2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

BamaATL · October 16

1 minute ago, safe sex said:

Did your parents keep a basket by the front door for everyone to put their keys in?

How dare you defile the sanctity of fondue nights.

Huckleberry · October 16

2 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Did your parents keep a basket by the front door for everyone to put their keys in?

My immediate thought as well. I'm not sure ol' Francisco's parents were as wholesome as he thinks. Good for them.

Pancho · October 16

@Macanudo

😁

chainsaw · October 16

13 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Same. And the "White Supremacist" sharing with me is usually some sort of genetically stunted Care Bear that I wouldn't even let on the long boat.

SydneyCarton · October 16

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

My immediate thought as well. I'm not sure ol' Francisco's parents were as wholesome as he thinks. Good for them.

I mean, if they were Baptists statistically at least one of them was probably fucking or trying to fuck a minor.

/ducks

safe sex · October 16

2 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

How dare you defile the sanctity of fondue nights.

¿Por qué no los dos?

Brisketexan · October 16

2 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Basically, people that have no issue trampling someone else's liberty, but will scream bloody murder the second they are inconvenienced.

Which all goes back to the core cause of our utter brokenness: a complete lack of empathy. We worship the "me" 100%, the "we" 0%.

So long as we get ours, we don't give a shit if the leopards eat everyone else's faces. But even that meme is problematic. You shouldn't be upset when the leopards get around to eating YOUR face. Any decent human being should be disturbed and called to action when the leopards show up to eat your neighbor's face. Someone else's face being eaten is just as bad as your own face being eaten.

But in America, 2024? Fuck everyone but me. If I could vote for someone who would kill the half of the country that doesn't look like me, and then give me all their stuff so I am more prosperous, I'm all for it. Not just okay with it, but FOR IT.

We are one fucked in the head society. Mr. Rogers would kick all our asses.

Pato del Muerto · October 16

Thanks to this thread, unbelievably, I now have couldn’t get it right by climax blues band, and you’re the only woman by ambrosia in my head.

RDCanecutter · October 16

1 minute ago, safe sex said:

¿Por qué no los dos?

Repped for accent placement.

Chad Fuck · October 16

11 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

If East Texas is anything like Alabama, the old fossils haven't changed (but sometimes know when to shut up) and the under-40s are comparatively enlightened. Barring Fraternity Row.

This is probably about right.

Brisketexan · October 16

5 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

How dare you defile the sanctity of fondue nights.

What if I just defile the fondue?

sidis · October 16

something something put my my dick in the mashed potatoes.

Pescado_Rojo · October 16

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

What if I just defile the fondue?

I already defiled the mashed potatoes

Fucking Sidis beat me by milliseconds!

Edited October 16 by Pescado_Rojo

BamaATL · October 16

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

What if I just defile the fondue?

You must own the Melting Pot.

Chad Fuck · October 16

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

What if I just defile the fondue?

locodos · October 16

With all the talk of dumping Trumpy friends and acquaintances. Let's talk about Twitter.. and it's continued prevalence here.

Elon Musk gave $75M to his pro-Trump super PAC

Musk launched the group over the summer.

Billionaire SpaceX CEO Elon Musk poured just shy of $75 million into his super PAC backing Donald Trump’s presidential campaign last quarter, according to a new campaign finance filing.

Musk, the richest person in the world, was the sole donor to the pro-Trump America PAC, according to the filing submitted to the Federal Election Commission late Tuesday. Musk launched the group over the summer and has funded voter contact across key presidential states and more than a dozen House races.

Js1 · October 16

Lots of GOP cope - I don't think they're that confident. The GOP statewide requests were a little less than 500k ballots and Dems were over 1 million.

They can't reverse firewall with 500k ballots that don't exist.

Underdog · October 16

48 minutes ago, locodos said:

Listen, I've seen some wild shit. You ever have ambrosia?

But with god as my witness, I have never seen raisins in potato salad. Also German hot potato salad is the shit.

Was always the biggest part of me no matter how much I feel.

jimmyjazz · October 16

43 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Remember when Al Gore made a sort of awkward but largely accurate statement about his role in the early development of the internet that got misrepresented as him claiming that he "invented" the internet and it almost ruined his political career? Yeah, I 'member.

Remember when Dan Quayle followed an incorrect flash card and told a kid in a spelling bee that he had spelled "potato" incorrectly, and it DID destroy his political career? I remember.

