2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[gmr548 16585]

25 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

As stupid as this is, I'm not sure Biden still doesn't win.  Dems haven't lost anything since Dobbs.

"Yeah, Biden is old but Trump wants to force my 14 year old daughter to have a baby."

The ~10%-15% of the electorate that are either legitimate swing or new voters are not Aristotle and Plato deliberately weighing the pros and cons of each candidate in thoughtful detail. They are relatively disengaged and/or new voters aging into the electorate and looking back on four years of, fair or not, Biden being the POTUS that presided over major inflation and a lot of the shitty things people said would happen under Trump happening anyway. People see that and feel like who they vote for doesn't matter.

22 minutes ago, immamac said:

What does a post 2024 win by Biden look like? That's the question that should be answered. 

I think it's actually a huge missed opportunity that leveraging the latest technology available isn't the core focus of these administrations. 

It looks like gridlock, a shitload of regulatory litigation in the wake of recent SCOTUS decisions, and Kamala Harris taking the oath of office by early 2026.

[Bateshorn 9928]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

This statement shows me you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what happened in 1968.

If you understood how/why Hubert Humphry became the Dem nominee, you might come away with a different conclusion.

This. LBJ chose not to run partially to help the party, but mostly because his ego couldn't handle losing to RFK. And then RFK was murdered. 

[Nicole44 22069]

“Parkinson’s doctor made 10 White House visits, logs show“

 

<<This may become an even worse shit show.>>
 

A neurologist and Parkinson’s disease specialist has made nearly a dozen visits to the White House Medical Unit, visitor logs show, raising new questions about President Biden’s fitness for office as he battles efforts to push him off the 2024 ballot.

Dr. Kevin R. Cannard, a Bethesda neurologist and movement disorder specialist affiliated with Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, visited the office of the White House Medical Unit ten times dating back to November 2022, the visitor logs show.

The logs, last updated on July 1, show Dr. Cannard visited the White House most recently on March 28.

[Pam Cummings 9646]

7 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

If the Dems don’t prevail Biden’s legacy may very well be that he handed the country right back to Trump. But that story hasn’t been written. Anything can happen.

I would have been shocked by Biden’s digging in if I had not heard from his biographer who was making the rounds on networks after the debate. He said no chance he steps down. And his inner circle is tight. His family WANTS him to run. If they did not he would be very conflicted. 

what I wonder is: will this create a legit third party? A middle of the road one? Will progressive Dems split with the moderate ones (who appear to have been in hiding like Liberals were in the 80’s and 90’s)? 

I don’t see anything other than Biden is running and the party will defend him and step behind him. 
 

sometimes I feel like there is this amazing mythical cabinet, that is full of these incredible candidates we will never get a chance to vote for and the powers that be open the doors showing us our wildest dreams and just pick out the two they want and when we say, “Well what about that?” And the powers that be say “nope. These are the two you get. Go vote.”

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CNN just said records show a Parkinson’s specialist met with Biden’s physician at the White House early 2024.

For what that is worth. There are things that can cause Parkinson-ism but none good for future of running the country next four years. 

Oh man. If only there wasn't a historical precedent for a sitting president who has had his health fail him nearly to the point of being incapacitated winning a re-election because people realize that even if he is old and soon to die, the ideas that he represents are far more reasonable than the alternative.

[G650 14270]

3 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

It looks like gridlock, a shitload of regulatory litigation in the wake of recent SCOTUS decisions, and Kamala Harris taking the oath of office by early 2026.

 

I'll sign up for that right now

[DixonHur 11342]

1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

This. LBJ chose not to run partially to help the party, but mostly because his ego couldn't handle losing to RFK. And then RFK was murdered. 

Yes, but I was more talking about how LBJ and the DNC worked behind closed doors to anoint Humbert Humphries, when the rank and file wanted one of the 2 other candidates.  

After HH was announced as the candidate, the convention center attendees literally started chanting "No, no, no".  IE the DNC put forth a candidate that the electorate didn't want.  

Sound familiar?

[C-Man 27235]

12 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

If the Dems don’t prevail Biden’s legacy may very well be that he handed the country right back to Trump. But that story hasn’t been written. Anything can happen.

I would have been shocked by Biden’s digging in if I had not heard from his biographer who was making the rounds on networks after the debate. He said no chance he steps down. And his inner circle is tight. His family WANTS him to run. If they did not he would be very conflicted. 

what I wonder is: will this create a legit third party? A middle of the road one? Will progressive Dems split with the moderate ones (who appear to have been in hiding like Liberals were in the 80’s and 90’s)? 

