2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[WhatTheBuck 28958]

6 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

 

 

Could’ve been worse.

[WhatTheBuck 28958]

6 hours ago, 'stache said:

More importantly, Kamala needs to be out there with him at most appearances and given significant mic time for those who are concerned about Biden. Of course, she has already that her appeal isn't all that strong, but it needs to be done, and she needs to do well, as much or moreso than Biden at this point.

Check out her appearance in Las Vegas today. It was strong.

[David Dennison 19574]

34 minutes ago, mdmost said:

It's just amazing that people could live through Covid under Trump and approve of his presidency. That's why we're screwed. I've been trying to say on here that people just seem to be fine omitting how big of a piece of shit he is and things he's done because I guess they really love how their finances were during that time. Perhaps that's all that matters and now stuff costs more, you have difficulty owning a home, and interest rates are shit so it's harder to borrow. Most of that is completely out of Biden's control but he's held to account for it. 

It's times like these when I wish people remembered the 70s.

[Bateshorn 9993]

19 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

This is me rn:

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c6194096-32c9-4fd9-b77d-9018a25d7b02#IeD0VyCD.copy

[Duane Moore 5781]

47 minutes ago, mdmost said:

It's just amazing that people could live through Covid under Trump and approve of his presidency. That's why we're screwed. I've been trying to say on here that people just seem to be fine omitting how big of a piece of shit he is and things he's done because I guess they really love how their finances were during that time. Perhaps that's all that matters and now stuff costs more, you have difficulty owning a home, and interest rates are shit so it's harder to borrow. Most of that is completely out of Biden's control but he's held to account for it. 

The election explained in one chart:

[mdmost 44228]

Yep. I said before in this thread that Jerome Powell was going to make or break Biden's chances. Interest rates aren't helping and Powell is being so cautious that the clock is ticking for a drop in the rate to have a real benefit. And that was before I had to worry about Biden looking feeble on a nationally televised debate. 

[Biff Tannen 46280]

27 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's times like these when I wish people remembered the 70s.

I wasn't alive.  Neither were the majority of current voters.  Millenials and Gen Z.

Edited July 10 by Biff Tannen

[Biff Tannen 46280]

17 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

This is me rn:

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c6194096-32c9-4fd9-b77d-9018a25d7b02#IeD0VyCD.copy

here

[SubliminalHorn 7014]

6 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Yeah, my text from the post got screwed up but this is a trend I’ve been seeing in polls lately. Voters have more favorable approval ratings of Trump’s term than Biden’s. We’ve never had an election where you can compare 4 years of one candidate versus the other’s 4 years, and the comparison is not going well for Biden. It showed up in that AARP poll of Wisconsin that came out today as well.

 

We. Are. Fucked

[Biff Tannen 46280]

2 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

We. Are. Fucked

Well, I'll probably be ok.  But anyone not white and male?  Yeaah, I'd be getting the fuck out.

[Red Five 41813]

It should probably be on every page of this thread, that the people who don't follow politics at all, favor Trump by +25. And that's a lot of people.  

[David Dennison 19574]

Just now, Red Five said:

It should probably be on every page of this thread, that the people who don't follow politics at all, favor Trump by +25. And that's a lot of people.  

But will they vote?

[Bullneck 19637]

Here's a thought:  Yes, Biden's debate was real-time worthy of immediate retirement.

 

But the debate is over.  Biden has gotten some sleep and over his jetlag.  We're still alive.

Maybe call it good and move on.   Just pretend it didn't happen and move on.  But make sure Kamala stays ready.  

 

 

[SubliminalHorn 7014]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Well, I'll probably be ok.  But anyone not white and male?  Yeaah, I'd be getting the fuck out.

Ok I. Am. Fucked 

[Bullneck 19637]

11 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

We. Are. Fucked

No we're not.  

Biden is staying in the race.  If he wins, no problem. 

If he loses the election he'll send Seal Team 6 to kidnap Trump and take him to Gitmo.  He'll be strapped to a chair in cell block D when Hunter walks in.  Sticking out of his pocket is a presidential pardon.  He takes the .45 out of the holster and pulls the mask down over Trump's head.  One shot rings out. 

