2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Js1 83349]

6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Can you even imagine what it would look like if the situations were reversed, and we had settled into a system where republicans were almost guaranteed to always get more votes, but the elections were coin flips? This Supreme Court probably would have already tossed out the EC.

If Texas ever flips, EC is gone gone gone. 

[atomheartbevo 89015]

4 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I think he *didnt* say mixed race. That’s what made it funny.  He said all these substantive due process cases are suspect, listed them out, *somehow* forgot about Loving. 

He danced around it, but what he cited directly impacts Loving.

[hookem2010 2540]

5 hours ago, South Austin said:

John is giving Jonathan a run for title of King of the Dipshits.

John now won't vote for Biden because he's making a factual statement on the campaign trail that Donald Trump is a convicted felon.  And, of course, if it was the other way around, Trump would be spiking the football at every opportunity.

At this point I know these people exist. I don't understand it, but I've come to grips with the fact that they are real. But when I actually read the things they say, it hurts my brain. It makes no goddamn sense. How did we evolve to become the dominant lifeform on the planet when a huge chunk of the human population has such dysfunctional thought processes?

[YGIFS 19445]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

I will not feel any sense of relief until Trump is dead, buried, and the first 10,000 detractors have pissed on his grave. 

I don't know how to make memes.  But I had an idea for one along these lines.  And while his gravesite (likely Florida or his family's plots in Queens) will become a rallying point for violent extremists (which is why the practice of not burying inciting lunatics came into fashion within the last 100 years).  The Secret Service, or at least local law enforcemnt, would likely patrol his burial site.  But I'm picturing the Pawn Star guys as the law guys:

-I want to take a shit on Trump's Grave for $100

"Meh.  Best I can do is $5 to piss on Eric's tombstone."  

Almost every President of the 20th century is either entombed at some church, national site, or their Presidential Library.  He's never going to have one so that rules that out.  It'll still be some sort of "guarded" location but it'll be difficult to defecate there.  Difficult, but not impossible.  My grift idea about the exploratory library committee aside, it's probably for the best they don't build one for him.  Because think about how many people would get arrested for taking shits in public all over that fucking thing.  I mean, thousands of us would be arrested every year and thousands of children traumatized.  But the magnesium citrate/malt liquor cocktail chugging contests in the parking lot would be fucking epic.  

[StassneyHorn 6440]

The National Vote Interstate Compact will replace Electoral College, ya stupids. 

 

 

[miguelito 11108]

The Electoral College doesn't even have a football team!

[Biff Tannen 45151]

1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

The National Vote Interstate Compact will replace Electoral College, ya stupids. 

 

 

Well patient bear is running out of patience. 

[StassneyHorn 6440]

That was my sarcasm font

other news, Montana had 188k mail-in votes received before today. They are on my “next Western state to be overrun and invaded by Califernya libruls” for MT-1.

[Pato del Muerto 52093]

3 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

That was my sarcasm font

other news, Montana had 188k mail-in votes received before today. They are on my “next Western state to be overrun and invaded by Califernya libruls” for MT-1.

They have, or just recently had, a Democratic senator I believe. It’s way closer than its neighbor states. 

[troph 24024]

across all age groups, all races, all genders, all education levels - the net is + in favor of conviction. Yet Republicans are net -57% against. man, that's one subset of the whole that doesn't have a majority in any of those demographic groups. that's intense.

[troph 24024]

9 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

That was my sarcasm font

other news, Montana had 188k mail-in votes received before today. They are on my “next Western state to be overrun and invaded by Califernya libruls” for MT-1.

 

4 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

They have, or just recently had, a Democratic senator I believe. It’s way closer than its neighbor states. 

they also have a different brand of R at times, there's serious environmentalists in MT that could give a fuck about greenpeace or DC liberals.

[Brisketexan 103601]

Just now, troph said:

across all age groups, all races, all genders, all education levels - the net is + in favor of conviction. Yet Republicans are net -57% against. man, that's one subset of the whole that doesn't have a majority in any of those demographic groups. that's intense.

