2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Js1 83679]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

[TexEx15 17347]

 

[TexArcher 37103]

BUT THE DEMOCRATS ARE ALLOWING THE BROWN HORDE TO CROSS THE BORDER AND SUCK UP ALL OF THE WELFARE THAT MYYYYYYYYYYYY TAAAAXXXXEEEESSSSSS PAY FOR!!!!

[Gatorubet 29789]

53 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I genuinely don't think an amendment is going to be fruitful, it's too easy to block and all the (R) states will simply out of spite

I think the point is to get them to vote against it, not an expectation that it’s going to pass. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11569]

Laughing at the retards on the right is the right move.  Gotta come up with more ways to do it.  “They’re weird” doesn’t have enough legs for 100 more days. 

[South Austin 51681]

5 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Laughing at the retards on the right is the right move.  Gotta come up with more ways to do it.  “They’re weird” doesn’t have enough legs for 100 more days. 

I'm sure Trump and Vance will give the Dems plenty of fresh material over the next three months.

[MissingInAction 24431]

15 hours ago, immamac said:

Been awful quiet from the MAGA movement up in this bitch lately. 

They're too busy beating off to trump memes.

[austingirl 2178]

46 minutes ago, texasdago said:

"He's going to talk about Hannibal Lecter and other weird shark shit or whatever"

Line of the year

Lots of good stuff in that segment. "Aging is not a conspiracy."

[WhatTheBuck 28618]

13 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Laughing at the retards on the right is the right move.  Gotta come up with more ways to do it.  “They’re weird” doesn’t have enough legs for 100 more days. 

They’re setting the narrative. Now we can just sit back and watch Trump and his cultists being weird. They’ll keep reinforcing the message organically. 

[Js1 83679]

A lesson from Venezuela (and 2022 midterms): 

Maduro and his party used poll-spamming by low quality pollsters showing him in the lead to muck up the averages/narratives and make it look he was legitimately winning 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13318]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

I genuinely don't think an amendment is going to be fruitful, it's too easy to block and all the (R) states will simply out of spite

Two aspects. One the ability to actually get an amendment passed. Two, getting the Republicans to agree that they do not want common sense laws/amendments. Given this is an election thread, I see the latter as a great issue for the Democrats. For Harris, having Biden push an agenda gives her great control of the issue on the campaign trail. If something is popular, she and Biden can put her out front of it. If something is not as popular, Harris can ignore it.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Biden going after other issues that would prove to be popular. Like marijuana legality reform. 

[Brisketexan 103656]

48 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

Don't the MAGAs love that "makers vs. takers" line?  Cities are, and have been for decades, the economic engine of this country.  The LIE about how "hardworking rural farmers on their tractors, people of the land" are the bedrock of our nation is just that.  A lie.  Not that EVERYONE isn't important, and not that EVERYONE doesn't have a role.  They do.  But the "makers vs. takers" shit is and always has been a lie.  

7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

always make fun of Fascists, because they absolutely hate being laughed at

And this.  It's part of how you handle bullies.  Mock them, laugh at them, and when the time is right, punch them in the fucking nose and laugh at them when they go down like a piece of tissue paper.  These aren't "alpha badasses."  They're a collection of weird, socially maladjusted losers.  Treat them as such.  Relentlessly.

[MissingInAction 24431]

11 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

keep it up until trump's head explodes and he goes off 

 

 

This.

They know exactly what they're doing. 

I can't believe I just typed that.

[RomaVicta 29589]

3 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Some folks are not taking all these uppity females consolidating their power well:

 

 

 

 

Is there anything more masculine than seeking to dominate women by calling on oppressive legislation and oppressive religious cults? How weak of man are you to:

• Fear domination by others and fantasize about dominating a woman or anyone else?
• Patheticially call for outside help to do so?
• Fear getting to know women?

Women are generally nice. Smile and talk to one of them. Your terror will subside as you get to know one. You'll find that in many ways you are her equal, maybe.

Then I get to dominate them?

Only by means of force  (doubtful in your case) which decency, your god, and the law, which makes us civilized, forbid. I know it hurts your head, but think of this as though the positions were reversed. Oops, I forgot, your terror lies in the situation being reversed. Never mind that. Still, abandon thoughts of domination. 

Maybe try persuasion with women. Look it up in the dictionary and practice, practice, practice.

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

I genuinely don't think an amendment is going to be fruitful, it's too easy to block and all the (R) states will simply out of spite

Respectfully, I hate defeatism in this form. Let's not even try because likely the effort will fail.

