2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Yev Kassem 1031]

The only reason I stay friends with one of my low-key Trump supporter buddies is because he gets me on Tiger’s course at Bluejack National. I ain’t giving that shit up. 

[mdmost 42993]

1 hour ago, texasdago said:

I am so frustrated. Tonight. One of my good friends admitted to me that he's going to be voting Trump. He said he knows he's evil but won't vote Kamala. This is a guy who is very smart, received his master's degree overseas. Speaks three languages. Worldly, travels, intelligent and thoughtful and he's voting Trump. I'm telling you it just makes me sad and very very disappointed. He's still my friend but I'm really disappointed.

Maybe send your friend this clip and ask him how with all his pursuits of worldly knowledge, he can be fine with picking this guy over her. Maybe your friend is just a racist or misogynist. I'm going to hazard a guess your friend is rich and is worried about taxes?

Voting for Trump shows a lack of character, a lack of empathy, and a desire to not give a damn if the least of us are hurt in the next 4 years. I don't give two shits about people thinking Trump is good for the economy because frankly that's just playing into their narcissism and myopia. That man is going to do a lot of harm to people who don't deserve it. That speaks to the character of someone I would not want to be friends with. But it's your job to challenge your friend when he goes down that stupid fucking MAGA rabbit hole. And fuck off if that person thinks "well he's going to have people who make sure he doesn't do bad stuff". Yeah, that's really going to work out the 2nd time when all the good people in the government and military are rooted out. 

Edited October 16 by mdmost

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

6 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

The only reason I stay friends with one of my low-key Trump supporter buddies is because he gets me on Tiger’s course at Bluejack National. I ain’t giving that shit up. 

When blood is in the streets, play golf!

[SizzleChest 8282]

4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Maybe send your friend this clip and ask him how with all his pursuits of worldly knowledge, he can be fine with picking this guy over her. Maybe your friend is just a racist or misogynist. 

Voting for Trump shows a lack of character, a lack of empathy, and a desire to not give two shits if the least of us are hurt in the next 4 years. I don't give two shits about people thinking Trump is good for the economy because frankly that's just playing into their narcissism and myopia. That man is going to do a lot of harm to people who don't deserve it. That speaks to the character of someone I would not want to be friends with. But it's your job to challenge your friend when he goes down that stupid fucking MAGA rabbit hole. And I fuck off if that person thinks "well he's going to have people who make sure he doesn't do bad stuff". Yeah, that's really going to work out the 2nd time when all the good people in the government and military are rooted out. 

 

[TwiceHorn 31413]

1 hour ago, Baboontyme said:

Dentist

The problem, right there.

[atomheartbevo 89587]

1 hour ago, Surly Bevo said:

I would dump the shit out of that friend Dago.  Somebody who will tell you they KNOW something is evil, but I'm getting on the train (he could just sit it out) is not a good person. 

1 hour ago, SizzleChest said:

If your friendships can't survive shit like that, maybe they're all really just acquaintances.  Giving in to political tribalism to the extent of abandoning strong, lifelong relationships just seems completely stupid to me.  People get fucked up and lost.  It happens.

46 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

Absolutely.  A caring friend would ask.  And ask.  And ask.  Hold them accountable for their opinion.  Push them.  Challenge them.  "Oh, you are voting for Trump?  Then why don't you have a t-shirt.  Or a sign,  Or a flag.  What are you hiding from?"

Sometimes you owe it to your friendship to try and sort these people out.

It’s like if you were friends with a guy named Tim, and you were both a couple of young PFCs sitting in a Juarez jail wondering how you’re going to get back to Fort Bliss without a shitload of people coming down on you, and you’re brainstorming and and Tim ultimately empties out his savings account to fix things, even though you know he’s been saving for almost a year to buy that shitty worn-out ‘85 GT Hatchback Mustang because the two of you are just going to pull in the ladies driving around El Paso in that thing.

Or a few years later when you’re out of the Army, and you’re in Midland, banging some big ole gal you two work with and that you’ve secretly nicknamed Bertha, who probably weighs as much as the two of you combined, and after 45 minutes, maybe it’s the alcohol or the really long day at work, but you hit that brick wall, and you realize that you can’t get the job done, and you don’t have to keep up the facade in front of Tim because he knows you like few do, and you literally reach over to Tim who is sitting on the couch watching TV and tag him, and he hops up and takes your place, and he gets Bertha over the edge in 25 minutes while you recover on the couch, and you’re grateful to him knowing he won’t tell anybody, and he’s grateful to you for ending his slump, and Bertha is grateful to the two of you for doing something in 70 minutes that her husband hasn’t been able to do after three kids and 23 years of marriage. 

