2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Constant 6548]

Not much of a bumper sticker guy, but this one I found to be quite accurate with this election. 

[Chuckie Finster 22321]

I’m voting for good and against evil.

There’s a lot of words in that post, but these are the only ones that matter. Roughly half the country has been brainwashed to believe this is a superhero battle and the other side must be vanquished. Note the subtle differences in how Fox and CNN or MSNBC describe the “other” team. CNN and MSNBC will bash Republicans, sure, but it’s almost always pointed at politicians or people in power. Fox will always use generic terms like “liberals” or “the left.” Their goal is to make it “us vs them” and it fucking works.
It’s why the claims about appealing to most of them are so laughable. None of this is policy-related. The sheep are told WHO to hate and then they adopt whatever policy positions make that happen.

[GopherRock 1762]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

The Republican Facebook propaganda copy and paste, explaining why Trump doesn’t matter. This is the disinformation that is capturing the dipshits. 

From Facebook:
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I shake my head sometimes with Trump and Twitter, BUT
To all those who say..."I'd vote for anyone but TRUMP... I can't stand him!!" or "I can't believe you're voting for Trump!" Well folks listen up! This is not a jr. high or high school popularity/personality election!! I'm not just voting for the person, I'm voting for the platform! I'm voting for the second Amendment. I'm voting for the next supreme court justice. I'm voting for the electoral college, and the Republic we live in. I'm voting for the Police, and law and order. I'm voting for the military, and the veterans who fought for and died for this Country. I'm voting for the Flag. I'm voting for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored. I’m voting for secure borders. I’m voting for the right to praise my God without fear. I’m voting for every unborn soul.  I’m voting for freedom and the American Dream. I’m voting for good and against evil. I'm not just voting for one person, I'm voting for the future of my Country and our Constitution which was written based on Biblical values and protects our freedoms under God! What are you voting for? 

God Bless the United States of America
                                                                                                     

Copy and paste, I did!!!

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I can’t believe people are so gullible. 

If they actually believed all of this, they would be turning in a straight ticket Democrat ballot.

[Chopper 16620]

https://archive.ph/NPiwW

 

[DaysOff 7683]

Give it up Jason. Their brains are gone and they're never coming back. LBJ said I fear we've lost the southern white man for a generation. He didn't know how long a generation was.

[WhatTheBuck 28613]

35 minutes ago, Constant said:

Not much of a bumper sticker guy, but this one I found to be quite accurate with this election. 

Whole lotta people want to go backward, unfortunately. 

[Slacks 6712]

11 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

 

Full circle. Democrats sounding like Republicans. Freedom, Rule of Law. Accountability. Sounds Conservative. Suspicious.

[locodos 5246]

28 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Full circle. Democrats sounding like Republicans. Freedom, Rule of Law. Accountability. Sounds Conservative. Suspicious.

Only difference is that the Democrats mean it

[Chopper 16620]

33 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Full circle. Democrats sounding like Republicans. Freedom, Rule of Law. Accountability. Sounds Conservative. Suspicious.

What they're doing is focusing on common values, which SOUND conservative, though it's easy to make the case the Q party no longer believes in them. The Democrats have always believed in "conservative" values but far too often in past campaigns and debates they've focused on how they're going to solve various problems.

Edited August 20 by Chopper

[Chopper 16620]

Scientific American with an interesting perspective about debate style. They say Trump's style -- bullying and rapid lies -- are a form of debate known as the Gish gallop, defined in the para below. They then discuss how to counter it. 

