2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Gooby 626]

9 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I listened to about 10 seconds just to hear his voice. WTF was that? He doesn't normally talk like that. 

 

#DonnyDentures

Sounded like he didn't have his teeth in.

[Chopper 16945]

They have this zoom call arranged for Jewish women but I'm wondering if they should've explicitly included older gay gentlemen. 

(It's a Streisand joke if you don't get it.)

 

[Red Five 40469]

5 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yes he does. That's exactly how he talks. 

You are bizarrely argumentative at times. No, I don't normally hear whatever that was when he talks.  

[Pato del Muerto 52139]

I wonder if his dentures are also made of slave teeth. 

[TexasHooch 5106]

6 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yes he does. That's exactly how he talks. 

The content of what he was saying is consistent, but no, he doesn't sound like that usually. Whether it was the microphone, loose dentures, or whatever, he had a heavy, heavy lisp last night.

[Horn Dog 9473]

15 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I listened to about 10 seconds just to hear his voice. WTF was that? He doesn't normally talk like that. 

 

When I close me eyes and listen this is what I see

 

[immamac 41897]

1 minute ago, TexasHooch said:

The content of what he was saying is consistent, but no, he doesn't sound like that usually. Whether it was the microphone, loose dentures, or whatever, he had a heavy, heavy lisp last night.

weird, I didn't notice it, but I may have been too high to care he sounded the same as usual to me, but maybe I also have him half tuned out.

[TexasHooch 5106]

You must have been a special kind of high. Congrats!

 

[DixonHur 10891]

I know that Vance isn't a great replacement, but just from a procedural standpoint, can the GOP remove Trump from the ticket after he's been nominated?

IE if he is deemed to have severe cognitive decline since the convention?

Not asking if it would, or should happen, just trying to understand if it's even possible.

[Ted Lange 15936]

Who is gonna stop them from doing it?

[Red Five 40469]

Well they're gonna try to argue that Harris isn't eligible. It would be funny to watch them make that argument, pre-convention, and then replace Trump post-convention.

"No no that's totally cool though, because reasons."

[atomheartbevo 89123]

18 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I wonder if his dentures are also made of slave teeth. 

 

[The Dog 43599]

My conspiracy theory is that they are riding Trump's pull with MAGA to get the win then they'll use the 25th amendment to replace him with Vance after the inauguration. 

Then Vance can implement Project 2025.

[TexasHooch 5106]

6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I know that Vance isn't a great replacement, but just from a procedural standpoint, can the GOP remove Trump from the ticket after he's been nominated?

IE if he is deemed to have severe cognitive decline since the convention?

Not asking if it would, or should happen, just trying to understand if it's even possible.

It's complicated.

https://ballotpedia.org/State_laws_and_party_rules_on_replacing_a_presidential_nominee,_2024

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Democratic Party rules governing vacancies

 

Under Article 2 of The Bylaws of the Democratic Party, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) has the responsibility to fill vacancies in presidential and vice presidential nominations between national conventions.[8]

In the event of a vacancy on the national ticket, the chairperson would call a special meeting. Under Article 2 § 8(d), questions before the DNC, with some exceptions otherwise outlined in the charter and bylaws, are determined by a majority vote of the DNC members who are present and voting by proxy. The bylaws also state that voting to fill a vacancy on the national ticket must proceed in accordance with procedural rules adopted by the Rules and Bylaws Committee and approved by the DNC.[8]

Republican Party rules governing vacancies

 

Rule 9 of The Rules of the Republican Party provides guidance on how to fill presidential and vice presidential vacancies.[9]

It says that the Republican National Committee (RNC) is authorized to select a new candidate by majority vote or by reconvening the national convention to fill the vacancy. In the former process, the three RNC members from each state—comprised of a state chair, a national committeeman, and a national committeewoman—would be able to cast the same number of votes as the entire delegation from that state to the convention.[9] Under Rule 9(c), if the three RNC members did not all support the same candidate, their votes would be proportionately distributed.[9] For example, each RNC member would cast 13 of Kansas' 39 delegate votes.

