2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Fudge Nuggets 19025]

5 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Brother, people have been shitting their pants about things that don't affect them directly for centuries. It is absolutely an issue that mainstream Americans care about and one she is going to get absolutely hammered on. So yes, people who have fears about it, valid or not, want to know her position on it. 

Madam vice-president, what's your stance on the border?

Harris:  Don't hire illegals, stay away from drugs, don't engage with sex traffickers.  Next question.

[Foosters 17664]

46 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

And the thing is that if you're a conservative who doesn't want your kid exposed to what you consider degenerate content, this is exactly the type of thing you should tell your kid about something like this. That's boring and they'll just go "huh, ok" and forget about it. But if you get angry and start ranting about how it's filthy and they're not allowed to see it, what the fuck do you think they're going to want to do? 

Monitor your porn usage?

[Js1 84305]

Just now, The Dog said:

It's about calling out Trump and the GOP for not being serious about solving their biggest issue. They had a deal to address it and TRUMP KILLED IT BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WOULD HURT HIM POLITICALLY.

 

Also she doesn't HAVE to hold onto that promise to pass the same exact border bill, because if Dems win the House, Presidency and the Senate goes 50/50 (-Machin, Tester/Brown/Gallego/Baldwin/Slotkin/Casey/Rosen all win), then they can pull out the best parts of the bill and pass their own version.

[Loch Ness Monster 3529]

Hopefully they are creating ads around this:

 

 

[Chopper 16923]

Took an extra 10 seconds to find this

[mdmost 42562]

1 minute ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Madam vice-president, what's your stance on the border?

Harris:  Don't hire illegals, stay away from drugs, don't engage with sex traffickers.  Next question.

And on the easy follow-up to that: Madam vice-president, what's your plan for the border?

Because no plan is not a plan just to appeal to a minority of progressives who apparently want nothing to be changed at the border.

['stache 21618]

I'm for open borders (within reason, like check in at the border and check in every now and then), but I know it's not a winning position, even among most democrats and even some real liberals. I'm not a big fan of the Biden/Harris position on immigration, but I also know the political realities, and they are doing and saying what has to be done and said to win this election, which is of paramount importance.

[elguapo 4555]

2 hours ago, Enchubben said:

 

Perhaps I should be more specific. This is art.

This is art, yes even with the nudity.

Not art.

So a guy who picked his username based on getting a boner from 18 year old High School football players choosing his preferred college football team is crying about what the French chose to include in their Olympics opening ceremonies, do I have that right?

[mdmost 42562]

6 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

All of you who think immigration is a losing issue for her, please point out which of any of these measures is a bad thing to try to enact?

[Loch Ness Monster 3529]

You heard the orange man. Blame the killed border deal on Trump.

 

 

[Js1 84305]

3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

All of you who think immigration is a losing issue for her, please point out which of any of these measures is a bad thing to try to enact?

Democrats approve of every issue by 59% or higher.  BILL BAD! 

[G650 13391]

8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

it's not about being "tough on the border" you fucking twit.

It's about calling out Trump and the GOP for not being serious about solving their biggest issue. They had a deal to address it and TRUMP KILLED IT BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WOULD HURT HIM POLITICALLY.

She's pointing out that Trump and the GOP only exist to bitch and complain and not actually solve problems. It's powerful and effective for swing voters who are the ones who will decide this election.

[MissingInAction 24463]

1 hour ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Make sure you keep your precious spawn away from all museums then. They might catch glimpses of some naughty things 

So enchubben thought he saw a ball sack then became enchubbenned, and that France's fault?

[Fudge Nuggets 19025]

6 minutes ago, mdmost said:

And on the easy follow-up to that: Madam vice-president, what's your plan for the border?

Leave it up to the states, you know state's rights and all that shit.  It seems only one state has a problem so maybe they can take pointers from those that don't.

[Brisketexan 103785]

11 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

And to be clear, here's how to read that.

1) Most Americans support these sort of measures (at least the first half of them listed).

2) Of the measures that don't get majority support, the reason that is the case is because Republicans don't support them because they are not tough ENOUGH.