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Coined by the National Center for Science Education’s founding director Eugenie Scott in 1994, the Gish gallop takes its name from the creationist Duane Gish, who frequently challenged biologists to debates about evolution. His tactic consisted of talking fast and with confidence, bombarding opponents with falsehoods, non-sequiturs and enough cherry-picked factoids to confuse the audience. Scientists debating him faced the challenge of sifting half-truths from outright lies and finding the right evidence to refute them systematically, all within the few minutes allowed in response. Which effectively meant that when the bell went off, the Gish gallop left the scientist “stumped” and Gish declaring victory for creationism. Such a spectacle leaves the audience less informed than they were before the debate, all at the hands of a debater whose only goal is to discredit their opponent and “win” the debate.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-weird-debate-strategies-come-from-creationist-tactics/

 

[mdmost 42459]

46 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Full circle. Democrats sounding like Republicans. Freedom, Rule of Law. Accountability. Sounds Conservative. Suspicious.

Do you not remember the 1990s? Bill Clinton was all about this...at least for others. Somewhere along the way, the Republicans co-opted freedom and the rule of law. Probably after 9/11. 

Edited August 20 by mdmost

[Blotto 23286]

14 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Scientific American with an interesting perspective about debate style. They say Trump's style -- bullying and rapid lies -- are a form of debate known as the Gish gallop, defined in the para below. They then discuss how to counter it. 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-weird-debate-strategies-come-from-creationist-tactics/

 

If that fat fuck starts stalking her around the stage, she should tell him she can smell his overflowing diaper from 6 feet away and to kindly keep his foul smelling ass on his half of the stage. And then refer to him only as poopy pants for the remainder of the debate.

 

[Tuco 5048]

NE-2 [Remington Research Group Aug14-17]

Harris 50

Trump 42

By comparison, the same polling has these numbers for NE-2 Congress: 

Vargas (D): 44

Bacon(R, Incumbent): 46

I really hope Tony can pull it out against Bacon.  

Nebraska Examiner article

 

 

 

[Chopper 16620]

A former Washington Post reporter's dismantling of the political press. The full article is well worth a read. Link at bottom.

 

 

https://newrepublic.com/article/184990/pundit-brained-media-democratic-convention

[G650 13282]

1 minute ago, Chopper said:

A former Washington Post reporter's dismantling of the political press. The full article is well worth a read. Link at bottom.

 

 

https://newrepublic.com/article/184990/pundit-brained-media-democratic-convention

This is exactly what I have been saying. They are shook

[Js1 83350]

 

 

[Tuco 5048]

14 minutes ago, Tuco said:

NE-2 [Remington Research Group Aug14-17]

Harris 50

Trump 42

By comparison, the same polling has these numbers for NE-2 Congress: 

Vargas (D): 44

Bacon(R, Incumbent): 46

I really hope Tony can pull it out against Bacon.  

Nebraska Examiner article

 

 

 

I should note that Vance is coming to NE-2 today.  So, I imagine the polling will change up after he holds a packed rally and goes to the Valentinos pizza buffet.  Wait..what's that?  Vance is coming to town for the sole purpose going to a $1000/plate fundraiser with the Ricketts family?  That sounds about right. 

[Js1 83350]

Just now, Tuco said:

I should note that Vance is coming to NE-2 today.  So, I imagine the polling will change up after he holds a packed rally and goes to the Valentinos pizza buffet.  Wait..what's that?  Vance is coming to town for the sole purpose going to a $1000/plate fundraiser with the Ricketts family?  That sounds about right. 

Walz should send an order of Runzas to the event 

[Chopper 16620]

[The Dog 43408]

Keep in mind that most don't know jack shit about this atrocity. If it's already that far under water with Independents then this thing is DOA - which is why the Democrats' smart play is to make the GOP own it.

['stache 21564]

If most people still don't know about it, how do you reach them? It's been blasted repeatedly for at least the last two months.

[SydneyCarton 47471]

7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If most people still don't know about it, how do you reach them? It's been blasted repeatedly for at least the last two months.

Talk about it at the fucking debate, and at the DNC, so people can tune in and see it, and google for themselves. Becuase I guarantee you there are a fuck ton of curious people watching harris and walz right now, and will watch the debates, looking for reasons to vote D. 

[The Dog 43408]

17 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If most people still don't know about it, how do you reach them? It's been blasted repeatedly for at least the last two months.

only for those of us wonks who get into this stuff. 