I don’t see anything other than Biden is running and the party will defend him and step behind him. 
 

sometimes I feel like there is this amazing mythical cabinet, that is full of these incredible candidates we will never get a chance to vote for and the powers that be open the doors showing us our wildest dreams and just pick out the two they want and when we say, “Well what about that?” And the powers that be say “nope. These are the two you get. Go vote.”

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CNN just said records show a Parkinson’s specialist met with Biden’s physician at the White House early 2024.

For what that is worth. There are things that can cause Parkinson-ism but none good for future of running the country next four years. 

I see a large headline at Drudge leading to a Washington Times report saying a Parkinson's doctor made 10 White House visits. The NYT has a story saying a neuro doctor made eight trips to the WH in eight months.

[gmr548 16585]

1 minute ago, G650 said:

 

I'll sign up for that right now

I mean so would I. I'm voting Biden, Harris, Carrot Top, whoever ends up the Democratic nominee. I am not in that small but decisive portion of the electorate.

[Bateshorn 9928]

Just now, Pam Cummings said:

Oh man. If only there wasn't a historical precedent for a sitting president who has had his health fail him nearly to the point of being incapacitated winning a re-election because people realize that even if he is old and soon to die, the ideas that he represents are far more reasonable than the alternative.

I realize you are a troll, but come on man:  We got the 25th Amendment (and possibly WW2) because of Woodrow and Edith Wilson's pigheaded-ness. 

[Nicole44 22069]

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

I see a large headline at Drudge leading to a Washington Times report saying a Parkinson's doctor made 10 White House visits. The NYT has a story saying a neuro doctor made eight trips to the WH in eight months.

The news is fluid. I typical wait for MSNBC to report something. But those logs were available to the public all this time were they not? 
 

I’m depressed about all of this quite frankly. 

[gmr548 16585]

5 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

“Parkinson’s doctor made 10 White House visits, logs show“

 

<<This may become an even worse shit show.>>
 

A neurologist and Parkinson’s disease specialist has made nearly a dozen visits to the White House Medical Unit, visitor logs show, raising new questions about President Biden’s fitness for office as he battles efforts to push him off the 2024 ballot.

Dr. Kevin R. Cannard, a Bethesda neurologist and movement disorder specialist affiliated with Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, visited the office of the White House Medical Unit ten times dating back to November 2022, the visitor logs show.

The logs, last updated on July 1, show Dr. Cannard visited the White House most recently on March 28.

 

That this is getting leaked and Biden is going on TV on short notice to trash the party establishment is illustrative of how dirty this is getting behind the scenes. This is a GOP talking point for the rest of the race if he stays in regardless of context.

[DixonHur 11342]

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

I see a large headline at Drudge leading to a Washington Times report saying a Parkinson's doctor made 10 White House visits. The NYT has a story saying a neuro doctor made eight trips to the WH in eight months.

Yes, but certain people here would rather stick with a candidate who ensures the Democrats have to play defense instead of prosecuting Trump.

[Nicole44 22069]

1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

That this is getting leaked and Biden is going on TV on short notice to trash the party establishment is illustrative of how dirty this is getting behind the scenes. This is a GOP talking point for the rest of the race if he stays in regardless of context.

The WH is about to have a briefing. “They” are going to strong arm him out is how it feels like. Whoever “they” is comprised of. 

[Incredulity 11678]

2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Biden is going on TV on short notice to trash the party establishment

where?

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

Carville backs the mini primary and wants Biden out:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/08/opinion/biden-democratic-nominee.html

Mark my words: Joe Biden is going to be out of the 2024 presidential race. Whether he is ready to admit it or not. His pleas on Monday to congressional Democrats for support will not unite the party behind him. Mr. Biden says he’s staying in the race, but it’s only a matter of time before Democratic pressure and public and private polling lead him to exit the race. The jig is up, and the sooner Mr. Biden and Democratic leaders accept this, the better. We need to move forward.

But it can’t be by anointing Vice President Kamala Harris or anyone else as the presumptive Democratic nominee. We’ve got to do it out in the open — the exact opposite of what Donald Trump wants us to do.

For the first time in his life, Mr. Trump is praying. To win the White House and increase his chances of avoiding an orange jumpsuit, he needs Democrats to make the wrong moves in the coming days — namely, to appear to rig the nomination for a fading president or the sitting vice president or some other heir apparent. He needs to be able to type ALL CAPS posts about power brokers and big donors putting the fix in. He needs, in other words, for Democrats to blow it.

