2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Red Five 41847]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Can't Shapiro and Kelly vigorously campaign and help win AZ and PA without being VP? I still don't understand why you have have to pick one of them in order to win either state. 

 

This is where I am when I'm in "Don't overthink this, just pick Pete and set him loose" mode.

[Texas Flood 1386]

1 hour ago, TexEx15 said:

 

Pelosi wants to go for the kill and maximize down ticket voting. Kamala shouldn't overthink this.

[Covri 6389]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Isn't Harris doing sit-downs with the VP candidates this weekend? I doubt they gave the go ahead to put together a video like that.

And yeah, I'm sure it accidentally "leaked".

Leaked so hard it’s still pinned at the top of her Twitter page 2 hours later! 
 

The post below it is the same video just without the Shapiro stuff added, and it was posted July 26th.

[Js1 87401]

Just now, Covri said:

Leaked so hard it’s still pinned at the top of her Twitter page 2 hours later! 
 

The post below it is the same video just without the Shapiro stuff added, and it was posted July 26th.

I would bet they have something similar for all the candidates. No need to slap something together on Sunday night 

[jimmyjazz 47456]

48 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There's a lot of work in the political science field on this topic and the easiest way to characterize it is that the VP pick matters, but not in the sense of delivering a discrete result from a place or group. Where it seems to have the greatest effect is in positively or negatively reflecting on the judgment and priorities of the Presidential candidate, in that it's a reflection of what they think is important. 

In that context, it would seem most of the big names being floated for Harris' VP carry very little risk, no?

[Gil Bang 26316]

Pete's risky. 

[gmr548 16704]

1 hour ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Bidens a great man! You can just tell he cares deeply about the USA. *eagle screeching noise*

Less than 5% of men in his position would have made the same move. You normally only get to the top of the top if you have a gigantic ego, right?

Biden's legacy rides on this election. If Trump wins he is the guy who could have stabilized the country but held on too long and acquiesced to a new dark age.

If Harris wins, he is the most legislatively accomplished POTUS in generations, put up multiple major foreign policy wins (Israel is and will be even more of a red flag with the benefit of hindsight to be fair), and the guy who swallowed his pride and passed the torch to his VP to ensure the continued viability of the republic.

[Mo Horn 8977]

Just now, Gil Bang said:

Pete's risky. 

Sadly, because he is by far the best for the job. 

[Gil Bang 26316]

 

[Gatorubet 30897]

51 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Thank you that's very kind. 

There's a lot of work in the political science field on this topic and the easiest way to characterize it is that the VP pick matters, but not in the sense of delivering a discrete result from a place or group. Where it seems to have the greatest effect is in positively or negatively reflecting on the judgment and priorities of the Presidential candidate, in that it's a reflection of what they think is important. 
in other words - of course it helps if your VP is popular in a battleground state and how much is a matter of degree, BUT it's hard to find an example of a VP "delivering" a close or battleground state. Bentsen didn't deliver Texas, Gore didn't deliver (or subsequently win) Tennessee. Biden already had Delaware, but arguably helped a little in PA.
That said - the VP choice says a lot about the presidential candidate. 

• Palin told the world McCain was desperate and would cater to the weirdos in the GOP.
• Biden told older white people that Obama wasn't a revolutionary.
• Cheney told the money guys that Bush was serious about playing ball. 
• Kaine told America that Hillary couldn't handle a strong #2 and thought she had the election in the bag.
• Vance tells coomers with waifu pillows that Donald Trump understands their loneliness. 

So, part of why I give a slight edge to Walz over Shapiro is that while Shapiro is very popular in a crucial state, Walz conveys the desire to return to normalcy - the idea that it's important to laugh off the madness and go do stuff and be nice people. Shapiro is good at the politics of the moment, but nobody loves those, and conveys to Democrats that this is a must win election, but at what cost?
 

it also becomes important in a race where Methuselah is one or more of the candidates.  Then you move from the vice president being a rare but potential successor - to “he’s probably gonna be the president once Trump strokes out on a hamburder!”

[6th Street 6711]

 

 

 

[gmr548 16704]

8 minutes ago, Texas Flood said:

Pelosi wants to go for the kill and maximize down ticket voting. Kamala shouldn't overthink this.

Part of the benefit of running Harris is that she does poll better nationally, even if she is ultimately a point worse than Biden in terms of structural EC deficit, and that is correlated with success in the House. If Democrats can't win the WH, they have to get the House. I think it's the correct strategic view.

[Gil Bang 26316]

this thread moves pretty fast

[Hank Kingsley 21877]

Just now, Gil Bang said:

Pete's risky. 

I don't think Pete is as risky as Shapiro. 

But the issue is Pete is so talented in so many ways, you don't feel the urgency to pigeonhole him as VP in this moment. He is a policy wonk, great campaigner, quick learner. You could make an argument for him to be the Secretary of anything.  And he's still young. 

