Bernie Sanders 2020 Watch

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Others: "Make a giant inflatable version of my campaign-prop dog!", "Let's figure out a way to means test insulin access!", "Watch my choreographed dance!"

Bernie: "Let's get a socialist elected to a city council that Amazon is trying to buy off."

#SolidarityForever

 

[Hank Scorpio 17723]

You have to wonder if Bernie might be more effective if he doesn’t become president. Just wandering the country getting socialists elected all over the place. Basically David Carradine in Kung Fu with less martial arts and a higher minimum wage. And once he’s started the revolution he walks off into the sunset never to be seen again, until they find him in a motel with a belt around his neck and his dick out. 

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Like me, Bernie is ready to defend AOC, which stands for An Old Crone

 

[ChiTownDoc 21101]

Can say whatever about the Bern but I still think he's the only candidate who truly believes everything he says.  I don't buy his policies but I can't hate on the crazy bastard.  I think/hope Warren wins and moves a bit over to the center before trouncing Donald, but I'll always have a soft spot for this wild man.  

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Good line. Hope he finds a way to shoehorn it into a debate as a jab at whichever billionaire pieces of shit are on stage with him.

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Bernie is stowed away with the extra tables and chairs until he's needed.

#ElderAbuse

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

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OH SHIT THEY FOUND OUT

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

I find the Bernie supporters not very monolithic, ideologically or demographically.  However, I can’t get over how much the olds don’t care for him.  The age gap between the Biden and Bernie supporters is such a paradox considering Bernie and Biden have similar employment backgrounds. 

Edited November 11, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

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Bros, to Bernie:

 

[Fozzz 152]

20 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I find the Bernie supporters not very monolithic, ideologically or demographically.  However, I can’t get over how much the olds don’t care for him.  The age gap between the Biden and Bernie supporters is such a paradox considering Bernie and Biden have similar employment backgrounds. 

I've said this before, but I wouldn't be surprised if a large part of that came from how negatively Bernie is covered on CNN and MSNBC given how religiously olds consume cable news.  It is so bad that regular viewers of FNC have a higher opinion of Bernie than regular viewers of MSNBC.  

[bad_teammate 13132]

He's the best, folks, and it ain't close.

Every other major candidate likely supports military coups abroad.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Nice to see Bernie get back to the big picture instead of squabbling over funding mechanisms.

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Nice to see Bernie get back to the big picture instead of squabbling over funding mechanisms.
 

When was Bernie ever squabbling about funding mechanisms?

[GSU&UT 1798]

This seems good

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

538 has an endorsement tracker which assigns points

Walter Mondale is worth 10 points for Klobuchar
AOC is worth 3 points for Bernard
John Carney is worth 8 points for Biden

The endorsement thing is only something I care about if the person/group is going to bring organizing heat.

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Pure, goodboy Bernie

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Baller move by the Bernie campaign:

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Liz & Bernie are coming for the private insurance industry and I love every second of it.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[henrygandorf 29177]

6 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Liz & Bernie are coming for the private insurance industry and I love every second of it.

 

then why isn't it a top 3 priority for liz?

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6 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

then why isn't it a top 3 priority for liz?

Bernie thread, baby.

GIT!

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Yess hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm if only there WERE such a candidate hmmmm oh well I guess we're screwed!

 

[Dropout 355]

18 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Yess hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm if only there WERE such a candidate hmmmm oh well I guess we're screwed!

 

Bill Maher has lost all of his fucking marbles.  Pretty sure I watched him tell Bernie after one of their interviews he would be with him in 2020. All to watch him squirm at the idea come crunch time. He can’t even broadcast a truthful show without a progressive there to slap him around and laugh to his face.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Bill Maher’s show is like 80% centrist grifters trolling the left now.  It’s CNN with a few funny jokes, unwatchable.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Dropout 355]

Bernie still the only candidate to speak honestly and bluntly about a wide range of foreign affairs. This tweet is similar to statements from Jamal Khashoggi before he was murdered. Bernie is the only one who gives a fuck.

Why haven’t other candidates spoken up about these atrocities? Do you trust your candidate on foreign policy? What do you point to in order to voice support of said candidates foreign policy? You trust their imagination? Is the rest of the world not important? Are we back to thinking our little bubble won’t burst? Or is it you simply won’t notice?

I was told we were the leaders of the free world. 

Edited November 16, 2019 by Dropout

[bad_teammate 13132]

1 hour ago, Dropout said:

Why haven’t other candidates spoken up about these atrocities?

Biden: 100% aligned with current foreign policy "blob" (as the pod clones call it). He is the establishment. He will continue the wars and start new ones and drone babies to death and give Israel more weapons to murder Palestinian teens with.

Buttigieg: Will almost immediately become Joe Biden. Will protect "I'm a troop!" cred at all costs.

