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The last couple weeks have truly been eye opening the extent to which corporate America controls our mass media, all because of Bernie. The mask has been taken off, so to speak. 


What’s eye opening is the Bernie Bro’s arguing that Castro is not that bad of a murderer.
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2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 


What’s eye opening is the Bernie Bro’s arguing that Castro is not that bad of a murderer.

 

So a bunch of anonymous online trolls are taking a certain position and this matters how? Well I hope they’re all not being offensive. Because after all, we do have a multi bankrupt reality star as president. 

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I’m a long time Bernie bros and I support murderers like Hitler, Stalin and Castro.

Even though if you search my prior post history on here supporting Biden and hatin on trump that was all a front to hide my Bernie bros tendencies supporting Hitler, Stalin, and Castro. 

Prove me wrong. 

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10 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 


What’s eye opening is the Bernie Bro’s arguing that Castro is not that bad of a murderer.

 

I objected to the hysterical and melodramatic application of the term "genocide" to what happened in Castro's Cuba. Castro's loyalists say our blockade is the real genocide down there, but that is also hysterical and melodramatic. If you are looking for something approaching an actual genocide in Cuba, blame the Spanish -- by one estimate I saw, they killed 400000 Cubans in concentration camps at the end of their colonial rule. 

Go ahead and Google "Cuban Genocide." You'd think it would be easy to come up with dozens of hits from reliable sources instead of a stray article from a daily newspaper couched in skeptical language and more credulous pieces from the likes of CSN News.

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15 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

What’s eye opening is the Bernie Bro’s arguing that Castro is not that bad of a murderer.

 

Castro is worse than many. He is also better than many.

He's not Top 10 of horrible dictator monsters of the modern era. Not even Top 30.

Compared to what came before him, a blood-drenched US-backed military dictator, Castro is a saint.

I know I'm not supposed to say this out loud. I'm supposed to just scream "AMERICA!" until I pass out, but every time someone tries to patriotism-shame me it just makes me laugh. (Actually, it's funny, to me.)

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Sanders controls the narrative, not Trump or his enablers. That has Trump nervous.

In related news, MSNBC accepts reality:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/after-a-sanders-surge-and-a-matthews-gaffe-msnbc-prepares-to-pivot?utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=twitter&utm_brand=vf&mbid=social_twitter&utm_medium=social

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“Phil Is Doing His Best to Give Bernie His Due”: After a Sanders Surge and a Matthews Gaffe, MSNBC Prepares to Pivot

Joe Pompeo February 24, 2020

The pundit apocalypse has been gestating for a few weeks—but it took the shock waves from Bernie Sanders’s Nevada victory to fully set it off. As Sanders’s numbers were building in the caucuses, Chris Matthewsmade the following comparison during an analytical exchange with his colleague Brian Williams. “I was reading last night about the fall of France in the summer of 1940,” said Matthews (you can see where this is headed), “and the general, Reynaud, calls up Churchill and says, ‘It’s over.’ And Churchill says, ‘How can it be? You’ve got the greatest army in Europe. How can it be over?’ He said, ‘It’s over.’”

The blowback was swift. “Never thought part of my job would be pleading with a national news network to stop likening the campaign of a jewish presidential candidate whose family was wiped out by the nazis to the third reich,” tweeted Sanders’s communications director, Mike Casca,“but here we are.” By Monday morning, Matthews was facing calls for his head on a platter, with a #FireChrisMatthews hashtag gaining steam on Twitter.

As far as the possibility of Matthews resigning or being booted goes, that definitely isn’t happening. “They’re not taking Matthews off air over this,” one network insider told me. Rather, sources said he will address the controversy on the Monday night installment of Hardball. Several of them also emphasized that Matthews was not actually likening Sanders to the Nazis—he frequently tosses out historical and World War II references, and this one was perhaps a tone-deaf analogy in the heat of the moment. But if nothing else, the backlash seemed to crystallize just how hot the Sanders–MSNBC dynamic has become, as Tom Kludt explored last week for Vanity Fair. Matthews’s remarks came just one day after Page Six reported that Sanders himself took his grievances directly to MSNBC president Phil Griffin, reportedly telling him in a greenroom before the NBC debate in Nevada last week, “Phil, your network has not been playing a fair role in this campaign. I am upset. Is anything going to change?...I hope you will do better.”

