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Hank Scorpio
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When Bernie is president only the rich children will be put in cages. 

Johnny Sack
Johnny Sack

Watching you commie fucks lose this election is going to be enjoyable. 

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it is really, really stupid that in the richest country in the world people are dying from lack of insulin. it's unconscionable, really.

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11 minutes ago, David Dennison said:
Works for old people.

When I crash my car, i should be able to get a policy after the fact and get it fixed. Yes?

You don't have to have a car. You have to have a body though.

(You're dumb go away lol)

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21 minutes ago, markstanco said:
32 minutes ago, David Dennison said:
Works for old people.

When I crash my car, i should be able to get a policy after the fact and get it fixed. Yes?

Good thing the government doesn’t require you to have auto insurance before you can drive a car. 

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4 minutes ago, markstanco said:

I weigh 950 pounds because I don't care. I think others should pay for my weight.

Right?

Sir if you aren’t already a professor, which, based on the flawless logic in these posts is unlikely, can I please be the first to offer you a position with full tenure at the University of Brilliant Online Posters. Your specialty would obviously be in owning the libs with facts and logic, maybe also teaching an undergraduate course in how facts don’t care about your feelings. 

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Things this FOXNews Town Hall crowd is cheering for:

- Single-payer universal healthcare

- Protected abortion rights

- Higher taxes on the wealthy

- Non-intervention in Venezuela

- Lower military spending

LOL this is fucking amazing. literally chanting "BERNIE! BERNIE!"

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"it's not anti-Semitic to criticize a right wing government in Israel" *FOXNews crowd hoots and hollers in approval*

LOL the entire right-wing establishment is so used to fighting against soft centrists like Obama and Pelosi that they have no fucking clue the meat-shredder they're walking into

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Things this FOXNews Town Hall crowd is cheering for:

- Single-payer universal healthcare

- Protected abortion rights

- Higher taxes on the wealthy

- Non-intervention in Venezuela

- Lower military spending

LOL this is fucking amazing. literally chanting "BERNIE! BERNIE!"

Why are you surprised?  These are the dumbest people on earth.  If FoxNews has someone/something on, they'll cheer it on even if it literally means their own death.  Now if you had Tucker up there telling them how terrible Bernie is, they'd do a quick 180.  Of course if Tucker suddenly agreed with all those ideas, these buffoons would shit their pampers in excitement. 

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Half joking, reality is nobody on right is showing up to Bernie town hall, even on FoxNews
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13 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Why are you surprised?  These are the dumbest people on earth.  If FoxNews has someone/something on, they'll cheer it on even if it literally means their own death.  Now if you had Tucker up there telling them how terrible Bernie is, they'd do a quick 180.  Of course if Tucker suddenly agreed with all those ideas, these buffoons would shit their pampers in excitement. 

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It's afraid.

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It's afraid.

LOL - I'm happy to place a wager with you.  I just don't think he'll win shit. 

But fear?  The last thing I'm afraid of is Bernie.  Fear?  I mean, I'm much more scared of Trump.  What is Bern gonna do?  

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1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Make you realize that the politics you've held your entire life have been harmful to the people you claim to care about.

I'm seriously wondering if you've had a brain injury.  I've never held any politics my entire life.  I grew up poor and a dumb dim like yourself.  Then I bought into capitalism AFTER college and was R...thought I had the world figured out.  Now the R party has shown itself to be toxic so I'll vote for someone sane on the left.  But I've never played team politics like yourself. 

Sure, the guys on the right deserve ridicule because not only are they team first, but their team has some despicable views.  But there were LOTS of Bern supporters who were also party first, they let Trump win by staying home, these are facts.  Now that's neither here nor there, but you seem to think everyone is attached to some team/party like you are.  Your entire life is defending the Bern.  Any opp you get you go shit on other Democratic candidates then defend yourself vehemently when called out on it.  And all the while, you carry on this 'above it all' attitude. 

It's comical - but for the millionth time, I did not 'hold any politics for my entire life'.  JFC, you dense hippie.  

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It's afraid.

It certainly feels different this time around. Opponents are afraid. Some are in outright denial about what is happening. Meanwhile I’m approaching enjoy the view and coast to the win mode.