The same was said about investigating or prosecuting Trump. An investigation won't do anything. He'll never be prosecuted. Even if he is nothing will happen. Further, there were those who said the same thing about impeachment of Trump. He won't be convicted and expelled, so why bother?

Things have been achieved by all of those actions. All the shit Trump has done is in the record and public. The Jan 6 Congressional Investigation brilliantly collected and presented evidence. That result alone made the effort worthwhile. The same with the prosecutions: they lay out the crimes of this swine. Here, we even got convictions.

Push the Amendment. At worst you lose, but nobody dies. At best, you put an end to using the law to threaten the republic and citizens.

Edited July 29 by RomaVicta

[Js1 83679]

Presidential candidates use elections to lobby for things al the time that have no chance of passing.

Biden using this to generate a conversation, get some Dems in Congress on record, use it as a wedge against the GOP, is great.

If anything, it *could* lead to something much more “palatable” being proposed in the next Congress that has a chance of passing, i.e., maybe some people balk at term limits but that leads to mandatory retirement age on the judiciary or something. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19262]

11 hours ago, HOOKEM4 said:

60k for the white dudes for Kamala tomorrow. The women more than doubled that. That is why we need women in leadership. They actually do shit.

Over 70K this morning. I signed up last night. 

[chainsaw 9668]

1 minute ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Over 70K this morning. I signed up last night. 

Does this include Latinos or Asians?

[honolulu horn 6156]

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Does this include Latinos or Asians?

Sounds very MAGA, but I'm signed up

[wildcat09 28563]

49 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Laughing at the retards on the right is the right move.  Gotta come up with more ways to do it.  “They’re weird” doesn’t have enough legs for 100 more days. 

"They're creeps" should be next.

[texasdago 7465]

7 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Does this include Latinos or Asians?

A Latina call was held last week... there's been a series of these grassroots calls taking place to fundraise, organize volunteering and raise support.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-grassroots-organizers-raise-millions-online-campaign-first-week/

 

[RomaVicta 29589]

2 hours ago, austingirl said:

Lots of good stuff in that segment. "Aging is not a conspiracy."

Regarding Walz with Stephanie Ruhl (who wouldn't want to be in a room with her?):

I was reminded of Washington when Walz articulated concisely what Biden's act of handing over power meant in terms of who we are.

I have a thing for George Washington. He had people whom he owned and put to slave labor. Terrible. He did arrange to free them. Mildly mitigating? It's not for me to decide that.

In Cincinnatus, Gary Wills' book about Washington and the Enlightenment, Wills writes that Washington was the most famous and revered man in the Western World. Statues of him were erected all over the place, often on columns. 

Washington is not portrayed as a general. He is in elegant mufti (a word I love) or civilian dress. He is most often portrayed extending a scroll. Washington was a hero for handing over the power and leadership of the state. I hadn't thought of just how breathtaking that is in a world of kings and queens and sultans.

We, up until the last time, have taken pride in the peaceful turnover of office ever since. Well, those paying attention have. Lyndon Johnson did it but the consequences were not so grave. I quibble with why LBJ did it, but that's for another time.

Biden seeing the fate of the nation in balance and knowing that he had won a victory against the anti-republican hate cult was ready to enter battle again confident that he could rise to the occasion again. When urged by people he trusts, he handed off the lead to Harris. It is an act more famous and worthy than winning a presidency.

Joe Biden is a great man.

Edited July 29 by RomaVicta
pronoun confusion. It's like a virus and must be eradicated at ever opportunity

[texasdago 7465]

4 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

Sounds very MAGA, but I'm signed up

Electing a female black president... totes MAGA.

[Js1 83679]

6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

"They're creeps" should be next.

Kamala calling every state-level abortion ban a “Trump abortion ban” is great marketing too. 

[jimmyjazz 45211]

Krav MAGA

* not sure how to work that into a message

[RomaVicta 29589]

38 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

They’re setting the narrative. Now we can just sit back and watch Trump and his cultists being weird. They’ll keep reinforcing the message organically. 

It's that simple. They've set the frame that Trumpists are weird, so that's what a lot of people will see when it presents itself. It's like the illusory ebil lib Rush and the boys invented except that this frame is based in actual truth and easily observed evidence.

I would one day like to know the coordination of this wave of new Dem speakers who are moving to the front. To what degree, if any, was it planned to frame the Trumpists this way and using what language. If it is planned, it's brilliant. If it's not planned, it's brilliant.

