2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

Baboontyme · October 15

Where do the smart people here stand on this? Already been discussed? Fear porn?

https://hartmannreport.com/p/does-trump-have-a-2024-blueprint-6f8

Pancho · October 15

16 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

People care a fuckload about money. They really think Trump is better for their wallet. Putting his signature on all those stimulus checks was smart.
Also those people are dumb as a box of rocks, because unless you’re rich he isn’t helping you.

There’s no way 45% of the country is that racist / sexist.

royiv · October 15

8 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I’m a brown dude who visits OK and some outposts in TX a few times a year with my green eyed blonde wife. We are always blown away by how hospitable people are. They’re scared of the boogeyman that doesn’t exist. The propaganda works. There is no way that % of the country is virulent racist/sexists - as Red described above.

Do you think the fact that you are a very wealthy physician and businessman has anything to do with that?

Brisketexan · October 15

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

We are not doing this again. Stop saying 45% to the country. It’s 45% or so of the voting population, so like 30% of the country

Yeah.....and among the non-voting portion of the population, a shitload are ignorant racist pieces of shit who aren't even intelligent enough to get out and vote. It's 45%....and honestly, likely more.

Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

Sure. There’s a ton of racists / sexists. 10’s of millions. I still don’t buy 30%+.

Way underbidding. The problem is that folks define "racism" solely as "genuinely hateful, would burn a cross in a yard" types. No. Racism didn't just include Germans who actively wanted to exterminate jews. It also included all the Germans who were aware of the hatred, and were willing to go along with it because hey, they're jews. In fact, it's the second group -- the group that is willing to go along with it and support leaders/parties who are actively making it happen -- that is ESSENTIAL for the worst aspects of a racist society to manifest.

And yes, there is cognitive dissonance and inconsistency within countless individuals. "Good and decent guy, would give you the shirt off his back, goes out of his way to help people" is also the "and he also believes we should mow down brown people at the border till the Rio Grande runs red" guy. Any of us who grew up in the south knew the anti-black version of that guy. Shit, that guy might even go out of his way to HELP some black people ("Jim's a good fella, he's worked at the hardware store for years, I want to help him out while his wife is sick")....while demonizing black people as lazy and inferior in literally his very next breath.

Racism is much more ingrained, pervasive, and even passive than people want to think. We are not nearly as good a people as you want to believe we are.

C-Man · October 15

21 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

People care a fuckload about money. They really think Trump is better for their wallet. Putting his signature on all those stimulus checks was smart.
Also those people are dumb as a box of rocks, because unless you’re rich he isn’t helping you.

There’s no way 45% of the country is that racist / sexist.

But probably a higher percentage of that is like legit stupid.

SydneyCarton · October 15

7 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I’m a brown dude who visits OK and some outposts in TX a few times a year with my green eyed blonde wife. We are always blown away by how hospitable people are. They’re scared of the boogeyman that doesn’t exist. The propaganda works. There is no way that % of the country is virulent racist/sexists - as Red described above.

What you're experiencing is the last vestiges of what I would call...habit. Texas always prided itself on being friendly, open, welcoming people. You cant rub that out of everyone's subconscious in just one generation, but we're trying really hard to do such. OK is probably similar. And just becuase they smile to your face, possibly through their teeth, doesn't mean they aren't resenting your brown money'd ass with a hot fucking wife they should be theirs, and shaking their head that the world has gone mad.

You're making the mistake of thinking that these people, who are fundamentally corwards, would spit in your face and wear their distate for all to see. But they won't becuase they're cowards. They don't have the balls to show you what they think of you to your face. They closest they can get is how they vote and waving a Trump flag around becuase it offers JUUUUST enough of a veneer of plausible deniability.

And I'd like to point out that you saying propoganda works means...they believe the boogeyman. That's tacit agreement that they're racist and sexist. Just because they're also pussies who revert to the habit of being cordial doesn't mean they're good people. Evangelicals say they do their horrible virulent shit in the name of God. Do you believe that too?

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

We are not doing this again. Stop saying 45% to the country. It’s 45% or so of the voting population, so like 30% of the country

I'm not sure what makes you think that the demographics of virulent racist would be somehow different for the non-voting portion of the country. If anything, it might be way fucking worse. 45% seems fine.

SydneyCarton · October 15

9 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Sure. There’s a ton of racists / sexists. 10’s of millions. I still don’t buy 30%+.

I mean 30% would be tens of millions...come on man, we know you can can't to tens of millions just from personal experience.

Bozo_Casanova · October 15

I had to walk into my meeting, but the Bloomberg/ECC interview was getting wild when I took out my earbuds. He was busy telling Bloomberg‘S EIC that he had been “wrong” his whole career about tariffs.

Edited October 15 by Bozo_Casanova

ChiTownDoc · October 15

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

I mean 30% would be tens of millions...come on man, we know you can can't to tens of millions just from personal experience.