And then nearly 30 years later, Tim is in Austin for a wedding and you two are catching up after not talking for a few months  and he drops the little “I don’t think I can vote for Kamala” bombshell.

At that point, in your head you want to keep that friendship, but he’s giving off signs of voting for Trump, and while you know you can’t make him vote for Kamala, you can at least convince him to watch some clips of Trump and read an article or two about Arlington and his views on Vietnam POWs and the Purple Heart thing and at least get Tim to leave the line empty.

Thats just one hypothetical example of what to do with a longtime friend who gives off signs of voting for Trump.

Edited October 16 by atomheartbevo

[Biff Tannen 45646]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The problem, right there.

You anti-dentite bastard. 

[Mdhorn 5945]

18 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Voting for Trump shows a lack of character, a lack of empathy, and a desire to not give two shits if the least of us are hurt in the next 4 years. I don't give two shits about people thinking Trump is good for the economy because frankly that's just playing into their narcissism and myopia. That man is going to do a lot of harm to people who don't deserve it. That speaks to the character of someone I would not want to be friends with. But it's your job to challenge your friend when he goes down that stupid fucking MAGA rabbit hole. And I fuck off if that person thinks "well he's going to have people who make sure he doesn't do bad stuff". Yeah, that's really going to work out the 2nd time when all the good people in the government and military are rooted out. 

McMaster said the same stuff--which means they think they can control his brand of evil, which is a god awful reckoning as well.

Part of being a Trump supporter is being a troll, unfortunately.  They don't recognize boundaries, which is made all the more difficult when their leader talks about locking up opponents.  That's not just media, illegals, brown people (yeah, he's disparaged legal minorities), and political opponents--that's anybody that doesn't support their views about suspending Democracy.  That leads to some Anne Frank level shit that's really going to tax the friendship if this ass clown gets elected.  It's better to believe what Trump's publicly preaching, then thinking he won't be so bad or will only go after others, which is a god awful rationale that has to be done to pull the lever for turnip.  It sucks realizing that followers have to dehumanize others to support someone like Trump because we don't think like that.    

Edited October 16 by Mdhorn

[Biff Tannen 45646]

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Sometimes you owe it to your friendship to try and sort these people out.

It’s like if you were friends with a guy named Tim, and you were both a couple of young PFCs sitting in a Juarez jail wondering how you’re going to get back to Fort Bliss without a shitload of people coming down on you, and you’re brainstorming and and Tim ultimately empties out his savings account to fix things, even though you know he’s been saving for almost a year to buy that shitty worn-out ‘85 GT Hatchback Mustang because the two of you are just going to pull in the ladies driving around El Paso in that thing.

Or a few years later when you’re out of the Army, and you’re in Midland, banging some big ole gal you two work with and that you’ve secretly nicknamed Bertha, who probably weighs as much as the two of you combined, and after 45 minutes, maybe it’s the alcohol or the really long day at work, but you hit that brick wall, and you realize that you can’t get the job done, and you don’t have to keep up the facade in front of Tim because he knows you like few do, and you literally reach over to Tim who is sitting on the couch watching TV and tag him, and he hops up and takes your place, and he gets Bertha over the edge in 25 minutes while you recover on the couch, and you’re grateful to him knowing he won’t tell anybody, and he’s grateful to you for ending his slump, and Bertha is grateful to the two of you for doing something in 70 minutes that her husband hasn’t been able to do after three kids and 23 years of marriage. 

And then nearly 30 years later, Tim is in Austin for a wedding and you two are catching up after not talking for a few months  and he drops the little “I don’t think I can vote for Kamala” bombshell.

At that point, in your heads you want to keep that friendship, but he’s giving off signs of voting for Trump, and while you know you can’t make him vote for Kamala, you can at least convince him to watch some clips of Trump and read an article or two about Arlington and his views on Vietnam POWs and the Purple Heart thing and at least get Tim to leave the line empty.

Thats just o e hypothetical example of what to do with a longtime friend who gives off signs of voting for Trump.

So Tim is watching tv on the couch while you’re just banging away at a fat chick?  You’re a weird guy Atom. A weird guy. 