[wildcat09 28563]

It can and should be said in many different ways with the focus on different aspects of Trump's character and Project 2025, but the gist of Democratic messaging should be that every Republican is a weird little creep because they're all socially maladjusted and irresponsible, and they want to push women out of public life and back into the home because the men are incapable of taking care of themselves or their families and need to be able to force women to do that for them.

['stache 21591]

17 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

"They're creeps" should be next.

They should probably find a way to mix up the wording on essentially the same message. I'm just waiting for some young liberals to start whining because "weird" is something that people started to take pride in as in somewhat different in a good way. The context here is of course easy to see, but the "purity test" segment of the young progressives will always find something to avoid participating in the process while failing to see what we're facing if this election is lost.

[jimmyjazz 45211]

It's not enough to simply push back on the right's bizarre obsession with subjugating women.  The men on the left need to testify to the strength their mothers, sisters, and wives (well, not Pete) exhibit in keeping their family life on track.  Our household would completely fall apart if not for my wife, because I'm relentlessly single-minded and would do shit like forget to pay the mortgage or get the cars inspected (oops), but she handles it all AND works a full time job.  This isn't ephemeral fluff, this is a fact -- women multitask better than men and are often great leaders because of it.  They sure don't need to be relegated to "trad wife" roles or whatever that bullshit of the week is.

Edited July 29 by jimmyjazz

[Js1 83679]

That was a reach. I hope you didn’t pop your shoulder out of the socket on that one 

[miguelito 11116]

3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

They should probably find a way to mix up the wording on essentially the same message. I'm just waiting for some young liberals to start whining because "weird" is something that people started to take pride in as in somewhat different in a good way. The context here is of course easy to see, but the "purity test" segment of the young progressives will always find something to avoid participating in the process while failing to see what we're facing if this election is lost.

They're totally not brat.

 

(Did I do that right?)

['stache 21591]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Great move by Biden to go for constitutional amendments for removing presidential immunity and term limits for the Supreme Court. Look forward to the gop stance how both are bad.

there are some good aspects to having an old, lame duck president. They can go after legacy items and not worried about future elections or lining their own pocket.

 

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

I genuinely don't think an amendment is going to be fruitful, it's too easy to block and all the (R) states will simply out of spite

I'm not seeing how term limits are a solution to the SCOTUS problem we're currently facing. It will still be a crap shoot about who is in office when the term is up, and the electoral college is still problematic because only republicans can win the office without the popular vote. Not to mention that confirmation lies with the Senate, which is also unfairly gives small red states way too much power. I think it's also a legitimate concern that the amendment could never, ever, in a million years pass the states. It would be another line of attack in 2028 that Biden/Kamala/Dems "lied" by not implementing term limits for SCOTUS-remember, most voters are morons and don't see the nuance of putting it out there vs. getting it passed, and have no understanding about the limits of presidential powers (a problem that has driven me crazy for decades when it comes to presidential campaigns). I think it would be far more feasible and effective to add seats to the court, because that can be done if you win Congress and doesn't require an amendment to the constitution. It's also very much justified after Moscow Mitch literally stole a pick from Obama. 

[Old Freak Nasty 697]

52 minutes ago, Js1 said:

A lesson from Venezuela (and 2022 midterms): 

Maduro and his party used poll-spamming by low quality pollsters showing him in the lead to muck up the averages/narratives and make it look he was legitimately winning 

This is one of the things I theorized in this thread while Biden was still in the race and why I still felt that he'd win.  A lot of the poll results didn't add up and I thought that all the results couldn't be explained by non-response and small sampling.  I thought there were some intentionally poorly designed polls skewing results for a specific GQP objective but didn't dig deep enough to try and find reporting or evidence of it.

[Zonahorn 7972]

 

[Hank Kingsley 20151]

8 minutes ago, 'stache said:

They should probably find a way to mix up the wording on essentially the same message. I'm just waiting for some young liberals to start whining because "weird" is something that people started to take pride in as in somewhat different in a good way. The context here is of course easy to see, but the "purity test" segment of the young progressives will always find something to avoid participating in the process while failing to see what we're facing if this election is lost.

"goofy" has entered the chat 

 

[Mdhorn 5838]

23 hours ago, Okie State said:

I'd love to hear Trump's plan to lower grocery prices. I'm sure it's well thought out and full of details.

Here comes another temporary $100 monthly tax cut, while trying to ensure a permanent cut for the rich.  Time to lift the yoke to readjust the straps.  You'll feel better but the yoke will be heavier upon its reissuance.    