We’re not going to do that.

We’re going to nominate a new ticket in a highly democratic and novel way, not in the backrooms of Washington, D.C., or Chicago.

 

 

We’re at the stage where we need constructive ideas for how to move forward. Representative Jim Clyburn and the Times Opinion columnist Ezra Klein have spoken about a Democratic “mini-primary,” and I want to build on that.

 

I want to see the Democratic Party hold four historic town halls between now and the Democratic National Convention in August — one each in the South, the Northeast, the Midwest and the West. We can recruit the two most obvious and qualified people in the world to facilitate substantive discussions: Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. They may not represent every faction under our party’s big tent. But they care as much about our democracy as our nation’s first president, they understand what it takes to be president, and they know how to win.

Town halls — high-stakes job interviews for the toughest job in the world — would surely attract television and cable partners and generate record numbers of viewers. Think the Super Bowl with Taylor Swift in the stands. The young, the old and everyone in between will tune in to see history being made in real time.

How will potential nominees be chosen to participate in the town halls? There is no answer here that will satisfy everyone, but hard choices must be made given the tight timetable, and I think leaning on the input of former presidents makes good sense. So I would advise Presidents 42 and 44 to select eight leading contenders out of the pool of those who choose to run, with Ms. Harris most definitely getting a well-earned invite.

I believe the vice president would be a formidable opponent to Mr. Trump. She has spent the last four years crisscrossing the country and the globe, serving the American people. She has a hell of a story — one that more people should know. She stood up for ordinary Americans against big banks. She locked up sex predators. You want the prosecutor or you want the criminal? Not the worst question to put to the American public this November.

Maybe Presidents 42 and 44 can make the candidate selection even more democratic by consulting the nation’s 23 Democratic governors in the town hall selection process. Governors deal in the practical, not the theoretical. But I’m not a details guy. I say we leave it up to 42 and 44.

To be clear, we have a lot more than eight Democrats who could beat the pants off Mr. Trump. But if we don’t limit the town halls to a manageable number of people we’ll get sound bites, not substance.

Town halls will give Americans a fresh look at Ms. Harris and introduce them to our deep bench of smart, dynamic, tested leaders. In addition, Democratic delegates will get to further grill and stress-test these leaders in public and private meetings before a formal vote of all the delegates at the Democratic convention.

A word about those delegates: I trust them to reach a majority decision at the convention after a public and substantive process like this one, and you should, too. Sure, we’ve got some folks on the fringes, God love ’em. But the overwhelming majority of Democratic delegates are pragmatic patriots. They work hard and care deeply about their communities and our country. They come from small towns and big cities and everywhere in between.

I’m not worried about our delegates. They’re in it to win it.

I’m not worried about our talent. We have a staggeringly talented new generation of leaders.

I’m not worried about the money. Americans will be fired up by this open process, and many are already fired up to beat Mr. Trump.

I’m not worried about time. We have excitement and momentum on our side.

And our opponent? The one born with a platinum spoon but no moral compass? The pathological liar? The convicted felon? The predator found liable for sexual abuse? The wannabe dictator? The Putin lickspittle?

I’m not worried about him, either.

It’s been an agonizing time for those of us who think President Biden more than earned a second term but isn’t going to win one. But now we’ve got to move on.

Although my friend Rahm Emanuel usually gets credit, I’ve heard more often that it’s Winston Churchill who is said to have advised, “never let a good crisis go to waste.” A super democratic process — the opposite of what Mr. Trump and his MAGA minions would do — is how we’re going to honor that wisdom in our own “will democracy prevail?” moment.

[Nicole44 22069]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

where?

I think @gmr548 meant that Biden was on Morning Joe or whatever this morning. I mean he could still run out to the podium in a few minutes when the WH has their presser/briefing. 

[gmr548 16585]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

where?

Getting desperate after your boys banned PornHub in TX?

[Incredulity 11678]

3 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Getting desperate after your boys banned PornHub in TX?

I was just trying to follow this thing and thought something was happening in real time.

I said previously if he made it to today he would be the candidate on election day.  That prediction is taking on water.  One thing I heard on talk radio this AM was that unlike historical political crisis this crisis doesn't stop happening.  Meaning time would distance others from their issue.  That's not happening here.

['stache 21825]

57 minutes ago, immamac said:

What does a post 2024 win by Biden look like? That's the question that should be answered. 

