2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[DixonHur 11971]

5 hours ago, Pancho said:

Harris/Shapiro is getting really popular on the socials

Other than having a penis, what does Josh Shapiro bring to the ticket?

I'm not even sure being from a swing state helps in this instance.  I mean, MAGA already thinks the Dems were behind the Trump assassination attempt, so not sure "rewarding" the relatively unknown governor of Pennsylvania does much to quell that notion.

If Harris is at the top of the ticket, I think she needs either Kelly or Beshear as the #2.  And given the fear of losing a Senate seat in AZ, and Andy being term limited in KY, I suppose that means Beshear.

[Js1 87306]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Other than having a penis, what does Josh Shapiro bring to the ticket?

I'm not even sure being from a swing state helps in this instance.  I mean, MAGA already thinks the Dems were behind the Trump assassination attempt, so not sure "rewarding" the relatively unknown governor of Pennsylvania does much to quell that notion.

If Harris is at the top of the ticket, I think she needs either Kelly or Beshear as the #2.  And given the fear of losing a Senate seat in AZ, and Andy being term limited in KY, I suppose that means Beshear.

Roy Cooper is also a good option.  He won in NC in 2016 and 2020 despite Trump winning the state both times.   Also term limited.

Edited July 18 by Js1

[WhatTheBuck 28942]

 

[6th Street 6708]

I think the issue is a lot of these guys like Shapiro and Beshear might not want to be attached to a shotgun ticket 4 months before the election.

Someone like a Beshear could be a Presidential candidate in his own right in 2028, and losing in 2024 could jeopardize that. This is what we saw with Ron DeSantis - rising GOP star to bum. 

[Jive Turkey 13021]

This is the final nail in Joe’s coffin. 

 

[kevwun 16450]

Ron DeSantis got exposed as tin voiced empty suit once people got a look at him.  It would have happened whenever he decided to run for President.

[Pancho 46380]

The ticket needs Pennsyltucky. It’s not a given Dems win the state. Shapiro is a very popular governor. Also, I think he can articulate polices a bit better than Beshear. It’s not clear what Beshear would bring either other than age. Dems aren’t winning Kentucky. They need Pennsylvania.

 

The rumors are donors love them some Shapiro too. I think Harris/Shapiro gives the Dem ticket—and this entire presidential campaign—a much needed energy boost similar to a frat boy doing a line of coke right before kickoff. 

1.) Harris/Shapiro

 

 

 

 

2A.) Harris/Coop

2B.) Harris/Beshear

[immamac 44422]

5 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

This is the final nail in Joe’s coffin. 

 

Yeah it's over. 

[Red Five 41792]

"Obama tells associates that water is wet." 

[Aqua Buddha 14810]

What's funny/sad is that it's obvious why Biden wasn't doing many appearances the last year.  Then, when he fucked up the debate, he knew or was told he had to get out there and he's out there more than he's ever been and it keeps getting worse.

[Aqua Buddha 14810]

4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

The ticket needs Pennsyltucky. It’s not a given Dems win the state. Shapiro is a very popular governor. Also, I think he can articulate polices a bit better than Beshear. It’s not clear what Beshear would bring either other than age. Dems aren’t winning Kentucky. They need Pennsylvania.

 

The rumors are donors love them some Shapiro too. I think Harris/Shapiro gives the Dem ticket—and this entire presidential campaign—a much needed energy boost similar to a frat boy doing a line of coke right before kickoff. 

1.) Harris/Shapiro

 

 

 

 

2A.) Harris/Coop

2B.) Harris/Beshear

The Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing of the Republican Party would be literally frothing at mouth about a Harris/Shapiro ticket and we all know why.

[jimmyjazz 47348]

5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

TThe rumors are donors love them some Shapiro too.

This is a not-insignificant point.  With Elon Musk swinging his stunt dick around, Dems need to keep an eye on the till.

[Mo Horn 8943]

13 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Other than having a penis, what does Josh Shapiro bring to the ticket?

I'm not even sure being from a swing state helps in this instance.  I mean, MAGA already thinks the Dems were behind the Trump assassination attempt, so not sure "rewarding" the relatively unknown governor of Pennsylvania does much to quell that notion.

If Harris is at the top of the ticket, I think she needs either Kelly or Beshear as the #2.  And given the fear of losing a Senate seat in AZ, and Andy being term limited in KY, I suppose that means Beshear.

