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8 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Met Beto today.  Really nice guy.  Approachable and doing good work 

just a damn shame he had to yell at everyone that he was gonna take their fucking guns away.

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5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Let me terrify you even more: most Texags posters are at least college educated.  What you see on that site is folks who probably fall in the top 1/3 of education and intelligence.

You truly cannot conceive of how stupid Americans of average/median intelligence are.....let alone the fucking HALF of Americans who are BELOW median intelligence and education.  "Stupid" doesn't even scratch the surface of how fucked we are.

Yep. Stupid is a big part of the problem. But there's more to it imho. Look at the myriad, daily straight up lies, false claims, unkeepable promises, race-baiting, fear-mongering, hate-mongering, misogyny, abject nonsensical crazy talk, promoting insurrection, using lies to demonize groups of people based on immigration status and indeed skin color, killing the immigration bill because it might help Biden while also helping with the problem, vote suppression, setting up future unrest with the talk that 'If I lose, the election is rigged', saying people who openly disagree with the supreme court should be in jail,  etc, etc, etc.
 
The list goes on and on. As most of you know, I'm only scratching the surface here. Trump talks so much craziness and utter stupidity each day that it's just become par for the course.  His base doesn't fact-check anything he says and they just buy into it hook, line, and sinker ... because he's saying what they want to hear:  'All of your problems are someone else's fault, and if we get rid of them, we'll all live in a worry-free paradise'. Sound familiar?
 
One candidate is a typical politician. The other is unhinged. That's the choice we're looking at. It's not a difficult one at all. It's patently obvious to anyone with two working brain cells to rub together, who's been paying even the slightest bit of attention, that Trump is unfit for office. I've never seen a more obvious example of 'unfit for office' in my life.
 
 
 
God bless the 'undecided' voter in this election. How do they even get through a typical day? Bless their little hearts.

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Every PA poll post-debate.  Trump has not led in a single poll 

Q-pac: Harris +5 / +6
MassINC: Harris +4 / +5
Siena: Harris +4
Monmouth: Harris +3
Focaldata: Harris +3
F&M: Harris +3
Suffolk: Harris +3
Morning Consult: Harris +2
Marist: tie / Harris +1
Wapo: tie / Harris +1
Redfield: tie
Muhlenberg: tie
Emerson: tie
RMG: tie
Susquehanna: tie

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19 hours ago, C-Man said:

Nightly walk update — some new Harris/Walz signs up in neighborhood. Harris households now outnumber the orange shitstain on our two mile route, 12-5. (I am under no illusion that we are flipping Texas.)

So in my neighborhood, which is pretty consistently 2/3rds Democratic, I've seen two Trump signs.  One is a handwritten sign of crazy.  The other is a campaign sign just next to the old beater pick-up truck in the driveway that is really very incongruous with the neighborhood.

A quick thought on that Trump sign, if you haven't seen those campaign signs.  It's blue, for one.  And that strikes me as odd in a world in which red has become the universally understood color of the GQP.  But for another, the font size is very small.  Shockingly small for something that says "TRUMP" on it.  It almost implies a certain shame--"I'm putting out this yard sign, but I don't actually want to advertise that I'm voting for that guy."

There are houses in the neighborhood that always have their GQP campaign signs out, no matter whether the candidate at the top of the ticket is Trump or Cruz or Abbott, but which don't have anything right now.  Maybe it's just too early.  I don't know.

And I think all this is meaningless.  But it's interesting to observe on an otherwise-slow Wednesday.

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That will be the next criticism.  "How can voters understand this? It's too technical and wonky" 

IT'S FOR YOU FUCKING SHITBAGS IN THE MEDIA TO EXPLAIN TO VOTERS SINCE YOU DEMANDED SPECIFICS

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Trump said today that Ukraine is completely destroyed, and that it will take centuries to rebuild it. Also, every nation on Earth could pool their money together, and it wouldn't be enough to rebuild Ukraine. 

Of course.
Except it’s not, not even close. Most cities are just fine. Some damage, but fine. Kyiv still stands, e.g.
And gee…have we ever seen a European country that took even more damage than Ukraine? I guess the answer is “no,” if you don’t consider England, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Russia, and several others after WWII. Seems to me they were all rebuilt in a few decades, without bankrupting earth.
There’s nothing he says that’s not wildly false or wrong. Not a single thing.
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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:


Of course.
Except it’s not, not even close. Most cities are just fine. Some damage, but fine. Kyiv still stands, e.g.
And gee…have we ever seen a European country that took even more damage than Ukraine? I guess the answer is “no,” if you don’t consider England, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Russia, and several others after WWII. Seems to me they were all rebuilt in a few decades, without bankrupting earth.
There’s nothing he says that’s not wildly false or wrong. Not a single thing.

Subtext being, obviously, "Well it's destroyed, so might as well just give it all to Russia now!". 

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2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

So in my neighborhood, which is pretty consistently 2/3rds Democratic, I've seen two Trump signs.  One is a handwritten sign of crazy.  The other is a campaign sign just next to the old beater pick-up truck in the driveway that is really very incongruous with the neighborhood.

A quick thought on that Trump sign, if you haven't seen those campaign signs.  It's blue, for one.  And that strikes me as odd in a world in which red has become the universally understood color of the GQP.  But for another, the font size is very small.  Shockingly small for something that says "TRUMP" on it.  It almost implies a certain shame--"I'm putting out this yard sign, but I don't actually want to advertise that I'm voting for that guy."