Great day yesterday for Bernie. Almost like he saved the release of his tax returns for a Fox News town hall on tax day in order to make a point to Trump, his supporters, and the remaining D skeptics. Trump is an obvious lying clown w something to hide and everyone else ready to criticize Bernie will find absolutely nothing. All I’ve got is Bernie singing w Russians on his honeymoon and this flopping like a fish out of water tax story. Everyone is left debating the actual issues and ideas as far as Bernie is concerned. I wonder who will win that debate. 

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"it's not anti-Semitic to criticize a right wing government in Israel" *FOXNews crowd hoots and hollers in approval*

LOL the entire right-wing establishment is so used to fighting against soft centrists like Obama and Pelosi that they have no fucking clue the meat-shredder they're walking into

Oh no.  Just realized I'm destined for a conversation with my Jewish mother about how Trump is a better choice for Jews than an actual Jew.

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11 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Why do you say that, Chuckie?

She's an incredibly sweet, otherwise level-headed lady who claims to be moderate but I don't think has voted for a Democrat in my lifetime.  In the past, she has cited the candidates relationship with Israel (and what that means for American Jews) as an important reason for why she is voting R, and it will not be enjoyable to watch her try to rationalize voting against Bernie, should she be given the chance.

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1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Am I off base in thinking that just because it was a Fox News town hall, that doesn't mean the audience were a bunch of trump supporting Fox News cultists?  Wouldn't his supporters come out regardless of what station was hosting the town hall?

That's was thought as well, but the makeup of the crowd wasn't super young and diverse. It looked fairly representative of what Bethlehem PA looks like I bet.

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15 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Oh no.  Just realized I'm destined for a conversation with my Jewish mother about how Trump is a better choice for Jews than an actual Jew.

Just tell her that Bernie thinks her grandchildren and great-grandchildren are all beautiful and wants them all to go to college without tuition payments and never have a medical bill. Also, tell her that Bernie went to a kibbutz and it was so impactful to him that his experiences there shaped his politics forever and made him want to seek a world as fair, just, and harmonious as what he saw as he worked side-by-side with strong-backed Israeli men and women. (Focus on the men's strong, taught muscles glistening under the promised land's sun.)

Also, tell her that Trump's policy to support Netenyahu will ultimately lead to tremendous suffering in Israel because it makes peace impossible and Israel is a beautiful land of wonderful people who deserve peace at last. Also, tell her Donald is very insulting to Jewish people. (It's helpful that this is true, unlike the idea that Bernie actually did hard work on the kibbutz because Bernie is a lazy socialist who probably just strummed a banjo the whole time.)

She'll love it.

-OR-

Chant "BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE!" over and over while slamming your head on the coffee table then, when blood starts to flow, look her dead in the eye with a maniacal grin and keep chanting as the blood flows into your mouth.

That's more MY style, but it's up to you. You know zaydee better than I do.

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Am I off base in thinking that just because it was a Fox News town hall, that doesn't mean the audience were a bunch of trump supporting Fox News cultists?

No, you're not off-base at all, which is why the "OH MY GOD HOW DARE HE DO A TOWN HALL ON FOX!" cries were always dumb.

Town hall audiences are just people from the area. I think you'll get Bernie people but also people who are loyal to FOX. So some partisans either way, but mainly just local people who want to see a spectacle.

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13 hours ago, markstanco said:

I weigh 950 pounds because I don't care. I think others should pay for my weight.

Right?

You weigh 950 pounds? That explains things.

Seriously  though it’s posts like these which highlight how stupid the debate over healthcare is in this country. I suppose the dumbass point this guy is making is everyone shouldn’t have to pay for someone else’s life choices. As if that’s the only thing we should be focusing on and the only reason people get healthcare. 

The country needs single payer because it needs a force to try to get some rational pricing into healthcare, which in this country is completely out of wack. Doesn’t mean that employer based health insurance needs to go away, but there needs to be an alternative to somewhat cheaper healthcare if you have good insurance through your employer and insane pricing that ultimately either the government or nobody pays the tab for if you don’t. 