Buttigieg will have no hard feelings if he's passed up as VP. He will continue to work hard in whatever other capacity they find for him. 

[linux 1787]

I have the misfortune of knowing about Ian Miles Cheong on another forum long before he became a Musk fluffer, dude is a legit neo nazi, he once described himself as a banana.

[Red Five 41847]

3 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Pete's risky. 

Dems could lean into it, especially considering Team Dotard's response to Harris being, sigh, biracial. 

Like, "For fucks sake people, it's 2024. Yes he's gay. He's very gay. He's very good at being gay, like he's very good at everything he does, because he's basically a perfect human. Stop being monsters." Ok maybe not that but you get my point.

[Firemans4Horn 18552]

This Tim Walz interview with Ezra Klein is refreshing. He’s literally the anti-Greg Abbott. 
 

“I want Minnesota to be the best state to raise kids”

 

and he lists about 20 things they’ve done to improve the lives of mothers, kids and families. Abbott only pro-family agenda is to say “it could have been worse” 2 hours after Uvalde shooting. 
 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447?i=1000664114455

[Gil Bang 26316]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

I don't think Pete is as risky as Shapiro. 

But the issue is Pete is so talented in so many ways, you don't feel the urgency to pigeonhole him as VP in this moment. He is a policy wonk, great campaigner, quick learner. You could make an argument for him to be the Secretary of anything.  And he's still young. 

Buttigieg will have no hard feelings if he's passed up as VP. He will continue to work hard in whatever other capacity they find for him. 

I've advocated here for him to be Chief of Staff

[Js1 87401]

2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

 

 

 

Did you ever read a thread before you post?

[Hank Kingsley 21877]

2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

 

 

 

This has already been debunked and please don't post Ian Miles Cheong bullshit in here. 

[gmr548 16704]

2 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

This Tim Walz interview with Ezra Klein is refreshing. He’s literally the anti-Greg Abbott. 
 

“I want Minnesota to be the best state to raise kids”

 

and he lists about 20 things they’ve done to improve the lives of mothers, kids and families. Abbott only pro-family agenda is to say “it could have been worse” 2 hours after Uvalde shooting. 
 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447?i=1000664114455

I've more or less landed on Walz as the VP pick if I were in charge. Very little downside, both legislative and executive experience to govern, can no doubt connect on the campaign trail in the Rust Belt and in the suburbs. 

But every serious contender is fine, certainly passable and a strong contrast against JD Vance lol.

[Ted Lange 16549]

/Deletes the Tim Pool tweet about Sharpio being picked.

[RomaVicta 30753]

4 hours ago, ROFL BOX said:

I will get the links if you want me to do the work, however I am surprised you aren't aware of Trump [after one of the many mass shootings that have occurred... this particular one during his term in office...] saying "Whe we do, what we have to do is take the guns.   We have to take the guns first & then let the courts settle it.  We take the guns."

 

Trump is the ONLY sitting PotIS to have ☆EVER☆ said anything like that.   EVER.  Not any Presidential candidate has said such a thing, even as a non-candidate & it was dug up from an old clip out of Forget-Landia.

But the 🍊🤡 says it & then the Qcumbers go deaf, deaf / dumb / blind 🙉 🙊 🙈.

 

:Edit: @Bozo_Casanova beat me to it.

 

4 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Yup, and it was legitimately disturbing when he said it because it was another instance of him being perfectly willing to intentionally violate constitutional rights. I may not believe the 2nd amendment is anymore important than rights established in other amendments, but it is still a right. 

This is my tiresome thing about the TV News idiots. Those are huge stories that they didn't cover because it was so far off the template that they decided not to take them seriously. They all succombed to Trump fatigue which is antitheitcal to their profession.

Trump revealed he was anti-republic and had no regard whatsoever for his oath of office. What do they give us?

The country is so polarized. = Both sides.

 

4 hours ago, thepop said:

 

 

4 hours ago, Zonahorn said:

 

So many Dem speakers taking over where journalists failed and where hidebound political discourse crippled their party.  No more stuffy statements about "we are profoundly disturbed at the statements made by former President Trump and we abhor his words."

No. Now they just talk about what's obvious and speak their intelligent minds. Never thought I'd see it.

 

4 hours ago, YGIFS said:

This.  For 20 years, all the Democratic party had was Schumer who vaguely knew what was happening to James Carville basically.  Who, while brilliant and versed and articulate, still came across as a demonic troll.  

Now they've built a bench of about 10 'attack proxies' who can cover anything from Sunday morning shows to late night to opening act for rallies/fundraisers, to attack ads, and everything in between.  Pete, Shapiro, Walz, Crockett, Moskowitz, Rankin, Ted Lieu, Whitmer, et. al.  Seriously good communicators who go on offense while still knowing proper policy defense...and are engaging, even funny, while doing it.  That's a big gulf they just closed the last few years.  