I think it's actually a huge missed opportunity that leveraging the latest technology available isn't the core focus of these administrations. 

Far fewer public appearances and a majority of the work being done by his very competent cabinet. Which is why this conversation is insane to me. Worst case scenario is that Biden dies or steps down and Kamala becomes president. Changing horse now just raises a whole new array of attacks. Like someone said above, nobody knows which direction would be best, and to me the default is you stick with what you have, especially if Kamala is the leader in the clubhouse for a replacement.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

1 minute ago, &#x27;stache said:

Far fewer public appearances

are we in to fractional public appearances then?

[Zonahorn 8079]

46 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Sure. But the people voting because of Dobbs are voting Democrat no matter what As are the staunchly anti-Trump crowd. Which makes nominating almost literally anyone else relatively low risk.

(telling you things I've already read you express) 

I don't think there's a 0% chance that Biden can win. I think there's a 0% change that he wins if the vote were held today. And I'm struggling to find the mechanisms available to him to change the narrative in his current condition.

The only shred of data suggesting this is media polling. 

[Nicole44 22069]

2 minutes ago, &#x27;stache said:

Far fewer public appearances and a majority of the work being done by his very competent cabinet. Which is why this conversation is insane to me. Worst case scenario is that Biden dies or steps down and Kamala becomes president. Changing horse now just raises a whole new array of attacks. Like someone said above, nobody knows which direction would be best, and to me the default is you stick with what you have, especially if Kamala is the leader in the clubhouse for a replacement.

I think “they” are going to strong arm him out. Push an open convention. How does axios get all this scoop that appears to be coming from fairly close to Biden’s inner circle? The smart play is as you describe or if he decided to step aside and back Kamala. But now it’s spun off on its own merit. Pandora’s Box has been opened. I’ve no doubt Dems will get it together for a united front in the fall but right now it feels like a shitshow. 

[chainsaw 9872]

27 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

The WH is about to have a briefing. “They” are going to strong arm him out is how it feels like. Whoever “they” is comprised of. 

Put me down as rooting for "them."

[chainsaw 9872]

I think it's hilarious for Delaware "Never met a credit card lobbyist I didn't like" Joe Biden is now trying to pass himself off as an anti-establishment candidate.

[Foosters 17858]

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

35 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

I realize you are a troll, but come on man:  We got the 25th Amendment (and possibly WW2) because of Woodrow and Edith Wilson's pigheaded-ness. 

december 7, 1941.  a date that will live in infamy.  the united states was suddenly and deliberately attacked by the naval and air forces of edith wilson. 

[immamac 42872]

6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I think it's hilarious for Delaware "Never met a credit card lobbyist I didn't like" Joe Biden is now trying to pass himself off as an anti-establishment candidate.

This could work though. 

[chainsaw 9872]

How sad is it that a one-termer with Parkinson's is objectively the most accomplished and best president of our lifetimes. Thanks for getting us out of covid, turning things around economically, and running the country properly. Now get the fuck out of the way.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

every day is a work day for the Best Since FDR! crowd.

[David Dennison 18938]

7 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

How sad is it that a one-termer with Parkinson's is objectively the most accomplished and best president of our lifetimes. Thanks for getting us out of covid, turning things around economically, and running the country properly. Now get the fuck out of the way.

['stache 21825]

17 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I think it's hilarious for Delaware "Never met a credit card lobbyist I didn't like" Joe Biden is now trying to pass himself off as an anti-establishment candidate.

And Hilary was too close to Wall Street, ergo, both sides. 

Biden has never even inferred that he's anti-establishment, to the contrary, it's why he's managed to maintain solid support from the corporate class. He has, however, come out stronger some on populist causes. I think it's both that (1) he's genuinely evolved on some issues, and (2) he's willing to take populist positions on issues where the majority of voters will support, or where he'll gain some support without losing more. Marijuana is a good example. It wasn't that long ago that he was still solidly against legalization, but now is working to have it rescheduled off of Class 1. I don't know if he genuinely has changed his opinion or if he's reading the tea leaves within his own party, but it really doesn't matter to me, it's the right decision both socially and politically, so he's done it. 

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The Question Is Not if Biden Should Step Aside. It’s How.

Feb. 10, 2024

 

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Joe Biden should not be running for re-election. That much was obvious well before the special prosecutor’s comments on the president’s memory lapses inspired a burst of age-related angst. And Democrats who are furious at the prosecutor have to sense that it will become only more obvious as we move deeper into an actual campaign.

What is less obvious is how Biden should get out of it.

