2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[HenryJames 67439]

10 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

This needs to be an AZ ad …

 

For Republicans the only bad thing he did was marry a Mexican.

[BrickHorn 18447]

19 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

For Republicans the only bad thing he did was marry a Mexican.

They didn’t know what to think of her, until she sang “Feliz Navidad.”

Edited April 11 by BrickHorn

[Jive Turkey 13016]

 

[atomheartbevo 90665]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Hailey will bend the knee too. 

I don’t know, she knows she’s gonna get the nod in 2028.

[SydneyCarton 49520]

49 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

What did that graph look like in 2018 to 2020, I'm curious?

Edited April 11 by SydneyCarton

[aggie08 21841]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don’t know, she knows she’s gonna get the nod in 2028.

Yeah, I think she's banking on "I was the only Republican to speak out against Trump" finally being a good thing with voters in 2028. We'll see.

[South Austin 53235]

10 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yeah, I think she's banking on "I was the only Republican to speak out against Trump" finally being a good thing with voters in 2028. We'll see.

I don't know about that.  The MAGA nation likely will still be going strong even if Trump is long dead and gone by 2028, and the Republican hopefuls still have to grovel to that base.

[atomheartbevo 90665]

5 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I don't know about that.  The MAGA nation likely will still be going strong even if Trump is long dead and gone by 2028, and the Republican hopefuls still have to grovel to that base.

BMDs will be tired of losing. Hell, they are already tired.

[SydneyCarton 49520]

8 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I don't know about that.  The MAGA nation likely will still be going strong even if Trump is long dead and gone by 2028, and the Republican hopefuls still have to grovel to that base.

I think this election is it. If we get out of this one alive, I think the movement will splinter back into their hole. The right won't get any smarter, they won't change who they are, but they'll fracture, there will be lower turnout, and they'll alter their tactics. They'll continue to play the gerrymander and carry power where they can, but they'll be a national minority and we'll be able to move past them. At least that's my hope. 

In completely unrelated news, I accidentally hit AM this morning, and to my surprise 700 AM in Houston was playing some complete fucking idiot screeching the most right wing hateful shit. Bejing Biden. If we don't have more babies the country is ruined, like China. Women raise bitchy men, and people aren't getting married because there's no manly men left. This was my introduction to Chris Salcedo, who after googling, I learned is the "Liberty loving Latino" and a contributor to newsmax. 

We are beyond fucked. 

Edited April 11 by SydneyCarton

[G650 14447]

15 minutes ago, South Austin said:

if Trump is long dead and gone by 2028

We can only hope

[Gatorubet 30764]

11 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

This needs to be an AZ ad …

 

He was so staunchly anti-abortion that he only married prepubescent children. Why do you libs hate this godly man?

[Brisketexan 106979]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

I think this election is it. If we get out of this one alive, I think the movement will splinter back into their hole. The right won't get any smarter, they won't change who they are, but they'll fracture, there will be lower turnout, and they'll alter their tactics. They'll continue to play the gerrymander and carry power where they can, but they'll be a national minority and we'll be able to move past them. At least that's my hope. 

Your hope is wrong.  There are only two options:

1) Trump wins in 2024, and we never have another actual functional election again.

2) Trump loses in 2024.....and immediately begins his (successful) campaign for the nomination in 2028.  Because yeah, he ain't gonna die.  Not anytime soon.  He'll live to be 95, at least.

Trump is not going away any time soon.  Losing doesn't stop him, because he simply declares that he didn't lose and the base believes him....and the rest of the GQP falls in line.

None of this gets any better until he dies.  That's it.  That's the only thing that can help at all.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

you are a lunatic.

[SydneyCarton 49520]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Your hope is wrong.  There are only two options:

1) Trump wins in 2024, and we never have another actual functional election again.

2) Trump loses in 2024.....and immediately begins his (successful) campaign for the nomination in 2028.  Because yeah, he ain't gonna die.  Not anytime soon.  He'll live to be 95, at least.

Trump is not going away any time soon.  Losing doesn't stop him, because he simply declares that he didn't lose and the base believes him....and the rest of the GQP falls in line.

None of this gets any better until he dies.  That's it.  That's the only thing that can help at all.

[The Dog 44862]

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

I don't know about that.  The MAGA nation likely will still be going strong even if Trump is long dead and gone by 2028, and the Republican hopefuls still have to grovel to that base.

MAGA dies with Trump. It's all about him.