What I'd do:

1. Highlight the worst parts of it that they are most likely to implement;

2. Attach Trump to it (his name is ALL over that document in spite of him lying about not knowing anything about it) - he's also on record as saying he was going to do many of the things documented in it;

3. Blast that all over media until election day. 

[Ghost of LL 15255]

2 hours ago, Slacks said:

Full circle. Democrats sounding like Republicans. Freedom, Rule of Law. Accountability. Sounds Conservative. Suspicious.

Is conservative.  Not "sounds."  Is.

I'm still pretty damned conservative.  I favor free trade and the international financial order that has made the United States of America the dominant financial and mercantile power in the world.  I don't want to repeal our free-trade agreements, rethink the monetary policies that have made the Dollar the world's reserve currency, or entertain the idea of defaulting on our debts.

I favor adhering to our international obligations, from Europe to East Asia.  NATO is the strongest mutual-defense organization in the history of the world, and has preserved the peace in Europe for nearly 80 years, which is the longest that continent has gone without a major war since . . . ever.  And in East Asia, our defense treaties with Japan and South Korea have fostered an economic environment that has led to an economic expansion throughout Asia while enriching Americans.

I favor preserving freedom of thought and expression.  Of ensuring Americans are free to make their own decisions about their property, their religion, and their bodies.

At the same time, I favor preserving the social safety net that we have built up over the past 90 years.  And where there are holes in that safety net, either in its original construction or because new economic developments have torn holes in it, it should be repaired.

All of these are conservative values.  These are the values that would be supported by any conservative party.

But the GQP today is not a conservative party.  It is a reactionary party.  And reactionism is not "conservativism."

27 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If most people still don't know about it, how do you reach them? It's been blasted repeatedly for at least the last two months.

Don't.  People know they don't like it even if they don't know precisely what it is.  "Project 2025" has just become a buzzword for "scary shit that Trumpublicans are going to do if they get back into power."

Use that.  Feed it.  Say "Project 2025" over and over again with ominous and foreboding music in the background.

Just please, for the love of god, don't go into a discussion of Schedule F trying to reach people who you think don't know enough about Project 2025.

[BurntOrange&White 38877]

2 hours ago, Slacks said:

Full circle. Democrats sounding like Republicans. Freedom, Rule of Law. Accountability. Sounds Conservative. Suspicious.

Or sounds normal? Not bat shit crazy like the shit you're hearing for the past 10 years from the other side? It's not Project 2025, ya know the new conservative views? They're playing to the exact crowd they need to play to in order to win the election and to win the house and senate moving forward so that things can actually get fucking done. That crowd being the moderate conservative and undecideds.....

[DigglerontheHoof 20561]

Whenever Project 2025 is mentioned, it needs to be said as "Trump's Project 2025".  Attach his name to it every fucking time. 

[royiv 9044]

37 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If most people still don't know about it, how do you reach them? It's been blasted repeatedly for at least the last two months.

Anyone posting here is much more attuned to politics than the average bear. I have a lifelong friend that fancies himself an independent. He made a comment to me that he wishes that JD Vance was a the top of the ticket for the R’s because he’s younger and less crazy than Trump. This friend happens to have three children as a result of IVF. I’m happily married and childless by choice. I asked my buddy if he was aware of Vance’s views on IVF or on people like my wife and me. He thought I was making shit up because what I was saying was so insane. I sent him some links to back it up and let’s just say it was eye opening for him.

These are the people that we need to reach. There are a lot of people out there who don’t pay attention to politics like posters on this board do. It’s not the MAGA faithful we need to reach. It’s the folks living their lives who just don’t pay attention to this stuff day to day like we do. Find something the resonates with these people, like IVF access in my example, and hammer it. That’s what works.

[Js1 83350]

3 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Whenever Project 2025 is mentioned, it needs to be said as "Trump's Project 2025".  Attach his name to it every fucking time. 