There are houses in the neighborhood that always have their GQP campaign signs out, no matter whether the candidate at the top of the ticket is Trump or Cruz or Abbott, but which don't have anything right now.  Maybe it's just too early.  I don't know.

And I think all this is meaningless.  But it's interesting to observe on an otherwise-slow Wednesday.

My neighbor on one side has like 50 pieces of his nazi flare all over his front yard and the neighbor on the other side is some sort of Travis County Democratic party admin and has his single Harris sign. I hate them both and just have my Astros flag flying. If the bullets start flying I am going to make for damn sure they know this yard is a DMZ. Pretty sure they both know I am crazier than a shithouse rat.

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4 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I grew up in OK, so I probably had that moment a few years before you had.  I remember sitting there thinking, why should I respect adults, when so many of them are fucking stupid...

Sitting in OK right now.  Was shocked to see that OK was one of two states where every single county went to Trump.  Even majority Native American counties.  WTF.  

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27 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Sitting in OK right now.  Was shocked to see that OK was one of two states where every single county went to Trump.  Even majority Native American counties.  WTF.  

Okie City and Tulsa are purplish.  The rest of the state is MAGAstan.

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43 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

My neighbor on one side has like 50 pieces of his nazi flare all over his front yard and the neighbor on the other side is some sort of Travis County Democratic party admin and has his single Harris sign. I hate them both and just have my Astros flag flying. If the bullets start flying I am going to make for damn sure they know this yard is a DMZ. Pretty sure they both know I am crazier than a shithouse rat.

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15 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Okie City and Tulsa are purplish.  The rest of the state is MAGAstan.

As of today 6 Harris signs on my street and none for Trump. There was a Trump flag about a half mile south but I think it’s gone now. Next closest was about 3 miles south. He’ll still win the county but it’ll be mostly straight party line voters.

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3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

So in my neighborhood, which is pretty consistently 2/3rds Democratic, I've seen two Trump signs.  One is a handwritten sign of crazy.  The other is a campaign sign just next to the old beater pick-up truck in the driveway that is really very incongruous with the neighborhood.

A quick thought on that Trump sign, if you haven't seen those campaign signs.  It's blue, for one.  And that strikes me as odd in a world in which red has become the universally understood color of the GQP.  But for another, the font size is very small.  Shockingly small for something that says "TRUMP" on it.  It almost implies a certain shame--"I'm putting out this yard sign, but I don't actually want to advertise that I'm voting for that guy."

There are houses in the neighborhood that always have their GQP campaign signs out, no matter whether the candidate at the top of the ticket is Trump or Cruz or Abbott, but which don't have anything right now.  Maybe it's just too early.  I don't know.

And I think all this is meaningless.  But it's interesting to observe on an otherwise-slow Wednesday.

I saw a blue dotard sign that looked like it was half the size of a normal sign. 

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5 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I saw a blue dotard sign that looked like it was half the size of a normal sign. 

You mean like folded in half along the horizontal bias to hide the Pence?  
 

I saw a nice big sign on fence posts a couple of weeks ago driving in Republic, WA and they had carefully painted blue over the Pence lettering so it was Trump on top and a ton of empty blue space below. 

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10 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

You mean like folded in half along the horizontal bias to hide the Pence?  
 

I saw a nice big sign on fence posts a couple of weeks ago driving in Republic, WA and they had carefully painted blue over the Pence lettering so it was Trump on top and a ton of empty blue space below. 

A neighbor had a Trump/Pence sign that they had covered up the Pence.   

They were out in their yard the other day while I was walking the dogs and asked "Wait, Pence isn't running with Trump against Biden?   How come?" 

I got a nasty look and kind of a snide "Are you serious?"   

I replied with "Yeah, I don't pay attention to politics at all."   

The retort was "Trump isn't even running against Biden.  You didn't know that?"

Me... "Nope, like I said, I just don't pay attention" and proceeded on my way.  

I'm pretty sure my neighbor was incredibly pissed off.  

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2 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Does Trump know 82 words?

Almost certainly. If Trump is 1/2 as smart as a dog, or a baby, that still gets him up above 80:

(BBCMaestro)"In his seminal 1994 work, The Intelligence of Dogs, he writes that a typical dog can learn around 165 words, and some super-bright sparks can pick up closer to 250 human terms. As an interesting comparison, a typical two-year-old (human) child knows about 200 words. Like a human baby, your dog learns by association." 

Also, though his speech is garbled, it is generally recognizable as English. Long ago a polyglot told me that you could "speak" a language by learning only 80 words, so long as they were the right 80 words. The fact that Trump can manage a 3rd grade level of English makes me think he's got more than 82.

(teachsafeschools.org) "But by this point, they are 3000 to 4000 words behind more advantaged children. Children in third grade at the lowest 25% have an average of 2500 root words, while those in the highest 25% have an average of 6000 to 8000 words."

I have a hard time believing Trump could actively use thousands of words. I think it likely that he has a solid 100 that he pulls up and uses constantly, bigly, and then a vast stew of semi-familiar words he would never be able to use properly himself. We haven't touched on this, but I bet Trump, like any other mammal, draws in lots of information from the tone of voice he is addressed in, or from familiar gestures that evoke comforting memories. Perhaps, like an ant, he gets many of his social cues from following scent trails.

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