Ballot access and vacancies for presidential candidates

 

States require political parties to submit names of presidential and vice presidential nominees and presidential electors in order to certify them for the general election ballot. Deadlines vary by state and are dependent on the election calendar, including early voting, voting by mail, and absentee voting considerations.

Nearly half of the states have a deadline in August, and most require certification or identification of a candidate to fill a vacancy no later than September 6. Replacing a candidate's name on the ballot in September, therefore, becomes increasingly difficult as many states will have already printed ballots or begun to allow voters to cast ballots.

It is possible for parties and election authorities to change or work around these deadlines. For instance, in 2020, the Republican National Convention took place after the deadlines in Alabama and Ohio. In Ohio, the state legislature passed a law to change the deadline that cycle so it took place after the Republican National Convention, and in Alabama, the state's election authority accepted a placeholder letter from the RNC that said the party would certify a nominee once the official nomination took place.[10]

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89123]

3 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

Who is gonna stop them from doing it?

MAGA.  They would see it as a sign of The Deep State.  If they show up to vote at all, it’ll be for RFK, or possibly even Harris as a fuck you to the GOP.

Hell, they will just write him in.

[Tuco 5069]

3 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

Who is gonna stop them from doing it?

It's mainly a question of getting on the ballot in 50+ different voting authorities.  

I think the cleanest path would be to ask people to vote for Trump/Vance with the understanding that Trump would step down the day after the inauguration.  Which he would never agree to.  There is no way to force Trump out now.  

[Beantown Express 2.0 6529]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Well they're gonna try to argue that Harris isn't eligible. It would be funny to watch them make that argument, pre-convention, and then replace Trump post-convention.

"No no that's totally cool though, because reasons."

[Js1 84422]

We're getting a YouGov poll of Texas sometime this week! 

[immamac 41897]

16 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

You must have been a special kind of high. Congrats!

 

dude maybe there's something wrong with me but that's just how I think spaces sound on twitter. The audio processing is just different it's why musks voice sounds strange too.

[Firemans4Horn 17457]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

dude maybe there's something wrong with me but that's just how I think spaces sound on twitter. The audio processing is just different it's why musks voice sounds strange too.

Well then, Spatheth ith a piethe of thit.

[Ted Lange 15936]

Updated #s

[The Dog 43599]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

dude maybe there's something wrong with me but that's just how I think spaces sound on twitter. The audio processing is just different it's why musks voice sounds strange too.

there was a separate audio from someone in the room with trump and he sounded like that. so it wasn't xitter spaces.

[Radical Larry 28483]

I’ve listened to folks on spaces before, and they don’t sound like Kramer on Novocain. 

[Chewbacca 7657]

Who is gonna stop them from doing it?

States have deadlines because they have to print ballots, and mail them out in many states.

[TexasHooch 5106]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

dude maybe there's something wrong with me but that's just how I think spaces sound on twitter. The audio processing is just different it's why musks voice sounds strange too.

It definitely has an effect, I noticed the pitch of his voice was higher. I don't know if that goes for the lisp too though.  And even if that is the explanation, the fact remains that he sounded different from what we are accustomed too.  But here's video of him in the room.  Judge for yourself.  

I hear "tho many millions of people"

[immamac 41897]

there's something not clicking in my brain. I just don't hear a difference from his normal talking, maybe he's always had a lisp to me? anyway done with my derail it's me it's not you.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20306]

[Chopper 16945]

the Daffy Duck/Fascist Monk dialogue on Spaces added just 10 percent to their normal evening traffic. Far fewer users than even on a normal morning.

Walker writes for Talking Points Memo.

 

(Edit) To summarize:

Edited August 13 by Chopper

[Aqua Buddha 14327]

After Trump loses, they should build a replica of the White House at MAL, schedule meetings, interviews, and everything, and just let him think he's president every day.

