2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Goofyboy 3002]

I would demand a rule change for the next debate - live fact checking. Trump will say no, Biden can bow out stating there is no point in a debate when the other guy fills the time with lies.

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

I'd rather be rudderless instead of currently taking on water and sinking into the bottom of the fucking ocean. 

 

[Biff Tannen 45013]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm taking about the Biden "coup" currently being talked about.

 

Well fuck me right?  The whole world has suddenly changed while I’ve been gone and I’m just struggling to catch up. 

[tx 3 putt 75223]

 

 

[Dbeasy 14756]

55 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

not really, who possibly benefits the most if Biden steps down ….

trump

russia

china 

saudis

news media cycle 
 

they want the Dems in total chaos so Russia can amp up the rhetoric

 

 

I didn’t realize that what we have currently isn’t Democrat chaos yet. Yikes. 

[tx 3 putt 75223]

Just now, Dbeasy said:

I didn’t realize that what we have currently isn’t Democrat chaos yet. Yikes. 

honestly I haven't been following it closely (because I don’t think it’ll happen), which Dems have put their name to asking Biden to step down ?

[tx 3 putt 75223]

 

 

 

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

6 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

honestly I haven't been following it closely (because I don’t think it’ll happen), which Dems have put their name to asking Biden to step down ?

So you've been pelting this thread with Blue MAGA propaganda and haven't even been paying attention closely? WTF? 

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

Biden is losing the election in basically every poll with no good answers or path on how he can recover, and deep blue Dems want to keep him in the race because they think it's unfair to Joe that he would be replaced. Just bonkers. 

 

Edited July 20 by Hank Kingsley

[troph 23995]

10 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

 

 

His whole campaign stump speech is the fascist rhetoric mixed in with a stand up comedy routine. People come to see him they laugh a lot and then they leave liking him. It’s instinctive and frankly genius. Now evil too but (evil) genius nonetheless. He’s been an entertainer since the apprentice. It’s how he inoculates himself from his lies and bullshit, it’s a fucking comedy routine. 

Edited July 20 by troph

[tx 3 putt 75223]

8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

So you've been pelting this thread with Blue MAGA propaganda and haven't even been paying attention closely? WTF? 

no, haven’t seen anyone put their name to replacing Biden 

[immamac 41615]

4 minutes ago, troph said:

His whole campaign stump speech is the fascist rhetoric mixed in with a stand up comedy routine. People come to see him they laugh a lot and then they leave liking him. It’s instinctive and frankly genius. Now evil too but (evil) genius nonetheless. He’s been an entertainer since the apprentice. It’s how he inoculates himself from his lies and bullshit, it’s a fucking comedy routine. 

Except nothing about it is funny. 

[YGIFS 19445]

Did Trump just say the Electric Boat/Shark thing was an "analogy?"  Is Eric coaching him up on vocabulary?  

Death by Battery is to Death by Shark as Presidential is to a Fucking Moron

[MrBig 5160]

21 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

honestly I haven't been following it closely (because I don’t think it’ll happen), which Dems have put their name to asking Biden to step down ?

4 Senators and 34 House Dems have publicly called for Biden to step down

Senators Jon Tester (MT-up for re-election), Martin Heinrich (NM-up for re-election), Sherrod Brown (OH-up for re-election), Peter Welch (VT)

2 Senators and 2 House Dems have been unconfirmed to want Biden to step down

12 Senators and 20 House Dems “Have Concerns” about Biden 

7 Senators and 11 House Dems said it was Biden’s choice

17 Senators and 77 House Dems want Biden to stay in the race

9 Senators and 70 House Dems are N/A on their views

http://analysis.votehub.us/pages/biden-campaign-comment-tracker

Edited July 20 by MrBig

[tx 3 putt 75223]

Polls that matter most - Ohio, Wisconsin, Az, Georgia, Fl, Pa. Nv, Michigan 

 

did I miss a swing state ? 

Edited July 20 by tx 3 putt

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

Just now, tx 3 putt said:

Polls that matter most - Ohio, Wisconsin, Az, Georgia, Fl, Pa. Nv, Michigan 

 

did I miss a swing state ? 

Have you looked at those polls? 

 

[Dbeasy 14756]

4 minutes ago, MrBig said:

4 Senators and 34 House Dems have publicly called for Biden to step down

Senators Jon Tester (MT-up for re-election), Martin Heinrich (NM-up for re-election), Sherrod Brown (OH-up for re-election), Peter Welch (VT)

2 Senators and 2 House Dems have been unconfirmed to want Biden to step down

12 Senators and 20 House Dems “Have Concerns” about Biden 

7 Senators and 11 House Dems said it was Biden’s choice

17 Senators and 77 House Dems want Biden to stay in the race

9 Senators and 70 House Dems are N/A on their views

http://analysis.votehub.us/pages/biden-campaign-comment-tracker

Also, Pelosi’s public statements have all but said he needs to leave. She is just giving him the opportunity to honorably withdraw. 