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Those town all videos make it clear that Bernie is going to flip most of the Trump voters in the upcoming election. Then he is going to lead an unholy alliance of red state MAGA chuds and Bernie Bros all united in their hatred of women and minorities. Bernie will win the election in a landslide and lead us into a perfect socialist utopia where he rules with an iron fist. 

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Those town all videos make it clear that Bernie is going to flip most of the Trump voters in the upcoming election. Then he is going to lead an unholy alliance of red state MAGA chuds and Bernie Bros all united in their hatred of women and minorities. Bernie will win the election in a landslide and lead us into a perfect socialist utopia where he rules with an iron fist.  

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Bernie is the Kwisatz Haderach and the sooner voters realize this and get in line the better. Because the other option is he leads an intergalactic jihad, and buddy, don't nobody want a cranky old socialist Jew leading an intergalactic jihad. 

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22 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Bernie is the Kwisatz Haderach and the sooner voters realize this and get in line the better. Because the other option is he leads an intergalactic jihad, and buddy, don't nobody want a cranky old socialist Jew leading an intergalactic jihad. 

The finger-wagging will be devastating.

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Bernie is the Kwisatz Haderach and the sooner voters realize this and get in line the better. Because the other option is he leads an intergalactic jihad, and buddy, don't nobody want a cranky old socialist Jew leading an intergalactic jihad. 

The spice must flow.

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The Democratic donor and party elites are besides themselves about him winning the nomination. They want to take down the Bern a 2nd time. Bernie being the nominee worries me as a die hard Republican. I’m hoping for the usual Democrat circular firing squad and division.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html

 

‘Stop Sanders’ Democrats Are Agonizing Over His Momentum

By Jonathan Martin

April 16, 2019

Some members of the Democratic establishment, resentful over 2016 and worried about a divided 2020 primary, are beginning to ask how to thwart Senator Bernie Sanders.Brittany Greeson for The New York Times

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Some members of the Democratic establishment, resentful over 2016 and worried about a divided 2020 primary, are beginning to ask how to thwart Senator Bernie Sanders.Brittany Greeson for The New York Times

WASHINGTON — When Leah Daughtry, a former Democratic Party official, addressed a closed-door gathering of about 100 wealthy liberal donors in San Francisco last month, all it took was a review of the 2020 primary rules to throw a scare in them.

Democrats are likely to go into their convention next summer without having settled on a presidential nominee, said Ms. Daughtry, who ran her party’s conventions in 2008 and 2016, the last two times the nomination was contested. And Senator Bernie Sanders is well positioned to be one of the last candidates standing, she noted.

“I think I freaked them out,” Ms. Daughtry recalled with a chuckle, an assessment that was confirmed by three other attendees. They are hardly alone.

From canapé-filled fund-raisers on the coasts to the cloakrooms of Washington, mainstream Democrats are increasingly worried that their effort to defeat President Trump in 2020 could be complicated by Mr. Sanders, in a political scenario all too reminiscent of how Mr. Trump himself seized the Republican nomination in 2016.

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How, some Democrats are beginning to ask, do they thwart a 70-something candidate from outside the party structure who is immune to intimidation or incentive and wields support from an unwavering base, without simply reinforcing his “the establishment is out to get me’’ message — the same grievance Mr. Trump used to great effect?

But stopping Mr. Sanders, or at least preventing a contentious convention, could prove difficult for Democrats.

He has enormous financial advantages — already substantially outraising his Democratic rivals — that can sustain a major campaign through the primaries. And he is well positioned to benefit from a historically large field of candidatesthat would splinter the vote: If he wins a substantial number of primaries and caucuses and comes in second in others, thanks to his deeply loyal base of voters across many states, he would pick up formidable numbers of delegates.

To a not-insignificant number of Democrats, of course, Mr. Sanders’s populist agenda is exactly what the country needs. And he has proved his mettle, having emerged from the margins to mount a surprisingly strong challenge to Hillary Clinton, earning 13 million votes and capturing 23 primaries or caucuses.

His strength on the left gives him a real prospect of winning the Democratic nomination and could make him competitive for the presidency if his economic justice message, resonates in the Midwest much as Mr. Trump’s appeals to hard-edge nationalism did in 2016. And for many Sanders supporters, the anxieties of establishment Democrats are not a concern.

