Alabama to perform 1st nitrogen gas execution

[The Earl of Texas 3161]

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/alabama-prepares-1st-nitrogen-gas-execution/story?id=106605519
 

Would be a very cheap & easily sourced alternative to lethal injection. You just need to get the mix right so he falls asleep ‘peacefully’ and it should be a success and legally defensible.

[ConferenceRoom 6146]

[Mother mopar 3324]

Why can't we do the needle thing? Shortage of needles, covid?

[royiv 9345]

To really save money, they can just roll him on down to the Costco Tire Center and have him suck on the nitrogen hose.

[Willfully Horn 8049]

Fentanyl is supposed to be both deadly and a desirable experience. Also, I’m told it’s everywhere. Junk those fuckers.

[Mother mopar 3324]

The death penalty should be abolished in the United States.

I was already questioning your user name but this hot take...well

[Dbeasy 15090]

17 minutes ago, F250 said:

The death penalty should be abolished in the United States.

Nm. Daily texan

Edited January 25 by Dbeasy

[royiv 9345]

From a deterrent standpoint, the death penalty isn't stopping anyone from committing a heinous crime. From an economic standpoint, executing someone is much more expensive than just locking someone up and throwing away the key. 

[Chooky 13318]

20 minutes ago, Mother mopar said:

Why can't we do the needle thing? Shortage of needles, covid?

There have been many botched executions in the last 15 years -- guys taking 45 minutes to an hour just laying there struggling. The makers of the drugs, many in Europe, have refused to provide correctional facilities with their drugs in a moral objection to capital punishment. Some prisons have been accused of purchasing black market generics from shady places supposedly manufactured on a street level. I don't know whether those claims are true or what came from the accusations. 

[Mother mopar 3324]

There have been many botched executions in the last 15 years -- guys taking 45 minutes to an hour just laying there struggling. The makers of the drugs, many in Europe, have refused to provide correctional facilities with their drugs in a moral objection to capital punishment. Some prisons have been accused of purchasing black market generics from shady places supposedly manufactured on a street level. I don't know whether those claims are true or what came from the accusations. 

Thanks, tracking now.

[Chewbacca 7783]

3 minutes ago, royiv said:

From a deterrent standpoint, the death penalty isn't stopping anyone from committing a heinous crime. From an economic standpoint, executing someone is much more expensive than just locking someone up and throwing away the key. 

Exactly.  Now throw in the cases where people have been wrongly convicted and later exonerated and it's hard to make a case that we should keep the death penalty.

[The Earl of Texas 3161]

Yes a lot of issues, and this guy they are using the nitrogen on survived his lethal injection in 2022.

 

[InkaUtexas 26093]

5 minutes ago, The Earl of Texas said:

Yes a lot of issues, and this guy they are using the nitrogen on survived his lethal injection in 2022.

 

I thought it was a last minute stay on appeal and he never faced the needle.

[royiv 9345]

3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I thought it was a last minute stay on appeal and he never faced the needle.

They couldn't get a vein before the death warrant expired.

[Chooky 13318]

Just now, The Earl of Texas said:

Yes a lot of issues, and this guy they are using the nitrogen on survived his lethal injection in 2022.

 

Whoa. I didn't know that. 

The argument that the death penalty is a deterrent is completely dead. And it's expensive and full of errors. At this point it's just simply something that is a cathartic exercise, and people are reluctant to admit that, for some reason. 

The arrival of DNA analysis exposed massive and horrific flaws. 

[UT_OB1 2224]

I used to be for it, and probably still would if it was 100% certain of guilt, but even one incorrect death is too many. And knowing how often we get it wrong, and in some cases intentionally, it should be abolished. 

[TwiceHorn 31534]

This is so hideous.  The companies that make lethal injection drugs have qualms about it so are not making them anymore, so the bloodthirsty states are having to scrape and scratch around for other ways to do it.

It's like a sign from the universe that maybe we shouldn't be doing this.

[Bevo 13600]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

This is so hideous.  The companies that make lethal injection drugs have qualms about it so are not making them anymore, so the bloodthirsty states are having to scrape and scratch around for other ways to do it.

It's like a sign from the universe that maybe we shouldn't be doing this.

Ha, are y'all telling me that Purdue Pharma doesn't want to sell lethal doses of pain medications?

[Pato del Muerto 52586]

10 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Ha, are y'all telling me that Purdue Pharma doesn't want to sell lethal doses of pain medications?

It’s the tiny volumes that are probably the issue. 
 

bullets and rope are both still cheap.  Heroin is available.  
 

or just stop killing people.  Don’t know how that part of the Bible gets lost on the Bible Belt states that still like to do it. 