Edited October 16 by jimmyjazz

Brisketexan · October 16

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Remember when Dan Quayle followed an incorrect flash card and told a kid in a spelling bee that he had spelled "potato" incorrectly, and it DID destroy his political career? I remember.

Quayle misspelled potato, and it ended his career.

Trump IS a fucking potato, and he's going to be elected POTUS. Again.

This fucking timeline.

MissingInAction · October 16

2 hours ago, otisdog said:

Not the white BBQs that I go to. Jalapeños, yes. Raisins, no.

Have you been to Nebraska?

Pancho · October 16

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Chewbacca · October 16

18 minutes ago, Pancho said:

That's a terrible idea. Vance does not get rattled like Trump does. He'll just spew his lies ad nauseum. Zero upside for Harris to do such a thing.

She should be mentioning his mental decline every day, though.

Js1 · October 16

3 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

That's a terrible idea. Vance does not get rattled like Trump does. He'll just spew his lies ad nauseum. Zero upside for Harris to do such a thing.

She should be mentioning his mental decline every day, though.

Yes on the second part.

Though trying to frame it as Harris v Vance isn't the *worst* idea because H2H polling, she crushes him.

Like, look - if Trump wins, Vance will be president faster than you can blink.

NorthLoop · October 16

6 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

That's a terrible idea. Vance does not get rattled like Trump does. He'll just spew his lies ad nauseum. Zero upside for Harris to do such a thing.

She should be mentioning his mental decline every day, though.

I think you missed the point on that one. If something crazy like that actually happened, it would be Trump throwing in the towel, and Vance ain't beating Harris.

Edited October 16 by NorthLoop

The Dog · October 16

5 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

That's a terrible idea. Vance does not get rattled like Trump does. He'll just spew his lies ad nauseum. Zero upside for Harris to do such a thing.

it's not to rattle Vance. it's to rattle Trump and MAGA.

MAGA already believes these kind of conspiracy theories - imagine if this one took hold.

Wilson already trying to plant some seeds:

Edited October 16 by The Dog

Js1 · October 16

3:30 ET update - 209k votes in GA today

The Dog · October 16

White dudes for Harris organizer.

I’ve seen a lot of questions about why white men—especially young white men—seem so angry, distrustful of the Democratic Party, or drawn to MAGA-ism. I've been studying this issue for awhile now and I wanted to share some thoughts. If we want to make inroads with white dudes, we need to understand what’s happening.

First, economic opportunities are shrinking. Young men are struggling with stagnant wages and fewer job prospects, making it harder for them to gain independence, start families, or even feel secure in adulthood. That instability makes many susceptible to the MAGA whirlpool.

Second, there’s a major education gap. Fewer men are graduating from college compared to women, which has serious consequences for their long-term economic and social stability. Kamala Harris is doing well with educated white men, but not with those who didn’t finish college. That difference impacts their prospects and feeds into larger societal issues, which is why we need to make it a lot easier for people to go to college without racking up debt.

Third, we’re facing a mental health and social isolation crisis. Young men are lonelier and struggling with mental health issues at higher rates, partly fueled by social media and the erosion of traditional community institutions (churches, men’s groups, etc.). White men in America are four times more likely to commit suicide than any other group. This is a national crisis, and we’re barely talking about it.

Fourth, there’s an identity crisis. Gender roles and societal expectations are shifting (which is a good thing!), and young men are left wondering where they fit in. Without positive role models, many gravitate toward toxic figures like Donald Trump, because at least someone is speaking to their frustrations—however inartfully (which is being generous). Democrats haven’t done enough to offer better alternatives, though I think we’re starting to, with people like Tim Walz, Pete Buttigieg, and Doug Emhoff stepping up as strong role models.

Fifth, forming relationships—especially romantic ones—has become harder. Economic pressures and the rise of online dating have created new dynamics that are disincentivizing young men (and women, for that matter) from building meaningful connections. This only adds to their sense of isolation and fuels resentment, particularly toward women and those who are economically better off.

Lastly, there's a deep cynicism and lack of trust in institutions. Many young men no longer believe the American Dream is for them, or that they have a place in a society that’s rapidly changing. The old American mythology is crumbling around them, and with it goes their belief in a stable future. That loss of trust is driving them toward more extreme solutions and making it harder for them to feel invested in collective progress.

All of these factors—along with others I haven’t mentioned—are creating a perfect storm of resentment and frustration among young white men. But these issues are real and addressable. The problem is, for too long, Democrats have retreated from engaging in spaces where these men are, leaving them to only hear from one side.

