Bernie Sanders 2020 Watch

[Dropout 355]

Just want to mention how in 2016 waiting for Warren’s endorsement that never came for Bernie was a bit of a let down. I will feel that times 100 if AOC doesn’t throw her entire weight behind Bernie here. She is key to an enormous amount of untapped voters. More than Warren would have been that’s for sure.

[David Dennison 18,656]

Just now, EuroHorn said:

White, old, and male. Three strikes for the Dems.  Not going to happen...

He should run as a Republican.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

21 minutes ago, Dropout said:

What’s the news? I will listen and go down any rabbit hole you want.

Let’s just say there are a few little things Bernie could do that would go a long way.

First, he needs to publicly reject any social media assistance from foreign actors and specifically call out Russia.  I’d like to see every candidate do this but Bernie specifically.  There’s a lot of evidence his campaign was being amplified by the bots and trolls in 2016.  They’re still there too.

Second, he needs to release years of his full tax returns if he wants to be taken seriously, at least by me.  Trump’s concealment of his taxes in 2016 proves this issue should matter more than ever.

The fact that the Kremlin gives Bernie indirect support on social media, combined with his lack of transparency on his finances, combined with his soft on Russia record paints a bad picture to the creative mind. 

I’m not alleging a conspiracy but Bernie makes it very easy for others to.  The Russia situation is clearly not a priority for Bernie and that bothers me.  I know most people DGAF about Russia and that their prerogative but for me it matters. 

Edited February 19, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Are there any allegations regarding Bernie's finances?

Are there any connections between Bernie and Russian money or power?

Hugo is going to mentally jiu-jitsu himself into a fucking MAGA hat by November 2020.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

Instantly ridiculed.

[David Dennison 18,656]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

Are there any allegations regarding Bernie's finances?

Are there any connections between Bernie and Russian money or power?

Hugo is going to mentally jiu-jitsu himself into a fucking MAGA hat by November 2020.

Release everything and it won't be a problem.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Release everything and it won't be a problem.

That's not how irrational accusations work. When an accusation or belief is not based on evidence (see: Hugo's meritless feelings about Bernie being a Russian spy or something) then no amount of evidence can impact that belief.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

*Bernie furiously slaps whiteout over "RUSSIAN CORRUPTION PAYMENTS: $2 MILLION" on his 2009 tax returns*

[Biff Tannen 45,494]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Hugo is going to mentally jiu-jitsu himself into a fucking MAGA hat by November 2020.

Ok, I laughed at this one.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

That's not how irrational accusations work. When an accusation or belief is not based on evidence (see: Hugo's meritless feelings about Bernie being a Russian spy or something) then no amount of evidence can impact that belief.

Tad Devine - you looked into him?  

Pretty big coincidence the guy working with Manafort in Ukraine for Yanukovich just happened to be Bernie’s chief strategist in 2016. 

Nothing to see there though right?

[David Dennison 18,656]

7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

That's not how irrational accusations work. When an accusation or belief is not based on evidence (see: Hugo's meritless feelings about Bernie being a Russian spy or something) then no amount of evidence can impact that belief.

Release it all anyway. Transparency is a good thing.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Tad Devine was a top strategist for Gore 2000 and Kerry 2004.

[Hank Scorpio 17,723]

25 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Let’s just say there are a few little things Bernie could do that would go a long way.

First, he needs to publicly reject any social media assistance from foreign actors and specifically call out Russia.  I’d like to see every candidate do this but Bernie specifically.  There’s a lot of evidence his campaign was being amplified by the bots and trolls in 2016.  They’re still there too.

Second, he needs to release years of his full tax returns if he wants to be taken seriously, at least by me.  Trump’s concealment of his taxes in 2016 proves this issue should matter more than ever.

The fact that the Kremlin gives Bernie indirect support on social media, combined with his lack of transparency on his finances, combined with his soft on Russia record paints a bad picture to the creative mind. 