Griffin is taking the complaints seriously, according to network sources. After Matthews’s comments on Saturday night, Griffin’s phone blew up with an angry reaction from the campaign. Griffin quickly discussed the matter with Matthews, who then interviewed campaign cochair Nina Turner on air minutes later. Sources also noted that MSNBC took Sanders’s El Paso and San Antonio rallies live on Saturday, and that Sanders people like campaign manager Faiz Shakir and former campaign manager Jeff Weaver both received airtime on Monday. “The Sanders team is in contact with our senior management,” one source said, “and they are heard. Phil is doing his best to give Bernie his due.”

Now, with Sanders looking more and more like the presumptive nominee, MSNBC’s coverage will have to shift to reflect that. “Will they bring in more contributors that are pro-Sanders? That’s where the chatter is,” another insider told me. “As a matter of news, you have to. Management is sensitive to it, that he is now very possibly gonna be the nominee. He’s winning.” I ran that notion past a network executive. “Yes, the race has changed over the last couple of weeks, and we are going to reflect that and make adjustments,” he said. “One easy way to do that is to seek out more smart, pro-Sanders voices from people who can make our coverage more insightful.” But, the executive added, “Their campaign, like any other, is due fair coverage, not fawning coverage.”

"Griffin is taking the complaints seriously, according to network sources. After Matthews’s comments on Saturday night, Griffin’s phone blew up with an angry reaction from the campaign. Griffin quickly discussed the matter with Matthews, who then interviewed campaign cochair Nina Turner on air minutes later. Sources also noted that MSNBC took Sanders’s El Paso and San Antonio rallies live on Saturday, and that Sanders people like campaign manager Faiz Shakir and former campaign manager Jeff Weaver both received airtime on Monday. “The Sanders team is in contact with our senior management,” one source said, “and they are heard. Phil is doing his best to give Bernie his due.”'

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21 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Castro is worse than many. He is also better than many.

He's not Top 10 of horrible dictator monsters of the modern era. Not even Top 30.

Compared to what came before him, a blood-drenched US-backed military dictator, Castro is a saint.

I know I'm not supposed to say this out loud. I'm supposed to just scream "AMERICA!" until I pass out, but every time someone tries to patriotism-shame me it just makes me laugh. (Actually, it's funny, to me.)

The interview was an unforced error. 

Bernie needs to do better.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

I don't think people under the age of 35 really understand just how much red baiting is going to go on in this election if Bernie is the nominee. I also think they underestimate how effective it will be on boomers.

I don't think boomers want to live up to the meme that says they are clueless. Just a hunch. 

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3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

On what do you base this feeling?

Hearing the way older folks talk about socialism. They do not separate it from communism. The Trump campaign knows this. They are going to engage in red baiting like we haven't seen in my lifetime and I'm nearly 50. 

It won't work on young people, but they are betting that young people won't vote and older folks will.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Hearing the way older folks talk about socialism. They do not separate it from communism. The Trump campaign knows this. They are going to engage in red baiting like we haven't seen in my lifetime and I'm nearly 50. 

Sure but what connection do you have to people under 35 that makes you think they don't already know this?

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3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Sure but what connection do you have to people under 35 that makes you think they don't already know this?

I just get the feeling that they underestimate how effective red baiting is going to be on certain parts of the electorate. We'll see what happens once the campaign to equate Sanders to Stalin gets ramped up, because that's going to come on like a tidal wave.

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15 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I just get the feeling that they underestimate how effective red baiting is going to be on certain parts of the electorate. We'll see what happens once the campaign to equate Sanders to Stalin gets ramped up, because that's going to come on like a tidal wave.

But the whole thing is muddled by our changing perceptions of Russia. I was confused enough as a Cold War kid being taught that they used to be good (when they were killing Nazis) but were terrible now because they wanted to nuke us. And then I learned that back when they were supposed to be good, they picked a fight with poor little Finland. And Poland too. 

Fast forward to 1989 and they are good again, and then Putin comes along and they are bad. And we are supposed to think Sanders is terrible because he went to old bad Russia at the very same time Trump is playing footsie with new bad Russia? The whole thing seems like a toss-up to me. 