Note that I did not say that Biden should not be the president. You can make a case that as obvious as his decline has been, whatever equilibrium his White House has worked out has thus far delivered results largely indistinguishable from (and sometimes better than) what one would expect from a replacement-level Democratic president.

If there has been a really big age effect in his presidency so far, I suspect it lies in the emboldenment of America’s rivals, a sense that a decrepit American chief executive is less to be feared than a more vigorous one. But suspicion isn’t proof, and when I look at how the Biden administration has actually handled its various foreign crises, I can imagine more disastrous outcomes from a more swaggering sort of president.

Saying that things have worked out OK throughout this stage of Biden’s decline, though, is very different from betting that they can continue working out OK for almost five long further years. And saying that Biden is capable of occupying the presidency for the next 11 months is quite different from saying that he’s capable of spending those months effectively campaigning for the right to occupy it again.

 

 

The impression the president gives in public is not senility so much as extreme frailty, like a lightbulb that still burns so long as you keep it on a dimmer. But to strain the simile a bit, the entire issue in a re-election campaign is not whether your filaments shed light; it’s whether voters should take this one opportunity to change out the bulb. Every flicker is evidence that a change is necessary, and if you force Biden into a normal campaign-season role, frequent flickering (if not a burning out) is what you’re going to get.

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Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume that Biden senses this, that he isn’t just entombed in egomania, but he feels trapped by his own terrible vice-presidential choice. If he drops out and anoints Kamala Harris, she’s even more likely to lose to Donald Trump. But if he drops out and doesn’t endorse his own number two, he’d be opening himself to a narrative of identitarian betrayal — aging white president knifes first woman-of-color veep — and setting his party up for months of bloodletting and betrayal, a constant churn of personal and ideological drama.

There is no easy escape from these dilemmas. But the best approach available to Biden is a distinctively old-fashioned one. He should accept the necessity of drama and bloodletting but also condense it all into the format that was originally designed for handling intraparty competition: the Democratic National Convention.

That would mean not dropping out today or tomorrow or any day when party primaries are still proceeding. Instead Biden would continue accumulating pledged delegates, continue touting the improving economic numbers, continue attacking Donald Trump — until August and the convention, when he would shock the world by announcing his withdrawal from the race, decline to issue any endorsement, and invite the convention delegates to choose his replacement.

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Pain would follow. But so would excitement and spectacle, the things that Biden himself seems too old to deliver. Meanwhile, any agony would be much briefer than in a long primary battle between Harris and Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer. The proximity of the general election would create stronger incentives for Harris or any other disappointed losers to accept a behind-the-scenes proffer and fall in line if the convention battle doesn’t go their way. And the format would encourage the party as institution, not the party as mass electorate, to do a party’s traditional job and choose the ticket with the most national appeal.

 

 

Would Trump and Republicans have a field day attacking Democratic insiders for pulling a fast one on the public? Sure, but if the chosen ticket was more popular and competent seeming, less shadowed by obvious old age, the number of relieved voters would surely outstrip the number of resentful ones.

This plan also has the advantage of being discardable if I’m completely wrong, Biden is actually vigorous on the campaign trail, and he’s ahead of Trump by five points by the time August rolls around. Like my past suggestion that Joe Manchin should run as a third-party candidate provisionally (also still a good idea!) to see how the Trump-Biden race shapes up, contemplating a convention bow-out gives Biden a way to be responsive to events — sticking it out if he really sees no other options, but keeping a path open for his country to escape a choice that right now seems like divine chastisement.

 

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I forgot that we were talking about this back in February.  This Op-Ed just said: stall until the convention then drop out and don't endorse anyone.

[Zonahorn 8079]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

What does a post 2024 win by Biden look like? That's the question that should be answered. 

I think it's actually a huge missed opportunity that leveraging the latest technology available isn't the core focus of these administrations. 

Codifying Roe V Wade, passing the John Lewis VRA, replacing Alito/Thomas, and possibly Sotomayor, with progressives, ending trickle down economics, deregulation, and tax cuts for the 1%, continued support for Ukraine and NATO, and continued transition to renewable energy and limiting global warming to 1.5-2ºC. In addition, Trump not getting re-elected means Alito/Thomas/Sotomayor don’t get replaced with disgusting, and regressive Federalist freaks, and 1,000 of the other nightmarish policies the Heritage Foundation cooks up don’t get made law. Finally, ensuring that Trump doesn’t install himself or the theocratic/anarchocapitalist/autocratic/neonazi criminals he surrounds himself with into power permanently. 