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

And LOL at Florida poll mattering. Trump might win by double digits. 

[tx 3 putt 75223]

 

 

[Pancho 42225]

17 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Biden is losing the election in basically every poll with no good answers or path on how he can recover, and deep blue Dems want to keep him in the race because they think it's unfair to Joe that he would be replaced. Just bonkers. 

 

This is where I am with those who want him to staying. What exactly can he (the campaign) do right now that they haven’t been doing that will make up 5-6% between now and October? 
 

 

 

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

In 2020, Joe Biden was getting his ass kicked in Iowa and NH primaries. A lot of people were thirsty for new blood leading the Dem ticket. Then the SC primary happened. A major event. And the entire race flipped and basically ended that night. Everyone was asked to stand down and get in line with Joe. They weren't excited about it (including me), but obviously you vote for Joe and defeat Trump. 

A major event happened at that Presidential debate last month. Like SC basically ending Bernie and Pete and Warren/etc. chances of winning the primary, this recent Presidential debate ended Joe's chances. 

Now it's time for Biden Dems to return the fucking favor, and they fucking dig their heels in. Fuck. 

 

[MrBig 5160]

2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Also, Pelosi’s public statements have all but said he needs to leave. She is just giving him the opportunity to honorably withdraw. 

Rep. Pelosi and Rep. Joseph Morelle (NY) are the 2 rumored House Reps asking Biden to step down and Sen. Schumer and Sen. Michael Bennet (CO) are the 2 rumored Senators. 

[mdmost 42316]

44 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm taking about the Biden "coup" currently being discussed on social media by hardcore Dems.

 

Dissension is a coup now to some who back Biden. 

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

This is where I am with those who want him to staying. What exactly can he (the campaign) do right now that they haven’t been doing that will make up 5-6% between now and October? 
 

 

 

Correct. And you can go even further and ask what can he do right now to not fall even further behind? 

 

[Js1 82948]

I’m really the part where we are on week 3 of just saying the same things over and over again. It’s great 

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

Just now, Js1 said:

I’m really the part where we are on week 3 of just saying the same things over and over again. It’s great 

Haha, yeah. Let's cut bait ASAP. 

 

[Zonahorn 7921]

 

 

This is the plan to replace the incumbent president. Fucking LOL

[Underdog 28118]

17 minutes ago, MrBig said:

4 Senators and 34 House Dems have publicly called for Biden to step down

Senators Jon Tester (MT-up for re-election), Martin Heinrich (NM-up for re-election), Sherrod Brown (OH-up for re-election), Peter Welch (VT)

2 Senators and 2 House Dems have been unconfirmed to want Biden to step down

12 Senators and 20 House Dems “Have Concerns” about Biden 

7 Senators and 11 House Dems said it was Biden’s choice

17 Senators and 77 House Dems want Biden to stay in the race

9 Senators and 70 House Dems are N/A on their views

http://analysis.votehub.us/pages/biden-campaign-comment-tracker

And a Partridge in a pear tree... 

[Js1 82948]

1 minute ago, Zonahorn said:

 

 

This is the plan to replace the incumbent president. Fucking LOL

Mr Beast? Tim McGraw? Condi Rice, Liz Cheney and Ben Sasse????

[Zonahorn 7921]

25 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Mr Beast? Tim McGraw? Condi Rice, Liz Cheney and Ben Sasse????

I'm sticking with Biden instead of that

[Pancho 42225]

2 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

 

 

This is the plan to replace the incumbent president. Fucking LOL

It’s not the plan, it’s a plan 

 

similar to when that police guy asked Bart “You from the casino?”

 

Bart: “I’m from a casino.”

 

[mdmost 42316]

Yeah, those plans look like they may not be that great. Let's just stick with the guy most of American is not enthusiastic about and hope for the best. I'm sure he'll close the gap any day now.  

Edited July 20 by mdmost

[troph 23995]

29 minutes ago, immamac said:

Except nothing about it is funny. 

Agreed. I’ve never laughed when I’ve tuned in. We are still trying to figure out how to beat him and his movement for good.

[Zonahorn 7921]

29 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yeah, those plans look like they may not be that great. Let's just stick with the guy most of American is not enthusiastic about and hope for the best. I'm sure he'll close the gap any day now.  