Losing Pennsylvania makes it really hard to get to 270. Shapiro gives a better shot IMO. Not gonna win Kentucky and probably not NC regardless. I love Kelly but not sure that guarantees AZ

[C-Man 27839]

5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

The ticket needs Pennsyltucky. It’s not a given Dems win the state. Shapiro is a very popular governor. Also, I think he can articulate polices a bit better than Beshear. It’s not clear what Beshear would bring either other than age. Dems aren’t winning Kentucky. They need Pennsylvania.

 

The rumors are donors love them some Shapiro too. I think Harris/Shapiro gives the Dem ticket—and this entire presidential campaign—a much needed energy boost similar to a frat boy doing a line of coke right before kickoff. 

1.) Harris/Shapiro

 

 

 

 

2A.) Harris/Coop

2B.) Harris/Beshear

I really like Shapiro, BTW. Kamala+Shapiro is a ticket I could get pretty excited about.

 

[Pam Cummings 9887]

13 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

This is the final nail in Joe’s coffin. 

 

Oh so NOW Republicans think Obama has a good idea

[Js1 87306]

Yeah, Obama is probably the clincher. 

[Sheep Have Wool 1053]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

This is almost like a coaching search thread lol. 

I considered creating another Hitler sub for it, but I didn't want to incite political violence.

[gmr548 16704]

5 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Contrasts. 
 

If Trump is the machismo candidate that is winning over young men, men of color, and boomer white dusters…. Why go with a woman of color. Seems to be playing into a trap.

Best ticket to beat Trump IMO is Newsom with Warnock. 
I have no polling to back this up however.

Kamila would have to publicly sign off on it though. I assume there would have to be a backroom deal on making her a Justice on SCOTUS or the AG for her to ok it bc you’ll need her out there hammering abortion talking pts. I think she’s likely the best surrogate to prosecute reason 1,567,359 that another Trump presidency is not ideal.

Newsom's profile as a rich, California limousine liberal won't play well in the midwest and Warnock has maybe the highest value over replacement level of any US Senator. Brian Kemp would also appoint his replacement, which would guarantee a Republican Senate in 2025. 

I think Warnock would be a great POTUS candidate someday if he has that aspiration. He is far too valuable in the Senate to ask him to walk the plank as the VP on a longshot ticket. Complete nonstarter strategically.

3 hours ago, mdmost said:

Can't be another woman. If we're a country of moderates who lean misogynist, you have to put a man up there with Kamala as VP. Shapiro or Kelly makes the most sense. Shapiro is a good answer to Vance. Rust Belt governor of the single most important state in this election now. 

 

2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Unfortunately, you are correct.  If Whitmer were a man, she'd be the 100% obvious choice.  30% (or more) of people's heads would explode if there were two women.

Shaprio is Jewish which won't matter to a wide number of people but the "GEORGE SOROS!!!!" crowd will be off the charts.

Kelly from Arizona is an excellent choice, IMO.

See above and the same is true for Mark Kelly, though at lease a Democrat would be appointed to replace him. Too valuable in his Senate seat though. He is well liked in one of the closest split states in the union. There are other compelling choices without that downside.

11 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Other than having a penis, what does Josh Shapiro bring to the ticket?

I'm not even sure being from a swing state helps in this instance.  I mean, MAGA already thinks the Dems were behind the Trump assassination attempt, so not sure "rewarding" the relatively unknown governor of Pennsylvania does much to quell that notion.

If Harris is at the top of the ticket, I think she needs either Kelly or Beshear as the #2.  And given the fear of losing a Senate seat in AZ, and Andy being term limited in KY, I suppose that means Beshear.

The fuck does Andy Beshear bring to the ticket? I promise you 75% of America has no idea who that is.

Shaprio has high name recognition and approval in a must-have state for Democrats. I might go with a Roy Cooper because he's term limited anyway and also from a competitive state (a black POTUS candidate and Roy Cooper might actually put NC and to a lesser extent GA back in play). But to the extent that a VP can add something (generally not much), Shaprio checks that box.

6 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

This is the final nail in Joe’s coffin. 

 

This is the one person who can get all rank and file Democratic voters in line. Pelosi can whip the elected officials but voters don't care.