[Deej 76903]

2 hours ago, The Earl of Texas said:

You just need to get the mix right so he falls asleep ‘peacefully

If only we'd had this during the Charlie Strong years.

[immamac 43006]

1 hour ago, royiv said:

From a deterrent standpoint, the death penalty isn't stopping anyone from committing a heinous crime. From an economic standpoint, executing someone is much more expensive than just locking someone up and throwing away the key. 

This is correct. It used to be cheap and quick now it’s absurd, the longest process ever and the most expensive thing possible from a penal system perspective. 

when you could sentence a fucker to death and hang them the next day/week or take them out back and shoot them it made “more sense” as a deterrent, because you get caught and you fucking die. 

[InkaUtexas 26093]

Yeah, but think about the lawyers.

[RDCanecutter 26468]

6 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Yeah, but think about the lawyers.

I don't care if they're lawyers, you just can't hang and shoot everybody.

[Surly Bevo 25144]

2 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I don't care if they're lawyers, you just can't hang and shoot everybody.

[DaggerHorns 3085]

38 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Yeah, but think about the lawyers.

 Speaking of killing people…

[tx 3 putt 77392]

2 hours ago, F250 said:

The death penalty should be abolished in the United States.

the process is so flawed, yes it should abolished 

[jkates 316]

Execute them all. More quickly. This dude earned his nitrogen nap. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11820]

3 hours ago, royiv said:

To really save money, they can just roll him on down to the Costco Tire Center and have him suck on the nitrogen hose.

After he’s dead, they could put green caps on his nipples.   What a world.  

[Upgrayedd 5818]

Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.  Where there’s fire, there’s NITRO.

[4th and 5 4915]

Death penalty is 3x cost of life sentence.

For every 9 executions carried out since the death penalty was reinstated in the 70s, one death row inmate has been exonerated.

The murder rate is highest where the death penalty exists, and lowest where there is no death penalty. There is no deterrent effect.

The death penalty is 3x more likely based on race of defendant or race of victim. Every study in every state has come to this same conclusion. 

In Harris county, the death penalty capital of the US, trial courts have almost universally adopted the prosecutors’ proposed findings of facts and conclusions of law in every death penalty case, effectively making judicial review by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals nothing more than a rubber stamp. 

[WBT 20662]

One breath death indeed

[Gatorubet 30301]

Why can’t we have a small room with just the prisoner and a TV with every Texas game from the Vince Young national championship year?  

That would not cost so much.  Even when you figure in the cost of buying Brisket a huge Mexican dinner - and whatever he charges to sit in the small room and watch the game - that has to be far more deadly and far less expensive than that. 

[TwiceHorn 31534]

3 hours ago, immamac said:

This is correct. It used to be cheap and quick now it’s absurd, the longest process ever and the most expensive thing possible from a penal system perspective. 

when you could sentence a fucker to death and hang them the next day/week or take them out back and shoot them it made “more sense” as a deterrent, because you get caught and you fucking die. 

There's little or no evidence that the swiftness or sureness of the death penalty would increase its deterrent effect, which is about zero.

And it makes sense, because like many or most crimes, capital offenses are just not rational.  One could not reasonably expect a death penalty defendant to cost-benefit analyze their crimes and nope out of them because the penalty is just too much. "Man, I'd totally do this mass/serial murder if I only got 50 years  . . . . ."

 

Edited January 25 by TwiceHorn

[Modessit 5603]

Is the death penalty flawed in its current execution? Yes.

Are there times when maybe an innocent person was executed? Probably.

Is the death penalty way too expensive when we can just lock them up and throw away the key until they die off of old age? Sure.

Should the death penalty be abolished? No.

Despite all the problems, costs, etc, there are times when we just need to kill the fucker.

Like this guy:

(Don't read it if you can't handle it. Deals with the death of a special needs child.)

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/15/louisiana.child.killing/index.html

That guy does not need to breathe air anymore. He confessed. He did it. Take him out back and put a bullet in his brain. Cheap. Easy. I'd be hard pressed not to just throw him in a pen with a bunch of hungry crocs or gators and let them eat him alive. That kind of piece of shit doesn't need to be sitting in a jail cell for 60 years.

[Modessit 5603]

BTW- that guy was found Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity 3 years later and put in a hospital.

Dennis Miller had the right idea:

"Oh, you were crazy when you killed them? Fine. We'll fry you in a clown suit."

[Poester 109]

Fuck that, you kill anyone I love and I’m going to be windexing those execution windows so I can get the best view. 

[Herbie Hancock 7373]

Ya know the more I think about it, ol’ Billy was right. Let’s kill all the lawyers, kill ‘em tonight.

[Degenerate Gardner 4085]

5 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

the process is so flawed, yes it should abolished 

A state that insists government is the problem assures you it can administer humane death. You gotta problem with that?