(don't make fun of us RTF majors)

 

Edited July 10 by Bullneck

[Red Five 41813]

3 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Ok I. Am. Fucked 

The republican platform says that they will make all pornography illegal, and send those who make it to jail. Anything involving gay people at all will be considered pornography. 

[Js1 87351]

7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

But will they vote?

Yes, he’s up big among those who don’t follow politics and didn’t vote in 16/20. Getting them to show up is another story and they have zero ground game 

[Biff Tannen 46280]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yes, he’s up big among those who don’t follow politics and didn’t vote in 16/20. Getting them to show up is another story and they have zero ground game 

It's so fucking bizarre that he's this cultural icon for the dumbs.  They don't care about anything, they just want to be part of a club.  Or a cult, in this case.

[SubliminalHorn 7014]

5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

The republican platform says that they will make all pornography illegal, and send those who make it to jail. Anything involving gay people at all will be considered pornography. 

Are you trying to make my anxiety worse?

[Js1 87351]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

It's so fucking bizarre that he's this cultural icon for the dumbs.  They don't care about anything, they just want to be part of a club.  Or a cult, in this case.

The polling also keeps letting them through voter screens. They aren’t likely voters! I’d bet a decent chunk aren’t even registered. 

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

I hear a lot of the low information voters blaming Biden for inflation. They feel poorer or at least further behind financially than they thought they would be four years ago. 

[gmr548 16704]

8 hours ago, crash_davis said:

Dem politicians are weak as fuck. Trump has a mile long list of bullshit including being a convicted felon and rapist, and yet the Rep politicians are fully behind him. Biden has one bad reality TV episode and the Dem politicians are trying to OD on vagisil. 

The Dems are creating the illusion that Biden can't compete with Trump. It's going to be self fulfilling. Fucking dipshits.

I mean I think what demonstrates Democratic politicians are weak as fuck is that they were content to ignore concerns about Biden's age from the public and keep quiet about their own until the issue was forced; and then they failed to take a real stance with any resolve either way. Democrats don't need to be like Republicans and line up behind a cult leader. Everyone knows the GOP is party over country. That's a plus for 46% of the electorate who would gladly accept or even welcome fascism for various reasons. They need to present a well differentiated alternative.

8 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t think Dems can wrap their head around this, but the fact is that Trump won and is winning now *because* he’s terrible. You beat Trump with contrast, you lose with less terrible. 
2020 Joe was the decent human who will respect the law.

2024 Joe is the doddering figurehead who demands that you ignore your eyes and ears. 

This. Jon Stewart said it really well - this country is desperate for hope to latch onto, but it isn't there.

7 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Wait, are we allowed to believe that there will be elections in 2028 on the Doom Thread?

 

6 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Yeah, my text from the post got screwed up but this is a trend I’ve been seeing in polls lately. Voters have more favorable approval ratings of Trump’s term than Biden’s. We’ve never had an election where you can compare 4 years of one candidate versus the other’s 4 years, and the comparison is not going well for Biden. It showed up in that AARP poll of Wisconsin that came out today as well.

 

Presidents' approval ratings have always risen in hindsight but that is a hell of a case of collective amnesia if that's remotely accurate. Pretty much all ties into inflation though. I think the depths of COVID are honestly blacked out from public memory - we've chosen the suppress and don't talk about it method of processing trauma on that one.

[TexArcher 39080]

7 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

 

 

Yeah, this country is not fixable.

God damn.

 

[Biff Tannen 46280]

6 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

 

Yeah, this country is not fixable.

God damn.

 

180 degrees from reality.  Propaganda machine at full flex.

[David Dennison 19574]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

I wasn't alive.  Neither were the majority of current voters.  Millenials and Gen Z.

They should ask their parents and grandparents what real inflation and real high interest rates are like.

[Bullneck 19637]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

The republican platform says that they will make all pornography illegal, and send those who make it to jail. Anything involving gay people at all will be considered pornography. 