 

[South Austin 53235]

Just now, The Dog said:

MAGA dies with Trump. It's all about him.

I think some of you have an unreasonable level of confidence in this.

[Js1 87223]

1 minute ago, South Austin said:

I think some of you have an unreasonable level of confidence in this.

Yeah there’s plenty of narcissistic amoral, racist, stupid fake billionaires in this country to take up the mantle. It just may not be as successful 

[Red Five 41767]

The scary idea is someone like Trump, but with a brain and some self control. That person doesn't exist yet, I don't think. 

[Brisketexan 106979]

7 minutes ago, The Dog said:

MAGA dies with Trump. It's all about him.

 

 

6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I think some of you have an unreasonable level of confidence in this.

It doesn't die with him.  The base of the movement has been there a long, long time (Tea Party movement, birtherism, etc.).  BUT....its outsized power will go away when he dies.  He has a unique, incredible ability to unify fucking idiots and assholes.  It's objectively one of the most impressive, amazing things I've ever seen.  If it was in service to building a fanbase of the Cleveland Browns, I'd be able to observe it and enjoy it from an academic perspective.  The fact that its in service of a narcissist's plan to destroy a country and perhaps the entire planet in service of his own ego....makes it much less fun.

Other politicians and billionaires will try to duplicate it.  Hell, they already have/are.  Their success has been middling, because Trump is the greatest there's ever been at that particular game.

Trump's death will mean MAGA will have much reduced power.  Which would still be a huge fucking win for humanity.

Edited April 11 by Brisketexan

[Js1 87223]

5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

The scary idea is someone like Trump, but with a brain and some self control. That person doesn't exist yet, I don't think. 

And charisma. That’s the most important part. Hillary lacked it. Cruz and DeSantis both have absolutely zero and it shows 

[Red Five 41767]

Just now, Js1 said:

And charisma. That’s the most important part. Hillary lacked it. Cruz and DeSantis both have absolutely zero and it shows 

He's a stupid oaf, but he does have charisma. And whatever that is that allows him to say and do things that should mortify everyone, but has lifelong republicans going "sure!" to things they supposedly despise. 

[Brisketexan 106979]

Just now, Red Five said:

And whatever that is that allows him to say and do things that should mortify everyone, but has lifelong republicans going "sure!" to things they supposedly despise. 

The GQP has literally flipped its positions 180 degrees on some pretty fundamental matters in no time at all.  It's a jaw-dropping thing to see.

Russia and Putin went from mortal enemies to desired allies and people we should admire and aspire to be more like.  That's one I'll never, ever, ever understand.

['stache 22145]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

BMDs will be tired of losing. Hell, they are already tired.

They could pull the plug on him at any moment. Instead they let him take the nomination and put his family in charge of the party. He obviously still offers them value. Chaos and destroying the rule of law in general comes to mind.

[aggie08 21841]

21 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

2) Trump loses in 2024.....and immediately begins his (successful) campaign for the nomination in 2028. 

We should all want this. Let that two-time loser bound for actual criminal charges dismantle the entire party.

[Js1 87223]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

They could pull the plug on him at any moment. Instead they let him take the nomination and put his family in charge of the party. He obviously still offers them value. Chaos and destroying the rule of law in general comes to mind.

The BMDs could but they’d lose the base for a long time. Every attempt to get rid of Trump, try an alternative, put up their own candidates against his has been met with failure. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

it'd take some hollywood personality going hard right to repeat the success.  if i wanted to repeat the magic of trump, i'd look at about 20 years in the future and find some 40 year old charismatic person to have a series of tv shows that put him in roles where he is always the manly big boss man, then pump him up for the 2044 election.  i don't think all the stuff that trump has exists right now organically. 

[SydneyCarton 49520]

21 minutes ago, The Dog said:

MAGA dies with Trump. It's all about him.

 

 

20 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I think some of you have an unreasonable level of confidence in this.

Yeah, I dont think those people die, I just think a chunk of them go back into the woodword and back to not showing up for elections. Their power reduces. It won't die. But it won't be driving 70 million people to the polls. And I think even the news organizations will regroup as well, Fox News, etc. But we'll see. 

Don't get me wrong, this country is still fucked. But more like, couple dead limbs that we can't amputate, not final stage prostate cancer. 

[The Dog 44862]

The MAGA MOVEMENT dies with Trump. I think some are confusing that with the GOP since they are currently one in the same. 