[DigglerontheHoof 20599]

Creepy needs to be a mainstay, as well.  Weird. Goofy. Creepy:  the GQP in 3 words.

[Hank Kingsley 20151]

If Trump ever mentioned grocery store prices in a debate, I would ask him if he's ever been in a grocery store in his life. 

 

1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Creepy needs to be a mainstay, as well.  Weird. Goofy. Creepy:  the GQP in 3 words.

Add in "sus" for the younger crowd. 

[CooterBrown 17762]

Krav MAGA
* not sure how to work that into a message

Craven MAGA.

[Red Five 40455]

I'm reminded, obviously, of the line in Independence Day, when one dude says "The Americans are mounting a counter attack" and another dude replies "It's about time." It's about fucking time, dems. 

[Zonahorn 7972]

Holy shit

[Firemans4Horn 17256]

1 minute ago, Zonahorn said:

Holy shit

 

[Js1 83679]

More positive press

 

 

[Zonahorn 7972]

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13318]

1 minute ago, Zonahorn said:

Holy shit

It was Trump's idea and Biden went along with it. The problem is that there is no clean way to unoccupy a country that doesn't want your way of life. To me, both Biden and Trump own the withdrawal debacle but what was the alternative? 

not to mention that the failure goes back to Bush in that he invaded a country with a withdrawal plan that we would be greeted as liberators. spoiler alert: we weren't.

[Brisketexan 103656]

35 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Is there anything more masculine than seeking to dominate women by calling on oppressive legislation and oppressive religious cults? How weak of man are you to:

• Fear domination by others and fantasize about dominating a woman or anyone felse?
• Patheticially call for outside help to do so?
• Fear getting to know women?

Women are generally nice. Smile and talk to one of them. Your terror will subside as you get to know one. You'll find that in many ways you her equal, maybe.

Then I get to dominate them?

Only by means of force  (doubtful in your case) which decency, your god, and the law which makes us civilized forbid. I know it hurts your head, but think of this as though the positions were reversed. Oops, I forgot, your terror lies in the situation being reversed. Never mind that. Still, abandon thoughts of domination. 

Maybe try persuasion with women. Look it up in the dictionary and practice, practice, practice.

Bottom line, these guys are fucking absolute losers with zero appeal to females, and it makes them ragey.

"You won't pair-bond with me?  Fine...I'll MAKE you pair-bond with me!"

They hate women, and want to subjugate them, because women won't bend to their every whim and will.  Now, ONE way of mitigating that would to 1) not be such over-the-top creepy weird dickheads, so 2) you actually have some appeal to women.  But...that's clearly beyond them.  So, imposing a government-enforced social order that forces women to be with them....that's what they're going with.

LOSERS.  That's what the GQP is - LOSERS.  Dudes who can't get fucking dates with any female with an ounce of self-esteem/self-respect.  And never will.

[G650 13335]

6 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

Holy shit

I have always had a grudging respect for Bolton's not giving a shit. I mean, the dude never saw a brown person he didn't want to bomb, but he is always straight shooting.

[texasdago 7465]

2 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

 

I dunno... sounds pretty MAGA to me

 

[ConferenceRoom 6080]

2 minutes ago, texasdago said:

I dunno... sounds pretty MAGA to me

 

"We are honest, open, and ready to support our first black woman president." 

I can tell you've got your finger on the pulse of MAGA. 

[Gatorubet 29789]

38 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

It's that simple. They've set the frame that Trumpists are weird, so that's what a lot of people will see when it presents itself. It's like the illusory ebil lib Rush and the boys invented except that this frame is based in actual truth and easily observed evidence.

I would one day like to know the coordination of this wave of new Dem speakers who are moving to the front. To what degree, if any, was it planned to frame the Trumpists this way and using what language. If it is planned, it's brilliant. If it's not planned, it's brilliant.

Do you know what else is in play?

Making people think to themselves, “I don’t want other people to think I’m weird…”

[Mdhorn 5838]

23 hours ago, immamac said:

Buttigieg doesn't have baggage that isn't known and actually matters for credentials getting shit done. 

He's done an incredible job with transportation and it's biggest budget in decades. It cannot be understated how much he's changed so fast and how much he's deployed in a measurable and productive way. 

But he kissed his spouse on stage and a big chunk of the population felt uncomfortable.  And you know how they are with uncomfortable history books, so they basically would push the same agenda against Pete indoctrinating their kids.  I can't speak for the minority populations, but would they be accepting?  I love Pete, but am wondering if America is ready for an openly gay VP, or even President first, and second, why take the risk when you have others that are great too?