[Pato del Muerto 52461]

3 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

that's anybody that doesn't support their views about suspending Democracy.  That's some Anne Frank level shit

I had no idea Anne Frank had such views. I should reread her book I guess. 

[Horn Dog 9788]

4 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

 You make the jobs of Republicans easier when you respond back telling them to fuck off.

 

Yup.  I don’t respond but mark it as “Junk” .  If enough people do that the texts get blocked from being sent to others thus depressing their outreach.

 

1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

You have to confirm with a mobile number…fuck that.

This is why I maintain my free Google Voice number 

[Brisketexan 104918]

McMaster said the same stuff--which means they think they can control his brand of evil, which is a god awful reckoning as well.
Part of being a Trump supporter is being a troll, unfortunately.  They don't recognize boundaries, which is made all the more difficult when their leader talks about locking up opponents.  That's not just media, illegals, brown people (yeah, he's disparaged legal minorities), and political opponents--that's anybody that doesn't support their views about suspending Democracy.  That leads to some Anne Frank level shit that's really going to tax the friendship if this ass clown gets elected.  It's better to believe what Trump's publicly preaching, then thinking he won't be so bad or will only go after others, which is a god awful rationale that has to be done to pull the lever for turnip.  It sucks realizing that followers have to dehumanize others to support someone like Trump because we don't think like that.    

It doesn’t matter if he’s a good kid from a good family and you’ve known him a long time and really he just got misguided….when he puts on the SS uniform of voting for Trump, it’s done. He has made his choice. He has joined a war against all non-Trump supporters (that is literally what the man he is voting for has said). It’s done.

[mchookem 16303]

10 hours ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Yes. 
 

 

i mean this has to do it, right? 

 

 

also how does @Horn75decide who to neg? I can't figure out his pattern 🤔 

[6th Street 6373]

Easy response is why hasn't the Biden Admin done it then 

[aggie08 21480]

27 minutes ago, Baboontyme said:

Man no offense at all but I'm glad I don't have to deal with that. I don't think I have the temperament to put up with it. 

To be fair, I did say Trump-voting, not Trump supporting. They'd vote for another R if they could, but whatever it takes to keep the radical left away from their taxes and guns. And they feel all the "noise" around Trump is overblown by the media. Most people enjoy living in their blissful ignorance when shit doesn't directly affect them.

All the people in the back: Propaganda fucking works!

 

[Biff Tannen 45646]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Most people enjoy living in their blissful ignorance when shit doesn't directly affect them.

Ah, proud members of the leopards eating faces club. 

[mdmost 42993]

3 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Easy response is why hasn't the Biden Admin done it then 

Probably because Biden doesn't want to because he's old school on crime and the War on Drugs?

[cactusflinthead 27597]

@Js1

What is the firewall target?

 

[royiv 9193]

10 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Probably because Biden doesn't want to because he's old school on crime and the War on Drugs?

Biden did move to reschedule marijuana and pardon people convicted of certain marijuana related offenses. Those are big moves that no other president has made. Things at the federal level don’t usually move super fast. Biden got the ball rolling and Harris and keep the momentum up.

[Your Mom 4805]

14 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Easy response is why hasn't the Biden Admin done it then 

Easy response to that is because the Biden Admin is not the Harris Admin. 

[bluto 4905]

6 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

@Js1

What is the firewall target?

 

Believe 390k

[Mittens 8233]

[SizzleChest 8282]

22 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

To be fair, I did say Trump-voting, not Trump supporting. They'd vote for another R if they could, but whatever it takes to keep the radical left away from their taxes and guns. And they feel all the "noise" around Trump is overblown by the media. Most people enjoy living in their blissful ignorance when shit doesn't directly affect them.

All the people in the back: Propaganda fucking works!

 

De-programming opportunities galore. 

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

1 hour ago, Mo Horn said:

You're a better man than I. I have no desire to be friends with anyone who supports dotard. 

This. I'm happy to tell those who at this point in time still support Trump, to kindly fuck off. And by kindly,  

I mean to fuck off in a pit of fire.

[Gatorubet 30176]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

So Tim is watching tv on the couch while you’re just banging away at a fat chick?  You’re a weird guy Atom. A weird guy. 

Harsh Bro.  Bertha’s been waddling around work telling people at the water cooler that Atom has a problem with premature ejaculation.    