That’s why I’ve been pushing for @KamalaHarris to go on Joe Rogan and praising @PeteButtigieg for going on Fox News. We need to enter these spaces and have real conversations about the issues white men are facing. Will it win all of them over? No. But if we can win over even a small fraction, it makes it much harder for Trump and MAGAism to win nationally.

We can’t keep acting like white men don’t have real issues. Everyone is suffering from something, and everyone deserves to have that suffering addressed by their government. If we address these issues with the same seriousness we give to other communities, we won’t win them all—but we don’t have to. We’re building a multicultural coalition to move this country forward, but we can’t ignore the real challenges young white men are facing.

HenryJames · October 16

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

3:30 ET update - 209k votes in GA today

Is that a lot?

Gatorubet · October 16

4 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

What a fucking boatload of malarky...I don't even know where to start. A man talking about the rule of law in favor of a guy who gassed peaceful protestors for a photo-op...a man talking the rule of law for someone who has said he'll suspend the laws to be a dictator on day one. A man talking about the rule of law who sent a mob at the capital when an election didn't go his way. A man who demonstably attempted to send fake electors. A twice impeached president with audio of a phone call demanding the GA secretary of state to find him 11k votes. The rule of law for a man who said legal citizens aren't legal citizens becuase they are also immigrants. The rule of law for a man who is endorsed by project 2025. The rule of law for a man who didn't approve FEMA payments for a state that didn't bend the knee.

I don't even know where to start.

Just tell him every attorney on Surly thinks he’s an idiot and should be disbarred for incompetence

G650 · October 16

13 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Just tell him every attorney on Surly thinks he’s an idiot and should be disbarred for incompetence

I'm not even a lawyer and I think that.

Js1 · October 16

15 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Is that a lot?

10% of 2020 turnout in a day and a half.

GOP: MEANS NOTHING

4th&Five · October 16

His makeup is worse every day.

Brisketexan · October 16

4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

White dudes for Harris organizer.

I’ve seen a lot of questions about why white men—especially young white men—seem so angry, distrustful of the Democratic Party, or drawn to MAGA-ism. I've been studying this issue for awhile now and I wanted to share some thoughts. If we want to make inroads with white dudes, we need to understand what’s happening.

First, economic opportunities are shrinking. Young men are struggling with stagnant wages and fewer job prospects, making it harder for them to gain independence, start families, or even feel secure in adulthood. That instability makes many susceptible to the MAGA whirlpool.

Second, there’s a major education gap. Fewer men are graduating from college compared to women, which has serious consequences for their long-term economic and social stability. Kamala Harris is doing well with educated white men, but not with those who didn’t finish college. That difference impacts their prospects and feeds into larger societal issues, which is why we need to make it a lot easier for people to go to college without racking up debt.

Third, we’re facing a mental health and social isolation crisis. Young men are lonelier and struggling with mental health issues at higher rates, partly fueled by social media and the erosion of traditional community institutions (churches, men’s groups, etc.). White men in America are four times more likely to commit suicide than any other group. This is a national crisis, and we’re barely talking about it.

Fourth, there’s an identity crisis. Gender roles and societal expectations are shifting (which is a good thing!), and young men are left wondering where they fit in. Without positive role models, many gravitate toward toxic figures like Donald Trump, because at least someone is speaking to their frustrations—however inartfully (which is being generous). Democrats haven’t done enough to offer better alternatives, though I think we’re starting to, with people like Tim Walz, Pete Buttigieg, and Doug Emhoff stepping up as strong role models.

Fifth, forming relationships—especially romantic ones—has become harder. Economic pressures and the rise of online dating have created new dynamics that are disincentivizing young men (and women, for that matter) from building meaningful connections. This only adds to their sense of isolation and fuels resentment, particularly toward women and those who are economically better off.

Lastly, there's a deep cynicism and lack of trust in institutions. Many young men no longer believe the American Dream is for them, or that they have a place in a society that’s rapidly changing. The old American mythology is crumbling around them, and with it goes their belief in a stable future. That loss of trust is driving them toward more extreme solutions and making it harder for them to feel invested in collective progress.

All of these factors—along with others I haven’t mentioned—are creating a perfect storm of resentment and frustration among young white men. But these issues are real and addressable. The problem is, for too long, Democrats have retreated from engaging in spaces where these men are, leaving them to only hear from one side.