Typing "Republicans" is easier than typing the demographic group of "fucking psychopaths who put party over country," so there you are.

[troph 24024]

If Biden wins these polls are going to be the first thing these yahoos point to for fraud. These polls need to get it fucking right or disband. Alternatively it’s time to get really fucking worried.

[Brisketexan 103601]

If Biden wins these polls are going to be the first thing these yahoos point to for fraud. These polls need to get it fucking right or disband. Alternatively it’s time to get really fucking worried.

Correct. These are the two outcomes: the polls are right, meaning we’re fucked. Or the polls are wrong, meaning we’re fucked.

[South Austin 51632]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Correct. These are the two outcomes: the polls are right, meaning we’re fucked. Or the polls are wrong, meaning we’re fucked.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11536]

Biden curbing asylum + 34 convictions = curtains, imo.

[Hank Kingsley 20104]

lmao, will hit at least 75% by July 

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10000]

10 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

lmao, will hit at least 75% by July 

 

Shocking the law and order crowd suddenly is "well, except for the old, rich, privileged, white guy"

[Aqua Buddha 14214]

17 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Typing "Republicans" is easier than typing the demographic group of "fucking psychopaths who put party over country," so there you are.

 

17 hours ago, troph said:

across all age groups, all races, all genders, all education levels - the net is + in favor of conviction. Yet Republicans are net -57% against. man, that's one subset of the whole that doesn't have a majority in any of those demographic groups. that's intense.

Well, half of all Republicans thought Taylor Swift was a CIA plant....

[TeeDubya 3328]

35 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Shocking the law and order crowd suddenly is "well, except for the old, rich, privileged, white guy"

Just keep moving the line of acceptable conduct to keep the orange cheetojesus on the side of decency.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11536]

1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

 

Well, half of all Republicans thought Taylor Swift was a CIA plant....

Lulz that anyone still doubts this after she put out The Tortured Poets Department. 
 

Hello? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/04/us/politics/cia-torture-drawings.html?u2g=i&unlocked_article_code=1.xU0.kHyF.OEotYZRf2VVB&smid=url-share

[Pancho 42837]

22 hours ago, crash_davis said:

I don't give a shit about the Electoral College. It's been the way we vote for Presidents for over 2 centuries.  

That doesn’t mean it’s not outdated.

 

 

[Chuckie Finster 22321]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

lmao, will hit at least 75% by July 

 

Why I stopped voting Republican, summed up in a single poll.

[Brisketexan 103601]

Just now, Chuckie Finster said:

Why I stopped voting Republican, summed up in a single poll.

They literally have no principles other than "Trump."  That's it.  It's their entire belief system -- everything they used to believe in, or be against, is tossed aside without a second thought based on "Trump."

[Red Five 40355]

12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They literally have no principles other than "Trump."  That's it.  It's their entire belief system -- everything they used to believe in, or be against, is tossed aside without a second thought based on "Trump."

A New York liberal, pretending to have republican "principles" himself. 

Edited June 5 by Red Five
a little hungover

[C-Man 26696]

This seems less-than-ideal: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/behind-closed-doors-biden-shows-signs-of-slipping/ar-BB1nDMKT

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WASHINGTON—When President Biden met with congressional leaders in the West Wing in January to negotiate a Ukraine funding deal, he spoke so softly at times that some participants struggled to hear him, according to five people familiar with the meeting. He read from notes to make obvious points, paused for extended periods and sometimes closed his eyes for so long that some in the room wondered whether he had tuned out.

In a February one-on-one chat in the Oval Office with House Speaker Mike Johnson, the president said a recent policy change by his administration that jeopardizes some big energy projects was just a study, according to six people told at the time about what Johnson said had happened. Johnson worried the president’s memory had slipped about the details of his own policy.

Last year, when Biden was negotiating with House Republicans to lift the debt ceiling, his demeanor and command of the details seemed to shift from one day to the next, according to then-House Speaker Kevin McCarthy and two others familiar with the talks. On some days, he had loose and spontaneous exchanges with Republicans, and on others he mumbled and appeared to rely on notes.

