2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Ghost of LL 15699]

I have to tell you--I'm not too worried about all this Muslim talk for two reasons:

1) For the same reason I'm not particularly happy about these exit polls that show a bunch of Haley voters say they're not voting for Trump in November, I'm not too worried about this.  The primaries are the time to register protest votes when you've got incumbents seeking re-nomination.  Now sometimes, those protests are large enough that they signal real problems in November (see, e.g., Buchanan in 1992; Kennedy in 1980).  And maybe Haley is large enough that she falls into that category.  But we haven't seen that with Biden.

For right now, those are just protest votes in a primary.  That's a real benefit to an incumbent; it lets dissatisfied partisans blow off steam.  There'll be plenty of time between March and November for those dissatisfied partisans to reframe the question in their minds as one between two choices (in which one choice is plainly preferable over the other).

2) It's fucking Michigan.  Even outside the Arab-Muslim population, Michigan is a disaster for the GQP right now.  The state party is in a shambles.  They hold no statewide offices.  They are too busy fighting over election denialsism to actually campaign for votes.

I'd be a lot more worried if Dearborn were in Wisconsin.  But happily, it's not.  It's in Michigan.  And Michigan is fucking blue.

[Longhorn94 2501]

3 hours ago, Foosters said:

how did they find ways to undermine Trump's ban on Muslims entering the country the first time? Snuck through the border?

if they can find ways to undermine Trump, why cant they find ways to undermine Biden?

[Js1 87214]

After watching last week’s Masters of the Air, I was basically shaking with rage at the thought of Trump winning again. The aftermath of another Trump term will make Nuremberg look like a tea party 

[atomheartbevo 90663]

4 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

I'd be a lot more worried if Dearborn were in Wisconsin.  But happily, it's not.  It's in Michigan.  And Michigan is fucking blue.

I’d be a lot more worried if this was September instead of February.  
 

[David Dennison 19560]

3 hours ago, Js1 said:

After watching last week’s Masters of the Air, I was basically shaking with rage at the thought of Trump winning again. The aftermath of another Trump term will make Nuremberg look like a tea party 

Do you really believe that? I mean really?

[Js1 87214]

8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Do you really believe that? I mean really?

You don’t think Stephen Miller is going to go full on “round up the Jews and Muslims and gays” and commit massive atrocities?

This feels like another 2016 “oh it won’t be that bad, yall are just exaggerating”

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

We will not have Paul Ryan to tell us, “He’s new at this!”

 

[cactusflinthead 27628]

56 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Do you really believe that? I mean really?

Miller is talking about it casually. They aren't distancing from literally ROUNDING UP PEOPLE. 

So yeah it's that fucking serious. 

[Slacks 7066]

7 hours ago, mdmost said:

Because Presidential politics is all about winning specific states now. Blue states are firmly blue. Red states are firmly red. Florida used to be the key state to win. It cost Gore the election in 2000. It, like Texas, will be red for the rest of our lives. So now the former Rust Belt holds most of the cards. Michigan and Pennsylvania will decide Trump or Biden. Ohio is a lost cause, it will stay red. So, yeah it's a problem if 100,000 Muslims in Michigan who voted for Biden in 2020 decide to sit out if he doesn't win the states he won in 2000. 

The states that decided the last election were Nevada, Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. You want to switch to a winner take all popular vote, I'm for it. 

You described exactly what I was asking. But didn't answer why the assignment is (falsely) put on a group that doesn't really have the numbers to move the needle.

[Slacks 7066]

7 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

 

Michigan 2020 saw Biden win Michigan by 154,188 votes. 

So if ANY community with 100K is voting Republican, Democrat, or NOT voting at all, it will influence the election. 

As to why Muslims are singled out as opposed to the 100K WASPs. You are probably thinking why don't people say "fuck those 100K WASPs for not voting for Biden" as opposed to assigning blame to the Muslims. The difference is the 100K WASPs are in the majority, and nothing bad will happen to them when the Leopard eats their faces. Yes, fuck them for not voting for Biden, sure, we all agree, but the Leopard isn't going to eat their face. The Leopard is definitely going to eat the Muslim faces. The Leopard will not only ban them from entering the country, he will ask Israel to kill all of them in the Middle East. He might even try to revoke their citizenship in the US, because he's a Leopard and that's what Leopards do. The 100K WASPs won't face any of those consequences, so while the WASPs do suck, and should face consternation for fucking us all over, logically, it deserves less consternation as they will face less consequences. 