That’s why I’ve been pushing for @KamalaHarris to go on Joe Rogan and praising @PeteButtigieg for going on Fox News. We need to enter these spaces and have real conversations about the issues white men are facing. Will it win all of them over? No. But if we can win over even a small fraction, it makes it much harder for Trump and MAGAism to win nationally.

We can’t keep acting like white men don’t have real issues. Everyone is suffering from something, and everyone deserves to have that suffering addressed by their government. If we address these issues with the same seriousness we give to other communities, we won’t win them all—but we don’t have to. We’re building a multicultural coalition to move this country forward, but we can’t ignore the real challenges young white men are facing.

He's not wrong. Really, he's not wrong about any of it. Except...he doesn't get into the "how and why" these things came about. Here's the rest of the story:

Young white men had it easy in terms of higher education, social dynamics, male roles in society and work, romantic relationships, etc.....because for GENERATIONS (really, all of western history), the deck was stacked IN THEIR FAVOR in all of those respects.

It was easier for Willy Whiteguy to get into a decent university because.....no/few minorities, and no/few women were competing for admission slots.

It was easier to participate in social institutions because they were almost all built for and run/filled with almost exclusively....white men. The Elks Lodge, fraternities, the local church Board of Elders, all of it....99% white guys.

Nice cushy job in a downtown office, or at a good factory? Again....much easier to get because they were filled 99% by white guys, no real competition from minorities or women for those jobs.

Romantic relationships? When women didn't have any real prospects for a safe, stable, secure (including financial security) future without a man to provide for them, men held all the cards. And again, the highest-value cards (remember the good education and all those good jobs) were held by white guys. If Pretty Paula wanted a nice house and decent food and a good lifestyle, she needed to marry a Willy Whiteguy, or she was hosed. Today....Pretty Paula beat out Willy Whiteguy for the latest promotion. She has a nice townhome, eats well, and has a nice life....she doesn't need Willy Whiteguy for any of that. Sure, she still might like a sexually compatible companion whose company she finds pleasing, but Whining Willy Whiteguy isn't doing great in that respect -- he sits at home, plays video games, has little ambition, and bitches about the fact that women who look like supermodels (the only women he thinks have any value) won't fuck him, and it must be someone else's fault.

We've failed young men because we haven't pounded into their heads "society isn't just going to hand you this shit anymore, you have to go out there and earn it." And you're goddamned right I put a lot of that on the heads of loser young men who don't have the ambition or balls to get up out of the gaming chair and improve themselves. But I also put some of that on the rest of society, because we indeed have failed young men. When you take away an expected pathway (for all the right reasons -- none of this was to "punish" young white men, but simply to allow everyone else onto the field to compete as well) without offering a well-defined alternative pathway, people end up lost. Shut down the factory in town where everyone works, without providing an alternative, training for a different field, etc., the former factory workers are 1) fucked and 2) pissed. Metaphorically, we've done some of that, and we haven't figured out how to equip our young men for the new paradigm. We really need to do that.

On the bright side, for young men who DO have their shit together, they're in high cotton. My son has talked about it (and he's already seen guys descend into the Andrew Tate world, bitter and angry, with little educational/professional/romantic success). He says "look, I'm smart enough, ambitious with a good work ethic, I'm decent looking and know how to dress and not look like a bum, and I can engage with women as equals and not treat them like they should be my property....I'm doing great." And he is. I'm sure he'd have done well under the old paradigm as well, but employers still want to hire men. Women still want male romantic partners. They just want winners, not losers. And has his peers fall away and become embittered losers, he looks better and better.

But for all of our sake, that shouldn't be how things go. His loser peers need to catch up, because society being stuck with a huge clump of underperforming, angry and bitter young men isn't good for anyone.

SydneyCarton · October 16

21 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Third, we’re facing a mental health and social isolation crisis. Young men are lonelier and struggling with mental health issues at higher rates, partly fueled by social media and the erosion of traditional community institutions (churches, men’s groups, etc.). White men in America are four times more likely to commit suicide than any other group. This is a national crisis, and we’re barely talking about it.

I'd like to see the data on this shit, or at least some cross tabs, because while I buy it might be high, I have a hard time thinking it's higher than trans or gay communities in general.

19 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Just tell him every attorney on Surly thinks he’s an idiot and should be disbarred for incompetence

tell @texasdago, not me.

Gatorubet · October 16

4 minutes ago, G650 said:

I'm not even a lawyer and I think that.