Just like the Trump Abortion Bans 

[softlynow 1620]

5 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Is conservative.  Not "sounds."  Is.

I'm still pretty damned conservative.  I favor free trade and the international financial order that has made the United States of America the dominant financial and mercantile power in the world.  I don't want to repeal our free-trade agreements, rethink the monetary policies that have made the Dollar the world's reserve currency, or entertain the idea of defaulting on our debts.

I favor adhering to our international obligations, from Europe to East Asia.  NATO is the strongest mutual-defense organization in the history of the world, and has preserved the peace in Europe for nearly 80 years, which is the longest that continent has gone without a major war since . . . ever.  And in East Asia, our defense treaties with Japan and South Korea have fostered an economic environment that has led to an economic expansion throughout Asia while enriching Americans.

I favor preserving freedom of thought and expression.  Of ensuring Americans are free to make their own decisions about their property, their religion, and their bodies.

At the same time, I favor preserving the social safety net that we have built up over the past 90 years.  And where there are holes in that safety net, either in its original construction or because new economic developments have torn holes in it, it should be repaired.

All of these are conservative values.  These are the values that would be supported by any conservative party.

But the GQP today is not a conservative party.  It is a reactionary party.  And reactionism is not "conservativism."

Don't.  People know they don't like it even if they don't know precisely what it is.  "Project 2025" has just become a buzzword for "scary shit that Trumpublicans are going to do if they get back into power."

Use that.  Feed it.  Say "Project 2025" over and over again with ominous and foreboding music in the background.

Just please, for the love of god, don't go into a discussion of Schedule F trying to reach people who you think don't know enough about Project 2025.

All of this.

If you actually get a moment to maybe influence a low information swing voter, do it quickly, do it simply, and don't do it in a way that you could be dismissed as Chicken Little. Anyone who doesn't already know what P25 is doesn't have the capacity and/or the willingness to listen to anything that sounds partisan or wonkish. Walz gave the the template. Something something, weird something. Use it, and drop the subject. That's how you get the uninformed on board.

[Aqua Buddha 14214]

Nice hat:

 

[Chopper 16620]

59 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Or sounds normal? Not bat shit crazy like the shit you're hearing for the past 10 years from the other side? It's not Project 2025, ya know the new conservative views? They're playing to the exact crowd they need to play to in order to win the election and to win the house and senate moving forward so that things can actually get fucking done. That crowd being the moderate conservative and undecideds.....

As LBJ observed, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

The meaning of "conservative" began disappearing from the gop's values in the days of Nixon. Reagan and the "moral majority" began the evisceration of the remainder. Once Newt took control it all became about power and control, solely, for that party.

Edited August 20 by Chopper
clarify

[Gil Bang 25651]

2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Nice hat:

 

Sure, but if you wear that, somebody might sit next to you at the sushi bar.

[Js1 83350]

Oh those poor janitors at MAL

 

 

[locodos 5246]

RE: Branding

CSB/  I live in a bright red pocket of a dark blue county...  This past Saturday, the doorbelll rang and I found my state representative (Rep) standing there with some flyers.   I was not prepared and wanted to be polite so I took his flyer, looked it over quickly.  He introduced himself and asked if I had any questions for him.   I asked if he was a Republican, he said yes.  I then told him that HE was the party of Trump and I would not be voting for either of them.  He was a little taken aback, but as a smooth politician he handled it well and turned to walk away.  As I was closing the door, I heard him say He was NOT the Party of Trump he was the party of himself.  It sounded like he was reassuring himself as he walked back down the driveway.

FIN

I hope he thinks about how he and his reputation are stained shitbag orange.   Although he's probably going to be my rep again.  Fuck you Gerrymandering

[Bama Llama 1436]

4 hours ago, DaysOff said:

Give it up Jason. Their brains are gone and they're never coming back. LBJ said I fear we've lost the southern white man for a generation. He didn't know how long a generation was.