Except for stepmothers stuck in dryers, right?

Right?

[Chuckie Finster 23113]

Not great when the guy who conducted the interview that was supposed to save the campaign is telling strangers on the street that you can't last 4 more years.

 

 

[Aqua Buddha 14819]

Can anyone name one good reason that Biden should be the nominee at this point, especially if they downplayed Parkinson's or some other medical condition?  As an actual voter in the primary, that would piss me off.  I didn't have the chance to vote in a primary with multiple candidates because he lied about whatever was going on.

[aggie08 21864]

Just now, Aqua Buddha said:

Can anyone name one good reason that Biden should be the nominee at this point, especially if they downplayed Parkinson's or some other medical condition?  As an actual voter in the primary, that would piss me off.  I didn't have the chance to vote in a primary with multiple candidates because he lied about whatever was going on.

To add to this, can anyone paint me a picture of the hypothetical voter that's an absolute Biden lock today, July 9th, that won't vote for another Democrat if they emerge as the nominee by November 5th? I don't need polls or numbers; someone just give me an anecdote of one single person* that they think might fit that description. 

*members of the Biden family don't count

[Biff Tannen 46280]

9 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

To add to this, can anyone paint me a picture of the hypothetical voter that's an absolute Biden lock today, July 9th, that won't vote for another Democrat if they emerge as the nominee by November 5th? I don't need polls or numbers; someone just give me an anecdote of one single person* that they think might fit that description. 

*members of the Biden family don't count

This is actually the best point. I don’t even think members of his own campaign would hold their vote if it was someone else. 

[Bateshorn 9993]

I realize this isn’t helping things for our collective psyche , but I’ve had two professional calls TODAY with clients where we are discussing the Biden administration in past tense. Like lame duck past tense. And not with wingnuts.

 I’m not the only person. This is occurring all over town. 

Edited July 10 by Bateshorn

[Aqua Buddha 14819]

10 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

I realize this isn’t helping things for our collective psyche , but I’ve had two professional calls TODAY with clients where we are discussing the Biden administration in past tense. Like lame duck past tense. And not with wingnuts.

 I’m not the only person. This is occurring all over town. 

By past tense you mean he's done immediately or he'll play out the game and lose in November?

[Aqua Buddha 14819]

21 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

To add to this, can anyone paint me a picture of the hypothetical voter that's an absolute Biden lock today, July 9th, that won't vote for another Democrat if they emerge as the nominee by November 5th? I don't need polls or numbers; someone just give me an anecdote of one single person* that they think might fit that description. 

*members of the Biden family don't count

There is literally zero downside to dumping him.  The only downside is you hurt the feelings of the Biden family.

[DixonHur 11971]

39 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Not great when the guy who conducted the interview that was supposed to save the campaign is telling strangers on the street that you can't last 4 more years.

 

 

Right now the majority of us are faced with a Hobson's Choice in this election.

[Bateshorn 9993]

6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

By past tense you mean he's done immediately or he'll play out the game and lose in November?

Latter. 
 

Too soon to have the Kamala/Gretch/Newsom discussion. 

[YGIFS 19460]

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Right now the majority of us are faced with a Hobson's Choice in this election.

I thought Hobson chose to encourage Arthur to vote for Linda Marolla out of love instead of the safe choice, Susan Johnson.  

Dammit, I'm going to take a bath.  At least we'll carry Rhode Island.  

 

[David Dennison 19574]

7 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

There is literally zero downside to dumping him.  The only downside is you hurt the feelings of the Biden family.

There's a pretty big downside to dumping him if he doesn't want to go.

 

[Pato del Muerto 53635]

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

It should probably be on every page of this thread, that the people who don't follow politics at all, favor Trump by +25. And that's a lot of people.  

If they actually didn’t follow politics, it should be more of a coin flip than that. 

[Aqua Buddha 14819]

13 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

There's a pretty big downside to dumping him if he doesn't want to go.

 

Which is...?

[David Dennison 19574]

Just now, Aqua Buddha said:

Which is...?

Out in the open intra-party fighting. He and his supporters will not go quietly. And then you have the jockeying to be his successor.

It will be a complete cluster fuck and wonderfully entertaining. But also sad and scary.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Not great when the guy who conducted the interview that was supposed to save the campaign is telling strangers on the street that you can't last 4 more years.

 

 

Oof.  

[mdmost 44228]

He has to be willing to go for this to not become a complete cluster fuck. Instead, he's going to be stubborn, like an old person, and not listen to everyone telling him that he's no longer up to the task. Anyone who has dealt with an elderly relative knows how those conversations tend to go. We can only hope the sense of resignation hits him before it's all too late. It would've been better for everyone if this happened at the State of the Union instead of all us seeing it as Fool's Gold. 

Everyone in the Executive Branch needs to be looking at how best to foil what Trump plans to do when he's elected. Put as many roadblocks as you can right now if it's an option. We better pray the Democrats keep the Senate and gain some seats in the House. That's our only path to keeping this country from slipping away. 

Edited July 10 by mdmost

[Snake Diggity 4766]

I don’t think there are any Biden supporters.  There’s nobody out there who is staying home or switching their vote to Trump if Biden drops out.  Certainly there are voters who could get affected depending on who the replacement is, and whoever replaced Biden on the ticket could have an impact on turnout of the other side.  So making a change is not without risk.  But I think the main thing driving the movement to support him is politicians not wanting to set the precedent of replacing people when they show signs of decline and potentially circumventing the electoral process.  To me that’s all bullshit.  The dude is decrepit.  Fucking replace him with the person who can garner the most support over the next couple of months and beat Trump.  Because at this point Biden has no chance of beating Trump and even if he does, he’s his own national security risk as long as he’s in office.

[David Dennison 19574]

6 minutes ago, mdmost said:

He has to be willing to go for this to not become a complete cluster fuck. Instead, he's going to be stubborn, like an old person, and not listen to everyone telling him that he's no longer up to the task. Anyone who has dealt with an elderly relative knows how those conversations tend to go. We can only hope the sense of resignation hits him before it's all too late. It would've been better for everyone if this happened at the State of the Union instead of all us seeing it as Fool's Gold. 

It's not just that he's old. He's also the President of the United States, so he enjoys all of the power and privileges that come with the office. Moreover, it's not everyone telling him he's no longer up to the task. Plenty of people in his circle are telling him just the opposite and encouraging him to stay in the race. 

 

Edited July 10 by David Dennison

[bolverk 30400]

12 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Which is...?

Have you ever watched GoT?

If so, picture DC as King's Landing after Robert Barratheon dies, and all the various factions within the Democratic Party as the different houses vying for the throne. Now picture Trump as the Night King and MAGA as the white walkers.

[Aqua Buddha 14819]

13 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Out in the open intra-party fighting. He and his supporters will not go quietly. And then you have the jockeying to be his successor.

It will be a complete cluster fuck and wonderfully entertaining. But also sad and scary.

You have that now and he has no real supporters.

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's not just that he's old. He's also the President of the United States, so he enjoys all of the power and privileges that come with the office. Moreover, it's not everyone telling him he's no longer up to the task. Plenty of people in his circle are telling him just the opposite and encouraging him to stay in the race. 

 

His inner circle is his crack head son.

[David Dennison 19574]

1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

You have that now and he has no real supporters.

His inner circle is his crack head son.

He has the support of leadership and progressives. Only a handful of Democrats are on record that he should drop out.

And while his inner circle certainly includes, Hunter, it's much larger than that and probably includes most of the WH staff. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Yeah.  It’s his crack head son, and others. 

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Even if you say the Presidency is likely lost at this point with Biden or a replacement I wonder how it would impact the House and Senate- Biden vs no Biden.

Dem leadership (lol) seems to think Biden should stay in even after looking at the terrible poll numbers lately. Weird.

[DixonHur 11971]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

I thought Hobson chose to encourage Arthur to vote for Linda Marolla out of love instead of the safe choice, Susan Johnson.  

Dammit, I'm going to take a bath.  At least we'll carry Rhode Island.