 

 

154 - 100  due not change the outcome, other than make it closer. This illustrates my point.

Your last paragraph is probably where it's at...  "You People better do what's best for you, because we don't have to worry about it. If things don't go your way, don't blame us."

Everyone should be concerned about face eating... I guess you can fake it when they come to eat your face.

[Rimbo 27053]

1 minute ago, Slacks said:

154 - 100  due not change the outcome, other than make it closer. This illustrates my point.

Your last paragraph is probably where it's at...  "You People better do what's best for you, because we don't have to worry about it. If things don't go your way, don't blame us."

Everyone should be concerned about face eating... I guess you can fake it when they come to eat your face.

Did you see the post two posts above yours? If Trump wins, they're coming after everybody, not just the Muslims.

[mdmost 44078]

9 hours ago, Slacks said:

You described exactly what I was asking. But didn't answer why the assignment is (falsely) put on a group that doesn't really have the numbers to move the needle.

Well that group is stating they have enough sway as a voting block to cost Joe Biden the entire state of Michigan because they're so angry over Gaza so.....

Perhaps you missed the time Bernie Bros not voting for HIllary were blamed for her losing to Trump. That was mostly white dudes.

Edited February 27 by mdmost

[Nice Guy Eddie 13740]

12 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

Miller is talking about it casually. They aren't distancing from literally ROUNDING UP PEOPLE. 

So yeah it's that fucking serious. 

Scary when they talk about using their elected/confirmed powers to defeat evil.  

I'm sure we all agree that we don't want evil in our lives or in the world but they're defining evil in their own terms when less than half of America agrees with them. And I don't want Dems defining and defeating evil either.

[Chuckie Finster 23092]

 

"It's about how old your ideas are" is genuinely a fantastic rebuttal.  

[Red Five 41758]

More like 90 years, and on a different continent. 

A lot of people hear that and go "hell yeah!". 

[cactusflinthead 27628]

28 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

defeating evil either.

I remember when it was ok to call Nazis evil and define them in those terms. 

[4th&Five 42011]

OMG keep him in the basement! He can barely speak!!!!

[Js1 87214]

4 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

OMG keep him in the basement! He can barely speak!!!!

Duh, you dumb libtard, it’s the body double they put out there so people don’t know that Joseph R Biden Jr actually died in 2017

[Red Five 41758]

I've had more than one person tell me that he is incapable of conducting interviews like that. "It's why you've never seen it before!"

[YGIFS 19458]

Have you ever seen James Woods and Joe Biden appear on the Tonight Show at the same time?  I haven’t.  

[Doc Sam Beckett 5908]

6 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

OMG keep him in the basement! He can barely speak!!!!

Lol yeah. He *looks* old as fuck, but he sounds good and delivers important messages. Absolutely stunning watching this, then watching the clip of Donald with Hannity spewing verbal diarrhea about criming. Media: That's just Donald riffing! 

[texasdago 7771]

2 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Lol yeah. He *looks* old as fuck, but he sounds good and delivers important messages. Absolutely stunning watching this, then watching the clip of Donald with Hannity spewing verbal diarrhea about criming. Media: That's just Donald riffing! 

How someone can choose between a good man trying to do the right thing for people vs one spitting hate and talking about rounding people up is baffling... then again, Germany.

[tokamak 6687]

Random conspiracy theory thought from this morning: I wonder if Bibi is dragging his feet on a cease fire because it hurts Biden politically. I mean, obviously Bibi doesn't want a cease fire for a whole lot of reasons, but feels like that motivation could be in the mix there, too.

[Red Five 41758]

8 minutes ago, texasdago said:

How someone can choose between a good man trying to do the right thing for people vs one spitting hate and talking about rounding people up is baffling... then again, Germany.