[Old Freak Nasty 796]

16 minutes ago, The Dog said:

My conspiracy theory is that they are riding Trump's pull with MAGA to get the win then they'll use the 25th amendment to replace him with Vance after the inauguration. 

Then Vance can implement Project 2025.

I don't think this will work.  Vance will probably play along, but his cabinet will be filled with Trump yes men who won't invoke it.

If by some chance they do, Trump will refuse and return to office for 4 days.  The cabinet can invoke it again and the House and Senate will need to vote 2/3rd's each to permanently remove him.  While not impossible, I don't see that as particularly possible.  There will be enough Trumpists in the House that even with full Democratic support (unknown) it will fail.  The Senate, maybe, but they'd need both.

[Firemans4Horn 17457]

1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

After Trump loses, they should build a replica of the White House at MAL, schedule meetings, interviews, and everything, and just let him think he's president every day.

and then build a razor wire fence around the outside and call it “Federal prison”

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1262]

26 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I know that Vance isn't a great replacement, but just from a procedural standpoint, can the GOP remove Trump from the ticket after he's been nominated?

IE if he is deemed to have severe cognitive decline since the convention?

Not asking if it would, or should happen, just trying to understand if it's even possible.

I'm pretty confident that Trump could voluntarily step down if he wanted to. But I don't think there is a way for the party to make him do that at this point.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20306]

1 minute ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

I don't think this will work.  Vance will probably play along, but his cabinet will be filled with Trump yes men who won't invoke it.

If by some chance they do, Trump will refuse and return to office for 4 days.  The cabinet can invoke it again and the House and Senate will need to vote 2/3rd's each to permanently remove him.  While not impossible, I don't see that as particularly possible.  There will be enough Trumpists in the House that even with full Democratic support (unknown) it will fail.  The Senate, maybe, but they'd need both.

Trump yes men see Trump as a means to an end. They're not wedded to him personally. If they see Vance as a much younger, more focused, more energetic way to get what they want. they'll dump Trump in a heartbeat.

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1262]

Just now, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Trump yes men see Trump as a means to an end. They're not wedded to him personally. If they see Vance as a much younger, more focused, more energetic way to get what they want. they'll dump Trump in a heartbeat.

Yeah, but Trump voters see him as Dear Leader. If the party removes him, they will lose the only people still voting for them.

[The Dog 43599]

2 minutes ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

I don't think this will work.  Vance will probably play along, but his cabinet will be filled with Trump yes men who won't invoke it.

If by some chance they do, Trump will refuse and return to office for 4 days.  The cabinet can invoke it again and the House and Senate will need to vote 2/3rd's each to permanently remove him.  While not impossible, I don't see that as particularly possible.  There will be enough Trumpists in the House that even with full Democratic support (unknown) it will fail.  The Senate, maybe, but they'd need both.

He's not picking his cabinet - Theil and Musk will. They already forced him to pick Vance via Eric and Junior. 

[Huckleberry 32554]

24 minutes ago, Tuco said:

It's mainly a question of getting on the ballot in 50+ different voting authorities.  

They can completely ignore dozens of States. There's no point in trying to change the ballot in California, for example.

But I agree it isn't happening. 

[Covri 6183]

[Ted Lange 15936]

 

 

NPC seems to be their new favorite buzzword

[Tuco 5069]

13 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

They can completely ignore dozens of States. There's no point in trying to change the ballot in California, for example.

But I agree it isn't happening. 

Ohio is one of them with a tight schedule.  Here is an old article talking about doing a roll-call vote ahead of the convention to avoid any issue with getting on the ballot in Ohio.  They needed to get it in by Aug 7 to avoid having to force it in the courts.  Fun fact: Walz headed up the convention rules committee which pushed up the roll call vote.  

Edit: I assume the GOP has already sent out the ballot information to Ohio and other states.  Changing it now would be much more difficult.  

Edited August 13 by Tuco

[Pancho 43347]

53-47 in Texas per ActiVote poll

[Firemans4Horn 17457]

4 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

NPC seems to be their new favorite buzzword

Terminally online weirdos. 