Yes. I am agreeing. There ARE 10’s of millions.

ChiTownDoc · October 15

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

What you're experiencing is the last vestiges of what I would call...habit. Texas always prided itself on being friendly, open, welcoming people. You cant rub that out of everyone's subconscious in just one generation, but we're trying really hard to do such. OK is probably similar. And just becuase they smile to your face, possibly through their teeth, doesn't mean they aren't resenting your brown money'd ass with a hot fucking wife they should be theirs, and shaking their head that the world has gone mad.

You're making the mistake of thinking that these people, who are fundamentally corwards, would spit in your face and wear their distate for all to see. But they won't becuase they're cowards. They don't have the balls to show you what they think of you to your face. They closest they can get is how they vote and waving a Trump flag around becuase it offers JUUUUST enough of a veneer of plausible deniability.

And I'd like to point out that you saying propoganda works means...they believe the boogeyman. That's tacit agreement that they're racist and sexist. Just because they're also pussies who revert to the habit of being cordial doesn't mean they're good people. Evangelicals say they do their horrible virulent shit in the name of God. Do you believe that too?

I'm not sure what makes you think that the demographics of virulent racist would be somehow different for the non-voting portion of the country. If anything, it might be way fucking worse. 45% seems fine.

There’s a LOT of that. Just don’t think it’s as high as many others do.

SimonBolivar · October 15

Oct. 15, 2024, 11:54 a.m. ET1 hour ago

Theodore Schleifer

One of the main pro-Trump field operations has not raised as much money as it set out to, per new campaign-finance filings. The super PAC Turnout for America aimed to raise $45 million for a ground game, but it raised only $18.5 million through the end of September. The group was set up by allies of Senator JD Vance of Ohio.

speed817 · October 15

18 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

green eyed blonde wife

we need to verify this.....

Pancho · October 15

As I got older, I found more White people who will exhibit microaggressions towards myself and other Blacks/Latinos while simultaneously having Black Lives Matter and LULAC/Cesar Chavez posters hanging up in their offices.

I don’t know what that means so y’all need to figure it out

SydneyCarton · October 15

12 minutes ago, Baboontyme said:

Where do the smart people here stand on this? Already been discussed? Fear porn?

https://hartmannreport.com/p/does-trump-have-a-2024-blueprint-6f8

I mean, it's not porn I can get hard to, but you have to think he's going to try every single angle.

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yes. I am agreeing. There ARE 10’s of millions.

Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

There’s a LOT of that. Just don’t think it’s as high as many others do.

Tens of millions, or 90 million, would be 30%.

SimonBolivar · October 15

Just now, Pancho said:

As I got older, I found more White people who will exhibit microaggressions towards myself and other Blacks/Latinos while simultaneously having Black Lives Matter and LULAC/Cesar Chavez posters hanging up in their offices.

I don’t know what that means so y’all need to figure it out

I had a dude in an Aggie hat this morning drop a hard J in my office. It was awkward.

Edited October 15 by SimonBolivar

Brisketexan · October 15

Just now, Pancho said:

As I got older, I found more White people who will exhibit microaggressions towards myself and other Blacks/Latinos while simultaneously having Black Lives Matter and LULAC/Cesar Chavez posters hanging up in their offices.

I don’t know what that means so y’all need to figure it out

Not complicated:

People think that virtue-signaling thus gives them carte blanche to be shitty.

It's the more refined version of someone being racist as shit and then saying "but I can't be racist, I have black friends."

Just now, SimonBolivar said:

I had a dude in an Aggie hat this morning drop a hard J in my office. It was awkward.

Jigger?

SydneyCarton · October 15

Just now, Pancho said:

As I got older, I found more White people who will exhibit microaggressions towards myself and other Blacks/Latinos while simultaneously having Black Lives Matter and LULAC/Cesar Chavez posters hanging up in their offices.

I don’t know what that means so y’all need to figure it out

Have you considered the fact that you're just all pricks??

All joking aside, you work in Academica, a Che Guerva poster is probably just signal switching or some shit so they don't get ridiculed at work parties.

'stache · October 15

5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

What you're experiencing is the last vestiges of what I would call...habit. Texas always prided itself on being friendly, open, welcoming people. You cant rub that out of everyone's subconscious in just one generation, but we're trying really hard to do such. OK is probably similar. And just becuase they smile to your face, possibly through their teeth, doesn't mean they aren't resenting your brown money'd ass with a hot fucking wife they should be theirs, and shaking their head that the world has gone mad.

You're making the mistake of thinking that these people, who are fundamentally corwards, would spit in your face and wear their distate for all to see. But they won't becuase they're cowards. They don't have the balls to show you what they think of you to your face. They closest they can get is how they vote and waving a Trump flag around becuase it offers JUUUUST enough of a veneer of plausible deniability.