“I used to meet with him when he was vice president. I’d go to his house,” McCarthy said in an interview. “He’s not the same person.”

The 81-year-old Biden is the oldest person to hold the presidency. His age and cognitive fitness have become major issues in his campaign for a second term, both in the minds of voters and in attacks on him by Republicans. The White House and top aides said he remains a sharp and vigorous leader.

Some who have worked with him, however, including Democrats and some who have known him back to his time as vice president, described a president who appears slower now, someone who has both good moments and bad ones.

For much of his career, Biden enjoyed a reputation on Capitol Hill for being a master negotiator of legislative deals, known for his detailed knowledge of issues and insights into the other side’s motivations and needs—and for hitting his stride when the pressure was on. Over the past year, though, with Republicans in control of the House, that reputation has diminished.

White House officials dismissed many of the accounts from those who have met with the president or been briefed on those meetings as motivated by partisan politics.

“Congressional Republicans, foreign leaders and nonpartisan national-security experts have made clear in their own words that President Biden is a savvy and effective leader who has a deep record of legislative accomplishment,” said White House spokesman Andrew Bates. “Now, in 2024, House Republicans are making false claims as a political tactic that flatly contradict previous statements made by themselves and their colleagues.”

This article is based on interviews with more than 45 people over several months. The interviews were with Republicans and Democrats who either participated in meetings with Biden or were briefed on them contemporaneously, including administration officials and other Democrats who found no fault in the president’s handling of the meetings. Most of those who said Biden performed poorly were Republicans, but some Democrats said that he showed his age in several of the exchanges.

The White House kept close tabs on some of The Wall Street Journal’s interviews with Democratic lawmakers. After the offices of several Democrats shared with the White House either a recording of an interview or details about what was asked, some of those lawmakers spoke to the Journal a second time and once again emphasized Biden’s strengths.

“They just, you know, said that I should give you a call back,” said Rep. Gregory Meeks, a New York Democrat, referring to the White House.

Bates, the White House spokesman, said: “We thought it was important that all perspectives be represented” to correct what he said were “false and politically motivated claims.”

Former President Donald Trump, who at 77 is 3½ years younger than Biden, also has faced questions about his mental acuity. Indeed, both candidates have been captured repeatedly on camera slipping up on facts or otherwise botching their public remarks, providing a steady stream of fodder for both Democrats and Republicans to attack the mental capacity of the opposing candidate.

During Biden’s January meeting on Ukraine, the president laid out a forceful case for providing aid, according to administration officials and some participants, who added that using notes in such meetings is common practice. White House spokesman Bates denied that Biden had misspoken during his one-on-one exchange with Johnson in February about energy policy.

Administration aides familiar with last year’s debt-ceiling negotiations said Biden was effective, that his role was to be above the fray and to provide detailed instructions behind the scenes. They said McCarthy privately told administration officials at the time that he was impressed with Biden’s performance, and that McCarthy suggested as much in public remarks.

They said the passage of both Ukraine funding and a debt-ceiling increase without major concessions to Republicans shows he succeeded.

Some who attended the meetings attributed off-key moments to his speech impediment and his tendency to be long-winded. Those who expressed concern about Biden said the behavior they saw suggested an unevenness, not the caricature of an addled leader that some of his political opponents draw. The White House said the president’s doctors have found him fit to serve, and that his recent annual physical showed no need for a cognitive test.

Members of the Biden administration offered numerous examples of other situations that they said showed the president was sharp and engaged, including long hours in the Situation Room in April during and after Iran’s missile attack on Israel, and late nights on the phone with lawmakers from his White House residence.

Voter perceptions about the mental acuity of both candidates are being shaped partly by footage and news coverage of their public slips.

On May 20, during a Rose Garden event celebrating Jewish American Heritage month, Biden said one of the U.S. hostages held in Gaza was a guest at the White House event, before correcting himself. One day earlier, at a campaign event in Detroit, he indicated that he was vice president during the Covid-19 pandemic, which started three years after he left that office. It was one of numerous flubs in the single speech that prompted the White House to make corrections to the official transcript.