I think we should all just give him some space

[F250 28757]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Or a few years later when you’re out of the Army, and you’re in Midland, banging some big ole gal you two work with and that you’ve secretly nicknamed Bertha, who probably weighs as much as the two of you combined, and after 45 minutes, maybe it’s the alcohol or the really long day at work, but you hit that brick wall, and you realize that you can’t get the job done, and you don’t have to keep up the facade in front of Tim because he knows you like few do, and you literally reach over to Tim who is sitting on the couch watching TV and tag him, and he hops up and takes your place, and he gets Bertha over the edge in 25 minutes while you recover on the couch, and you’re grateful to him knowing he won’t tell anybody, and he’s grateful to you for ending his slump, and Bertha is grateful to the two of you for doing something in 70 minutes that her husband hasn’t been able to do after three kids and 23 years of marriage. 

Something tells me this absolutely happened. Mainly because I was in Tim's situation but my buddy walked out and slammed a beer then said "a mans got to do what a man has to do" then returned to the bedroom to finish the job.

[immamac 42789]

1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Am I allowed to complement Georgia this week?

No. 

[DixonHur 11288]

53 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

@Js1

What is the firewall target?

 

What is the percentage measuring?

[Hiphopopotamos 20868]

 

[Satchel 6912]

The few Trump voters I know personally are not inclined to discuss him at all anymore I think a kind of political dysphoria has set in and their reticence is proof of their intention to vote for him, come what may.

[Derka 6096]

 

[Gatorubet 30176]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

What’s it like to fuck a hobbit?  Or at least somebody cosplaying as one?

Not asking for a friend.

Crazy!  Dude, they shave most of their feet now.

[gmr548 16569]

16 hours ago, Helobious said:

Lol wut. There’s no way she has even half the listeners as Rogan

Helobious'ed

[henrygandorf 29187]

 

[gmr548 16569]

3 hours ago, Mole said:

Early voting profiling check in from semi rural Georgia.

I encountered 4 other voter this morning: a grizzled, beaten down white gut with a confederate flag for his front license plate, a 40-something Black women dressed for some office job, and a FBC-looking couple decked out in UGA gear.

Extrapolating this data to the entire state…

I mean, isn't that basically the state in a nutshell?

[wood 11225]

12 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

 

LOL I was watching that dude last night, thinking he liked he wished someone would just put him out of his misery.

[gmr548 16569]

2 hours ago, 6th Street said:

Easy response is why hasn't the Biden Admin done it then 

Aside form Biden being 119 years old and more conservative on some social issues, do you know how laws are passed in this country?

[Jhawkmvp 1489]

12 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah.....and among the non-voting portion of the population, a shitload are ignorant racist pieces of shit who aren't even intelligent enough to get out and vote.  It's 45%....and honestly, likely more.

Way underbidding.  The problem is that folks define "racism" solely as "genuinely hateful, would burn a cross in a yard" types.  No.  Racism didn't just include Germans who actively wanted to exterminate jews.  It also included all the Germans who were aware of the hatred, and were willing to go along with it because hey, they're jews.  In fact, it's the second group -- the group that is willing to go along with it and support leaders/parties who are actively making it happen -- that is ESSENTIAL for the worst aspects of a racist society to manifest.

And yes, there is cognitive dissonance and inconsistency within countless individuals.  "Good and decent guy, would give you the shirt off his back, goes out of his way to help people" is also the "and he also believes we should mow down brown people at the border till the Rio Grande runs red" guy.  Any of us who grew up in the south knew the anti-black version of that guy.  Shit, that guy might even go out of his way to HELP some black people ("Jim's a good fella, he's worked at the hardware store for years, I want to help him out while his wife is sick")....while demonizing black people as lazy and inferior in literally his very next breath.

Racism is much more ingrained, pervasive, and even passive than people want to think.  We are not nearly as good a people as you want to believe we are.