And I'd like to point out that you saying propoganda works means...they believe the boogeyman. That's tacit agreement that they're racist and sexist. Just because they're also pussies who revert to the habit of being cordial doesn't mean they're good people. Evangelicals say they do their horrible virulent shit in the name of God. Do you believe that too?

I'm not sure what makes you think that the demographics of virulent racist would be somehow different for the non-voting portion of the country. If anything, it might be way fucking worse. 45% seems fine.

There's some of that, but also plenty of people who genuinetly respect the dark skinned minority that made it to the board room or otherwise succeeded, but use it as evidence that institutional racism doesn't exist. If this guy made it, it just proves that the rest of "them," you know those on the north side, are just lazy and predisposed to being criminals/hoodlums/thugs/etc. In my experience, there's far more of that going on in Oklahoma. The "I have a Black friend/co-worker" form of racism.

Edited October 15 by 'stache

SydneyCarton · October 15

1 minute ago, SimonBolivar said:

I had a dude in an Aggie hat this morning drop a hard J in my office. It was awkward.

Jiggaboo? Jew? Journalist? Listen, with those mouth-breathers you're going to have to be more specific.

Pato del Muerto · October 15

3 minutes ago, speed817 said:

we need to verify this.....

Foosters · October 15

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

As I got older, I found more White people who will exhibit microaggressions towards myself and other Blacks/Latinos while simultaneously having Black Lives Matter and LULAC/Cesar Chavez posters hanging up in their offices.

I don’t know what that means so y’all need to figure it out

Ahh, California

SimonBolivar · October 15

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Jigger?

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

Jiggaboo? Jew? Journalist? Listen, with those mouth-breathers you're going to have to be more specific.

Pancho · October 15

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Have you considered the fact that you're just all pricks??

All joking aside, you work in Academica, a Che Guerva poster is probably just signal switching or some shit so they don't get ridiculed at work parties.

I’m the HPIC

ChiTownDoc · October 15

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

There's some of that, but also plenty of people who genuinetly respect the dark skinned minority that made it to the board room or otherwise succeeded, but use it as evidende that institutional racism doesn't exist. If this guy made it, it just proves that the rest of "them," you know those on the north side, are just lazy and predisposed to being criminals/hoodlums/thugs/etc. In my experience, there's far more of that going on in Oklahoma. The "I have a Black friend/co-worker" form of racism.

This completely nails it. I guess I’m going with being prejudiced isn’t racist. But I’m being convinced by you assholes.

TwiceHorn · October 15

4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

There's some of that, but also plenty of people who genuinetly respect the dark skinned minority that made it to the board room or otherwise succeeded, but use it as evidence that institutional racism doesn't exist. If this guy made it, it just proves that the rest of "them," you know those on the north side, are just lazy and predisposed to being criminals/hoodlums/thugs/etc. In my experience, there's far more of that going on in Oklahoma. The "I have a Black friend/co-worker" form of racism.

Yeah, "Chitown is one of the good uns." It's the rest of them dirty messkin murderers and rapists you gotta look out for.

WelfareBuysMyWeed · October 15

5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Jiggaboo? Jew? Journalist? Listen, with those mouth-breathers you're going to have to be more specific.

edit: beaten like the sooners lol

Edited October 15 by WelfareBuysMyWeed

TwiceHorn · October 15

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

This completely nails it. I guess I’m going with being prejudiced isn’t racist. But I’m being convinced by you assholes.

I used to sort of intellectually attempt to distinguish between the two, but I don't think there's much difference. If you other them in any way based on skin color, it's racist.

Pato del Muerto · October 15

28 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I’m a brown dude

Whoa I didn’t realize that everything good that’s happened in your life from undergrad university admittance, through now, has been due to DEI. I thought maybe you earned it. Must be nice.

/s just in case.

David Dennison · October 15

23 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Sure. There’s a ton of racists / sexists. 10’s of millions. I still don’t buy 30%+.

From my experience as a middle aged white man, 30% sounds way too low.

WelfareBuysMyWeed · October 15

If you ever want to know how much of the country is racist, just listen to children. They'll gleefully parrot the racist shit their parents say without filter because they haven't learned subtlety yet. Frankly only hearing 1/3 of an elementary school room saying insanely racist shit full chest would be shocking to me. Example: "The problem with basketball is there's too many black people."

SimonBolivar · October 15

Oct. 15, 2024, 1:14 p.m. ET8 minutes ago

Michael Gold

Asked directly to respond to a recent report that he had spoken with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia as many as seven times since leaving office in 2021, Trump said he would not “comment on that,” but that it would be a “smart thing” if he did it. “I’m trying to deal with people,” he said. “If I have a relationship with people, that’s a good thing.”