FFS, this is a good slate of policies to most Americans, and support would be even HIGHER if Republicans hadn't been fed a non-stop diet of "all brown people are bad" for the past 25 years.  The fringe who thinks "no, these are too draconian" is even less relevant than the GQP fringe that thinks any policy short of "shoot them all at the border" is pussy weakness.

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1 minute ago, MissingInAction said:

So enchubben thought he saw a ball sack then became enchubbenned, and that France's fault?

balzac?

france?

fault?

 

FRENCH LITERATURE, PIERRE!!!!!!!!!

[Tuco 5066]

6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

My two cents re the immigration talk: I agree with chainsaw in that I liked Beto's messaging better and the Dems behavior toward the border under Biden has been Dumb Politics by giving in to GOP framing on the issue. But I just don't really have a problem with Kamala picking up the "Trump is the one who fucked up immigration reform" message at this point. The sad fact is that even many Democratic voters are pretty low-key racist when it comes to immigration (because Dems have fucked the messaging on this so badly for so long).  We've only got 100 days and we're not changing anyone's minds in that period. Saying "hey we had a solution and Trump fucked it up" and redirecting to other issues we're better on is the right politics right now. If we get a trifecta any immigration bill isn't going to be nearly as bad as what was agreed upon because Republicans won't have the leverage they had this year and it's known now that they don't believe in their own proposed solutions. 

I agree with pretty much all of that.  

This discussion started as whether a Kamala immigration commercial should be on-line or broadcast.  I said on-line, because I think it's a message that should be targeted, rather than a central theme, because it is divisive within the Democratic Party. I think Biden's approach was too Republican and I am sure more labor-oriented Dems would say it didn't go far enough.  I think Harris has to address it, but she needs to be extremely cautious.  

 

[mdmost 42562]

1 minute ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Leave it up to the states, you know state's rights and all that shit.  It seems only one state has a problem so maybe they can take pointers from those that don't.

How do you think our stupid state and that broke dick fuckface at the top would treat the border and the people crossing it if he was allowed to? It is absolutely a federal issue and requires a federal response. And it's not just Texas. It's Arizona, New Mexico, California, and Florida. 

[Old Freak Nasty 784]

As a card carrying member of team Walz, I'm coming around to the idea that Beshear is probably a better pick.  Walz unencumbered of being on the ticket can likely be a more galvanizing force to the electorate as a surrogate.  Beshear can effectively communicate Harris' message and doesn't need to have the juice Walz does as he's just supporting Harris.

I'd be fine with Shapiro as well, but I think like Walz, maybe being unencumbered also helps Shapiro help the campaign because he's got juice similar to Walz and maybe it's just better to let both of them loose, no limitations.

Beshear as VP and Walz and Shapiro as surrogates optimizes the value of all three of them.

[Js1 84305]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

How do you think our stupid state and that broke dick fuckface at the top would treat the border and the people crossing it if he was allowed to? It is absolutely a federal issue and requires a federal response. And it's not just Texas. It's Arizona, New Mexico, California, and Florida. 

This.  I'm very against giving states leeway on the border.  It is a border between the United States and another country - therefore, it is a federal government issue.  Why would a Harris admin just give Abbott more leeway to be extra cruel??

[mchookem 15592]

1 hour ago, Zonahorn said:

 

oh just fuuuck this guy

 

[Tuco 5066]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And to be clear, here's how to read that.

1) Most Americans support these sort of measures (at least the first half of them listed).

2) Of the measures that don't get majority support, the reason that is the case is because Republicans don't support them because they are not tough ENOUGH.

FFS, this is a good slate of policies to most Americans, and support would be even HIGHER if Republicans hadn't been fed a non-stop diet of "all brown people are bad" for the past 25 years.  The fringe who thinks "no, these are too draconian" is even less relevant than the GQP fringe that thinks any policy short of "shoot them all at the border" is pussy weakness.

Just so we are clear, what percentage do you consider the "fringe"?  25% of Democrats?  Am I getting that right? 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1262]

8 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

So enchubben thought he saw a ball sack then became enchubbenned, and that France's fault?