[Old Freak Nasty 796]

17 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Trump yes men see Trump as a means to an end. They're not wedded to him personally. If they see Vance as a much younger, more focused, more energetic way to get what they want. they'll dump Trump in a heartbeat.

This would require significant, if not total, Democratic cooperation for removal.  They cannot do it alone.  And if I'm a Democratic rep or Senator, there's a pretty good case to be made to leave Trump in office as opposed to elevating Vance.  Two absolutely horrid choices, but one would result in a spectacular GQP civil war, the other a focused, systemic dismantling of American democracy.

[Js1 84422]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

53-47 in Texas per ActiVote poll

It’s a weird looking poll. I’m more curious about the YouGov one that’s coming this week 

[C-Man 26793]

52 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I know that Vance isn't a great replacement, but just from a procedural standpoint, can the GOP remove Trump from the ticket after he's been nominated?

IE if he is deemed to have severe cognitive decline since the convention?

Not asking if it would, or should happen, just trying to understand if it's even possible.

Trump would burn everything to the ground if they replace him.

Now, if they do a deal where he is the candidate and wins, then steps aside to let JD take the presidency with the promise of a full presidential pardon, maybe, just maybe he'd walk away at that point. Oh wait, no he wouldn't. He renege on the deal. (And the pardon doesn't get him off in Georgia or perhaps Arizona if he winds up in that mess.)

 

30 minutes ago, immamac said:

there's something not clicking in my brain. I just don't hear a difference from his normal talking, maybe he's always had a lisp to me? anyway done with my derail it's me it's not you.

Yeah, the clip above doesn't sound that weird. There's a weird lispy thing at the very beginning but he hits his hard "S" just like he always does on the back end. I am a fan, however, of Denture Don and would like to see that catch on.

[Aqua Buddha 14327]

 

[Chopper 16945]

There's a transcript so you don't have to listen. Many, many baffling, wtf moments. https://singjupost.com/full-transcript-elon-musk-interviews-donald-trump/?singlepage=1

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You know, Russia defeated Germany with us and they defeated Napoleon.

 

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"And by the way, you think Biden could do this interview? Do you think that Kamala could do this interview? They would take a pass. No, they could not. They don’t need Elon. They don’t need Elon screaming out questions."

 

and Elmo

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[Red Five 40469]

 

WTF does that mean? Drop all charges against the felon, just to do him a nice favor?

The asks that they put on democrats while doing whatever the fuck they want never ceases to amaze me.

[C-Man 26793]

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/breathtaking-hypocrisy-nbc-news-reports-on-trump-campaign-asking-media-not-to-publish-hacked-material/

NBC News justice and intelligence correspondent Ken Dilanian:

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But now the Trump campaign is urging news organizations not to use any documents stolen by a foreign government in what some see as breathtaking hypocrisy. And so far, you know, news organizations do not appear to have published any internal Trump documents. But nothing is stopping the hackers from posting them on the web somewhere, which will create a real dilemma for the media if the documents are newsworthy. I mean, nobody wants to help a foreign government influence the election, but if secret documents are leaked onto the internet, lots of people are going to see them regardless of what the media does on them.

 

[aggie08 20618]

Just now, Red Five said:

WTF does that mean? Drop all charges against the felon, just to do him a nice favor?

The asks that they put on democrats while doing whatever the fuck they want never ceases to amaze me.

Yes. It's our fault for not letting Donald Trump get away with all of his crimes (just most of them), thus forcing him to run for President to escape consequences. 

It makes perfect sense after you hit yourself over the head with a hammer.

[Aqua Buddha 14327]

3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

WTF does that mean? Drop all charges against the felon, just to do him a nice favor?

The asks that they put on democrats while doing whatever the fuck they want never ceases to amaze me.

It means he already in the early stages of dementia and as long as he thinks he's president, he'll just pretend.

They did the same thing with his father who had, wait for it, dementia.