The hard core Trumpers who Trump brought into the fold will leave, killing the movement. The stain will remain.

[GopherRock 1773]

23 minutes ago, Red Five said:

The scary idea is someone like Trump, but with a brain and some self control. That person doesn't exist yet, I don't think. 

You just described Benjamin Netanyahu.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

Yeah, I dont think those people die, I just think a chunk of them go back into the woodword and back to not showing up for elections. Their power reduces. It won't die. But it won't be driving 70 million people to the polls. And I think even the news organizations will regroup as well, Fox News, etc. But we'll see. 

Don't get me wrong, this country is still fucked. But more like, couple dead limbs that we can't amputate, not final stage prostate cancer. 

 

👎

['stache 22145]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The BMDs could but they’d lose the base for a long time. Every attempt to get rid of Trump, try an alternative, put up their own candidates against his has been met with failure. 

I'm not convinced they really put their support behind DeSantis, Haley, et al. I think he is still good for them for reasons I can only speculate at this point, which I think has less to do with whose actually in office, and more to do with the degradation of American society in general. They just need a huge chunk of average workers to hate the government and to never question the billionaire class. If you dare discuss the causes of extraordinary wealth disparity, you're a woke socialist libtard. 

[safe sex 12036]

Gangrene/sepsis will kill someone faster than even end-stage cancer, just saying. 

Edited April 11 by safe sex

[Js1 87223]

5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I'm not convinced they really put their support behind DeSantis, Haley, et al. I think he is still good for them for reasons I can only speculate at this point, which I think has less to do with whose actually in office, and more to do with the degradation of American society in general. They just need a huge chunk of average workers to hate the government and to never question the billionaire class. If you dare discuss the causes of extraordinary wealth disparity, you're a woke socialist libtard. 

Idk, it feels like in 2016 and in 2024, the BMDs of the GOP have not read the base very well.  

They don't want an alternative to Trump, or even a Trump Lite (aka, not such an open racist and dumbfuck).  You can put up anyone who can disparage wokeness, CRT, trans people, immigrants, and try to package it neatly, but they only care the most when the orange shitgibbon does it.

[Jive Turkey 13016]

Trump is to right wing politicians as Rush Limbaugh is to right wing talk radio.  they are/were each one of one.

right wing talk radio still exists but nobody has been able to fill Rush's shoes, and nobody ever will.  he galvanized the base like no other and paved the way for Trump.  now, radio as a medium has become less important with Twitter/X.  but still, if Rush was alive, he'd still be a major player in stoking the stolen election lie and rallying the troops.

Trump is the same way with the GOP.  he's singular.  no other R can get 75 million voters to come out for him. when Trump is gone, others will try to emulate Trump as much as possible and be the torch bearer for MAGA.  but there is nobody who will be able to do that.  yet.  that's the scary thing.  there will be another Trump one of these decades.  only worse. and more effective.

[SydneyCarton 49520]

10 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Gangrene/sepsis will kill someone faster than even end-stage cancer, just saying. 

I said dead limbs, not gangrene, for a reason. Like withered and not functional, but still there. 

[SydneyCarton 49520]

1 minute ago, Jive Turkey said:

Trump is to right wing politicians as Rush Limbaugh is to right wing talk radio.  they are/were each one of one.

right wing talk radio still exists but nobody has been able to fill Rush's shoes, and nobody ever will.  he galvanized the base like no other and paved the way for Trump.  now, radio as a medium has become less important with Twitter/X.  but still, if Rush was alive, he'd still be a major player in stoking the stolen election lie and rallying the troops.

Trump is the same way with the GOP.  he's singular.  no other R can get 75 million voters to come out for him. when Trump is gone, others will try to emulate Trump as much as possible and be the torch bearer for MAGA.  but there is nobody who will be able to do that.  yet.  that's the scary thing.  there will be another Trump one of these decades.  only worse. and more effective.

Counterpoint, with the decay in intelligence and public education, maybe they won't be more effective?

[Js1 87223]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

Counterpoint, with the decay in intelligence and public education, maybe they won't be more effective?

Right! They’ll just be a bunch of Charlie Kirk or Ben Shapiro level “intellectuals” with higher education from the grift school, I mean, Trump Academy of Not Wokeness  

[Pato del Muerto 53566]

6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I said dead limbs, not gangrene, for a reason. Like withered and not functional, but still there. 

Like a thalidomide person?

[SydneyCarton 49520]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

Like a thalidomide person?

I'm not googling that. 

