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Hank Scorpio
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When Bernie is president only the rich children will be put in cages. 

Johnny Sack
Johnny Sack

Watching you commie fucks lose this election is going to be enjoyable. 

Longhorn_Fan68
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it is really, really stupid that in the richest country in the world people are dying from lack of insulin. it's unconscionable, really.

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It's a depressing state of affairs that the 2nd best Democratic candidate (who is about 20x better than 3rd/4th/5th) was an anti-regulation Republican while this was going on. Shows just how far right this country has gone. (Also, a wonderful face-turn for that 2nd best candidate.)

 

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19 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Wasn't the issue that Bernie's staff needed to negotiate higher wages from a man that campaigns on people not being paid enough?

Depends on what you mean by "issue".

If "issue" is "A way for disingenuous people to get a quick laugh by mischaracterizing what's going on."? Then yes.

The original pay scale was negotiated by the union. The workers then wanted more, so they had their union renegotiate, which the Sanders campaign engaged with immediately. And within a few days they came up with a new agreement. Which is exactly how you would hope for it to work.

But the fact that labor even had a voice is an "issue" that many centrists are uncomfortable with.

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I'd wait to see if this has merit but it's been lodged....

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A copy of the charge has not yet been made public, but the agency’s July 22 docket lists five potential violations of the National Labor Relations Act. The charge also alleges that the campaign unlawfully discharged an employee, modified a labor contract, and engaged in illegal discipline.

Charges to the NLRB can be filed by “any person” and don’t have to come from a campaign staffer or someone directly affected by the alleged labor law violations, according to the board’s website. The NLRB has yet to make a determination about whether there is any merit to the allegations.

This mostly likely has to do with the labor dispute going public and his team trying to flush out the leaker.

 

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6 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I'd wait to see if this has merit but it's been lodged....

This mostly likely has to do with the labor dispute going public and his team trying to flush out the leaker.

 

If the quoted text is true — that literally anyone can file this, and not necessarily someone affected — then there's also a chance it's from some random political operative on the outside trying to fuck with the campaign. 

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Yet another benefit of organizing is that you, as a worker, have far more protections than non-unionized labor.

There's a reason this is the only campaign with a CBA. Everyone else wants the freedom to do whatever they want to their employees in this "right to work" nation.

Will be interested to see what this is about, if anything.

And the idea of the media was against Hillary is hilarious.

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On 7/22/2019 at 1:20 PM, Hank Kingsley said:

I would say Biden loses the top spot after the next debate, but I actually think he got a good draw going up against Kamala again. He'll be on the offensive and might be able to get a little revenge in Round 2. 

Here's a preview: 

 

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4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Why 5?

The distance between Kamala and Pete is twice as wide as the distance between Pete and Beto.

Let the grifters have their fun, I say. We can narrow it down later.

Because if you say 4, the Petebots flips their shit at you and scream about his NH and Iowa polling. 

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On 7/24/2019 at 12:35 PM, Js1 said:

Because if you say 4, the Petebots flips their shit at you and scream about his NH and Iowa polling. 

yes, we bots are well known for our hysteria. 

pete has basically carved out his own tier clearly behind the top 4 and clearly ahead of everyone else. 

it’s still early and he’ll eventually join the top group or fade into the pack organically. 

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14 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Bernie is the best.

 

How is it not good for the workers, who will be making the same money for fewer hours worked?

they're working on a political campaign, it shouldn't be (and probably isn't) about the money.  they're doing meaningful work that they believe in.  i seriously doubt they want to just clock out to go back to the motel in des moines and watch ppv the second they reach hour #43.

like i said in my original post, once you start crunching the numbers, you're forcing mgmt to say, "well, we can't afford to pay you more, so you'll have to work less".  bad for both sides.

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11 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

they're working on a political campaign, it shouldn't be (and probably isn't) about the money.  they're doing meaningful work that they believe in.  i seriously doubt they want to just clock out to go back to the motel in des moines and watch ppv the second they reach hour #43.

They can do whatever they want on their own time, they just can't be told what to do by management.

Which is good.

Do you think the Bernie campaign is going to fire them for knocking on doors off the clock?

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3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

They can do whatever they want on their own time, they just can't be told what to do by management.

Which is good.

Do you think the Bernie campaign is going to fire them for knocking on doors off the clock?

is that what's happening?  are they switching themselves into volunteer mode and continuing to work?  because yes, i think the campaign management would not be happy at all if they found this out - especially after the publicity of the union/cba negotiations.

that's exactly the kind of shit that can be misinterpreted and damaging.

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6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

If they aren't switching themselves into volunteer mode, isn't that evidence that the pay actually matters?