[Dahobbs 17679]

4 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Why can’t we have a small room with just the prisoner and a TV with every Texas game from the Vince Young national championship year?  

That would not cost so much.  Even when you figure in the cost of buying Brisket a huge Mexican dinner - and whatever he charges to sit in the small room and watch the game - that has to be far more deadly and far less expensive than that. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21223]

3 hours ago, Modessit said:

Is the death penalty flawed in its current execution? Yes.

Are there times when maybe an innocent person was executed? Probably.

Is the death penalty way too expensive when we can just lock them up and throw away the key until they die off of old age? Sure.

Should the death penalty be abolished? No.

Despite all the problems, costs, etc, there are times when we just need to kill the fucker.

Like this guy:

(Don't read it if you can't handle it. Deals with the death of a special needs child.)

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/15/louisiana.child.killing/index.html

That guy does not need to breathe air anymore. He confessed. He did it. Take him out back and put a bullet in his brain. Cheap. Easy. I'd be hard pressed not to just throw him in a pen with a bunch of hungry crocs or gators and let them eat him alive. That kind of piece of shit doesn't need to be sitting in a jail cell for 60 years.

 

Counterpoint:  23 hours/day in a cell alone for 60 years is infinitely more hellish than a gurney ride.  The DP is just an easy way out, imo. 

[Bevo 13600]

What do you guys have against nitrogen? It is 78% of our atmosphere. If ya'll don't like it, ya'll can move to Mars or some place.

[Revolution512 1495]

11 hours ago, F250 said:

The death penalty should be abolished in the United States.

In favor of what?

[ConferenceRoom 6146]

I'm sure we can think of something that doesn't include the state participating in vengeance and killing its own citizens. 

[ocugolf 1214]

5 hours ago, Modessit said:

Is the death penalty flawed in its current execution? Yes.

Are there times when maybe an innocent person was executed? Probably.

Is the death penalty way too expensive when we can just lock them up and throw away the key until they die off of old age? Sure.

Should the death penalty be abolished? No.

Despite all the problems, costs, etc, there are times when we just need to kill the fucker.

Like this guy:

(Don't read it if you can't handle it. Deals with the death of a special needs child.)

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/15/louisiana.child.killing/index.html

That guy does not need to breathe air anymore. He confessed. He did it. Take him out back and put a bullet in his brain. Cheap. Easy. I'd be hard pressed not to just throw him in a pen with a bunch of hungry crocs or gators and let them eat him alive. That kind of piece of shit doesn't need to be sitting in a jail cell for 60 years.

 

Blaine Milam here in Texas. The only time i couldn’t finish the facts of a case. What he and his girlfriend did to their two year old is the worst I’ve seen or heard. They can both die imo. 

[hookemATL 11853]

6 hours ago, Modessit said:

Are there times when maybe an innocent person was executed? Probably.

What?

Definitely. As in it happens quite a bit. 

but what’s a few thousand dead innocent folks in the long run? I am sure their families and loved ones understand them being sacrificed at the altar of bloodlust and lynchmobs. Gotta crack some eggs to make an omelette I suppose!
 

This sets aside all the crooked tactics LEOs and the criminal justice system uses to lock people up in the first place. 

[Pam Cummings 9658]

"I hate people who kill innocent people"

 

"Lets use a system of punishment that guarantees we kill innocent people"

 

No idea how people square these two beliefs.

[Guest]

Death penalty might not be a good deterrent, but its recidivism rate can't be beaten.

I used to be very pro- death penalty, and now I am much more against it.  Except for child molesters and if you get caught stealing catalytic converters. Fuck those people.

[Bevo 13600]

1 hour ago, ConferenceRoom said:

I'm sure we can think of something that doesn't include the state participating in vengeance and killing its own citizens. 

Is the law based on any moral clarity these days? I am pro abortion and pro-death penalty so at least I am consistent. I can see the point of being against both abortion and the death penalty, though.

On Tuesday, a California woman who fatally stabbed her boyfriend more than 100 times during what prosecutors called a "cannabis-induced" psychosis was spared prison time. That same judge probably feels that Cannabis is safe and it shouldn't be a crime to smoke it. It seems to me that judge lacks moral clarity whatever his positions may be.

So, getting back to the death penalty, making a moral case seems less important. What is more important is what the majority of people think.

[Pato del Muerto 52586]

7 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

"I hate people who kill innocent people"

 

"Lets use a system of punishment that guarantees we kill innocent people"

 

No idea how people square these two beliefs.

“Well I’m sure he did something”

especially when it’s a minority that dies. 

[royiv 9345]

9 minutes ago, Bevo said:

What is more important is what the majority of people think.