[Brisketexan 107044]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

Your graph suggests women are significantly better than men. It doesn't really support your point. 

Oh, women are definitely better than men when it comes to "don't vote for the fascist sociopath."  That's not my point.  My point is that their tendencies aren't good enough to save the day.  We need women to vote Dem at a 2-1 clip.  They aren't there, they never will be.  And if the Dem is a woman, they may perform even worse than if the Dem was a man. 

Sorry to be beating up women.  If you'd like me to beat up the shitty voting patterns of latinos next (hitting my own crew), I'm happy to do so.  Talk about "voting against your interests/leopards eating people's faces."

['stache 22148]

I still don't like it, but am on board with putting Kamala at the top of the ticket, but fucking get it done, and stop with the media leaks. Fuck.

[6th Street 6708]

Never heard of Shapiro until 2 days ago

[jimmyjazz 47348]

17 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Oh so NOW Republicans think Obama has a good idea

[Red Five 41792]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

I still don't like it, but am on board with putting Kamala at the top of the ticket, but fucking get it done, and stop with the media leaks. Fuck.

Yeah but they can't just snap their fingers and make it happen. Without the public pressure, Biden would just stay in the race.

[Pato del Muerto 53607]

I’ve skipped a page or two, but is there no concern of having essentially the presidential understudy passed up for another white guy having the effect of suppressing black and women votes?

['stache 22148]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

I’ve skipped a page or two, but is there no concern of having essentially the presidential understudy passed up for another white guy having the effect of suppressing black and women votes?

I haven’t seen any suggestions for several pages for anyone other than Kamala at the top of the ticket. The discussion has been about VP, which will almost certainly be a white guy from the Midwest.

[jimmyjazz 47348]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’ve skipped a page or two, but is there no concern of having essentially the presidential understudy passed up for another white guy having the effect of suppressing black and women votes?

Yeah, I think it's a really bad look to leapfrog Harris.  She's the next in line, put her at the top of the ticket and fill in the VP role.

[hookem2010 2701]

I believe the talk has all been about Shapiro as VP, Kamala at the top of the ticket.

[Red Five 41792]

Sure would be nice to have Secretary Pete out on the trail and in the spotlight every day for four months.

Just sayin'.

[6th Street 6708]

And if Kamala loses the election, she can effectively be put out to pasture and open the door for a Kelly, Beshear, or other up and comer in 2028. 

[Js1 87306]

I'm ready for this face to come out before she eviscerates him for being a felon at their first debate

[Mo Horn 8943]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Sure would be nice to have Secretary Pete out on the trail and in the spotlight every day for four months.

Just sayin'.

My absolute first choice, but as I've said many times, the American electorate are idiots and won't vote for him. 

[DixonHur 11971]

24 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Shaprio has high name recognition

Wut?  I'd never heard of him until a few pages ago, and I doubt I'm in the minority.

Also, for those saying Beshear couldn't carry KY, he has a 65% approval rating.

Poll: Beshear most popular Democrat governor again - Lane Report | Kentucky Business & Economic News

Edited July 18 by DixonHur

[Chuckie Finster 23103]

The Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing of the Republican Party would be literally frothing at mouth about a Harris/Shapiro ticket and we all know why.

I think baiting the loudest and worst segment of the opposition party is a smart political move.

[hookem2010 2701]

I'm going to allow myself some optimism for the first time in weeks (months?) and imagine the Democrats Case McCoy'ing their way across the finish line. Another November miracle by an unsuspected savior! 

 

[Jive Turkey 13021]

What's Tim Kaine up to these days?  That was a helluva pick.

[DixonHur 11971]

5 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

And if Kamala loses the election, she can effectively be put out to pasture and open the door for a Kelly, Beshear, or other up and comer in 2028. 

My fear is that this is our last shot at Democracy (at least in as far as we can call America a Democracy... I'm looking at you electoral college).  

Project 2025 makes it pretty clear that the GOP will be loading the box with sycophants... and that includes those who will certify elections.

[Ghost of LL 15705]

11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, I think it's a really bad look to leapfrog Harris.  She's the next in line, put her at the top of the ticket and fill in the VP role.

It's not just that.  It's also that if you leapfrog Harris, there's no clear alternative.  At least a half-dozen other candidates would be in the running.  And with no clear path for picking one over the others, you'd have a complete clusterfuck that would actually sow more division than you have now.