In January, he mixed up two of his Hispanic cabinet secretaries, Alejandro Mayorkas and Xavier Becerra. During a February fundraiser in New York, he recounted speaking to German Chancellor Helmut Kohl—who died in 2017—at the 2021 Group of Seven meeting. That same month, at a different fundraiser, he said that during the 2021 G-7 summit he had spoken to former French President François Mitterrand, who died in 1996.

Trump, for his part, mixed up Nikki Haley, a Republican presidential primary opponent, and House speaker emeritus Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the California Democrat, during a January speech. At a rally in Virginia in March, he referred to Biden as Barack Obama when commenting on Russian leader Vladimir Putin’s opinion of U.S. leadership. During his criminal trial in New York in May, he closed his eyes for extended periods.

After the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, there was so much concern over Trump’s mental state that some of his cabinet officials discussed whether there should be a greater check on his power and at least one considered invoking the 25th Amendment to remove him from office.

A Trump spokeswoman said he is “sharp as a tack.”

In a March Wall Street Journal survey of voters in seven battleground states, just 28% said Biden was better suited physically and mentally for the presidency, while 48% picked Trump.

Questions about Biden’s age were amplified in February when Special Counsel Robert K. Hur, who interviewed him for roughly five hours over two days in October during the probe into his handling of classified documents, reported that Biden’s memory had been “significantly limited.” Biden responded in a news conference: “I know what the hell I’m doing.”

Americans have had minimal opportunities to see Biden in unscripted moments. By the end of April, he had given fewer interviews and press conferences than any of his recent predecessors, according to data collected by Martha Joynt Kumar, an emeritus professor at Towson University. His last wide-ranging town-hall-style meeting with an independent news outlet was in October 2021.

He has had fewer small meetings with lawmakers as his term has gone on, visitor logs show. During his first year in office, even with pandemic restrictions, he held more than three dozen meetings of fewer than 20 lawmakers in the West Wing. That number fell to roughly two dozen in his second year, and about a dozen in his third year.

Bates, the White House spokesman, said the new Republican-controlled House presented fewer opportunities for a Democratic president to push major legislation.

Jan. 17, 2024: Ukraine Meeting

With Ukraine running out of munitions, the White House called together top lawmakers to discuss what it would take to get congressional funding, along with the scope of border-security changes demanded by Republicans. The president moved so slowly around the Cabinet Room to greet the nearly two dozen congressional leaders that it took about 10 minutes for the meeting to begin, some people who attended recalled.

Biden started the meeting reading from notes to make broad points about the need to give money to Ukraine, which struck several participants as odd given that the lawmakers present already generally agreed that more funds were needed. Some attendees had trouble hearing him.

Biden deferred so frequently to other lawmakers that much of the conversation didn’t include him, some people who attended the meeting recalled. When questions came directly to him, he would turn to staffers, they said.

“You couldn’t be there and not feel uncomfortable,” said one person who attended. “I’ll just say that.”

Gene Sperling, a top Biden aide who also worked for former presidents Bill Clinton and Obama, said it is standard practice for presidents to read from cards in serious policy meetings with lawmakers. Casey Redmon, a National Security Council official who attended, said Biden turned to aides only twice, deferring one question to National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan and another to Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines.

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, a New York Democrat who attended, said Biden was “incredibly strong, forceful and decisive.” The White House provided similar statements from two top officials who attended: Shalanda Young, director of the Office of Management and Budget, and Deputy National Security Adviser Jon Finer. Bates, the White House spokesman, said no one in the room said anything at the time about having trouble hearing Biden.

“What you see on TV is what you get,” said Sen. James E. Risch, an Idaho Republican, who attended the meeting but shared only his general impression of meetings with Biden. “These people who keep talking about what a dynamo he is behind closed doors—they need to get him out from behind closed doors, because I didn’t see it.”