"All politicians suck. At least Trump is honest. Sure he has his legal issues but those are all bullshit. They're just out to get him."  

[Hookah Horns 3089]

21 hours ago, mdmost said:

Because Presidential politics is all about winning specific states now. Blue states are firmly blue. Red states are firmly red. Florida used to be the key state to win. It cost Gore the election in 2000. It, like Texas, will be red for the rest of our lives. So now the former Rust Belt holds most of the cards. Michigan and Pennsylvania will decide Trump or Biden. Ohio is a lost cause, it will stay red. So, yeah it's a problem if 100,000 Muslims in Michigan who voted for Biden in 2020 decide to sit out if he doesn't win the states he won in 2000. 

The states that decided the last election were Nevada, Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. You want to switch to a winner take all popular vote, I'm for it. 

Last week I heard an interview with Peter Zeihan where he predicted that Trump will win neither Texas or Florida. Probably just a fantasy, but it's a glorious one. I'm ready to get hurt again. 

[mdmost 44078]

Not a chance in hell would Texas go for Biden given Abbott's approval numbers. Florida is more likely but they seem to have the same phenomenon that Texas has of only red state assholes seem to be moving there. 

Edited February 27 by mdmost

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

As if we needed more confirmation that the dude is an entertainer. 

[DaysOff 8212]

Swifties Unite!

[Red Five 41758]

4 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

Last week I heard an interview with Peter Zeihan where he predicted that Trump will win neither Texas or Florida. Probably just a fantasy, but it's a glorious one. I'm ready to get hurt again. 

Is he predicting that he will be dead by November? 

[mdmost 44078]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Is he predicting that he will be dead by November? 

Trump's corpse would win Texas. 

[aggie08 21839]

4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Not a chance in hell would Texas go for Biden given Abbott's approval numbers. Florida is more likely but they seem to have the same phenomenon that Texas has of only red state assholes seem to be moving there. 

Don't sell yourself short! You're also getting all of the blue state assholes who have long envied all those red state freedoms (one in particular) you've got.

[Hookah Horns 3089]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Scary when they talk about using their elected/confirmed powers to defeat evil.  

I'm sure we all agree that we don't want evil in our lives or in the world but they're defining evil in their own terms when less than half of America agrees with them. And I don't want Dems defining and defeating evil either.

The gig is to enforce the laws, not some whacked out interpretation of the Bible. 

[aggie08 21839]

3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Trump's corpse would win Texas. 

Yep, try convincing Trump voters that he's actually dead. Even if you could, they'd write him in to honor his memory.

[locodos 5592]

2 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

The gig is to enforce the laws, not some whacked out interpretation of the Bible. 

or any interpretation of the bible

[Hookah Horns 3089]

6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Is he predicting that he will be dead by November? 

No, I believe he said Haley easily wins the general if he does. 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

26 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Don't sell yourself short! You're also getting all of the blue state assholes who have long envied all those red state freedoms (one in particular) you've got.

Cubans give FL to Trump

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

i still don't get how the Right loves Russia when that was somewhat satanic not too long ago. 

[Underdog 29201]

33 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Trump's corpse would win Texas. 

I’d take that chance if it means trump is dead. 

[YGIFS 19458]

1 minute ago, Underdog said:

I’d take that chance if it means trump is dead. 

Yeah, that would be an interesting conundrum.  It'd be even more embarrassing for Texas than we already are, politically. Plus the margin of victory would be even bigger than last cycle because let's be honest---if he's dead, there's millions of us that won't even be voting against him because we'll be denied access to poling stations because we'll visibly fucked up on LSD, Cialis, and Miller High Life quarts.  If he does die between the convention and the general, and I think he will.  We really need like a buddy system thing where one of us well-checks on the other and gets them to the polls.  And then the voting guy can go back to his bender and then ween off and take the other to the polls later in early voting.  

We're gonna need like a doodle poll thing or spreadsheet or something for shift sign-up.  I'm also gonna need some stain remover, gauze, and all the bottle you guys are saving for July 4th.  