Also, their union agreed to it. If the workers didn't want this, they would have rejected the offer.

when i said "switching themselves" i was really making the point that the switch itself doesn't exist.  and in the eyes of the press (who hate bernie and are looking for any type of gotcha moment) it would look like the workers were still being encouraged to work, just "off the clock" which is very hard to prove one way or the other.  in that case, i would think any smart management people would strongly discourage this.  to any outsider or someone nitpicking, it would look like the campaign came to an agreement, and is now exploiting a loophole to get what they want.

oh, mr nyt writer, you see, that person knocking on the blue house, she's on hour #36, so she's fine, and is still operating within her salary requirements and employment agreement.  but the guy knocking on the white house, he's also salaried, and under the same employment agreement, but he's now functioning as a volunteer, because he reached his threshold earlier today.  point is, it's a slippery slope, and i would assume the campaign doesn't want to risk it.

yes, their union agreed to it, because when you're fighting the fight they chose, one of two things happen - either they raise your pay (which they decided they couldn't across the board) or they lower your hours - which they were forced to do.

the article said they're cutting hours and scaling back events.  i don't know why you're arguing the side you're arguing.

having workers who were working 50+ hour weeks having to reduce their hours is bad for the campaign.  scaling back events is bad for the campaign.  campaign workers (especially bernie's campaign) are emotionally invested in the campaign, so what is bad for the campaign is bad for them.  they're not making more money, so their negotiations ended up hurting the campaign.

none of what i'm saying is a knock on bernie, and it likely won't have a tangible negative effect on his chances, it's just the sucky reality of the situation.

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1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

yes, their union agreed to it, because when you're fighting the fight they chose, one of two things happen - either they raise your pay (which they decided they couldn't across the board) or they lower your hours - which they were forced to do.

the article said they're cutting hours and scaling back events.  i don't know why you're arguing the side you're arguing.

I have the position I have because I am pro-labor. I like it when workers get more money in exchange for each unit of their labor. It doesn't matter to me who management is (Bernie or Bezos), because I am going to side with labor.

Regarding the press, it literally does not matter what the Bernie campaign does. They will lie and distort in service of their paymasters. All the Bernie campaign should do is do the right thing regardless of trying to manipulate optics among a depraved class of bourgeoise scum (the professional media class).

Further, I don't think any mainstream reporter is going to work hard enough to track an employee's hours and then take pictures of them working hour #45. But if the campaign "encourages" workers to go past their 43rd hour and one employee doesn't like it then the press SHOULD expose the campaign because that would be an abusive violation of the CBA. And if Bernie's campaign is in violation of a CBA I am against that.

The laboring class is the center of my politics. And it's the center of Bernie's too, thankfully.

If Bernie can't afford X# of events paying his workers at least $15/hr then he needs to raise more money because he isn't owed their labor to have those events just because his cause is good. That's poor management on the campaign's part, that's not labor's fault.

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well now you're taking it into a different direction.

earlier you said, "do you think the bernie campaign is going to fire them for knocking on doors off the clock?"

i do think the campaign would be rightfully pissed if they knew their people were taking themselves off the clock.  and the workers you support clearly wouldn't be getting the proper money per unit worked in that scenario.

as far as workers rights in a general sense - you and i are in agreement.  but i think we can also objectively say that working on any political campaign isn't some dead-end 9-to-5 clock-in-and-out factory job.  we can also say that people who work for bernie (most likely) are emotionally connected to the candidate and his messaging and policy - they do it because they believe in what they're selling - and they should.

so in this particular case, i think it has created a lose-lose scenario, and that's a bummer.

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22 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Further, I don't think any mainstream reporter is going to work hard enough to track an employee's hours and then take pictures of them working hour #45.

i would hope not, but given the current state of "investigative journalism" who the hell knows.  nothing would shock me at this point.

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Yeah I think Bernie is generally right about unions and I think the destruction of unions has been a detriment to all working Americans - blue and white collar.

But I also think working on a presidential campaign is a very unique type of employment and ultimately a really terrible set of circumstances to try and use to promote the benefits of unions.

The nature of working on campaigns is, to put it plainly, messy. And Bernie tends to hold his views up in a very black and white way, so when the inevitable happened - unionized campaign workers is fucking messy and not so black and white - Bernie left himself open for easy criticism.

Meanwhile here sits poor Beto paying everyone on his staff a minimum of $50,400 (more than anyone) and no one gives a shit.

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39 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Bernie is a very idealistic guy. Idealistic people do not win the White House. The whining From his supporters is like the kid who can't have a cookie before dinner.

awesome addition to this thread. I'm privileged to have read it.

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3 hours ago, American Swindle said:

 

It's fitting that you need a very complex and nuanced subject distilled down into cartoon form so that you can attempt to understand it and formulate an opinion.

I post the memes so mouthbreathers like you can understand. 

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