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4 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

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it's more like, you're paying for top shelf shit, getting served well, you've been gaslighted into thinking it's top shelf, there's a bar across the street that's selling actual top shelf at lower prices than what we're paying, and yet everyone is still in this bar loudly talking about how awesome it is and going to the other bar means giving up our way of life

 

i know, explaining = losing

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5 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

That was my favorite thing about Sanders' rally yesterday- confetti cannons showering the crowd with Bernie joints, foods stamps, college diplomas... Homeless guy next to me caught an anchor baby.

holy shit +rep

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Castro is worse than many. He is also better than many.
He's not Top 10 of horrible dictator monsters of the modern era. Not even Top 30.
Compared to what came before him, a blood-drenched US-backed military dictator, Castro is a saint.
I know I'm not supposed to say this out loud. I'm supposed to just scream "AMERICA!" until I pass out, but every time someone tries to patriotism-shame me it just makes me laugh. (Actually, it's funny, to me.)


Interesting. You are doing a fantastic job of arguing the same premise that Trump did when he talked about other countries’ bad deeds, like Saudi Arabia, and then pointing out that the US also does bad things as justification for not condemning Saudi Arabia. So according to you, it’s horrible when Trump takes that position, but justified when you do it.

For the record, murders, oppression, abuse of human rights are all bad and Trump is a disgrace for justifying behavior because others do it. Moral standards are the red line, not what other people or governments do.
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I’m actually on board with lavish spending if it a actually on tangible things like a standardized healthcare option, clean energy and social welfare like a living wage. 
 

Right now I feel the deficit just keeps going up to give rich/businesses tax breaks, And bail out farmers screwed over by self-imposed tariffs.  

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You are doing a fantastic job of arguing the same premise that Trump did when he talked about other countries’ bad deeds, like Saudi Arabia, and then pointing out that the US also does bad things as justification for not condemning Saudi Arabia. So according to you, it’s horrible when Trump takes that position, but justified when you do it.


You still aren't talking about the actual point at all.

I think it's horrible that Trump defends MBS and Saudi Arabia and then actively arms them and supports their war in Yemen which is probably the worst humanitarian crisis in the world.

Castro is dead and is not doing anything and Bernie is not trying to garner support for anything.

These things are not similar in any way.
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19 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

For the record, murders, oppression, abuse of human rights are all bad and Trump is a disgrace for justifying behavior because others do it.

 

I won't speak for bt, but as far as Bernie goes he specifically condemned the authoritarian aspects of Castro's regime while Trump refuses to even acknowledge MBS's role in Khashoggi's murder, or condemn Putin's practice of murdering domestic critics, falsely insinuating that's standard practice here as well.

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1 hour ago, TexasEd said:

All I know is that people will be lining up to be VP under Bernie.  We need an actuary on the odds he makes it through his first term.

Hell I'm still waiting for Trump to choke on a cheeseburger.

Someone did a study based on longevity of his specific heart condition and age. He has a 65% chance of making it through a first term and a 40% chance of making it through a second.

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Just now, washparkhorn said:

That was awesome.

I mean of course we'll get the "IT WILL RUIN THE ECONOMY AND YOU WILL DIE" attack ads, but just trying to get this message to so many people who are so much more worse off than me to think about what other countries, who are poorer than the US, have done can get them to question what the hell is going on.

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44 minutes ago, RayDog said:

Someone did a study based on longevity of his specific heart condition and age. He has a 65% chance of making it through a first term and a 40% chance of making it through a second.

Presumably that's also not knowing any LVEF values, since it's not being disclosed.  I lean towards needing to know.

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Bernie can't even tell anyone how much all his programs for free healthcare, free college, fee housing, min. wage hikes, etc.  will cost....interdasting. But but but but Trump.

 

Bernie, a well meaning, crazy, old man.

But he’s got a plan to cover the cost, whatever that might be.  It’s on the internet.  He’s going to tax  the stock market until that doesn’t exist.  Then it’s on to ball bearings...

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18 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

But he’s got a plan to cover the cost, whatever that might be.  It’s on the internet.  He’s going to tax  the stock market until that doesn’t exist.  Then it’s on to ball bearings...

He won't divulge that figure. I listened to him interviewed yesterday on NPR.   He repeatedly dodged the question.  The man was tap dancing more than Bill Bo Jangles. To his credit he did say it would be expensive.  He cannot reveal the number, it would be the end of his candidacy as someone to be taken seriously.

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7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

We already told y’all this. The Mexicans are paying for it. 
 

That and the refund on Donald trumps tax return should cover it. 

You're more predictable than toilet water flushing clock wise. No one is saying candidates don't lie. Bernies plan is simply not feasible, he won't even say what it will cost.  

Either he just has no idea or he knows what revealing that number will do to his chances. Sorry to take your viagra away.  Oh yeah But but but but Truuuuuump....

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