They never lost me.  I’ve voted Dem since I registered in 1970.  Like Patches,  I was born and raised down in Alabama.  I’ll vote for a mongrel yellow dog for president before I ever vote for a Republican.  These Zombies don’t know where they’re going or what they’re doing.  Too many fools being led around by National Socialist wannabes and dog whistling talking heads on Fox Hate News, the polar opposite of Enlightenment.

[Chopper 16620]

The "Election Rumor Research" team (at the UW Center for an Informed Public) just set up a new Substack to help communicate rapid analyses of rumors related to election administration and election integrity: https://uwcip.substack.com/p/the-center-for-an-informed-publics   

They will feature rapid analyses of how emerging rumors about voting and election administration are spreading across social media platforms as well as insights into broader patterns in election rumors (e.g. the network structure of online influence, common techniques of content manipulation).

 

[MrBig 5182]

4 hours ago, Chopper said:

https://archive.ph/NPiwW

 

Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood would have been better at reaching Southern whites than Jason Isbell.

[Hank Kingsley 20104]

Someone explain to me how it's legal or acceptable for this to happen. Biden needs to handle this with Netanyahu immediately. 

 

Edited August 20 by Hank Kingsley

[Brisketexan 103601]

Someone explain to me how it's legal or acceptable for this to happen. Biden needs to handle this with Netanyahu immediately. 
 

It’s not legal. It’s a crime. Logan act.

[Hmbre97 6255]

Just now, MrBig said:

Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood would have been better at reaching Southern whites than Jason Isbell.

Nah, Garth Brooks is too woke now for southern whites after he sided with Bud Light last year or whenever that was. 

[Ghost of LL 15255]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

It’s not legal. It’s a crime. Logan act.

 . . . that is never enforced, in part because there are major First Amendment issues with it.

But anyway, yeah--go on you fun Palestinian protestors and tell me how awful "Genocide Joe" and the Democrats are.

[immamac 41718]

9 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Someone explain to me how it's legal or acceptable for this to happen. Biden needs to handle this with Netanyahu immediately. 

 

Its not legal, just like buying cocaine isn't legal. You only get in trouble if you get caught with the bag

[Hank Kingsley 20104]

All I know is Biden looks like an absolute fool letting this happen. Bibi is a criminal looking for a soft landing if Trump wins the election.

Cut off the damn money or force a ceasefire now. 

 

 

 

[Chuckie Finster 22321]

12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Someone explain to me how it's legal or acceptable for this to happen. Biden needs to handle this with Netanyahu immediately. 

 

The case could be made that Trump is now unequivocally a national and global security threat and the SCOTUS has already written that Biden would be well within his legal rights to take care of threats...

[immamac 41718]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

All I know is Biden looks like an absolute fool letting this happen. Bibi is a criminal looking for a soft landing if Trump wins the election.

Cut off the damn money or force a ceasefire now. 

 

 

 

Calm the fuck down. This is an unproven report in the last 48 hours tops. 

[The Dog 43408]

37 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh those poor janitors at MAL

 

 

FAKE NEWS! I HAD ONE THOUSAND TIMES AS MANY VIEWERS MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! - Trump, probably

[Hank Kingsley 20104]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

Calm the fuck down. This is an unproven report in the last 48 hours tops. 

Bibi and Trump met at Mar-A-Lago recently and are talking on the phone as well. It's completely unacceptable and compromises national security. In normal times this would be a massive scandal. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Brian Fantana 6616]

7 minutes ago, immamac said:

Calm the fuck down. This is an unproven report in the last 48 hours tops. 

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. It's pretty well known that Bibi needs Trump to win.

[immamac 41718]

Sure sure sure. So let's get biden to do something drastic and massive on unconfirmed anything. That's definitely the right thing for the president of the United States to do based on rumors and major foreign policy. 

[BurntOrange&White 38877]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sure sure sure. So let's get biden to do something drastic and massive on unconfirmed anything. That's definitely the right thing for the president of the United States to do based on rumors and major foreign policy. 

Do you even presidential immunity brah?