[Pato del Muerto 53566]

@safe sex knows

[safe sex 12036]

16 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I said dead limbs, not gangrene, for a reason. Like withered and not functional, but still there. 

Oh that kind of dead

Yeah don't Google that

[Rimbo 27070]

18 hours ago, Js1 said:

 

"while these totals are sure to even out"

 

[Rimbo 27070]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Your hope is wrong.  There are only two options:

1) Trump wins in 2024, and we never have another actual functional election again.

2) Trump loses in 2024.....and immediately begins his (successful) campaign for the nomination in 2028.  Because yeah, he ain't gonna die.  Not anytime soon.  He'll live to be 95, at least.

Trump is not going away any time soon.  Losing doesn't stop him, because he simply declares that he didn't lose and the base believes him....and the rest of the GQP falls in line.

None of this gets any better until he dies.  That's it.  That's the only thing that can help at all.

[Fudge Nuggets 19467]

2 hours ago, South Austin said:

The MAGA nation likely will still be going strong even if Trump is long dead and gone by 2028, and the Republican hopefuls still have to grovel to that base.

Tell me more about the bolded part.  It sounds nice.

[Rimbo 27070]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

And charisma. That’s the most important part. Hillary lacked it. Cruz and DeSantis both have absolutely zero and it shows 

 

D&D players get this. He put ALL them points into Charisma, with a few saved for CON. The rest were dump stats.

 

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

He's a stupid oaf, but he does have charisma. And whatever that is that allows him to say and do things that should mortify everyone, but has lifelong republicans going "sure!" to things they supposedly despise. 

 

Oh, they've been doing that for decades, since long before Trump. If there were a point in time where the Religious Right was ever following Jesus, it was long before my lifetime.

[Rimbo 27070]

38 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Trump is to right wing politicians as Rush Limbaugh is to right wing talk radio.  they are/were each one of one.

right wing talk radio still exists but nobody has been able to fill Rush's shoes, and nobody ever will.  he galvanized the base like no other and paved the way for Trump.  now, radio as a medium has become less important with Twitter/X.  but still, if Rush was alive, he'd still be a major player in stoking the stolen election lie and rallying the troops.

Trump is the same way with the GOP.  he's singular.  no other R can get 75 million voters to come out for him. when Trump is gone, others will try to emulate Trump as much as possible and be the torch bearer for MAGA.  but there is nobody who will be able to do that.  yet.  that's the scary thing.  there will be another Trump one of these decades.  only worse. and more effective.

I think y'all who are talking about MAGA dying with Trump are missing what will keep it alive. It's not a political movement; it's a religion. Think of it that way.

[Brisketexan 106979]

4 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

People like you said that to people like me when we were telling you in mid-2021 that he was a lock for the 2024 nomination.

I really think that people won't/can't grasp how powerful Trump and Trumpism are because it's completely irrational.  It doesn't make sense.  It's like asking you to accept that sometimes, things fall up instead of down.  It seems absurd and preposterous, but the reality is that somehow, the laws of physics don't apply to this particular thing.  Overcome your bias towards rationality, and accept the evidence in front of your eyes.  

Trumpism and MAGA don't decline materially unless and until Trump dies.  Trumpism and MAGA are forces of insane irrationality, and they do not follow any laws of rational thought or outcomes.  Their ascendancy is fueled by one source, and until that source is gone, they will continue to roar.

[chainsaw 10300]

14 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

 

[gmr548 16703]

3 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

Bruh imagine betting on Ron DeSantis as the favorite to the the next President of the United States at literally any point in time.

56 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Idk, it feels like in 2016 and in 2024, the BMDs of the GOP have not read the base very well.  

They don't want an alternative to Trump, or even a Trump Lite (aka, not such an open racist and dumbfuck).  You can put up anyone who can disparage wokeness, CRT, trans people, immigrants, and try to package it neatly, but they only care the most when the orange shitgibbon does it.

Trumpism doesn't work when you try to package it in a conventional, consultant-approved political box because that is antithetical to its very nature. It can only work with a circus conductor like Trump.

46 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Counterpoint, with the decay in intelligence and public education, maybe they won't be more effective?

This. Idiocracy was a documentary.

[bolverk 30362]

21 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

I think y'all who are talking about MAGA dying with Trump are missing what will keep it alive. It's not a political movement; it's a religion. Think of it that way.

MAGA = Christian Nationalism = Theocratic Fascism

They're all one and the same.