[Chuckie Finster 23092]

20 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

i still don't get how the Right loves Russia when that was somewhat satanic not too long ago. 

Jon Stewart made a great observation on this topic.

The "great battle" used to be Communism vs Capitalism.  Obviously Russia and the US are on opposite sides, here.

Now, the "great battle" is woke vs. unwoke.  For Republicans, Russia is now an ally in this war.

[Horn Dog 10158]

22 minutes ago, Underdog said:

I’d take that chance if it means trump is dead. 

Me too.  Dead Trump would be 100X better a president than living Trump. 

[Dnaguy 12654]

1 hour ago, tokamak said:

Random conspiracy theory thought from this morning: I wonder if Bibi is dragging his feet on a cease fire because it hurts Biden politically. I mean, obviously Bibi doesn't want a cease fire for a whole lot of reasons, but feels like that motivation could be in the mix there, too.

All his incentives are to keep the war goi g on.

His government will collapse when the war time coalition disbands.

he’ll likely lose the resulting election 

if he’s not prime minister he must stand trial and it’s likely he’ll be convicted 

Trump is the most pliable American leader and will let him do whatever he wants

And in the event of him being convicted, Trump is likelier to grant him asylum if that ever takes place 

So if he can hang on long enough, maybe he weathers the storm. Maybe he hangs on long enough for another admin that is friendlier to him politically and personally.

Theres really nothing short of the UN , which is toothless, that would incentivize Bibi to stop his current tract 

[956 Worldwide 35598]

22 hours ago, Slacks said:

So... I always wonder, and maybe one of you can explain... How is it that any minority group is the mover of the election?

On one hand, the comment is that X minority community doesn't vote. On the other hand, that same minority community is supposed to deliver a win to the D party.

To me, it always sounds like a way to keep minorities as 'them'.

Look at the last page or two of the thread... Muslims are a threat to the Ds... And should vote D because they're going to cause Trump to win.

If Trump wins, it won't be because 100,000 Muslims in Michigan or 10,000 black people in middle Ohio didn't vote Biden. It will be because millions of the majority that actually control the vote will have spoken and chosen Trump.

Why does this charade exist and get repeated?

To be fair there are some very vocal and PR savvy members of this constituency that are hyping up their ability to sway the election because they think it’s a pressure point.

I don’t think “give us what we want on foreign policy or we will help hand the country over to an extremist” is a great long-term play for Muslim and Arab-American voters on multiple levels. But it’s the one a few of their leading reps have chosen. 
 

Here is an interesting profile of one of the leaders. In my reading he comes off very poorly, as a person who has let symbolism take over for governing.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/26/abraham-aiyash-biden-michigan-primary-00143347

[YGIFS 19458]

I get that this is a chance for a very small, and marginalized population in a critical state to be heard politically about their views on Gaza/Islam/Palestine.  You wanna seize the moment, I get it.  They'll never hold this much sway in the news ever again.  I knew this would happen in some Muslim communities in the Midwest as soon as the war broke out.  I get it.  There are parallels from other cultural, ethnic, and religious populations throughout American history who've done the same.  

But like the KGB Deputy Secretary shouts at the scientist at the end of the Chernobyl mini-series..."What difference will it make when his trains take you away?"  

[Serak The Preparer 3484]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah, that would be an interesting conundrum.  It'd be even more embarrassing for Texas than we already are, politically.

Torn between 

and

[texasdago 7771]

2 hours ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

Cubans give FL to Trump

...and then Stephen Miller will round them up for being Mexican

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

9 minutes ago, texasdago said:

...and then Stephen Miller will round them up for being Mexican

that guy is on the Mt. Rushmore of ultra evil subordinates -- along with Elliot Abrams, Donald Rumsfeld, and Dick Cheney. 

[texasdago 7771]

2 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

that guy is on the Mt. Rushmore of ultra evil subordinates -- along with Elliot Abrams, Donald Rumsfeld, and Dick Cheney. 

That's offensive to those three

[TheStoicPaisano 9953]

 

[Red Five 41758]

6 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

 

Now look, we've all called for meteor attacks before, but I don't think it's ever been as important as Thursday in Eagle Pass.