Oct. 15, 2024, 1:12 p.m. ET11 minutes ago

Ana Swanson

Trump is clashing with John Micklethwait, the editor in chief of Bloomberg, over the economic impact of tariffs. Trump insists that they will encourage companies to move factories back to the United States without raising costs for consumers — which is an argument many economists disagree with. But Trump counters that if you make tariffs “so high, so horrible, so obnoxious,” factories will come right away.

C-Man · October 15

Stupid is as stupid does: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trumps-bizarre-music-session-reignites-questions-mental-acuity-rcna175464

Quote

Generally speaking, Trump supporters in attendance said they enjoyed the moment and saw it as a chance to connect with their preferred candidate for president.

“I loved it,” said Jay Bauer, who was in attendance from Montgomery County. “I felt like I was sitting in a room with him. Just him. I could have been here another hour, another two hours. I was just great spending time with the president.”

Bauer’s wife, Janice Bauer, said she expected him to “take more questions,” but her opinion of Trump has not changed.

“I thought he would talk longer,” she said. “However, I still will vote for him. I think he’s a very good candidate … the concert was great.”

Pancho · October 15

3 minutes ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

If you ever want to know how much of the country is racist, just listen to children. They'll gleefully parrot the racist shit their parents say without filter because they haven't learned subtlety yet. Frankly only hearing 1/3 of an elementary school room saying insanely racist shit full chest would be shocking to me. Example: "The problem with basketball is there's too many black people."

Tuco · October 15

54 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Yes. Becuase I'm sure whenever he played football at whatever prep school he attended at any level were playing kids from "bad neighborhoods."

I also doubt he played tight end. It wasn't really a position until the 50s, and I doubt you would have seen it much at the high school level. It is also unlikely there were many players lifting weights. My stepdad played for the Cornhuskers in the early 50s and weightlifting was prohibited for fear of making the players "muscle bound."

So yeah, all of that is just bullshit he invented on the spot based on what he understand about football today.

Js1 · October 15

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

Stupid is as stupid does: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trumps-bizarre-music-session-reignites-questions-mental-acuity-rcna175464

The people who go to his rallies aren't going to be swayed because he sundowned for 45 minutes after answering 4 questions.

But any media outlet asking about mental acuity is big, since they've ignored it up until now.

He needs a good Hillary 2016 pneumonia moment to really set them off.

SaucyJack · October 15

38 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I’m a brown dude who visits OK and some outposts in TX a few times a year with my green eyed blonde wife. We are always blown away by how hospitable people are. They’re scared of the boogeyman that doesn’t exist. The propaganda works. There is no way that % of the country is virulent racist/sexists - as Red described above.

Tell me a little bit more about this boogeyman they fear.

Francisco 2.0 · October 15

WelfareBuysMyWeed · October 15

2 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I also doubt he played tight end. It wasn't really a position until the 50s, and I doubt you would have seen it much at the high school level. It is also unlikely there were many players lifting weights. My stepdad played for the Cornhuskers in the early 50s and weightlifting was prohibited for fear of making the players "muscle bound."

So yeah, all of that is just bullshit he invented on the spot based on what he understand about football today.

actually he played tight-tight end. His end is the tightest.

'stache · October 15

10 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

This completely nails it. I guess I’m going with being prejudiced isn’t racist. But I’m being convinced by you assholes.

5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Whoa I didn’t realize that everything good that’s happened in your life from undergrad university admittance, through now, has been due to DEI. I thought maybe you earned it. Must be nice.

/s just in case.

I don't really distinguish between the two. The DEI conversation is also appropos. The entire republican party is of the opinion that DEI is bad, and the majority will always feel somewhere inside that minorities that suceed were because of affirmative action, etc. That's a huge percentage of people. If it was a small percentage, major corporations would just ignore them, but they are actively killing off their DEI programs, which itself tells you all you need to know about how widespread this shit is among the American population.

WelfareBuysMyWeed · October 15

1 minute ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

he looks so insecure up there on stage with his arms crossed so tight. How the fuck do his dipshit supporters think this guy is strong? He looks like a fucking wimp.

Francisco 2.0 · October 15

Js1 · October 15

2 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Never will I forget Icono throwing an internet hissy fit because the WSJ disabled their comment section.

SaucyJack · October 15

37 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Sure. There’s a ton of racists / sexists. 10’s of millions. I still don’t buy 30%+.

27%

David Dennison · October 15

6 minutes ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

he looks so insecure up there on stage with his arms crossed so tight. How the fuck do his dipshit supporters think this guy is strong? He looks like a fucking wimp.

Thank the producers of The Apprentice and the power of television.

Francisco 2.0 · October 15

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Foosters · October 15

3 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

And subject himself to dirty looks on the 19th hole at the DCC? Let's be real.

TexEx15 · October 15

4th&Five · October 15

Edited October 15 by 4th&Five

Francisco 2.0 · October 15

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