This.  There are a lot of quiet racists out there. I grew up a white kid in lily white Kansas, but I grew up in a meat packing town so there were a lot of races there to take advantage of, at the time, well paying meat packing jobs for unskilled labor. A lot of immigrants would come for those jobs.  Growing up my siblings and I had Hispanic, black, and Asian friends in school and they would come over to play and stay overnight all the time, went on trips with us, etc. I never heard my parents use racial slanders. They always treated my friends well. In college, at 20 years old, I am dating a black coed. I come home during break and my father pulls me aside. He tells me it is okay to date a black woman, just don't marry one. I am pretty floored because I had never seen my father indicate he was racist in any way. I just looked him in the eye and told him if I did decide to marry a black woman he better get on board and treat her like a queen or else he'd never be a part of my life from the wedding day forward.  At least he raised me right and did not expose me to his racism as a child, even if in the end his view on this made me lose a lot of respect for him permanently, as an adult. My parents divorced the next year, Dad re-married and became a Southern Baptist like his bible thumping, new wife. My step-mom will drop bigoted/racist comments from time to time, mostly about whatever new immigrant group is working at the meat packing plant when I visit, but my father still doesn't. I just know he silently feels the same way as my step-mom.  Dad always votes straight R and will vote for Trump again this election for the 3rd time.  No Trump talk, no Trump flags, no Trump paraphernalia, no Trump signs, etc. His Trump support is silent.  Just like his racism. 

[SydneyCarton 47994]

7 hours ago, texasdago said:

I am so frustrated. Tonight. One of my good friends admitted to me that he's going to be voting Trump. He said he knows he's evil but won't vote Kamala. This is a guy who is very smart, received his master's degree overseas. Speaks three languages. Worldly, travels, intelligent and thoughtful and he's voting Trump. I'm telling you it just makes me sad and very very disappointed. He's still my friend but I'm really disappointed.

 

6 hours ago, SizzleChest said:

 

Happy for you that it's all so clear and simple.  

I struggle with Trump people I know. I try to avoid the topic and convince where I can. But the thing that stops me about Dago’s post above is…this person said they are aware they are voting for someone evil. If that’s ACTUALLY what they said…that’s not lost. That’s a complete understanding and still making a conscious choice for Evil. Hell, the guy could have said he just won’t vote. But he’s willingly voting for evil. If that’s what actually went down, then that isn’t lost. That’s knowingly complicit. 

[Bateshorn 9922]

6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Sometimes you owe it to your friendship to try and sort these people out.

It’s like if you were friends with a guy named Tim, and you were both a couple of young PFCs sitting in a Juarez jail wondering how you’re going to get back to Fort Bliss without a shitload of people coming down on you, and you’re brainstorming and and Tim ultimately empties out his savings account to fix things, even though you know he’s been saving for almost a year to buy that shitty worn-out ‘85 GT Hatchback Mustang because the two of you are just going to pull in the ladies driving around El Paso in that thing.

Or a few years later when you’re out of the Army, and you’re in Midland, banging some big ole gal you two work with and that you’ve secretly nicknamed Bertha, who probably weighs as much as the two of you combined, and after 45 minutes, maybe it’s the alcohol or the really long day at work, but you hit that brick wall, and you realize that you can’t get the job done, and you don’t have to keep up the facade in front of Tim because he knows you like few do, and you literally reach over to Tim who is sitting on the couch watching TV and tag him, and he hops up and takes your place, and he gets Bertha over the edge in 25 minutes while you recover on the couch, and you’re grateful to him knowing he won’t tell anybody, and he’s grateful to you for ending his slump, and Bertha is grateful to the two of you for doing something in 70 minutes that her husband hasn’t been able to do after three kids and 23 years of marriage. 

And then nearly 30 years later, Tim is in Austin for a wedding and you two are catching up after not talking for a few months  and he drops the little “I don’t think I can vote for Kamala” bombshell.

At that point, in your head you want to keep that friendship, but he’s giving off signs of voting for Trump, and while you know you can’t make him vote for Kamala, you can at least convince him to watch some clips of Trump and read an article or two about Arlington and his views on Vietnam POWs and the Purple Heart thing and at least get Tim to leave the line empty.

Thats just one hypothetical example of what to do with a longtime friend who gives off signs of voting for Trump.

[TwiceHorn 31413]

So, all this talk of "black ppl bbq" raises the issue of "assimilation."

Thatguy's story relates code-switching and behavior designed not to alarm the honkies.  In some ways, it's a shame that has to happen, especially because "his people" in most cases were not voluntary immigrants and were essentially forced not to assimilate by not being allowed to participate in society.

In other ways, such assimilative behavior is probably a natural and beneficial, maybe, consequence of immigration.  It's the melting part of the melting pot.