Yep. The old pol's have their templates, too. 

You see all those dusty boxes in the back room? Get rid of 'em. We're starting over.

Edited August 2 by RomaVicta

[randomhorn 2339]

7 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

this thread moves pretty fast

if you blink, you just might miss it

[TexEx15 17972]

 

[Dahobbs 18478]

7 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

That is a really good answer. I disagree that Waltz hasn't shown the same thing, but that is an excellent answer. And I'd like to think citing actual scripture in a concrete way would move some Christian voters that have so far supported DT. I mean, I'd like to think it, but I don't. 

Edited August 2 by Dahobbs

[Ted Lange 16549]

10 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

This guy definitely listened to the Simon Sinek Ted Talk

Edited August 2 by Ted Lange

[Pato del Muerto 53694]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

He’s so dumb that he doesn’t know how to grift off the dumbest people alive.

“the trump’s team” ought to tell you just how truly dumb he is. 

[TheStoicPaisano 9964]

So Rittenhouse caved and is now supporting Trump. Forgiveness from catturd, but not these guys:

 

Edited August 2 by TheStoicPaisano

[Hank_Hill 20149]

10 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Meanwhile.

 

 

 

 

Insert Israel/border control instead of 2nd amendment and this is chainsaw in this thread.

[Sbbruin 22200]

55 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Pete's risky. 

Too risky, especially when you have more qualified candidates.

[Hank Kingsley 21877]

One of many VP candidate meetings she'll be having through the weekend. 

 

[Chopper 17491]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Isn't Harris doing sit-downs with the VP candidates this weekend? I doubt they gave the go ahead to put together a video like that.

And yeah, I'm sure it accidentally "leaked".

The shitty production and content are enough of a giveaway that the video wasn't produced or authorized by Harris's team. 

[Brian Fantana 6882]

7 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Too risky, especially when you have more qualified candidates.

Just not Shapiro. He sucks and is super risky. He won PA by a razor thin margin over a literal freak show that he outspent 3:1.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13768]

Trumps business partner threatening to punch him as far as the early 80s. In the link below, A sports writer reads a letter from the USFL Tampa franchise owner telling off Trump, the NY/NJ owner. No surprise that Trump uses the same playbook back then that he does now.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN4Xxqyj/

 

[randomhorn 2339]

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

One of many VP candidate meetings she'll be having through the weekend. 

 

Maybe it was at a Tatte

[Hank Kingsley 21877]

1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

Just not Shapiro. He sucks and is super risky. He won PA by a razor thin margin over a literal freak show that he outspent 3:1.

Shapiro won by 14 points. But Mastriano was a historically bad R candidate. 

[jimmyjazz 47456]

46 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

That is a really good answer. 

I disagree.  It's mealy-mouthed political gibberish.  No thanks.

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5664]

11 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Meanwhile.

 

 

Kyle should try to stand his ground on this issue, see what happens.

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5664]

1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

 

 

 

I can't imagine what a fucking loser someone would have to be to follow a fucking loser like Ian Miles Cheong, legitimately one of the ugliest nerds on the internet.

[Hank_Hill 20149]

8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

 a Korean American joyfully and  PROUDLY parading around the arena with an American flag. 

 

Well this gif has never been more perfect 

 

edit: looks like this has been covered

Edited August 2 by Hank_Hill

[Sawbonz 28272]

8 hours ago, HenryJames said:

[Firemans4Horn 18552]

9 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Just not Shapiro. He sucks and is super risky. He won PA by a razor thin margin over a literal freak show that he outspent 3:1.

 

[GhostOfTomJoad 9561]

I think it's hilarious that  thumb-sucking, smooth brained murderer Kyle Rittenhouse thinks his endorsement moves the needle for any politician anywhere. 

[Chopper 17491]

"Comics for Kamala" zoom call announced

[Chopper 17491]

Just now, GhostOfTomJoad said:

I think it's hilarious that  thumb-sucking, smooth brained murderer Kyle Rittenhouse thinks his endorsement moves the needle for any politician anywhere. 

True but I think it's more hilarious that Trump and his dick-sucking team spent their day in a panic, talking Rittenhouse into endorsing Trump, even while he's flailing in fundraising, dropping in the polls, and together with the new VP choice who looks the definition of an incel loser, spewing a completely incoherent message.

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5664]

Tim Heidecker is fucking hilarious, I love how he's been shitting on Joe Rogan and Bill Mauer with his youtube show. And his southern rock album about drinking piss is incredible:

 

[Bullneck 19674]

6 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 

Apparently you haven't spent much time in the Israel thread.  

[YGIFS 19460]

5 minutes ago, Chopper said:

"Comics for Kamala" zoom call announced

This looks awesome, but you go to the bit.ly deal and the page is down.  Is there some super-secret way to register?  

[jimmyjazz 47456]

Personally, I'm waiting for the Jon Stewart and Michael Rapaport livestream.