Behind Closed Doors, Biden Shows Signs of Slipping© Samuel Corum/Getty Images

Others who attended said Biden’s demeanor and level of engagement fluctuated and he seemed lively and engaged at some points. When the topic moved to an immigration overhaul, Johnson, the House speaker, offered Biden a list of dozens of executive actions he could undo to improve border security. Biden, rather than responding to Johnson’s suggestions, chided him, according to people at the meeting, “I’ve forgotten more about immigration than you’ll ever know.”

Bates, the White House spokesman, characterized Biden’s retort as a “lighthearted comment” about his long experience with immigration policy. Bates said Johnson later publicly described the meeting positively, and that the meeting put Congress on the trajectory to pass Ukraine aid.

Meeks, the New York Democrat, said he didn’t come away from the meeting worried about Biden’s acuity. “I found him to be the same Joe Biden that I’ve known since I came to Congress,” said Meeks, who was elected in 1998.

Feb. 27, 2024: Biden and Johnson

Just after a late-February meeting of House and Senate leaders about military assistance to Ukraine, Biden pulled aside Johnson for a chat about funding and what it would take to bring the matter to a House vote.

Johnson brought up a new administration energy policy that halts future permits for shipping LNG to many countries, including in Europe, while the climate, economic and national-security impact of those exports are studied. The policy fanned concern that the ban would scuttle new projects and ultimately force U.S. allies to import more from energy-rich adversaries like Russia. The policy also affects several multibillion-dollar projects in Johnson’s home state of Louisiana by denying them, for now, key export permits.

“Mr. President, you are helping Vladimir Putin,” Johnson told the president, according to one of the people briefed on the exchange. Biden said that wasn’t true, and that the new policy was only a study, according to several people familiar with Johnson’s version of what happened. Johnson was dismayed that Biden appeared to have forgotten details of his own policies, they said.

Bates, the White House spokesman, said that those who have heard Johnson’s version are repeating “a false account.” He said the study is part of the new policy, and that the pause doesn’t affect current exports. Administration officials said Biden was attempting to signal to Johnson that the policy wouldn’t have the detrimental effects he worried about.

Johnson declined to be interviewed for this article. Taylor Haulsee, a spokesman for Johnson, said the speaker stands by the account that Biden appeared to misunderstand the policy.

Senior White House officials disputed assertions that Biden doesn’t understand his policies or appears disengaged, saying he has been sharp when dealing with crises and pushing through his legislative priorities.

In mid-April, during the pressure-packed hours when Iran was attacking Israel, Biden stayed in the Situation Room tracking Iran’s missiles and drones as they were shot down while strategizing with senior aides about what to say to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu when the attack ended, according to an administration official.

Biden sought de-escalation, telling Netanyahu on that call that he didn’t need a major military response to the unprecedented attack. Using military shorthand that refers to tit-for-tat responses as “turns,” the official said, Biden told the Israeli leader: “Don’t do a turn three.”

When the call ended, Biden told his national security team that he suspected Israel would still respond in some way, but that his argument was likely to minimize the response. He was right: Israel hit a military target in central Iran, a limited strike.

May 2023: Debt Ceiling

In 2011, when Biden was vice president, he played a central role in negotiations with Republicans over increasing the debt ceiling, striking a deal when the country was on the precipice of a default. According to some Republicans involved in similar negotiations with him in May 2023, his level of engagement was uneven.

“He would ramble,” said McCarthy, who led the Republican side of the talks. “He always had cards. He couldn’t negotiate another way.”

When the deal was coming together, though, McCarthy wasn’t as openly critical of the president. He said he enjoyed meeting with him, and he praised Biden’s staff. “I thought his team was very professional, very smart, very tough at the same time,” he told reporters in May 2023.

For the final phase of the talks, McCarthy assigned fellow Republican House members Garret Graves of Louisiana and Patrick McHenry of North Carolina to work with White House aides on nitty-gritty issues.

At times, the White House team would defer items, saying Biden needed to make the final call. But Biden wouldn’t discuss those points in detail when he had check-in talks with McCarthy, according to people familiar with the conversations. He kept the calls general, expressing optimism about working things out, according to one of those people.

Administration officials said Biden was employing an oft-used negotiating tactic of staying above the fray. McCarthy, one of the officials said, was doing the same thing.

