2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

['stache 21564]

Just now, Horn Dog said:

Fuck that, he needs to be on the campaign trail, less visible than Kamala, but doing the "good" Biden interviews and supporting her 100%. COVID is a perfect way to gracefully bow out as the candidate if that's where this is headed. 

[Dnaguy 11592]

10 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

NYT says Biden knows it’s over. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/18/us/politics/biden-election-drop-out.html

[chainsaw 9656]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Fuck that, he needs to be on the campaign trail, less visible than Kamala, but doing the "good" Biden interviews and supporting her 100%. COVID is a perfect way to gracefully bow out as the candidate if that's where this is headed. 

Fully drugged

[gmr548 16312]

48 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Those of you saying a brokered convention would be better than Harris absolutely do not understand politics and are going to drive me to drink an unhealthy amount of alcohol.

I don't know how anyone could bemoan the Democratic Party's handling of this entire saga and expect a brokered convention to be anything but an enormous mess at the same time.

[Js1 83350]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Fuck that, he needs to be on the campaign trail, less visible than Kamala, but doing the "good" Biden interviews and supporting her 100%. COVID is a perfect way to gracefully bow out as the candidate if that's where this is headed. 

Yeah, stick him in the Blue Wall states to campaign for/with her. Her, Barack, Michelle, Joe. Just win those 3 and we are golden. 

[troph 24024]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It wouldn't shock me.  Not even a little bit.  A surprising percentage of women are really, really, really shitty in that respect.

And, Kamala at the top of the ticket will also drive up turnout among piece of shit white male voters who are racist and misogynist (so, the Trump base). If their turnout increases even 1-2%, then that may be enough to seal the deal.

I'm fine with moving on but this is why I thought (I'm moving on so past tense) Biden as a senile old guy was still the better candidate and why I was so fucking mad about how the last 2 weeks played out.

2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I don't know how anyone could bemoan the Democratic Party's handling of this entire saga and expect a brokered convention to be anything but an enormous mess at the same time.

it already is a mess.

[Js1 83350]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It wouldn't shock me.  Not even a little bit.  A surprising percentage of women are really, really, really shitty in that respect.

And, Kamala at the top of the ticket will also drive up turnout among piece of shit white male voters who are racist and misogynist (so, the Trump base). If their turnout increases even 1-2%, then that may be enough to seal the deal.

And ditching Biden for a younger candidate can increase youth and minority turnout. We know you’ll find an issue with every candidate and tell us how MAGA will increase turnout bc it’s a woman/gay/Jew/minority, Eeyore

[David Dennison 17797]

What a mess.

I love it.

[troph 24024]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

And ditching Biden for a younger candidate can increase youth and minority turnout. We know you’ll find an issue with every candidate and tell us how MAGA will increase turnout bc it’s a woman/gay/Jew/minority, Eeyore

that's the bet, let's hope it works out. just because I'm super concerned and worried about asshat white women doesn't mean I'm not game. let's go.

Edited July 18 by troph

[Dnaguy 11592]

1968 called.

They want their presidential race back.

Assassination attempt?

A Republican candidate for Pres that lost their previous races?

An incumbent drops out.

A brokered Democratic convention in Chicago?!

The simulation is getting lazy.

[mdmost 42459]

13 minutes ago, troph said:

no doubt she's a fantastic orator and debater, one of the best in a long while, but we knew that from her primary run in 2020. Maybe its PTSD from HRC and post-Obama backlash, but god I hope we don't run into a racist/sexist anti-Harris buzz saw (among suburban white women and others) in swing states. The number of women who might vote for a man (Dem) but will simply say a woman (per se) isn't qualified to be POTUS might shock us all.

But if she's POTUS already? That's why Biden should just step down. Make her POTUS so it's not a foreign concept to have a woman president. 

[Js1 83350]

Just now, troph said:

that's the bet, let's hope it works out. just because I'm not super concerned and worried about asshat white women doesn't mean I'm not game. let's go.

At this point, the campaign on the Dem side needs a big shot of excitement and enthusiasm. This is the chance. 

[Mo Horn 8716]

 

[Texaus 366]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It wouldn't shock me.  Not even a little bit.  A surprising percentage of women are really, really, really shitty in that respect.

And, Kamala at the top of the ticket will also drive up turnout among piece of shit white male voters who are racist and misogynist (so, the Trump base). If their turnout increases even 1-2%, then that may be enough to seal the deal.