Absolutely. I was referring to his illegal take that Kamala Harris unilaterally got the New York legislature to change the statue limitations. Because those assholes can never decide whether she is a criminal mastermind or an absolute gibbering idiot. just like uncle Joe

Pato del Muerto · October 16

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

I'd like to see the data on this shit, or at least some cross tabs, because while I buy it might be high, I have a hard time thinking it's higher than trans or gay communities in general.

tell @texasdago, not me.

I assume he means race and gender pairing.

Brisketexan · October 16

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I assume he means race and gender pairing.

I've found that "mixed race" and "female" go together very well, like a cabernet and good steak.

Wait, is that not the kind of race and gender pairing you were talking about? Because I was having some "Vanessa Williams and a ribeye" ideas that were quite nice.

SydneyCarton · October 16

10 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

His makeup is worse every day.

The best part about this clip is that it's obvious from the start that is a smart guy, and he's not voting for Trump, and he showed up to ask a question he knew Trump would fuck up for the rest of the audience so they'd see what a racist dipshit he is...

Aqua Buddha · October 16

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He's not wrong. Really, he's not wrong about any of it. Except...he doesn't get into the "how and why" these things came about. Here's the rest of the story:

Young white men had it easy in terms of higher education, social dynamics, male roles in society and work, romantic relationships, etc.....because for GENERATIONS (really, all of western history), the deck was stacked IN THEIR FAVOR in all of those respects.

It was easier for Willy Whiteguy to get into a decent university because.....no/few minorities, and no/few women were competing for admission slots.

It was easier to participate in social institutions because they were almost all built for and run/filled with almost exclusively....white men. The Elks Lodge, fraternities, the local church Board of Elders, all of it....99% white guys.

Nice cushy job in a downtown office, or at a good factory? Again....much easier to get because they were filled 99% by white guys, no real competition from minorities or women for those jobs.

Romantic relationships? When women didn't have any real prospects for a safe, stable, secure (including financial security) future without a man to provide for them, men held all the cards. And again, the highest-value cards (remember the good education and all those good jobs) were held by white guys. If Pretty Paula wanted a nice house and decent food and a good lifestyle, she needed to marry a Willy Whiteguy, or she was hosed. Today....Pretty Paula beat out Willy Whiteguy for the latest promotion. She has a nice townhome, eats well, and has a nice life....she doesn't need Willy Whiteguy for any of that. Sure, she still might like a sexually compatible companion whose company she finds pleasing, but Whining Willy Whiteguy isn't doing great in that respect -- he sits at home, plays video games, has little ambition, and bitches about the fact that women who look like supermodels (the only women he thinks have any value) won't fuck him, and it must be someone else's fault.

We've failed young men because we haven't pounded into their heads "society isn't just going to hand you this shit anymore, you have to go out there and earn it." And you're goddamned right I put a lot of that on the heads of loser young men who don't have the ambition or balls to get up out of the gaming chair and improve themselves. But I also put some of that on the rest of society, because we indeed have failed young men. When you take away an expected pathway (for all the right reasons -- none of this was to "punish" young white men, but simply to allow everyone else onto the field to compete as well) without offering a well-defined alternative pathway, people end up lost. Shut down the factory in town where everyone works, without providing an alternative, training for a different field, etc., the former factory workers are 1) fucked and 2) pissed. Metaphorically, we've done some of that, and we haven't figured out how to equip our young men for the new paradigm. We really need to do that.

On the bright side, for young men who DO have their shit together, they're in high cotton. My son has talked about it (and he's already seen guys descend into the Andrew Tate world, bitter and angry, with little educational/professional/romantic success). He says "look, I'm smart enough, ambitious with a good work ethic, I'm decent looking and know how to dress and not look like a bum, and I can engage with women as equals and not treat them like they should be my property....I'm doing great." And he is. I'm sure he'd have done well under the old paradigm as well, but employers still want to hire men. Women still want male romantic partners. They just want winners, not losers. And has his peers fall away and become embittered losers, he looks better and better.

But for all of our sake, that shouldn't be how things go. His loser peers need to catch up, because society being stuck with a huge clump of underperforming, angry and bitter young men isn't good for anyone.