On May 21 of last year, 11 days away from a possible default, Biden called McCarthy from Air Force One on his way back from a summit meeting in Japan to discuss the negotiations. “On that phone call, he was more with it than any other time,” McCarthy said. Biden told stories about the other foreign leaders at the conference and referenced how the debt-ceiling talks could impact various members of Congress politically, according to people familiar with it.

When McCarthy and other lawmakers met with the president the next day, McCarthy said, Biden lacked the spontaneity he had projected on the plane. “He was going back to all the old stuff that had been done for a long time,” McCarthy said. “And he was shocked when I’d say: ‘No, Mr. President. We talked about that meetings ago. We are done with that.’”

Administration officials said that during a negotiation it is not unusual for the White House to reassert its original position at various points, sometimes to show Democrats that the president is still pushing for their priorities.

The president spoke so softly and with such little enunciation that attendees said they struggled to hear what he was saying, people familiar with the meeting said. He told the same story more than once about his experiences with the DuPont company during his time as a Delaware senator, one of the people said.

Administration officials who were at the meeting said they saw nothing unusual about Biden’s demeanor and that they didn’t struggle to hear what he said or recall him repeating a story. Bates, the White House spokesman, said Biden didn’t rely overly on notes, and that through his long career he has frequently repeated anecdotes in meetings.

When the Republican negotiators came out of the meeting, McCarthy was upbeat, telling reporters that the “tone” of the White House meeting was “better than any other time we’ve had discussions.”

As Republican negotiators drove away from the White House, they called a colleague to update him on the talks, according to someone familiar with the call. One topic of discussion: the president and his acuity.

 

[Chuckie Finster 22321]

3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

This seems less-than-ideal: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/behind-closed-doors-biden-shows-signs-of-slipping/ar-BB1nDMKT

 

 

 

[YGIFS 19445]

23 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They literally have no principles other than "Trump."  That's it.  It's their entire belief system -- everything they used to believe in, or be against, is tossed aside without a second thought based on "Trump."

GOP:  "Look, we have other guiding principles!  It's not all about Trump!"

America: "Okay, your last RNC platform was literally gutted and just listed Trump.  So what are these other ideas and planks?"
GOP:  "Well we have a number of other ideas.  Such as ideals, and greatness, and other things of that nature."  

America:  "Lemme guess.  You'll get back to us with those details in two weeks?"  

[David Dennison 17797]

Don't care, still voting for him.

[Red Five 40355]

I've seen it with family... late 70s/early 80s you can start aging almost exponentially it seems. 78 being very different from say oh I don't know, 81. 

We need five really good months from you Joe.

(but that article could also be mostly bullshit)

[Pato del Muerto 52093]

32 minutes ago, C-Man said:

according to six people told at the time about what Johnson said had happened.

Wtf is this shit?

[The Royal We 3051]

Take it from that well known straight shooter, good ole Mike Johnson.

[Aqua Buddha 14214]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Don't care, still voting for him.

I'd vote for Joe Biden's two year old corpse over Trump.  It'd be Weekend at Bernie's and I wouldn't care.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13310]

23 hours ago, Js1 said:

If Texas ever flips, EC is gone gone gone. 

By that point, the Texas GOP will have passed a law that Texas counties only get 1 vote. Loving = Harris in presidential voting power. SCOTUS will have to rule on that. 

[Dahobbs 17227]

7 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I'd vote for Joe Biden's two year old corpse over Trump.  It'd be Weekend at Bernie's and I wouldn't care.

I'd be pretty ecstatic if I had the opportunity to vote for Trump's corpse. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11536]

the idea of him being 4 years older than this and being an effective president is basically laughable.  we just gotta distract people from that fact until november. he'll be alive.  he'll be smart still.  he just won't be sharp. probably not a single important summit with foreign leaders the entire next term.