Also, just like there will be a lot of silent dem votes from women because of the abortion issue, there will now be a lot of silent trump votes because of race.    

[Red Five 40355]

Jesus. 

[Goofyboy 3010]

It wouldn't shock me.  Not even a little bit.  A surprising percentage of women are really, really, really shitty in that respect.
And, Kamala at the top of the ticket will also drive up turnout among piece of shit white male voters who are racist and misogynist (so, the Trump base). If their turnout increases even 1-2%, then that may be enough to seal the deal.

This is what I’ve been saying. There are anti-Trump voters that have come out willing to vote Biden. I think Harris makes those same people stay home.

[Js1 83350]

So now they’re going with “don’t be so sure she wants the nomination?”

 

[Dnaguy 11592]

1 minute ago, Mo Horn said:

 

[gmr548 16312]

Just now, Js1 said:

And ditching Biden for a younger candidate can increase youth and minority turnout. We know you’ll find an issue with every candidate and tell us how MAGA will increase turnout bc it’s a woman/gay/Jew/minority, Eeyore

There's a legitimate argument to be made that Kamala Harris is a net negative in the blue wall states as things currently stand, and her success would rest on getting a decisive victory among those currently undecided/considering not voting/parking protest votes with West or Stein, and that doing so as a quasi-incumbent would be difficult.

Her odds are still long, but there's at least upside. It is really hard to imagine undecides breaking for Biden in a meaningful way at this point.

[6th Street 6297]

Who is this rando

[troph 24024]

1 minute ago, Mo Horn said:

 

well there's your open air, brokered convention for everyone to see. it's like the neighbors who fight with their windows open and everyone hears and they act like nothing happened. jesus fucking christ.

[Js1 83350]

1 minute ago, 6th Street said:

Who is this rando

Halperin is not a rando but he went from mainstream news to Newsmax. So take that with a grain of salt

He co-wrote Game Changer about the 2008 election and Palin

Edited July 18 by Js1

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11536]

Not resigning and not endorsing isn’t ideal imo.  Have to look like a well oiled machine. This already looks like chaos.  An open convention will further that. 

[gmr548 16312]

4 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

 

This would be such a fucking mess.

Biden should absolutely not resign though. It is dumb to even float that.

[Js1 83350]

Just now, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Not resigning and not endorsing isn’t ideal imo.  Have to look like a well oiled machine. This already looks like chaos.  An open convention will further that. 

Agreed. What’s the point of a vice president then? 

[troph 24024]

1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

There's a legitimate argument to be made that Kamala Harris is a net negative in the blue wall states as things currently stand, and her success would rest on getting a decisive victory among those currently undecided/considering not voting/parking protest votes with West or Stein, and that doing so as a quasi-incumbent would be difficult.

Her odds are still long, but there's at least upside. It is really hard to imagine undecides breaking for Biden in a meaningful way at this point.

I think we vastly downplay the anti-trump vote causing undecideds to vote Biden. When push comes to shove the net negative for trump will carry the day for many. Will those same moderates vote for Harris, I honestly don't know. What we do know is black women carried HRC and suburban white women ate HRC alive. I would expect that to hold true for Harris as well.

 

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Halperin is not a rando but he went from mainstream news to Newsmax. So take that with a grain of salt

 

let's hope he has bad info.

[Goofyboy 3010]

If Harris is stepped over, we lose. Either keep Biden or hand it to Harris.

Personally - I think we lose with anyone other than Biden.

[David Dennison 17797]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

So now they’re going with “don’t be so sure she wants the nomination?”

 

[Gap03 3182]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

well there's your open air, brokered convention for everyone to see. it's like the neighbors who fight with their windows open and everyone hears and they act like nothing happened. jesus fucking christ.

Yeah, this is going to be like the West Wing, with Obama trying to play Bartlet trying to get the candidates to be adults with a nomination up for grabs.  Good luck, but maybe he'll be able to convince them that once mud starts getting slung, the nomination will be meaningless.  

[Js1 83350]

Just now, Gap03 said:

Yeah, this is going to be like the West Wing, with Obama trying to play Bartlet trying to get the candidates to be adults with a nomination up for grabs.  Good luck, but maybe he'll be able to convince them that once mud starts getting slung, the nomination will be meaningless.  