He can't go to heaven now. You expect a Christian to forgive that?

[Fudge Nuggets 19025]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

How do you think our stupid state and that broke dick fuckface at the top would treat the border and the people crossing it if he was allowed to? It is absolutely a federal issue and requires a federal response. And it's not just Texas. It's Arizona, New Mexico, California, and Florida. 

I’ll just go back to my original point. I don’t give a flying fuck about the border and think people that shit their pants over it are pussies that got hood-winked by good old fashioned propaganda.   I’m sure there’s some bad shit going on down there and those that live close to the border have reasons to be concerned. But some jackass in Iowa worrying about the border is just weird. 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1262]

Just now, Fudge Nuggets said:

I’ll just go back to my original point. I don’t give a flying fuck about the border and think people that shit their pants over it are pussies that got hood-winked by good old fashioned propaganda.   I’m sure there’s some bad shit going on down there and those that live close to the border have reasons to be concerned. But some jackass in Iowa worrying about the border is just weird. 

From what I've seen, the people who actually live in border cities seem to be the most liberal toward the border.

[cactusflinthead 27278]

28 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Saying "hey we had a solution and Trump fucked it up" and redirecting to other issues we're better on is the right politics right now

Fucking this.

We tried to fix the Border issues and he shitcanned it. Hammer it home. There are quotes aplenty attesting to this fact.

[WhatTheBuck 28643]

44 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

(I realize it wasn’t the Last Supper, but they don’t know that.)
 

[Dahobbs 17274]

3 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I’ll just go back to my original point. I don’t give a flying fuck about the border and think people that shit their pants over it are pussies that got hood-winked by good old fashioned propaganda.   I’m sure there’s some bad shit going on down there and those that live close to the border have reasons to be concerned. But some jackass in Iowa worrying about the border is just weird. 

I think pretty much everyone on this thread agrees with this. But it isn't relevant to the current discussion. It may be weird, but it is a concern for voters and has to be addressed. And from a governing standpoint it should be addressed because there are actual problems. And from a humanitarian perspective it should be addressed because the current situation creates adverse conditions for both those migrating and those already here. 

[mdmost 42562]

4 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I’ll just go back to my original point. I don’t give a flying fuck about the border and think people that shit their pants over it are pussies that got hood-winked by good old fashioned propaganda.   I’m sure there’s some bad shit going on down there and those that live close to the border have reasons to be concerned. But some jackass in Iowa worrying about the border is just weird. 

Cool. Well we've done next to nothing about fixing our immigration system in over 20 year so people can actually legally get into the country faster so I'm sure things will remain exactly the same and what she says makes zero difference. 

Edited July 31 by mdmost

[Firemans4Horn 17431]

1 hour ago, Zonahorn said:

 

“mediocre millennial journalists”

 

[Js1 84305]

54 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Why would the WH condemn another country's opening ceremony?  It wasn't anti-American. 

Imagine if Iran or Saudi Arabia were mad about our opening ceremony in 2028? I can tell you what the GOP response to that would be:

[Leeroy Jenkins 2343]

19 hours ago, Js1 said:

 

They just don't stop.

He is a classmate on mine from USNA.  Sigh.  

[Js1 84305]

3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Cool. Well we've done next to nothing about fixing our immigration system in over 20 year so people can actually legally get into the country faster so I'm sure things will remain exactly the same and what she says makes zero difference. 

Every time there's a good bipartisan solution (Bush's guest worker program, Obama's Comprehensive Immigration Reform, Biden's bipartisan border bill), the far right nukes it into oblivion. 

[Pato del Muerto 52130]

16 minutes ago, mdmost said:

How do you think our stupid state and that broke dick fuckface at the top would treat the border and the people crossing it if he was allowed to? It is absolutely a federal issue and requires a federal response. And it's not just Texas. It's Arizona, New Mexico, California, and Florida. 

Abbott hasn’t done shit for Texas’ northern or eastern borders. Those people just come over at will.  Some of them may be good people, I guess. 

Edited July 31 by Pato del Muerto

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1262]

Just now, Leeroy Jenkins said:

He is a classmate on mine from USNA.  Sigh.  