Harris is the only viable alternative.  Anything other than Harris would probably be even worse than Biden.

And I say that as someone who would, all other things being even, vastly prefer Gretchen Whitmer.

[texasdago 7772]

6 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I think baiting the loudest and worst segment of the opposition party is a smart political move.

....because they're not going to be the only ones saying racist things.

Today, just before prime time, would be a really good time to announce a new ticket.

Edited July 18 by texasdago

[SaucyJack 3522]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I halfway agree with you.  Swing for the fences.  Why not?  Make Roe V Wade the biggest issue, tout the economy, hammer on Trump's felony convictions.

 

[wildcat09 29601]

7 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I think baiting the loudest and worst segment of the opposition party is a smart political move.

Yeah, having a Jew on the ticket might drive the GOP insane enough to get the media to actually notice that they're fucking nuts. 

[DixonHur 11971]

1 minute ago, Ghost of LL said:

It's not just that.  It's also that if you leapfrog Harris, there's no clear alternative.  At least a half-dozen other candidates would be in the running.  And with no clear path for picking one over the others, you'd have a complete clusterfuck that would actually sow more division than you have now.

Harris is the only viable alternative.  Anything other than Harris would probably be even worse than Biden.

And I say that as someone who would, all other things being even, vastly prefer Gretchen Whitmer.

As a known Whitmer fan, I approve of this message. 

The longer this drags out, Kamala is the only logical choice at the top of the ticket.  Find her a good... ahem...white male VP and get on with beating Trump in November.

[DixonHur 11971]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yeah, having a Jew on the ticket might drive the GOP insane enough to get the media to actually notice that they're fucking nuts. 

[6th Street 6708]

5 minutes ago, texasdago said:

....because they're not going to be the only ones saying racist things.

Today, just before prime time, would be a really good time to announce a new ticket.

Equivalent of Texas firing our baseball coach ahead of the CWS final

[Js1 87306]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

As a known Whitmer fan, I approve of this message. 

The longer this drags out, Kamala is the only logical choice at the top of the ticket.  Find her a good... ahem...white male VP and get on with beating Trump in November.

We are 30 days out from the DNC. It’s already too late for the stupid mini primary idea. It’s Ridin with Biden or Kamala Time 

Edited July 18 by Js1

[Js1 87306]

Just now, 6th Street said:

Equivalent of Texas firing our baseball coach ahead of the CWS final

Oh you know it’s coming. The inevitable “Biden is still pulling the strings of Kamala” even though he was supposedly too senile to be President for 4 years 

[immamac 44422]

There's enough people out there that still think the guardrails are up and another 4 years of trump will be stupid but not ruinous. It's certainly one way to look at it, but I think it's quite obvious that the supreme courts recent behavior and serious ethical concerns are what make that an invalid way of thinking.

I had a really good conversation with a person yesterday who thinks the Chevron decision was actually good in a long run type way because it will put the burden of defining things on the legislature. The flaw in that logic is the legislature is completely broken and non functional so it will effectively be legislated from the bench. 

[hobbes2702 13513]

2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Equivalent of Texas firing our baseball coach ahead of the CWS final

The Dems are going to hire Donald Trump?!

[immamac 44422]

18 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh you know it’s coming. The inevitable “Biden is still pulling the strings of Kamala” even though he was supposedly too senile to be President for 4 years 

The only way to do this is for Kamala to kill and eat Joe live on the air. Leave no doubt. Put the fear of kamamala in our foreign adversaries. Assert dominance. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13744]

22 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Sure would be nice to have Secretary Pete out on the trail and in the spotlight every day for four months.

Just sayin'.

When Biden is replaced, there will obviously be a name at the top but the Dems will basically throw a bullpen game. Anyone and everyone will be out hyping up a ______ victory.

Biden is only a few days until bigger names, potentially even Obama, publicly calling for him to step down. Right now he has a chance to be praised for stewarding America through a difficult time. 

Edited July 18 by Nice Guy Eddie

[DixonHur 11971]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

We are 30 days out from the DNC. It’s already too late for the stupid mini primary idea. It’s Ridin with Biden or Kamala Time 

I agree, but I don't think it was 3 weeks ago.

A lot has happened since the debate.