Obama and Bill need to play elder statesman and get everyone on board with Harris. A month is not long enough for an open convention. Dem warfare. Dems in disarray. Every chuckle fuck will throw their name in 

[Dnaguy 11592]

3 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Not resigning and not endorsing isn’t ideal imo.  Have to look like a well oiled machine. This already looks like chaos.  An open convention will further that. 

Don’t compare it to the almighty, compare it to the alternative?

[Red Five 40355]

[David Dennison 17797]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Obama and Bill need to play elder statesman and get everyone on board with Harris. A month is not long enough for an open convention. Dem warfare. Dems in disarray. Every chuckle fuck will throw their name in 

Chucklefuck talk not going away.

[F250 28491]

41 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Reminder that the Trump/Vance ticket is incredibly easy to campaign against if you are capable of delivering the message:

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[mdmost 42459]

Not endorsing his own vice president would be completely shitty. The only good thing that comes out of that is if Whitmer, Newsom, and any other options all throw their support behind her and say they will not seek the nomination. 

Edited July 18 by mdmost

[gmr548 16312]

1 minute ago, troph said:

I think we vastly downplay the anti-trump vote causing undecideds to vote Biden. When push comes to shove the net negative for trump will carry the day for many. Will those same moderates vote for Harris, I honestly don't know. What we do know is black women carried HRC and suburban white women ate HRC alive. I would expect that to hold true for Harris as well.

I tend to think the vast majority of those voters are voting blue no matter who. By definition, the anti-Trump vote is driven by...Trump, not the other guy/gal.

Some, primarily men, will likely break off due to race and/or gender. I doubt you ultimately see a major white woman defection. This is a very different country for women than it was 8 years ago, as youl obviously well know, and the electorate has changed. The entire 18-25 cohort couldn't even vote in 2016. Most under 30's couldn't or didn't. Millions of older voters have died since then. Less white, on balance. There has not been a decades-long coordinated right wing media onslaught building hatred of Kamala Harris nationally like there was for Hillary Clinton.

[sidis 9659]

consider this my official exploratory committee effort...

would you assholes consider voting for me?

[gmr548 16312]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

Not endorsing his own vice president would be completely shitty. 

Yeah, I take that Newsmax reporter with a massive grain of salt.

[Js1 83350]

Just now, gmr548 said:

Yeah, I take that Newsmax reporter with a massive grain of salt.

Yep. Even Biden isn’t dumb enough to completely piss off the most reliable voting bloc of your party by not endorsing your female black VP. Black women will love that! 

[WhatTheBuck 28613]

15 minutes ago, Texaus said:

Also, just like there will be a lot of silent dem votes from women because of the abortion issue, there will now be a lot of silent trump votes because of race.    

Trump already has all the racists on his side.

[Firemans4Horn 17136]

Just now, WhatTheBuck said:

Trump already has all the racists on his side.

Except the true racists. Because of JD’s Indian wife. 

[South Austin 51632]

4 minutes ago, sidis said:

consider this my official exploratory committee effort...

would you assholes consider voting for me?

What is your position on prima nocta?

[Js1 83350]

5 minutes ago, sidis said:

consider this my official exploratory committee effort...

would you assholes consider voting for me?

What is your position on nuking Oklahoma and giving College Station to North Korea?

[David Dennison 17797]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

What is your position on nuking Oklahoma and giving College Station to North Korea?

Can we throw in the Metroplex?

[hobbes2702 12533]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Those of you saying a brokered convention would be better than Harris absolutely do not understand politics and are going to drive me to drink an unhealthy amount of alcohol.

Fucking a.

A mini primary or whatever the fuck is the absolute worst idea possible. If it isn’t Joe then it needs to be Kamala. Anything else has a zero percent chance of winning the election.

[gmr548 16312]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

nuking Oklahoma

That seems like a major investment in improving the place.

[Pescado_Rojo 19261]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

What is your position on nuking Oklahoma and giving College Station to North Korea?

Giving Louisiana a chunk of East Texas that includes College Station probably improves the intelligence of both states. 

[sidis 9659]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

What is your position on nuking Oklahoma and giving College Station to North Korea?

 

['stache 21564]

There is zero chance, less than zero, that Biden would refuse to endorse his VP if he’s stepping aside. What an insanely stupid thing to say.

[Js1 83350]

1 minute ago, sidis said: