2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[tchookem 3895]

everytime the messaging is about how well the stock market is doing, I wonder if there is a lack of realization of just how many Americans do not actively participate in the stock market and aren't sitting down watching their 401K rise. It's this is what I spent in 2021 to buy bread, this is what I spend now. A difficult needle to thread, but sometimes it comes across as being dismissive of lived experiences 

I'm wondering if the response needs to be, "You know what doesn't fix inflation? Tax cuts for the super wealthy. That's the Trump solution. It's not even their solution. It's just their goal."

[CooterBrown 17760]

Video clip has other figures, but this is the standout dataset. Check out Michigan.
https://www.threads.net/@vincedmonroy/post/C9-rh1Dyl2i

It’s a Fox News poll so you know they added that 3% error margin to Trump’s tally.

[naija 2804]

zero chance anyone made that threat to Biden

[RomaVicta 29589]

6 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It would be smart for Pete to do Fox News Sunday every week until the election. And I think Fox would be up for it. 

He's the only politician in America that can go on that channel, calmly and effectively destroy their narratives, and they still happily invite him back as much as possible. Gotta take advantage of that. 

 

 

He doesn't do the yelling over the host routine when the host is rudely speaking over him. He smiles, waits, and continues with his point in a remarkably engaging way. 

This past week makes me feel like this:

[Js1 83623]

11 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

It’s a Fox News poll so you know they added that 3% error margin to Trump’s tally.

Fox has legit polling though 

[C-Man 26739]

[Underdog 28231]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Astounding if true:

 

Dammit, Michelle! 

[WhatTheBuck 28616]

57 minutes ago, naija said:

zero chance anyone made that threat to Biden

Yep. It’s obvious b.s.

[Sawbonz 26893]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, an actually reasonable alternative explanation is that he settled a potential lawsuit (that's legit) and the terms of the settlement were confidential, including the identity of the complainant, which is legit and happens all the time in and out of the context of sexual harassment.

Can it and will it be spun the other way?  Bet your fur.  But before entirely condemning Shapiro, the above is a less-feverish explanation.

If a bunch of lawyers were your pool of voters yes

 

400k and an NDA? No one else is buying that horseshit

 

[Francisco 2.0 32215]

 

 

 

[Sawbonz 26893]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Astounding if true:

 

It’s not

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2648]

1 hour ago, GopherRock said:

 

As for Walz, the only question mark I can remember is that he was falsely accused of embellishing his rank when he left the Minnesota National Guard. The public affairs officer made short work of the accusation. 

I've already seen some swift-boating type shit being pulled out on Twitter, some guy who supposedly served with Walz saying he abandoned them yada yada... I'm sure it'll be hugely amplified and all over the place if Walz is the guy

[chainsaw 9668]

Just now, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

I've already seen some swift-boating type shit being pulled out on Twitter, some guy who supposedly served with Walz saying he abandoned them yada yada... I'm sure it'll be hugely amplified and all over the place if Walz is the guy

At least he saw real action unlike pencil-pushin JD

[Sawbonz 26893]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Also noticed he’s 87 fucking years old. No way he’s connected still 

Maybe Biden 25th amendments HIM

[Pancho 42993]

The way social media was pushing for Beshear for VP, it’s now double that for Walz

I posted social media is going to will Andy Beshear the VP slot and if I could find that post, I’d change it to Walz. He’s liked by pretty much everyone. 

He’s one of those Down home, folksy, can talk to those in Philly or Scranton, Dallas or Dalhart type candidates

[Hank Kingsley 20148]

Another possible plus if you make Walz VP: the opportunity to do interviews on big sports podcasts/shows. He was a defensive coordinator and won a state title while coaching. I bet he knows his shit.

His ability to connect with sports fans and even Barstool Bros (who mostly lean conservative/Trump if I had to guess) shouldn't be underestimated. I bet he'd absolutely kill it and it would make a difference. 

 

[UncleSonny 6460]

This too. I admittedly didn’t know shit about the guy two week ago, but I’m 100% on board. 
 

[Pancho 42993]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Another possible plus if you make Walz VP: the opportunity to do interviews on big sports podcasts/shows. He was a defensive coordinator and won a state title while coaching. I bet he knows his shit.

His ability to connect with sports fans and even Barstool Bros (who mostly lean conservative/Trump if I had to guess) shouldn't be underestimated. I bet he'd absolutely kill it and it would make a difference. 

 

Could you imagine Walz on Pat McAfee? It would be the first time I watch that show ever.

[chainsaw 9668]

5 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

This too. I admittedly didn’t know shit about the guy two week ago, but I’m 100% on board. 
 

He's the anti-Allred

[Brisketexan 103651]

Heard him on tv today talking about having a Juicy Lucy last night

A Juicy Lucy? You mean a burger that HIDES the cheese inside? It’s a sandwich of DECEPTION. What is Walz HIDING? HUH? Why does he favor corporate communist sandwiches that hide their real agenda?

[TexEx15 17327]

15 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Another possible plus if you make Walz VP: the opportunity to do interviews on big sports podcasts/shows. He was a defensive coordinator and won a state title while coaching. I bet he knows his shit.

His ability to connect with sports fans and even Barstool Bros (who mostly lean conservative/Trump if I had to guess) shouldn't be underestimated. I bet he'd absolutely kill it and it would make a difference. 

 

Imagine him with Eli and Peyton on MNF. 

[Sawbonz 26893]

What you get with Walz, Pete, and Brashear is an actual populist approach to problem solving (in the sense of putting the interests of the common folk first, not in the sense of demagoguery) as opposed to these poseur, elitist fucks like 

Vance (Yale)

Cruz (Princeton / Harvard)

Cotton (Harvard/ Harvard)

Desantis (Yale / Harvard)

Hawley (Stanford / Yale)

Kennedy (Oxford)

 

There are vast numbers of people out there hurting and looking for the real deal, and it’s easy to see that Walz et al are; especially after going on 10 years of ersatz 

 

If the dems pick any of them (Walz would be my first choice) and really lean into that tack, I think they win going away and flip the house easily

Edited July 28 by Sawbonz

[Hank Kingsley 20148]

2 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Imagine him with Eli and Peyton on MNF. 

If he says "All I know about prevent defense is it prevents you from winning", we take all 50 states. 

 

[Underdog 28231]

4 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Imagine him with Eli and Peyton on MNF. 

With a Telestrator. 

[PhillyD 1246]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

If he says "All I know about prevent defense is it prevents you from winning", we take all 50 states. 

 

If he said this, I would run through a brick wall.

[Royalfan5 2284]

I’d really like to know if we has a split back veer guy while coaching because he seems like the type. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19262]

36 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

This too. I admittedly didn’t know shit about the guy two week ago, but I’m 100% on board. 
 

Who's the "Elect more women" woman? Asking for a friend. 

[Horn Dogg 3730]

9 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Who's the "Elect more women" woman? Asking for a friend. 

I would hit it.

[texasdago 7463]

White Dudes for Harris update...

"50,000 of you have RSVP’d for tomorrow’s kickoff call and we wanted to take a moment to address this milestone with a bit of emotional honesty.

When we started organizing on Friday, we could never have dreamed that so many of us would come together the way we have. We are a bit shocked. But also…grateful. We are grateful to be in this with you, and grateful to be starting something really special with you.

Ninety nine days from now we have an opportunity to help Kamala Harris make some history, we also have the opportunity to change some minds, to have some tough but fair conversations, to meet other white dudes where they are and to address some things that, well frankly, just haven’t been addressed.

We’re in this together, and a lot of people are taking notice. That’s why Governor Roy Cooper of North Carolina, Congressman Adam Schiff, Actor Misha Collins, Actor/Singer Josh Groban and Author Scott Galloway are joining our call tomorrow. They will be joining a lineup of other incredible folks like Pete Buttigeig, Ben Wikler, Josh Gad, Michael Kelly, Rory O’Malley, George Goehl and others."

[Gatorubet 29769]

6 hours ago, naija said:

everytime the messaging is about how well the stock market is doing, I wonder if there is a lack of realization of just how many Americans do not actively participate in the stock market and aren't sitting down watching their 401K rise 

• The median 401(k) balance is $27,376, reflective of how most Americans save for retirement.

• In 2022, about 46% of households reported any savings in retirement accounts. Twenty-six percent had saved more than $100,000, and 9% had more than $500,000.

• These percentages were only somewhat higher for older people. Those ages 50 to 54 were the most likely to have a retirement account. About 63% in this age group had any savings, and 35% had saved more than $100,000.

[immamac 41747]

Been awful quiet from the MAGA movement up in this bitch lately. 

[Dutchrudder 11071]

19 minutes ago, texasdago said:

White Dudes for Harris update...

"50,000 of you have RSVP’d for tomorrow’s kickoff call and we wanted to take a moment to address this milestone with a bit of emotional honesty.

When we started organizing on Friday, we could never have dreamed that so many of us would come together the way we have. We are a bit shocked. But also…grateful. We are grateful to be in this with you, and grateful to be starting something really special with you.

Ninety nine days from now we have an opportunity to help Kamala Harris make some history, we also have the opportunity to change some minds, to have some tough but fair conversations, to meet other white dudes where they are and to address some things that, well frankly, just haven’t been addressed.

We’re in this together, and a lot of people are taking notice. That’s why Governor Roy Cooper of North Carolina, Congressman Adam Schiff, Actor Misha Collins, Actor/Singer Josh Groban and Author Scott Galloway are joining our call tomorrow. They will be joining a lineup of other incredible folks like Pete Buttigeig, Ben Wikler, Josh Gad, Michael Kelly, Rory O’Malley, George Goehl and others."

I signed up, here's the link for anyone else that wants to join: Link

 

[Schulz2.0 28652]

27 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Actor/Singer Josh Groban

[Pancho 42993]

I’m old enough to remember when a surly-maga bro willingly typed on this website that they are going to get 20% of the Black vote. 

 

[Chuckie Finster 22342]

Been awful quiet from the MAGA movement up in this bitch lately. 

Was very interesting that they were the most vocal in years right after the shooting, when they seemed to think they had this election locked up.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23247]

Where’s Tahoe with the doughnuts? 

[Js1 83623]

2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Was very interesting that they were the most vocal in years right after the shooting, when they seemed to think they had this election locked up.

Uh go back and read that thread. Like 50% of the non-MAGAs also claimed that photo clinched the election for Trump 

[HOOKEM4 4948]

25 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

I signed up, here's the link for anyone else that wants to join: Link

 

I signed up in the beginning. Going to settle in with noise canceling headphones, a tall pour and my wallet ready to empty. Interested to hear the ideas and next steps. I want to help with money and effort. 

[Chopper 16666]

According to this tick tock from WP that was just published the comms people for Kamala were with Biden's campaign but now they just feel free to do shit that's fun.

Spoiler

DNC 2024
How Kamala Harris took control of the Democratic Party

Party officials and campaign aides raced to flip an entire brand from fading hope to salute emojis.
14 min

As long as Joe Biden still believed, there could be no Plan B.

The boss had earned that much. Vice President Harris approved no discussions. Campaign advisers did not break ranks in public.

But some key preparations were still put in place for the most spectacular transformation in recent American political history — a flashbang midsummer swap at the top of the presidential ticket, an outpouring of volunteer energy, a rebound in the polls and a flood of campaign cash best described in fractions of $1 billion.

The national party bosses quietly consulted their rule books. State party chairs met in secret. Others operated without orders to prepare the ground.
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Donna Brazile, the former Democratic Party chair, and Bakari Sellers, the former South Carolina lawmaker, started running their own delegate whip operation weeks before Biden bowed out. There was no public list of the 4,000 or so first-ballot convention voters — the risk of it leaking, causing harassment and death threats, hung in the air. But Brazile and Sellers knew the local politicians, the union leaders and the state party chairs who ran most delegations.

They also knew the rules. It didn’t matter how many donors or members of Congress called for Biden to step aside, or how many scripts the playwright Aaron Sorkin published on op-ed pages. Pledged delegates would decide, and they could betray Biden. According to Rule 13 (J), they had the power to vote on the first ballot “in all good conscience.” So Brazile and Sellers made sure everyone held firm, reporting back to the campaign’s whip operation and White House senior counselor Steve Ricchetti that the troops remained in formation.

“I had people call me and say, ‘Is the vice president ready?’ I said, ‘No, she wants Joe Biden. She is sticking with Joe Biden,’” Brazile remembered.

But when it came up, Brazile also told people that the party already had a backup quarterback on the roster. Sellers told others Harris could not be skipped. There was no question in those calls what would happen if Biden made a different choice. “I said, ‘Oh hell no, you are not taking Vice President Harris out. That is not going to happen,’” Brazile said.

Two days before Biden announced his decision, Ken Martin, the chair of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, convened a meeting of the executive committee for the Association of State Democratic Committees — about 50 people from around the country and territories.

They didn’t know what Biden would choose, but they decided what they would do. If Biden recommitted to the race in the coming days, they would publicly back his decision. If he bowed out, they would immediately back Harris to end the suspense.

“There is a real need to unify. Time is not on our side. We can’t have internal conversations over a month that focuses us inward,” Martin said. “There was nobody that objected on that executive committee call.”
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Biden bowed out of the race at 1:46 p.m. Eastern time on Sunday, July 21, sending Harris’s advisers scrambling to the vice president’s residence, where she wore a Howard University sweatshirt while placing more than 100 calls over the first ten hours. Aides rushed to the campaign office in Wilmington, Del., to flip an entire brand from a dead stop — before passing around late-night beer and whiskey to wind down.

By the time the state party chairs released a statement backing Harris at 9:12 p.m. that night, most of her potential rivals for the nomination had fallen in line. State delegations were endorsing. Hundreds of thousands of Americans would gather spontaneously by Zoom to pledge their support over the days that followed.

Brazile thought it would take 48 hours to finish the switch. The Associated Press declared a new presumptive nominee about 32 hours later.

This story about how Democrats handed Harris the nomination, saved themselves from oblivion and restarted the 2024 presidential contest is based on interviews with more than a dozen officials who made it happen, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private events. They told a wide-eyed tale of hope emerging from despair, unity stumbling out of division.

“If she’d had to raise money starting from zero, hire her first staff, open her first office and do all of that right out of the gate, I don’t know that she would have had time to execute. What we saw was the exact inverse of that,” said Robby Mook, the campaign manager for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential bid. “She inherited everything that had already been built and then expanded it at an extremely rapid rate.”
Flipped script

Biden decided on a Saturday night, but slept on the decision. Harris was one of the first beyond the walls of his Rehoboth Beach vacation house to find out the following morning.

She had a few hours to get ready, with her husband back home in Los Angeles planning a SoulCycle Sunday and not paying attention to his phone. Campaign chief of staff Sheila Nix and Harris’s White House chief of staff Lorraine Voles told others to head to the vice president’s residence at the U.S. Naval Observatory. When Kirsten Allen, Harris’s communications director found out, her first call was to Lawrence Jackson, the vice president’s photographer. There needed to be pictures.

Campaign chair Jen O’Malley Dillon got the news early as well. Her first call was to deputy campaign manager Rob Flaherty, who was taking in the summer breeze in a Wilmington park. There would be a letter, she said. The whole country needed to see it at the same time. Who else needed to know to make it happen?
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The campaign had spent Saturday calling delegates to prepare for Biden’s nomination. One adviser had confided, half stunned, half proud: “I don’t think he’s getting out.” The mood was resignation mixed with myopia. The previous weeks had been a kind of torture for these young professionals who had taken a job to win and saw victory slipping away. But they served a president whose life was built on turning personal pain into public purpose. So they kept working.

Flaherty told O’Malley Dillon he needed to tell one other person, and the circle soon expanded further. They got the letter, with the signature, loaded into Biden’s social media account. O’Malley Dillon was listening to Biden’s 1:45 p.m. senior White House adviser call when she told Flaherty to go — a minute later.

They gave Biden some time alone in the world, but not much. Twenty-seven minutes after that, Biden endorsed Harris on the same account. The campaign high command had not seriously entertained any other option, said several people familiar with the conversations.

Harris told her aides that her response, declaring that she would run for the nomination, had to be issued by the team in Wilmington as a signal that she was taking over. Harris aides noticed during final proofreads that the statement had been drafted with the Biden logo on top. Wilmington had it removed and hit send.

People spontaneously appeared at the headquarters office. Salute emojis filled up campaign Slack. The Biden-Harris campaign had something like 30 social media accounts to flip. The door knockers and fundraisers needed new scripts. The campaign needed a new logo.

For years, KamalaHarris.com had just redirected to Biden’s website. That would have to change, but no one in Wilmington knew who controlled the internet domain, setting off a frenzied search through records at the Democratic National Committee.

One hundred miles away, Harris was hitting the phones, as her team began polishing her remarks for the following day. Harris political advisers Megan Jones and Erin Wilson had a list of delegation leaders who could trigger phone trees in each of the states. After Biden’s endorsement, Harris aides called Jones from the residence to give the green light to start calling. “Tell the boss, we’ve got this,” Jones responded.

Allen insisted that Harris be in front of a camera by Monday. The team discussed a possible event in Philadelphia, but time was short. The solution was a twofer: Go rally the campaign staff with the speech in Wilmington headquarters. The Harris team cleared the idea with the West Wing. Juan Ortega, part of the Harris advance staff, found out the second floor of the headquarters building had been leased but not yet filled. They had a venue.

Her speechwriter Steven Kelly and communication director Brian Fallon were at the residence, working with top adviser Adam Frankel, who was remote. They recast the 2024 presidential campaign around a new theme — a former prosecutor taking on the convicted criminal Donald Trump. Harris offered edits, cutting some details of the perpetrators she had put in prison. Then she added a line. “So hear me when I say I know Donald Trump’s type.”

“Team Biden and Team Harris were like two high speed trains running in parallel, with folks on board tossing bags back and forth,” Flaherty said.
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Modern campaign fundraising is about catching waves and popping off the lip. Six minutes after Biden’s endorsement, the campaign had a destination. “[D]onate to her campaign here,” read the post.

Never mind that the lawyers had not yet filed the name change with the Federal Election Commission. The team waited for the paperwork before blitzing out more emails, text messages and the other pieces of what became a $122 million windfall in just over 48 hours.

The writers in Wilmington had to learn a new voice. Shelby Cole, the DNC’s chief mobilization officer, had been digital director for Harris’s 2020 campaign. She got on the phone with Wilmington for a live-fire training of how to write for the vice president, how to talk to voters without words like “malarkey” or references to ice cream.

At 8:29 p.m., Charli XCX, a hot British pop star, blessed Harris with her brand — “kamala is brat,” she wrote on X, a post that would be shared 55,000 times. One mercenary cell inside Flaherty’s digital team of about 200 — none of its members older than 25 — ran a more aggressive account called BidenHQ, a place for generating memes and spreading opposition research. They saw opportunity.

They took the dirty chartreuse of Charli’s album cover and reskinned the account as KamalaHQ, after running the idea by Harris’s team. Celebratory TikToks blossomed, baffling CNN pundits. Pitchfork, the high tribunal of hipster culture, soon surrendered. “By the end of the day, Brat Summer had been pronounced dead,” the website’s critic sniffed about July 21.

Before midnight, there were new scripts for voter contact. By Monday morning, there were new fliers for the door knockers. The signs were ready Tuesday when Harris showed up in Wisconsin for the biggest Democratic campaign event since the 2020 nomination fight. The ad of those cheering crowds was ready days later.
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“At the end of the day, for all my days, I will be so proud of what these guys did. They did it because they believed in the boss. And they did it because they never lost sight about what this was about. This was about beating Donald Trump,” O’Malley Dillon said. “They became a team. From the leadership on down, they became a team.”

The Harris inner circle left the Naval Observatory around 10 p.m. last Sunday. “This team was built for this moment,” Harris told them. Outside the gates stood the digital display of the U.S. Navy’s atomic clock, the master timekeeper for the federal government.

Someone had put a handmade Kamala 2024 sign on top of it. The vice president’s staff stopped for selfies.
Flash flood

Numbers like this have never been seen.

In less than a week, the coordinated campaign raised more than $200 million, with 66 percent coming from new donors. An affiliated super PAC claimed $150 million of commitments in the first 24 hours. The campaign had more than 170,000 volunteers signed up.

“When is our call? Men are thirsting,” Sellers texted a group of other Black male strategists at 12:17 a.m. Monday. An independent group of Black women, who had been meeting regularly for years, had just finished a Zoom that evening that had 44,000 participants and raised $1.5 million in three hours.

Win With Black Men went live later that day, roughly matching the fundraising and participation. A call for White women organized by the head of the gun regulation group, Moms Demand Action, featured the singer Pink and the actress Connie Britton and soon attracted 160,000 people on a Zoom call. The “White Dudes For Harris” Zoom came next.

“We knew the potential was there, but to see it realized and realized so quickly is historic,” said Quentin James, a Democratic organizer who helped put together the call for Black men.

He was in the swimming pool on vacation in Cancún when Flaherty posted the letter. Now there was a movement to lead. “Over 100,000 African Americans in 48 hours raising over $4 million,” he said. “It shows the potential we have to transform the nation.”
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Inside the DNC, the first crisis meeting was around 5 p.m. on the Sunday of the announcement. Director of party affairs Veronica Martinez Roman and others began drafting the rules of the new nomination fight, with a press release explaining that the game was not rigged. The DNC was always an awkward hybrid, a neutral arbiter of the nominating process and a longtime partner of Biden’s campaign.

On paper, anyone could challenge Harris for the nomination, if they got 300 delegate signatures of support. That was also in the rule book. Arthur Thompson, the national party’s chief technology officer and former engineering boss at Wayfair, was given a couple days to build a virtual nomination system to make it happen. No elected party leaders have challenged Harris.

Now everyone has to keep going. One week later, despite the success, nothing is solved. Harris is up in the polls, but still behind Trump in some surveys and far behind where Biden was at the same point in 2020. The Wilmington team is intact, but its White House support system has faded.

Harris asked campaign manager Julie Chavez Rodriguez, her old adviser from 2020, and O’Malley Dillon, Biden’s 2020 campaign manager, to stay on. The latter accepted with a promise that she would remain in control, without another high command second guessing her from the shadows. Everyone agrees new people need to be added to replace the forever Biden aides, like Ricchetti and adman Mike Donilon. It’s a work in progress.

Both Democrats and Republicans have taken to calling this period “the Harris Honeymoon.” The question is what happens when she stumbles or comes under a damaging attack. These campaigns have no simple trajectory. The Trump campaign ads have not yet hit the airwaves. The nation remains dyspeptic, frustrated, ready for change.

But the week that just happened cannot be taken away. Democrats have regained their footing, in time for the 100-day sprint. The chaos that threatened to envelop the party has passed. “The amount of immensely talented people turning this battleship on a dime was really incredible,” said Sam Cornale, the executive director of the DNC.

 

[Chuckie Finster 22342]

Uh go back and read that thread. Like 50% of the non-MAGAs also claimed that photo clinched the election for Trump 

Oh, I absolutely was one of them. I just think it’s a giant tell that their absence from this forum has nothing to do with the posters in here being too “mean” and is actually due to a lack of confidence in their side.

[Bullneck 18771]

2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Yep. It’s obvious b.s.

This Geiger Capital account is a tad bit suspect . . 