 

Anybody else can certainly chime in on something they feel like I missed.

Edited July 8 by Zonahorn

[immamac 42872]

1 minute ago, Zonahorn said:

Codifying Roe V Wade, passing the John Lewis VRA, replacing Alito/Roberts, and possibly Sotomayor, with progressives, ending trickle down economics, deregulation, and tax cuts for the 1%, continued support for Ukraine and NATO, and continued transition to renewable energy and limiting global warming to 1.5-2ºC. In addition, Trump not getting re-elected means Alito/Roberts/Sotomayor don’t get replaced with disgusting, and regressive Federalist freaks, and 1,000 of the other nightmarish policies the Heritage Foundation cooks up don’t get made law. Finally, ensuring that Trump doesn’t install himself or the theocratic/anarchocapitalist/autocratic/neonazi criminals he surrounds himself with into power permanently. 

 

Anybody else can certainly chime in on something they feel like I missed.

How will they replace lifetime appointed justices? 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

do you mean thomas?  roberts isn't on his way out. did he make some statement or something?

[NaTeWHO 852]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

It's a bad sign that Trump is actively trying to court the center by "softening" the platform. That tells me both campaigns have seen the data and moderates are back in play due to Biden's historically bad debate performance.

Drop Out, Joe.

 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2841]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Yeah, Biden is old but Trump wants to force my 14 year old daughter to have a baby."

Every time you say this, a puppy dies and Texas gets 1% more red.  

As they say, that 14-year old bit is a feature, not a bug.

[Zonahorn 8079]

11 minutes ago, immamac said:

How will they replace lifetime appointed justices? 

Thomas is 76, Alito is 74, and Sotomayor is 70. She’s also a diabetic.

[chainsaw 9872]

2 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

She’s also a diabetic.

What do the actuarial tables say about that

[Sbbruin 21865]

Unfortunately I don't see Dems winning the White House whether or not Joe stays in.  It seems like a lose/lose.

[chainsaw 9872]

1 minute ago, Sbbruin said:

Unfortunately I don't see Dems winning the White House whether or not Joe stays in.  It seems like a lose/lose.

I think their chances are solid if he drops out.

[Zonahorn 8079]

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[Dbeasy 15073]

5 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

I don't think that not supporting Biden = supporting Trump. But I think the only way Trump wins is if there is a very public discussion about Biden being old and senile. Which is fucking stupid. That's what they want. Don't fall for that shit.

 

Every news network on earth jumping on a guy because he stumbled in a "debate" where the 2 candidates argued about their golf scores for fucks sake. And not one outlet questions the sanity of Trump? It's all about Biden? GTFO.

Dude. It’s already happened. It’s all people are talking about. The damage has been done. You are in complete denial. 

5 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

The blame for all of this lies with the media. They are more concerned with money than being informative. They don't push back on bullshit. They allow a landscape to exist where people call Biden old and senile but Trump is perfectly fine. This is really their fault. I think that a lot needs to change in our media landscape for shit to go back to normal.

First of all, it’s absolutely NOT just the media. His own party, including Pelosi (!) has called him out. Why are you denying reality? And yes the media has been unfair. So what. It is what it is. Deal with it, by addressing the media concern. Because the Dems sure can’t message their way out of a bottle. And regarding your comment below, whine all you want, on the way to losing the election. 
 

4 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

If you were really that concerned about it you would be upset at our media. 

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1 hour ago, Mo Horn said:

Biden is doing exactly what 95% of politicians, athletes, or others in high profile visibility professionals, do. They just can't walk away. The power, limelight, and  stardom, feeds them and they don't want to / can't give that up. He, and many others, need to follow the example set by Barry Sanders. Know when to walk away. Sadly, in this case, it isn't just a football season that will be lost. 

It’s like the end of Last Crusade, when Indy is reaching for the Holy Grail. But instead of Sean Connery telling him to let it go, Biden has Hunter whispering in his ear to keep reaching for it. 

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Why only Latinos ?

 

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20 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

The Republican Parties’ platform ladies and gentlemen:

 

 

 

They should really lean on #20. That seems like a winning play to me.

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3 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Why only Latinos ?

 

CNN: here's a video of Biden mispronouncing a word. Is America in danger?

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2 hours ago, Captainant said:

You ever have to take the keys away from Grandpa or an elderly parent? It looks and feels quite a bit like this

Took away my father’s keys. Alzheimer’s. Worst day of my life.