Scott Galloway did a most excellent podcast that basically hit every single one of those points. I think this is it and still a great listen.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/failing-young-men-with-richard-reeves/id1498802610?i=1000584062413

You mentioned that young men need to get their shit together and I'd like to expand on that. There doesn't seem to much ambition with younger men to get girls. When we were "utes," literally everything I did was to get laid/get a girl. Look better, get a car, go to college, make money, etc. Every single one of those had girls as a component as to the why. Even college wasn't so much about throwing leg in college. It was about making more money as an adult, knowing I'd have more options with women.

I see it a lot and I honestly have more in common with young women now. They want the same things out of life I wanted at that age. The boys barely want to even drive.

I do think porn is a problem and lord knows I'm not a sexual conservative. I think the amount and type of porn these young men consumer completely ruins their ability to relate to women. (Neg away, porn fiends.)

The Dog · October 16

12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Young white men had it easy in terms of higher education, social dynamics, male roles in society and work, romantic relationships, etc.....because for GENERATIONS (really, all of western history), the deck was stacked IN THEIR FAVOR in all of those respects.

One caveat - as a white male, I'd argue this is still the case. It's still very much a white man's world.

What's been happening is the right has used things like affirmative action and DEI as red herrings to make white men think that they are going to be excluded or replaced, when in reality it's just about leveling a playing field that even with those is heavily tilted in their favor.

texasdago · October 16

11 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Absolutely. I was referring to his illegal take that Kamala Harris unilaterally got the New York legislature to change the statue limitations. Because those assholes can never decide whether she is a criminal mastermind or an absolute gibbering idiot. just like uncle Joe

Ah no... he actually referred to her as devious. He thinks we know what Trump is and people have their guards up.

hahahahahahhahahahahahaha

hahahahahaha

Like Republicans are going to keep his power in check

Chewbacca · October 16

44 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yes on the second part.

Though trying to frame it as Harris v Vance isn't the *worst* idea because H2H polling, she crushes him.

Like, look - if Trump wins, Vance will be president faster than you can blink.

I'm just saying there will be no big 'win' from JV like there was with Trump because he's unflappable while peddling his 'there was supposed to be no fact checking' bullshit.

YChang · October 16

2 hours ago, locodos said:

Also German hot potato salad is the shit.

So I'm Chinese, but my parents spent quiet some time living in Austria where they learned to love and cook a lot of German/Austrian cuisine. So when we immigrated to Houston for the early part of my life all I knew was German potato salad. I still remembered being shocked going way to summer camp in central Texas and for the first time seeing... mayonnaise in potato salad.

locodos · October 16

Just now, YChang said:

So I'm Chinese, but my parents spent quiet some time living in Austria where they learned to love and cook a lot of German/Austrian cuisine. So when we immigrated to Houston for the early part of my life all I knew was German potato salad. I still remembered being shocked going way to summer camp in central Texas and for the first time seeing... mayonnaise in potato salad.

Well switch that shit around... You're a basic southern white boy and in highschool you go to a cookout and the potato salad is hot and has bacon in it? This has been an option the whole time? tha fuck!?

Bullneck · October 16

2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Nah. Hell, there wasn't even booze. House full of Baptists.

On another note, here's another gem from Trump's whatever that was earlier today:

Imagine being so dumb you need Trump to explain things to you.

otisdog · October 16

1 hour ago, MissingInAction said:

Have you been to Nebraska?

Oh, yes....

Friends of my parents up and left Southern California and bought a huge corn farm there. 3 of the most depressing 'vacations' that we ever took. Still, no raisins.

Brisketexan · October 16

17 minutes ago, The Dog said:

One caveat - as a white male, I'd argue this is still the case. It's still very much a white man's world.

What's been happening is the right has used things like affirmative action and DEI as red herrings to make white men think that they are going to be excluded or replaced, when in reality it's just about leveling a playing field that even with those is heavily tilted in their favor.

No disagreement. But still, when for centuries, you've had a 100 yard head start in the race, and now you only have a 50 yard head start....and because you had the 100 yard head start you never bothered to learn to run that fast because you didn't need to, the head start gave you all the advantage you needed....well, loss of a huge advantage into a smaller advantage can feel like a DISadvantage.

Young white men still have every chance to succeed -- they even have built in advantages. But they have to actually fucking work for it now because there's competition. We gotta figure out how to get them off their asses to compete.

wildcat09 · October 16

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Yes on the second part.

Though trying to frame it as Harris v Vance isn't the *worst* idea because H2H polling, she crushes him.

Like, look - if Trump wins, Vance will be president faster than you can blink.

And who wrote the forward for Project 2025?

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