Warren: More of a case of Gary Johnson, "What is Aleppo?". Every part of this that isn't middle class economics warrior is new to her. She didn't grow up wanting to be president, she has spent the last few decades just wanting to fight for middle class people. (Which is fucking AWESOME, of course, because that's honestly the most important thing out of everything, but it's not so great that racial, social, environmental justice and foreign policy are basically brand new developments.)

This is just another on the huge pile of reasons that Bernie is the best candidate. He's the best on foreign policy by miles.

 

 

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Part of Bernie's legalization plan involves preventing tobacco giants from becoming marijuana giants and making sure money from weed revenue goes directly to black communities.

Because capital will dominate this market like it dominates all other markets unless we fight capital itself.

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

I'm a little under 300 of those 7.75M. Aiming for 500 by the time Iowa starts and if (WHEN!) he gets the nomination I'll shoot for 1-2k.

Grandpa is going to need us when he's being a juror in the doomed-to-fail Senate hearing.

Phonebanking is cool. Textbanking seems weird and I'm too old for it. Door-knocking is the king.

Posting is godlike.

[Dropout 355]

Bernie in East LA today /cheech. What an opportune time for this untapped voting bloc to show up.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-11-16/bernie-sanders-heads-to-east-l-a-for-a-rally-as-part-of-his-outreach-to-young-latinos

Nationwide, Latino voters are expected to be the largest minority voting bloc in 2020, surpassing black voters for the first time. But campaigns have failed to mobilize their full potential: Voter turnout for Latinos falls behind black voter turnout. And Latino voters in the U.S. skew young: Of the estimated 32 million eligible to cast ballots, 43% are 18 to 34, according to the research firm Latino Decisions. The average age of Latinos in the U.S. is 30.

Sanders polls well with Latino voters. Nationally, 34% of likely Democratic Latino voters under 30 supported him, compared with 11% for former Vice President Joe Biden, a November youth poll by the Institute of Politics at Harvard found, according to its polling director, John Della Volpe. And in a California poll released Wednesday by the Latino Community Foundation, 31% of Latino registered voters surveyed said they planned to vote for Sanders, compared with 22% for Biden and 11% for Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts.

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

White guy on the drum who can't close his mouth is my favorite part.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Warren: More of a case of Gary Johnson, "What is Aleppo?".

Dude, come on.  Just because Bernie might tweet about foreign policy more doesn’t mean he would be better at.  

Foreign Policy is mostly about negotiating towards mutually beneficial solutions, building alliances, and keeping the peace.  I have no reason to believe Bernie would be better at this than Warren.  And to think Warren wouldn’t educate herself in foreign policy areas she needed to is just dumb. 

[GSU&UT 1798]

When has Warren ever stuck up for Palestine without simultaneously sticking up for Israel?

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8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Dude, come on.  Just because Bernie might tweet about foreign policy more doesn’t mean he would be better at.  

Foreign Policy is mostly about negotiating towards mutually beneficial solutions, building alliances, and keeping the peace.  I have no reason to believe Bernie would be better at this than Warren.  And to think Warren wouldn’t educate herself in foreign policy areas she needed to is just dumb. 

So you’re going with her imagination. It’s better than most I imagine so you got that going for you I think. You don’t think a presidential candidate should comment on these issues? Does their silence not at least signal uncertainty? I know what Bernie would like to accomplish around the world because he has explicitly stated his positions on multiple issues on many different occasions. It is as consistent as the rest of his body of work.

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Hugo I'm not saying she's incapable of learning. She absolutely is. Not only that, I think her moral compass is very good.

 

I'm just saying that foreign affairs, like many other things, is new.

 

And it's not about him tweeting. He's been amazing on foreign policy for 40 years.

 

 

 

https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03577/sanders_thatcher_3577882b.jpg

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

15 minutes ago, Dropout said:

So you’re going with her imagination. It’s better than most I imagine so you got that going for you I think. You don’t think a presidential candidate should comment on these issues? Does their silence not at least signal uncertainty? I know what Bernie would like to accomplish around the world because he has explicitly stated his positions on multiple issues on many different occasions. It is as consistent as the rest of his body of work.

She comments all the time. She’s called out Bibi for being a corrupt POS.  She’s written articles defending the people of Hong Kong.  She’s been active in putting an end to Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen.  She serves of the Foreign Relations committee in the Senate for crying out loud.  

I’m not going to bash Bernie but I am curious as to what his major foreign policy accomplishments are in his career worth celebrating? 

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She comments all the time. She’s called out Bibi for being a corrupt POS.  She’s written articles defending the people of Hong Kong.  She’s been active in putting an end to Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen.  She serves of the Foreign Relations committee in the Senate for crying out loud.  

I’m not going to bash Bernie but I am curious as to what his major foreign policy accomplishments are in his career worth celebrating? 

GREAT QUESTION, HUGO!