 

 

[Born to Run 6356]

3 hours ago, tchookem said:

7 hours ago, naija said:

everytime the messaging is about how well the stock market is doing, I wonder if there is a lack of realization of just how many Americans do not actively participate in the stock market and aren't sitting down watching their 401K rise. It's this is what I spent in 2021 to buy bread, this is what I spend now. A difficult needle to thread, but sometimes it comes across as being dismissive of lived experiences 

I'm wondering if the response needs to be, "You know what doesn't fix inflation? Tax cuts for the super wealthy. That's the Trump solution. It's not even their solution. It's just their goal."

And Tarrifs. That should be explained simply along side The Chips Act. You want inflation? Ham handed Tarrifs from a man that doesn't understand what they even are is a sure fire way to spike inflation bigly.

[Js1 83623]

30 minutes ago, Chopper said:

She got on the phone with Wilmington for a live-fire training of how to write for the vice president, how to talk to voters without words like “malarkey” or references to ice cream.

 

[StassneyHorn 6446]

More than half of American families/households have a retirement plan like a 401k. Percentage goes up to 61% when you include other plans outside 401k. Government workers, like city/state/federal workers have pensions that invest in the market through equities, bonds, REITS and other funds. Their pension funds are tied to the market as well. Abandoning that argument is dumb, even if it serves more as a deterrent to conservative turnout than getting more Dems/Inds.

[Macanudo 12798]

3 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

More than half of American families/households have a retirement plan like a 401k. Percentage goes up to 61% when you include other plans outside 401k. Government workers, like city/state/federal workers have pensions that invest in the market through equities, bonds, REITS and other funds. Their pension funds are tied to the market as well. Abandoning that argument is dumb, even if it serves more as a deterrent to conservative turnout than getting more Dems/Inds.

Ok, but now take into account how few of those 60+% understand investing at all.  I have spent my entire career in the retirement industry and it is shocking how many people don't understand the basics.

[Born to Run 6356]

2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

What you get with Walz, Pete, and Brashear is an actual populist approach to problem solving (in the sense of putting the interests of the common folk first, not in the sense of demagoguery) as opposed to these poseur, elitist fucks like 

Vance (Yale)

Cruz (Princeton / Harvard)

Cotton (Harvard/ Harvard)

Desantis (Yale / Harvard)

Hawley (Stanford / Yale)

Kennedy (Oxford)

 

There are vast numbers of people out there hurting and looking for the real deal, and it’s easy to see that Walz et al are; especially after going on 10 years of ersatz 

 

If the dems pick any of them (Walz would be my first choice) and really lean into that tack, I think they win going away and flip the house easily

Same- he's the non shitty- bizarre world Sarah Palin only in that he's white and folkey.  Brings a healthy element of Americana charm to a "urban" hell-hole (Bay Area) ticket.

 

I finally got my mom out to Cali a couple of years ago and it completely revamped her mind in regards to all the hate radio she consumed for 30 years. Oh shit people farm here, and rodeo, and cut trees down, and go to wild spaces that are beautiful. And the people are nice Americans.  It took my southern ass to convince her it was a worthwhile vacation spot plus meeting my in-laws.

Showing that we are a big tent party and not a party of minorities and LBGQT Exclusively matters.

[SaucyJack 3473]

9 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Ok, but now take into account how few of those 60+% understand investing at all.  I have spent my entire career in the retirement industry and it is shocking how many people don't understand the basics.

All they need to understand is that their balances have and are rising.

[TexEx15 17327]

This needs to be everywhere. SIAP.

[atomheartbevo 89046]

1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Was very interesting that they were the most vocal in years right after the shooting, when they seemed to think they had this election locked up.

It should have given him enough of a boost for the next few months, but now the shooting is overshadowed by a hillbilly Yale grad fucking a couch while reading dolphin porn.

[atomheartbevo 89046]

4 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

It’s a Fox News poll so you know they added that 3% error margin to Trump’s tally.

3 hours ago, Js1 said:

Fox has legit polling though 

I wouldn't put it past some executive at Fox to try and push a "oh no Trump is losing slightly" narrative to try and drum up anger among the MAGA and get them out to vote.