Well if he couldn't get the wiccans out of the Navy, how does he think he can get them out of California as a senator from Virginia?

[DixonHur 10882]

31 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

That is 100% where I'm at regarding Beshear.  With the racial (not racist but racial) horse trading we have going on here, Beshear appeals directly the white suburban voters (women) and one reason is because he's good looking and has a good looking family.  (Let's be honest, looks matter here.  Harris is good looking and telegenic, too.)  These passive white voters will start paying attention in September and October and they'll see this:

Typical elitist white family adopting a black dog.

I kid, I kid... the only reasons I have Beshear lower than Walz (pending deep dive into his past) is that he's always either been a lawyer or politician, and I remember the pubs talking about some potential ethics issues when he was a lawyer.  I think it had something to do with allegations of helping his dad's friends... and no, the irony is not lost on me.  But that was like 5 years ago, so I could be remembering wrong.

I mean, I still voted for him back then, but just something to keep in mind. 

[Post Oak 20163]

57 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

"You're a weird guy Mike"

-Diamond Joe Biden

[chainsaw 9699]

34 minutes ago, Chopper said:

This photo is from 2011 when she was CA AG

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think they also showed her the tunnels, and from there it's an easy leap to conclude that fences/walls aren't failsafe. If you're pissing your pants because you think she may have made up a trip to the border, I'm thinking you're better off posting on 4chan or somewhere. 

I'm glad she can back it up. But holy shit this would have been worse than "inventing the internet." And I would feel much better if we had actual video of her walking the tunnels

[Aqua Buddha 14301]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Typical elitist white family adopting a black dog.

I kid, I kid... the only reasons I have Beshear lower than Walz (pending deep dive into his past) is that he's always either been a lawyer or politician, and I remember the pubs talking about some potential ethics issues when he was a lawyer.  I think it had something to do with allegations of helping his dad's friends... and no, the irony is not lost on me.  But that was like 5 years ago, so I could be remembering wrong.

I mean, I still voted for him back then, but just something to keep in mind. 

Are you from Kentucky?  I know he does a great job of getting otherwise right leaning whites to vote for him.  Why is that?

[Dahobbs 17274]

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm glad she can back it up. But holy shit this would have been worse than "inventing the internet." And I would feel much better if we had actual video of her walking the tunnels

What the fuck is wrong with you? 

[aggie08 20582]

5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm glad she can back it up. But holy shit this would have been worse than "inventing the internet." And I would feel much better if we had actual video of her walking the tunnels

Are we all done with your completely made up hypotheticals now?

[mdmost 42562]

3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

What the fuck is wrong with you? 

He's about to go on ignore. Tired of suffering self-sabotaging fools on here. Get on the fucking team and help us win the ballgame. 

Edited July 31 by mdmost

[Js1 84305]

Just now, mdmost said:

He's about to go on ignore. Tired of suffering self-sabotaging fools on here. 

He’s been there. I just can’t with this shit 

['stache 21618]

I have yet to see a downside, or even potential downside, on Walz. 

[Dahobbs 17274]

46 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

That is 100% where I'm at regarding Beshear.  With the racial (not racist but racial) horse trading we have going on here, Beshear appeals directly the white suburban voters (women) and one reason is because he's good looking and has a good looking family.  (Let's be honest, looks matter here.  Harris is good looking and telegenic, too.)  These passive white voters will start paying attention in September and October and they'll see this:

I think people underestimate how much the "good looking" thing also drove Beto's campaign in 2018. 

[Dbeasy 14808]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

I only care about her winning the election. She's making a huge tactical mistake by trying to focus on the party's weakness.

 

57 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Get it together, man. Good grief. 

 

 

 

Thank you chainsaw for providing your perspective on the dangers of scaring away progressives by focusing on issues where Harris is seen as weak. 

I’ve had a few more hours to contemplate your perspective and I’m happy to report that I have now changed my views. Whereas before I felt like any progressive that fails to vote is in some ways dumber than magas, I am now certain that they would be dumber than magas. 