Senate Joint Resolution 54

So there's a recent one, and furthermore one that is evidence of Bernie actually working across the aisle to accomplish important and necessary things. If that sort of thing matters.

As for calling out Netenyahu, that's new.

2014 Liz on Israel is different than 2019 Liz on Israel.

A genuine change of heart or simple opportunism? I'm hoping it is the former, but I'm doing that a lot with her.

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You hate to see it.

[Dropout 355]

3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She comments all the time. She’s called out Bibi for being a corrupt POS.  She’s written articles defending the people of Hong Kong.  She’s been active in putting an end to Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen.  She serves of the Foreign Relations committee in the Senate for crying out loud.  

I’m not going to bash Bernie but I am curious as to what his major foreign policy accomplishments are in his career worth celebrating? 

Warren’s strongest area of the things you listed culminated with guess who leading the fight for the War Powers Resolution. Does this vote ever see the floor without Bernie? The fact she serves on the committee should make her voice the loudest of the candidates. 

It’s rough bringing up Bernie’s accomplishments worth celebrating. Can I celebrate him being right even though it all fell on deaf ears? It’s a fucking travesty this man wasn’t listened to decades ago foreign policy included. Certainly no cause for celebration. I mean where has he been wrong? That will be a shorter list guaranteed.

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Just flatly saying true shit that goes against the message of the entire American war and intelligence machines.

 

[Dropout 355]

Raise

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Trying to catch Bernie, but Bernie doesn't fucking care.

 

[Dropout 355]

Bernie uh JFK on healthcare in 1962. Starts speaking at about the 5 min mark.

Refers to FDR’s Social Security Bill in 1935. JFK thought 25 years was too long of a wait. Now you know how Bernie must feel about it. This progressive leader was assassinated about a year later.

The civil rights act passed in 1964. Another progressive leader MLK assassinated in 1968. His plan in 1967 was based on guaranteed income and economic security.

“A host of positive psychological changes inevitably will result from widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual will flourish when the decisions concerning his life are in his hands, when he has the assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he knows that he has the means to seek self-improvement. Personal conflicts between husband, wife and children will diminish when the unjust measurement of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated.”

Edited November 18, 2019 by Dropout

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Looks like 7 forgot to opt-out.
 

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Bernie is great because Bernie is good

[henrygandorf 29177]

so let's say for a second that bernie doesn't win the dem nomination.  where can he be placed to do the most good moving forward?  i'm assuming of course that he doesn't retire to one of his 7 other houses (joke).

is there a "party elder" or "power broker" position he can fill, where he gets sent places and gets shit done?  i think he's done slowly pulling the party his way and opening eyes, and it would be nice to see him make a difference (possibly a bigger difference than the president) in the right spot. 

he needs to be a fucking hatchet man.  being a senator again makes no sense to me.

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6 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

is there a "party elder" or "power broker" position he can fill, where he gets sent places and gets shit done?  i think he's done slowly pulling the party his way and opening eyes, and it would be nice to see him make a difference (possibly a bigger difference than the president) in the right spot. 

he needs to be a fucking hatchet man.  being a senator again makes no sense to me.

I don't know if I follow what you're saying here, but are you envisioning Bernie touring America rousing rabble to continue to push his agenda at a nationwide grassroots level? If so, yes, I think that's exactly his plan, be it as Senator, President, or just public persona.

"Party elder" is the opposite of that, though, so I'm confused.

I think a lot of the centrists in the party are thinking he'll lose and they can find a way to co-opt the enthusiasm and vigor of his massive grassroots machine to go make sure a center/center-right agenda with a woke sheen (higher percentage of LGBT representation in Bolivian death squad "military advisors", more trans foreclosure attorneys), but that is not going to happen.

The movement doesn't exist because of Bernie's magnetic personality and overwhelming charm, it exists because we believe in the causes. The centrists will get our votes for the most part, but Bernie's left and progressive base isn't going to just shift en masse to become warriors for means tested student loan restructuring and public service purity tests for jobs.

And Bernie will work harder in the general for the opponent that beats him than that opponent would if Bernie had won, just like 2016, because he's a lot nicer than we are.

[bad_teammate 13132]

Bernie is never going to be part of the establishment vampire capital class. This isn't some kind of hat he put on to win an election.

https://twitter.com/CANCEL_SAM/status/1196785277026652160

Edited November 19, 2019 by bad_teammate

[henrygandorf 29177]

4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

I don't know if I follow what you're saying here, but are you envisioning Bernie touring America rousing rabble to continue to push his agenda at a nationwide grassroots level? If so, yes, I think that's exactly his plan, be it as Senator, President, or just public persona.

"Party elder" is the opposite of that, though, so I'm confused.

yes, that's what i meant.  i figured "party elder" would be his official title, more as a cover.  that way he wouldn't have any "senatorial" duties holding him back.

but he would move around like a mob boss.  knee-capping when necessary.