[Chuckie Finster 22321]

 

 

[Js1 83349]

6 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 

 

Annie Linskey is garbage 

https://www.mediaite.com/news/wapo-reporter-slammed-for-tweet-about-biden-at-cemetery-where-family-members-are-buried-as-his-legislative-agenda-is-dying/amp/

I remember that tweet. Was pretty gross 

[texasdago 7407]

2 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Why I stopped voting Republican, summed up in a single poll.

Yup.

When I looked around and said, "y'all were pissed about Bill Clinton and his character but this guy is OK because he's your guy?"

That was it.  Never looked back.

[Brisketexan 103601]

5 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Yup.

When I looked around and said, "y'all were pissed about Bill Clinton and his character but this guy is OK because he's your guy?"

That was it.  Never looked back.

A lot of this.  I was (and still am) pissed at Bill Clinton for both lying straight to our faces while wagging his finger, and lying under oath.  And when I took that position, all of my Republican pals were nodding along with me.  And now that I apply the exact same standard to Dotard, they are nowhere to be found.  Fucking pathetic piece of shit hypocrites -- that's all that's left in the GQP.

[Horn Dog 9473]

2 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 

 

Not just republicans but McCarthy and Mikey Johnson.   The same 2 dipshits  that were out negotiated and out maneuvered at every turn by Sleepy Joe.  That is their source for this "article". 

[TeeDubya 3328]

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-donald-trump-polls-battleground-states-1908358

 

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President Joe Biden has overtaken his Republican challenger Donald Trump in three battleground states, according to polls five months before the presidential election.

In March, the incumbent and the former president won enough primary races to secure, respectively, the Democratic and Republican nominations in the 2024 presidential election. Polls have so far shown that the results will be tight as the pair are statistically tied in most surveys, or enjoying only marginal leads.

According to swing state polling by Florida Atlantic University (FAU) and Mainstreet Research, however, there are signs Biden is gaining ground in three key states.

 

Spoiler

President Joe Biden has overtaken his Republican challenger Donald Trump in three battleground states, according to polls five months before the presidential election.

In March, the incumbent and the former president won enough primary races to secure, respectively, the Democratic and Republican nominations in the 2024 presidential election. Polls have so far shown that the results will be tight as the pair are statistically tied in most surveys, or enjoying only marginal leads.

According to swing state polling by Florida Atlantic University (FAU) and Mainstreet Research, however, there are signs Biden is gaining ground in three key states.

Due to the U.S's Electoral College system, which awards each state a certain number of electoral votes based on population, battleground states will play a key role in determining the result of the election. A presidential candidate needs to secure 270 electoral votes for victory, and winning the national popular vote does not guarantee success. Surveys from those battleground states could be more telling than those of national polls.

In Wisconsin, when third-party candidates are included, 38 percent of respondents said they would vote for Biden while 31 percent would vote for Trump, according to the poll.

Under the same circumstances in Michigan, 41 percent said they would vote for Biden and 39 percent said they would vote for Trump.

In Pennsylvania, Biden would also win with 41 percent of the vote to Trump's 39 percent.

Biden won in these states by slim margins in the 2020 presidential election, taking all three from Trump after he won the three key states in 2016. In 2020, Biden won Michigan by 2.8 percent of the vote, Pennsylvania with 1.2 percent and Wisconsin with less than 1 percent.

Previous polls had indicated that Trump was ahead in key battleground states, including in polls that took into account third-party candidates.

The FAU/Mainstreet Research polling was conducted between May 30-May 31. It was partially completed online so a margin of error cannot be assigned to it, FAU said, but the pollsters added that a poll of this size would normally carry a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percent.

However, speaking to Newsweek Todd Landman, a professor of political science at Nottingham University in the U.K., said it was "still too far out from the election" to read much into swing state polls.

He said: "The race remains highly volatile, and it is still too far out from the election to make any firm conclusion from changing polls across these swing states."

He added that legal proceedings against Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, as well as sentencing in Trump's hush money case, which he was last week found guilty in could also affect voter's opinions.

"The Hunter Biden proceedings in Delaware are just underway and there is a very long time to go politically, with many unknown events that will have effects on voter preferences and choices at the national and state level," he said. "The sentencing for the Manhattan case is five weeks away and much could still happen that could change the electoral landscape."