Clearly, those minority/immigrant groups that have not yet or not rapidly assimilated make the majority or minority/majority (e.g. wypipo) very nervous.  I think, historically, the "separatism" of a lot of Jewish sects has reinforced anti-Semitism worldwide (it's the Hasids and orthodox that draw the caricatures and less so the more Reformed and secular Jews).  And, you hear that kind of complaint ("they don't assimilate") for Muslim immigrants I think especially in Europe.

Also, assimilation tends to imply an acceptance of aspects of the minority culture by the majority, so it's a two-way street.  I don't think assimilation should be expected or required.  But it is what tends to make even us honky, cracker-ass Americans more American than English, French, Scottish, German or Dutch.

Kind of a thread-jack, but I have been curious about the role of assimilation by immigrants in "national racism" for a while now.

 

 

[Goredho 17387]

18 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

It’s too hot and people are getting heat exhaustion. SO LETS DANCE!!!

 

[atomheartbevo 89587]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I struggle with Trump people I know. I try to avoid the topic and convince where I can. But the thing that stops me about Dago’s post above is…this person said they are aware they are voting for someone evil. If that’s ACTUALLY what they said…that’s not lost. That’s a complete understanding and still making a conscious choice for Evil. Hell, the guy could have said he just won’t vote. But he’s willingly voting for evil. If that’s what actually went down, then that isn’t lost. That’s knowingly complicit. 

[locodos 5386]

 

[TwiceHorn 31413]

8 hours ago, mdmost said:

Probably because Biden doesn't want to because he's old school on crime and the War on Drugs?

Also, Biden has some personal experience with addiction that probably makes him wary of the whole thing.  But I think it's mostly because he's old.

[Bozo_Casanova 26407]

9 hours ago, SizzleChest said:

They were susceptible because of social media and some temporary life failures.  Not calling them victims, but there are some explanations for this shit.

This. 

[Huckleberry 32830]

I don't disagree with any of that, but if you are intending to vote to hurt my family I have no obligation to continue being your friend. Especially if it's already been explained and you've made your choice. In that situation I'm not the one who terminated the friendship. 

[locodos 5386]

10 hours ago, texasdago said:

I am so frustrated. Tonight. One of my good friends admitted to me that he's going to be voting Trump. He said he knows he's evil but won't vote Kamala. This is a guy who is very smart, received his master's degree overseas. Speaks three languages. Worldly, travels, intelligent and thoughtful and he's voting Trump. I'm telling you it just makes me sad and very very disappointed. He's still my friend but I'm really disappointed.

Man this is tough and I'm kinda in the same boat, but if you can talk to them (not lecture) then you can largely deprogram them over time.   My friend, whom I have known since I was 5 is not that educated.  He has a quick wit and high EQ and can figure out how to do just about anything except pass college English.  He has an undiagnosed learning disability along with dyslexia.  But his family's ethos seemed to be "help is for the weak, just work harder" Now he has his own service company that he truly built himself from scratch.  But making rounds in a truck and listening to talk radio is a hell of a drug.

9 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Could you explain how (and when) these broken, proudly ignorant, hate-filled  bigots will have an epiphany and get un-fucked up and un-lost?

Almost daily conversations over years.  Calmly using facts to wash off the layers of BS.  Then reinforce conversations with supporting info from actual experts not youtube influencers.  One of the things that worked surprisingly well when he talked about podcasts and youtube channels was to ask him about what products they were selling.  I think that made the connection that these aren't truth bringers, but charlatans.  I talked with him a lot about social media engagement mechanisms designed enrage and delight.  One of his guys was the one who dragged him down the rabbit hole, but he quit after my friend got vaccinated and that's helped out a lot. (yes I had to talk him through all that) 

tl/dr if you care about the person you will help them not drown in a sea of bullshit.

[Js1 85222]

10 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I don't disagree with any of that, but if you are intending to vote to hurt my family I have no obligation to continue being your friend. Especially if it's already been explained and you've made your choice. In that situation I'm not the one who terminated the friendship. 

 

Yep, this isn't some "oh haha I am friends with an aggy or sooner and we joke and rib each other during games" type of thing - no one's fundamental rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is being threatened by a football game once a year.  This is more "this person fundamentally supports a party that thinks my existence should be illegal in this country, but he's such a nice person"

[Pancho 44652]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

Also, assimilation tends to imply an acceptance of aspects of the minority culture by the majority, so it's a two-way street. 

 

 

No.

You’re sort of talking about acculturation, not assimilation.