That prospect is spooking establishment-aligned Democrats, some of whom are worried that his nomination could lure a third-party centrist into the field. And it is also creating tensions about what, if anything, should be done to halt Mr. Sanders.

Senator Bernie Sanders is embarking on a second run for president. This time the field will be bigger, more diverse and filled with candidates who have adopted his progressive populist mantle.Sam Hodgson for The New York Times

Some in the party still harbor anger over the 2016 race, when he ran against Mrs. Clinton, and his ongoing resistance to becoming a Democrat. But his critics are chiefly motivated by a fear that nominating an avowed socialist would all but ensure Mr. Trump a second term.

“There’s a growing realization that Sanders could end up winning this thing, or certainly that he stays in so long that he damages the actual winner,” said David Brock, the liberal organizer, who said he has had discussions with other operatives about an anti-Sanders campaign and believes it should commence “sooner rather than later.”

But to some veterans of the still-raw 2016 primary, a heavy-handed intervention may only embolden him and his fervent supporters.

R.T. Rybak, the former Minneapolis mayor who was vice chairman of the Democratic National Committee in 2016, complained bitterly about the party’s tilt toward Mrs. Clinton back then, and warned that it would backfire if his fellow mainstream Democrats “start with the idea that you’re trying to stop somebody.”

If the party fractures again, “or if we even have anybody raising an eyebrow of ‘I’m not happy about this,’ we’re going to lose and they’ll have this loss on their hands,” Mr. Rybak said of the anti-Sanders forces, pleading with them to not make him “a martyr.”

The good news for Mr. Sanders’s foes is that his polling is down significantly in early-nominating states from 2016, he is viewed more negatively among Democrats than many of his top rivals, and he has already publicly vowed to support the party’s nominee if he falls short.

“Bernie Sanders believes the most critical mission we have before us is to defeat Donald Trump,” said Faiz Shakir, Mr. Sanders’s campaign manager. “Any and all decisions over the coming year will emanate from that key goal.”

Or, as former Senator Claire McCaskill put it: “One thing we have now that we didn’t in ’16 is the uniting force of Trump. There will be tremendous pressure on Bernie and his followers to fall in line because of what Trump represents.”

But Mr. Sanders is also taking steps that signal he is committed for the duration of the race — and will strike back aggressively when he’s attacked. On Saturday his campaign sent a blistering letter to the Center for American Progress, a Clinton-aligned liberal think tank, accusing them of abetting Mr. Trump’s attacks, of playing a “destructive” role in Democratic politics, and of being beholden to “the corporate money” they receive. The letter came days after a website aligned with the center aired a video highlighting Mr. Sanders’s status as a millionaire.

[Read more: The blowup between the Center for American Progress and Mr. Sanders’s campaign reflects ideological divisions among Democrats.]

Veterans of the 2016 primary between Mr. Sanders and Hillary Clinton fear a heavy-handed intervention may only embolden him and his fervent supporters.Lauren Justice for The New York Times

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Veterans of the 2016 primary between Mr. Sanders and Hillary Clinton fear a heavy-handed intervention may only embolden him and his fervent supporters.Lauren Justice for The New York Times

With other mainline party leaders, he is offering more honey than vinegar.

Last month, for example, he used his first trip to Iowa as a 2020 candidate to quietly meet with Jeff Link, a veteran party strategist, and Patty Judge, the former state agriculture secretary, to discuss rural policy and politics, according to a Democrat familiar with the meeting. Mr. Sanders’s campaign also reached out to Randi Weingarten, the head of the American Federation of Teachers and a top Clinton ally in 2016, to have her join them at what they dubbed an “Ohio workers town hall” on Sunday.

“If anybody thinks Bernie Sanders is incapable of doing politics, they haven’t seen him in Congress for 30 years,” said Tad Devine, Mr. Sanders’s longtime strategist, who is not working for his campaign this year. “The guy is trying to win this time.”

But such outreach matters little to many Democrats, especially donors and party officials, who are growing more alarmed about Mr. Sanders’s candidacy.