Newsweek contacted representatives for Biden and Trump by email outside of business hours to comment on this story.

The presidential election will take place on November 5.

 

Edited June 5 by TeeDubya

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5 minutes ago, TeeDubya said:

He added that legal proceedings against Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, as well as sentencing in Trump's hush money case, which he was last week found guilty in could also affect voter's opinions.

"The Hunter Biden proceedings in Delaware are just underway and there is a very long time to go politically, with many unknown events that will have effects on voter preferences and choices at the national and state level," he said. "The sentencing for the Manhattan case is five weeks away and much could still happen that could change the electoral landscape."

Yeah, Biden's son checked a box on a form he shouldn't have, and Trump was convicted of 34 felonies. So, both sides. 

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42 minutes ago, TeeDubya said:

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-donald-trump-polls-battleground-states-1908358

 

 

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President Joe Biden has overtaken his Republican challenger Donald Trump in three battleground states, according to polls five months before the presidential election.

In March, the incumbent and the former president won enough primary races to secure, respectively, the Democratic and Republican nominations in the 2024 presidential election. Polls have so far shown that the results will be tight as the pair are statistically tied in most surveys, or enjoying only marginal leads.

According to swing state polling by Florida Atlantic University (FAU) and Mainstreet Research, however, there are signs Biden is gaining ground in three key states.

Due to the U.S's Electoral College system, which awards each state a certain number of electoral votes based on population, battleground states will play a key role in determining the result of the election. A presidential candidate needs to secure 270 electoral votes for victory, and winning the national popular vote does not guarantee success. Surveys from those battleground states could be more telling than those of national polls.

In Wisconsin, when third-party candidates are included, 38 percent of respondents said they would vote for Biden while 31 percent would vote for Trump, according to the poll.

Under the same circumstances in Michigan, 41 percent said they would vote for Biden and 39 percent said they would vote for Trump.

In Pennsylvania, Biden would also win with 41 percent of the vote to Trump's 39 percent.

Biden won in these states by slim margins in the 2020 presidential election, taking all three from Trump after he won the three key states in 2016. In 2020, Biden won Michigan by 2.8 percent of the vote, Pennsylvania with 1.2 percent and Wisconsin with less than 1 percent.

Previous polls had indicated that Trump was ahead in key battleground states, including in polls that took into account third-party candidates.

The FAU/Mainstreet Research polling was conducted between May 30-May 31. It was partially completed online so a margin of error cannot be assigned to it, FAU said, but the pollsters added that a poll of this size would normally carry a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percent.

However, speaking to Newsweek Todd Landman, a professor of political science at Nottingham University in the U.K., said it was "still too far out from the election" to read much into swing state polls.

He said: "The race remains highly volatile, and it is still too far out from the election to make any firm conclusion from changing polls across these swing states."

He added that legal proceedings against Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, as well as sentencing in Trump's hush money case, which he was last week found guilty in could also affect voter's opinions.

"The Hunter Biden proceedings in Delaware are just underway and there is a very long time to go politically, with many unknown events that will have effects on voter preferences and choices at the national and state level," he said. "The sentencing for the Manhattan case is five weeks away and much could still happen that could change the electoral landscape."

Newsweek contacted representatives for Biden and Trump by email outside of business hours to comment on this story.

The presidential election will take place on November 5.

 

So these are the polls we do trust, and not the ones that we don't trust?

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22 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

So these are the polls we do trust, and not the ones that we don't trust?

Trust none of them.  Polls are presently as broken as our collective brain.

In a sane timeline, a psychotic pathologically lying narcissist and convicted felon would be losing to "generic former senator" (which is truly what Biden is) by thirty fucking points.

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28 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

So these are the polls we do trust, and not the ones that we don't trust?

Yeah, we trust the poll that has Biden kicking ass in Wisconsin while barely holding on in Michigan and Pennsylvania 

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Run this ad in every metro suburb and college town in the us

 

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[Biff Tannen 45151]

What if they both die before the election?

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33 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

Rabies?