Harris, as Republican point out, has the most liberal voting record in all of Congress. If THAT still isn’t good enough for progressives, then they should all just pack up and move to a socialist country.  

And her spending just a bit of time to counterbalance that Republican talking point is hugely valuable to bringing in independents and the few unsatisfied republicans that are out there claiming they will vote Democrat. 

Your entire premise is thusly rejected.  

[Js1 84305]

1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

I think people underestimate how much the "good looking" thing also drove Beto's campaign in 2018. 

And how much everyone hated Ted

[Chopper 16923]

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

worse than "inventing the internet." 

This is also exhausting. 

Did Al Gore Say 'I Invented the Internet'? | Snopes.com

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Despite the multitudinous derisive references to the supposed quote that continue to be proffered even today, former U.S. vice president Al Gore never claimed that he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The legend arose from critics and pundits who plucked a relatively credible statement Gore made during the course of an interview, altered its wording, and stripped it of context to make it seem a ridiculously self-serving falsehood.

I realize this may be difficult to realize but republicans have been making shit up, and the media has willingly broadcast their bullshit since at least the early 1990s and the days of Newt Gingrich. 

[Hank Kingsley 20193]

I'd be good Beshear but don't understand the thinking that he has everyman vibes. He looks like a model for North Face vests with a single digit handicap. 

[RomaVicta 29595]

3 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

The same people complaining about a blurry ballsack on their screen for 2.5 seconds that they screen shotted and zoomed in on are voting for president pussy grabber. They are the most disingenuous, unserious people.

France set the bar for opening ceremonies to the Olympics. It's not even close. They were inclusive of other countries and many aspects of modern life. They blended old and new with genius. It was a fantastic show. 

I'm sure your kids were thinking, "Hey, I came here to try to watch an athletics opening ceremony! Where is the painfully slow march of athletes into a stadium and the endless drone of the TV host? I don't need no fun, thought-provoking, visually rich, unique multi-media presentation centered on a river through one of the world's most beautiful cities!"

Your kids wouldn't have last a half hour of the traditional snooze fest. I know that I never do.

3 hours ago, Pancho said:

 

Wouldn't they do this even if choosing a governor were a possibility rather than a certainty? Just seems like smart planning to me.

Also, I'm not at all anxious about the choice. It will seem like a big deal for one day, then we move on.

 

56 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Do you think the border has no issues? We absolutely have a smuggling issue at the border? That's not only people looking for a better life. Some of it is people who are in forced labor situations. Some of it is drugs making it into the country. Do you think Eagle Pass or El Paso are enjoying being way stations for migrants? We have to clean up the entire system and make it where people don't have to rely on coyotes to get them into the country. She is more likely to bring that than anyone else. She is going to push for more technology and agents at the border to make the system better. You can't stick your head in the sand about the situation to our south. It is a problem and it needs fixing. 

Those cities and other towns who carry the weight of immigration from the south should not have that responsibility. This is a federal issue, and the feds should pony up with money and some sort of rational, new plan. Money is the thing the government cannot be cheap about; it's cruel in its disposition towards the people coming here.

• This is a social services problem not a military one.
• Part of the problem is slow processing and court decisions due to overworked agents and judges.

Create a federal presence large enough to lift every source of burden to local communities off of them. Set minimum standards for detention housing that are at least  humane.

Increase the number of agents and courts although greater social service presence should relieve some of things the agents are forced to do such as providing immediate care for exhausted and possibly ill immigrants.

None of this will happen because of the malign way Trump has vilified immigrants. He should be tossed in a volcano for that alone.

 

 

52 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Wow. The GOPs have found the way to fourth-rate sophistry.

 

49 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I want her to win, dude. She's acting like she's ahead. She ain't.

Yes. The last thing you want to see in the potential leader of the country is the confidence of a winner. Also, you're overusing ain't as an intensifier. 

22 minutes ago, mdmost said:

All of you who think immigration is a losing issue for her, please point out which of any of these measures is a bad thing to try to enact?

Careful, don't want to drift too far towards old politics. This is more of a tank battle than the civilized and wise discourse you suggest and I lament.