Mr. Brock, who supported Mrs. Clinton’s past presidential bids, said “the Bernie question comes up in every fund-raising meeting I do.” Steven Rattner, a major Democratic Party donor, said the topic is discussed “endlessly” in his orbit, and among Democratic leaders it is becoming hard to block out.

“It has gone from being a low hum to a rumble,” said Susan Swecker, the chairwoman of Virginia’s Democratic Party.

Howard Wolfson, who spent months immersed in Democratic polling and focus groups on behalf of the former New York mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, had a blunt message for Sanders skeptics: “People underestimate the possibility of him becoming the nominee at their own peril.”

The discussion about Mr. Sanders has to date been largely confined to private settings because — like establishment Republicans in 2016 — Democrats are uneasy about elevating him or alienating his supporters.

The matter of What To Do About Bernie and the larger imperative of party unity has, for example, hovered over a series of previously undisclosed Democratic dinners in New York and Washington organized by the longtime party financier Bernard Schwartz. The gatherings have included scores from the moderate or center-left wing of the party, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi; Senator Chuck Schumer, the minority leader; former Gov. Terry McAuliffe of Virginia; Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., himself a presidential candidate; and the president of the Center for American Progress, Neera Tanden.

“He did us a disservice in the last election,” said Mr. Schwartz, a longtime Clinton supporter who said he will support former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. in this primary.

But it is hardly only Mr. Sanders’s critics who believe the structure of this race could lead to a 50-state contest and require deal-cutting to determine a nominee before or at the convention.

Mr. Sanders substantially outraised his Democratic rivals in the first few months of the 2020 primary.Lauren Justice for The New York Times

Mr. Sanders substantially outraised his Democratic rivals in the first few months of the 2020 primary.Lauren Justice for The New York Times

“If I had to bet today, we’ll get to Milwaukee and not have a nominee,” said Ms. Daughtry, who was neutral in the 2016 primary.

The reason, she theorized, is simple: Super Tuesday, when at least 10 states vote, comes just three days after the last of four early states. After that, nearly 40 percent of the delegates will have been distributed — and, she suspects, carved up among candidates so that nobody can emerge with a majority.

Unlike Republicans, who used a winner-take-all primary format, Democrats use a proportional system, so candidates only need to garner 15 percent of the vote in a primary or caucus to pick up delegates. And even if a candidate fails to capture 15 percent statewide, he or she could still win delegates by meeting that vote threshold in individual congressional districts.

Should no bargain be struck by the time of the first roll call vote at the 2020 convention in Milwaukee — such as a unity ticket between a pair of the leading delegate-winners — the nomination battle would move to a second ballot. And under the new rules crafted after the 2016 race, that is when the party insiders and elected officials known as superdelegates would be able to cast a binding vote.

The specter of superdelegates deciding the nomination, particularly if Mr. Sanders is a finalist, is highly unappetizing to party officials.

“If we have a role, so be it, but I’d much prefer that it be decided in the first round, just from a unity standpoint,” said Senator Debbie Stabenow of Michigan.

That may not happen should Mr. Sanders, sustained by his online fund-raising network, remain in the primary but fail to win a majority of delegates after the last states vote in June.

Yet that result might be not fully realized until later in the primary calendar — well after Mr. Sanders has put his money to work.

“If he is consistently raising $6 million more than his next closest opponent, he’s going to have a massive financial advantage,” said Rufus Gifford, former President Barack Obama’s 2012 finance director, noting that Mr. Sanders will be able to blanket expensive and delegate-rich Super Tuesday states like California and Texas with ads during early voting there.

Mr. Gifford, who has gone public in recent days with his dismay over major Democratic fund-raisers remaining on the sidelines, said of Mr. Sanders, “I feel like everything we are doing is playing into his hands.”

But the peril of rallying the party’s elite donor class against a candidate whose entire public life has been organized around confronting concentrated wealth is self-evident: Mr. Sanders would gleefully seize on any Stop Bernie effort.

“You can see him reading the headlines now,” Mr. Brock mused: “‘Rich people don’t like me.’”

Correction: April 16, 2019

An earlier version of this article misstated the Senate position of Chuck Schumer. He is minority leader, not majority leader.

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