The polls are wrong, if you're that worried, get involved. There are plenty of campaigns that need the help

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

 

Full text: 

One reason I doubt there’ll be a “mini primary” now is that I don’t think the other major candidates would run. There’s not enough time for them to win support. The process would be too unclear. Party is too exhausted. Harris looks too strong. (People shouldn’t underestimate how closely party elites have been watching her these last few weeks, and how much she’s shifted opinions in her favor.) You might get some token opposition from people who want to raise their profiles, do CNN town halls, etc - which could be good for Harris because her win would be both contested and overwhelming — but strongly doubt you’d get Newsom, Whitmer (already said she won’t run), Shapiro, Beshear, etc. Safer for them to position for VP or 2028. If Biden had stepped aside weeks ago it might’ve been different. If Jaime Harrison had been thinking through options rather than making himself a Biden-no-matter-what guy, maybe it would have been different. But that’s my read of where the party is now. (Caveats: Everything is fluid, Biden might still just refuse to step aside, if Harris falters that could change sentiment, etc)

[6th Street 6270]

13 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

 

 

This is the plan to replace the incumbent president. Fucking LOL

[aggie08 20343]

33 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Polls that matter most - Ohio, Wisconsin, Az, Georgia, Fl, Pa. Nv, Michigan 

 

did I miss a swing state ? 

Ohio and Florida are over. They don't matter. If Michigan is close enough to be concerning, it's all over.

[mdmost 42316]

5 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

The polls are wrong

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

[Js1 82948]

Be like black Dems - focus on the goal. One goal. 

[troph 23995]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Be like black Dems - focus on the goal. One goal. 

Will you just pick up the megaphone and get out there? I’ll chip in for gas money. 

[David Dennison 17754]

23 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

 

 

 

This is the plan to replace the incumbent president. Fucking LOL

It reads like an SNL skit.

[Old Freak Nasty 697]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

 

And unstated, but true, he doesn't give a fuck about approximately 70m of his own voters.  These people are truly something to believe this idiots lies.  No wonder Republicans, amongst so many other things, are full frontal assault on education in this country.

It's like the Taliban creating child soldiers.

[Js1 82948]

They don’t want to vote for Trump…

 

but some will. 

They were always voting for Trump

[Nicole44 21954]

https://apnews.com/article/biden-campaign-democrats-election-trump-2b1c163c863130675b3b5b60718741c8

[Pelosi is said to prefer the open/mini-convention]
 

“On Saturday, Rep. Mark Takano, the top Democrat on the House Veterans Affairs Committee, added his name to the list of nearly three dozen Democrats in Congress who say it’s time for Biden to leave the race. The Californian called on Biden to “pass the torch,” to Harris. 

More lawmakers are expected to speak out in the days ahead. Donors have raised concerns.”

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

They don’t want to vote for Trump…

 

but some will. 

They were always voting for Trump

A lot of people don't treat this decision like life and death. We have to understand and recognize this. 

 

 

[Js1 82948]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

A lot of people don't treat this decision like life and death. We have to understand and recognize this. 

 

 

If your opinion is “I can’t vote for Biden because he’s old, so I have to vote for the fascist,” you weren’t that far from already voting for him. 

[David Dennison 17754]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

A lot of people don't treat this decision like life and death. We have to understand and recognize this. 

I would guess most voters in this country do not view a second Trump presidency with anywhere near the amount of trepidation displayed on this board.

[Old Freak Nasty 697]

Theory: Biden hasn't dropped out yet because Harris is still in her probationary period as candidate.  She came out of her bunker shortly after the debate and I think the decision makers want to collect data on how she's perceived with the electorate.  If the people, including Biden, see what they need to see they will transition to Harris.

Until then, Biden and his team will forcefully suggest that he is all in, because he may have to stay in if the initial returns aren't good on Harris.

I don't believe at all there is a plan C and I think this is a prudent approach given that behind the scenes there are still many elected Democrats on both sides of the Biden/Harris fence.

You need to be as certain as you can be in trying to determine which of Biden or Harris is the best candidate to win the EC and I think that is a more important consideration than moving quickly because of worry about the effect of Biden slander (which I've already opined that I don't think it ultimately matters at all).

Right now you have options.  If you sideline Biden, it's Harris.  You can't say "oops" then.

Edited July 20 by Old Freak Nasty

[tx 3 putt 75223]

If the replacement happens during the convention, does the SC meet asap to give their ruling or do they wait until first week of Oct ?

if roberts waits, that heavily favors the R’s