2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13317]

49 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Let me guess, CowTown isn’t going to come back and list REAL reasons that Biden has been a bad president 

It’s always reasons that can be measured. 

[Bozo_Casanova 25903]

10 hours ago, CowtownHorn said:

I spent the majority of my young adulthood in the military, so I tend to look at things from that perspective.

Do you? Really? Sorry I just have to come back to this. You spent your young adulthood in the military so you look at things from that perspective. Great. You know who else did that? Beau Biden, who probably died from brain cancer because he was manning burn pits overseas like people I’m sure you know. So his father, your president, mourns his death, just like your parents would if you didn’t make it back or died as a result of your service. 

And YET- for some reason involving vague  feelings  you would vote for a man who not only dodged the draft when his country called but mocked parents who mourn fallen soldiers and fallen soldiers themselves. Come on man. Raise your standards. We aren’t safer when the president is weak in the face of our adversaries or sells us out to foreign powers for personal gain and he sure as shit doesn’t care about you. Donald Trump mans America weaker and less safe. And if you believe otherwise that’s sad, because he would sell you straight down the river. 

Edited February 23 by Bozo_Casanova

[HenryJames 65564]

[AnTiM 1634]

9 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Let me guess, CowTown isn’t going to come back and list REAL reasons that Biden has been a bad president 

Reminds me of the last time I spoke to a guy I had considered a friend until he said he knew donald JAIL trump was a crook but was still a better president than Biden.  Adios, mfer.

[hookem2010 2554]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Incels upset they aren't getting any, and think if they aren't, nobody should.

[Neonmoon 38126]

3 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

Incels upset they aren't getting any, and think if they aren't, nobody should.

They want to force women to fuck them. It’s about control 

[RomaVicta 29589]

15 hours ago, YGIFS said:

You see the aggregation of your ignorance as validation. 

[Chuckie Finster 22342]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

Worth noting that Rufo is THE guy that created the CRT panic, has been a consistent voice against the LGBTQ agenda, and he was the leader of the online mob against the former Harvard president.  It's easy to dismiss him as a lunatic, but this lunatic is seemingly at the forefront of Republican messaging over the last few years.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13485]

1 hour ago, hookem2010 said:

Incels upset they aren't getting any, and think if they aren't, nobody should.

It's the GOP in a nutshell-

I'm unhappy. Should I reevaluate my decisions, habits and beliefs that possibly are playing a role?

No, I should invest my time and energy making others around me unhappy!

[Bozo_Casanova 25903]

@CowtownHorn I would like to apologize to you for the tone of my posts above.

What I was trying to convey in the moment was that I am very concerned about the future of the Republic - particularly the samwe things you care about: our standing in the world, our national security, and the rule of law. And while I am essentially an anti-partisan (although I am mostly a Democrat voter), and I am also concerned about Biden's age and fading abilities as many are, those are minor issues in comparison to the risks to our national future if President Trump returns to office. Should he be elected I see America being weakened and corrupted beyond redemption - a society where the sacrifice of soldiers means nothing other than the cost of power, and public cowardice, cruelty and dishonesty are elevated to manly virtues. 
In essence I was trying to say that President Trump doesn't care about you, or this country, or what makes this country worth saving, and it makes me sad that you have put your faith in him. That said, in the light of day it reads as anger and personal derision directed at you, and for that I am sorry. 

Edited February 23 by Bozo_Casanova

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18508]

21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

@CowtownHorn I would like to apologize to you for the tone of my posts above.

What I was trying to convey in the moment was that I am very concerned about the future of the Republic - particularly the samwe things you care about: our standing in the world, our national security, and the rule of law. And while I am essentially an anti-partisan (although I am mostly a Democrat voter), and I am also concerned about Biden's age and fading abilities as many are, those are minor issues in comparison to the risks to our national future if President Trump returns to office. Should he be elected I see America being weakened and corrupted beyond redemption - a society where the sacrifice of soldiers means nothing other than the cost of power, and public cowardice, cruelty and dishonesty are elevated to manly virtues. 
In essence I was trying to say that President Trump doesn't care about you, or this country, or what makes this country worth saving, and it makes me sad that you have put your faith in him. That said, in the light of day it reads as anger and personal derision directed at you, and for that I am sorry. 

Fuck that.  There are a lot of people in this country who are brainwashed.  And ANYONE that thinks this country was in better shape or more secure under Russian Agent Trump than under Biden is fucking delusional and deserves zero apologies from you and quite frankly, deserves a massive amount of derision and scorn.  These people cannot be reasoned with. 

Edited February 23 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[South Austin 51681]

8 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Fuck that.  There are a lot of people in this country who are brainwashed.  And ANYONE that thinks this country was in better shape or more secure under Russian Agent Trump than under Biden is fucking delusional and deserves zero apologies from you and quite frankly, deserves a massive amount of derision and scorn.  These people cannot be reasoned with. 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1548]

the main point 

[tx 3 putt 75536]

The Biden staff should have this political genius on retainer, pumping out ideas ..

 

 

[Chuckie Finster 22342]

Wild story, but the main takeaway is that the same guys behind Kanye's stupid campaign are working with Dean Phillips.  Explains a lot.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/biden-robocall-new-hampshire-strategist-rcna139760

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NEW ORLEANS — A Democratic consultant who worked for a rival presidential campaign paid a New Orleans magician to use artificial intelligence to impersonate President Joe Biden for a robocall that is now at the center of a multistate law enforcement investigation, according to text messages, call logs and Venmo transactions the creator shared with NBC News.

Paul Carpenter says he was hired in January by Steve Kramer — who has worked on ballot access for Democratic presidential candidate Dean Phillips — to use AI software to make the imitation of Biden’s voice urging New Hampshire Democrats not to vote in the state’s presidential primary. 

 

[Neonmoon 38126]

"Democratic" presidential candidate Dean Phillips

Right.....

[Bozo_Casanova 25903]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

"Democratic" presidential candidate Dean Phillips

Right.....

“See, what had happened was …”

[David Dennison 17800]

 

[TexEx15 17328]

So many places to put this so this seems as good as any.

[Kel Varnsen 8327]

[tx 3 putt 75536]

The plan is ready to go …..

 

[YGIFS 19445]

But as @LHorn has wisely inquired, what if they come by balloon?  

[mdmost 42490]

I really want them to follow up with this guy after Trump gets back into the White House and let's see how well Palestinians and Muslims are doing after Trump takes over again. You think Israel is doing some heinous shit now in Gaza, just wait. 

 

[hobbes2702 12535]

On 2/22/2024 at 8:18 PM, SubliminalHorn said:

Let me guess, CowTown isn’t going to come back and list REAL reasons that Biden has been a bad president 

Too much toxicity 

[6th Street 6299]

32 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I really want them to follow up with this guy after Trump gets back into the White House and let's see how well Palestinians and Muslims are doing after Trump takes over again. You think Israel is doing some heinous shit now in Gaza, just wait. 

 

What a dumbass

[Js1 83626]

1 minute ago, 6th Street said:

What a dumbass

Trump will nuke Palestine into glass and laugh about the dead brown people. But man did the Arab voters own Biden! 

[SubliminalHorn 6403]

9 hours ago, mdmost said:

I really want them to follow up with this guy after Trump gets back into the White House and let's see how well Palestinians and Muslims are doing after Trump takes over again. You think Israel is doing some heinous shit now in Gaza, just wait. 

 

So breathtakingly stupid

[washparkhorn 9919]

I did my part here in the Piedmont region and voted for Nikki Haley. Open primary here. No reason to waste my vote in an uncontested Democratic Party primary. If it was a closed primary, I would have registered as a Republican. 

Your mileage may vary, but something to consider. Make your voice count for something. 

[YGIFS 19445]

There are a number of students speaking out on campus polling locations last week in support of either Jill Stein or Congressman Dean and to vote for them over Biden.  Doesn’t make a difference in the primary but if they’re this passionate now, I imagine in November they’ll break against Biden at campuses all over this country. Not quite as stupid going for Trump to end Gaza hostilities but pretty fucking close.  

[Js1 83626]

52 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

in support of either Jill Stei

Idiots never fucking learn. Russian stooge 

[Chuckie Finster 22342]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

There are a number of students speaking out on campus polling locations last week in support of either Jill Stein or Congressman Dean and to vote for them over Biden.  Doesn’t make a difference in the primary but if they’re this passionate now, I imagine in November they’ll break against Biden at campuses all over this country. Not quite as stupid going for Trump to end Gaza hostilities but pretty fucking close.  

The thing about these people is that 95% of them will never vote for the Democratic Party, but need to come up with a new reason every 4 years.  2016 was Bernie, 2020 was Tara Reade, 2024 is Gaza.  These aren't lost votes, they’re just people that know who to bitch to in order to get attention. They get way too much attention for a group that is inconsequential.

[David Dennison 17800]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

There are a number of students speaking out on campus polling locations last week in support of either Jill Stein or Congressman Dean and to vote for them over Biden.  Doesn’t make a difference in the primary but if they’re this passionate now, I imagine in November they’ll break against Biden at campuses all over this country. Not quite as stupid going for Trump to end Gaza hostilities but pretty fucking close.  

What do you do about this level of political ignorance?

Edited February 24 by David Dennison

[YGIFS 19445]

Call either Frank Johnson or Gary Stallone?

 

but in all seriousness, a lot of this among 18-30yo voters is being stoked with regard to Gaza by Charlie Kirk and Turning Point.  It’s what he predicted to me 10+ years ago.  And it’s working.  To what degree, we don’t know yet.  Say what you want about the big headed, tiny-faced dickhead.  He had a very specific blueprint for shifting young voters.  He put together the money and is executing on that plan.  And it may just actually make a difference this Autumn.  

[David Dennison 17800]

19 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Call either Frank Johnson or Gary Stallone?

but in all seriousness, a lot of this among 18-30yo voters is being stoked with regard to Gaza by Charlie Kirk and Turning Point.  It’s what he predicted to me 10+ years ago.  And it’s working.  To what degree, we don’t know yet.  Say what you want about the big headed, tiny-faced dickhead.  He had a very specific blueprint for shifting young voters.  He put together the money and is executing on that plan.  And it may just actually make a difference this Autumn.  

If it works on left leaning voters, it's working because they have a fundamental misunderstanding of how American politics works.

[6th Street 6299]

2 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

I did my part here in the Piedmont region and voted for Nikki Haley. Open primary here. No reason to waste my vote in an uncontested Democratic Party primary. If it was a closed primary, I would have registered as a Republican. 

Your mileage may vary, but something to consider. Make your voice count for something. 

I did the same here in CO. No need to be registered R 

[YGIFS 19445]

51 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

If it works on left leaning voters, it's working because they have a fundamental misunderstanding of how American politics works.

Yeah, we would do well to remember that even though the batshit, ignorant, borderline insane MAGA voters don't know jackshit about Democracy and the 3 Branches and the Constitution for the most part.  There is also a not-for-nothing contingent of young far-leftists that don't know all that fucking much either.  It's a lesser number but it's worth noting and paying attention to for disruption purposes.  

[tokamak 6324]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

What do you do about this level of political ignorance?

Well the Republican response to basically the same situation has been to let Jill Stein take over the entire party. 

Edited February 24 by tokamak

[tx 3 putt 75536]

The ads write themselves ….

 

[StassneyHorn 6446]

Mike Lindell urging everyone at CPAC to wait til Election Day to vote is a gift that keeps giving

[BamaATL 16252]

Just now, StassneyHorn said:

Mike Lindell urging everyone at CPAC to wait til Election Day to vote is a gift that keeps giving

Let us have have an earthquake, hurricane, blizzard and wild fires on all election day.  

[StassneyHorn 6446]

Or we all just go the Woodlands, after we’ve already voted, get in line and suddenly forget where we are, what we are doing, how we got there, and take our time figuring that out in the voting booth for an hour

[chainsaw 9668]

13 hours ago, Js1 said:

Trump will nuke Palestine into glass and laugh about the dead brown people. But man did the Arab voters own Biden! 

I agree. Good thing I don't live in Michigan otherwise I would have to vote for Biden.

At the same time I want to be fair and direct my criticism where it could actually make a difference.

Two observations.

First, if you're blaming or debating the voters about their choices, you're losing.

Second, if you are losing, the blame rests with you if you cannot provide a coherent, factual response to the following simple question from a voter:

Can you make the case for why your candidate deserves my vote without alluding to their opponent?

[David Dennison 17800]

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Can you make the case for why your candidate deserves my vote without alluding to their opponent?

Of course you can, but why would you?

[chainsaw 9668]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Of course you can, but why would you?

Because if you've made it to this part of the exam, (1) you're losing and (2) we want to determine who is at fault for your loss.

[Js1 83626]

I have no idea what you’re trying to say 

[David Dennison 17800]

Just now, chainsaw said:

Because if you've made it to this part of the exam, (1) you're losing and (2) we want to determine who is at fault for your loss.

Unless you win.

['stache 21590]

Requiring a candidate to align 100% with all of your opinions is just an excuse to not participate. Elections have always been about comparisons between candidates. I support much of what Biden is doing. There’s not a single thing today’s gop platform that I support. It’s easy these days to decide.

[YGIFS 19445]

Uh, would this be a weird time to point out that Stephen Moore put in his 12-month notice to receive his Medicare A&B coverage?  That thing 64yo folks do in anticipation of their benefits?  

[Underdog 28231]

28 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Let us have have an earthquake, hurricane, blizzard and wild fires on all election day.  

[chainsaw 9668]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Unless you win.

Right, but someone above was shaking their fist at Michigan voters if we end up with another Trump term. In that scenario, Biden lost and the implication is that the voter is stupid.

That might feel good, but it's not useful or productive.

I'm more interested in preventing this scenario, which means we should ask ourselves whether Biden is in a position to change things.

It's clear to me that the reason why he's losing support in Michigan and elsewhere is: Biden's inability to make the standalone, Trump-less case for voters to vote for him. It's basic math, really. The number of voters who support Biden (a positive number) or oppose Trump (another positive number) is always going to be greater than the number of voters who oppose Trump (a positive number with a lot of overlap but not 100 percent overlap with the Biden supporters).

If you're upset at voters who refuse to do anything to support Biden, because they don't see the world the way you see it, I agree with you. But we're not in a position to change stupid. Stupidity is a given and has been with us since time immemorial and will remain with us until the heat death of the universe.

That's why I say it's not useful or productive to try and change that. You won't change that ever, and certainly not in a matter of months.

Once you accept that stupidity is an immutable truth about the electorate, you'll be in a better position to appreciate why I'd much rather focus on the things that could be changed in a few months: Biden's campaign strategy.

That means growing the number of people who support Biden. That means finding coherent, factual answers for why Biden deserves your vote (other than Trump Bad™)