I’m not alleging a conspiracy but Bernie makes it very easy for others to.  The Russia situation is clearly not a priority for Bernie and that bothers me.  I know most people DGAF about Russia and that their prerogative but for me it matters. 

Agreed. He needs to cater to the insane Twitter conspiracy voters if he's going to have a chance. Has anyone asked him about his opinion on BOFA? Big mistake if he doesn't address that. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Tad Devine was a top strategist for Gore 2000 and Kerry 2004.

And Manafort worked for Dole and Kemp.   

Doesnt mean shit.  

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

And Manafort worked for Dole and Kemp.   

Doesnt mean shit.  

And John Podesta and Mark Penn also helped Yanukovich. Hillary's top dogs in 2008 and 2016 both.

Do you also feel that Hillary was/is compromised?

[Hank Scorpio 17,723]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

And John Podesta and Mark Penn also helped Yanukovich. Hillary's top dogs in 2008 and 2016 both.

Do you also feel that Hillary was/is compromised?

I am not alleging anything but you’re fooling yourself if you think Bernie is just going to waltz through the nomination process without intense scrutiny on this stuff.   

I want Bernie to do a better job of taking it head on.  

You think I’m against Bernie, I’m not.  He needs to clear some shit up or he’s going to get beaten by it. 

Your reflexive and dismissive responses towards me are telling though.

Edited February 19, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I am not alleging anything but you’re fooling yourself if you think Bernie is just going to waltz through the nomination process without intense scrutiny on this stuff.   

I think intense scrutiny is a great idea. Let's have it!

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You think I’m against Bernie, I’m not.

Why lie like this? You clearly dislike him and this attempt to be clever about it falls hilariously flat.

Let's look at this sentence:
"Pretty big coincidence the guy working with Manafort in Ukraine for Yanukovich just happened to be Bernie’s chief strategist in 2016."

You are working very hard to make implications while avoiding actually saying anything outright. It's basically how FOXNews operates. No substance. No fire, just say, "Oh others are saying there's smoke".

So let's scrutinize! Bernie Sanders worked with Tad Devine, who worked with Yanukovich.

WHAT COULD THIS MEAN!?!?!

Well, we have no evidence that Sanders himself is connected to Yanukovich directly. We have no evidence that Sanders has done anything in his official capacity to help Yanukovich. We have no evidence of... anything. On the other hand, Tad Devine, was a chief strategist for Gore 2000 and Kerry 2004.

So which makes more sense:

Option 1 - Sanders worked with a longtime Democratic presidential operative because he was in a presidential campaign

Option 2 - Sanders worked with a longtime Democratic presidential operative because... uh... RUSSIA! (err, Ukraine... wait)

Come on, Hugo, make some arguments.

 

 

[Dropout 355]

44 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Let’s just say there are a few little things Bernie could do that would go a long way.

First, he needs to publicly reject any social media assistance from foreign actors and specifically call out Russia.  I’d like to see every candidate do this but Bernie specifically.  There’s a lot of evidence his campaign was being amplified by the bots and trolls in 2016.  They’re still there too.

Second, he needs to release years of his full tax returns if he wants to be taken seriously, at least by me.  Trump’s concealment of his taxes in 2016 proves this issue should matter more than ever.

The fact that the Kremlin gives Bernie indirect support on social media, combined with his lack of transparency on his finances, combined with his soft on Russia record paints a bad picture to the creative mind. 

I’m not alleging a conspiracy but Bernie makes it very easy for others to.  The Russia situation is clearly not a priority for Bernie and that bothers me.  I know most people DGAF about Russia and that their prerogative but for me it matters. 

Bernie has called out Russia and Putin on multiple occasions on a wide range of issues. Let’s also realize he may not have control of what Russian trolls or bots are doing. How can the man be blamed for this without direct evidence of his involvement?

Which leads to Mueller. I trust this man to do his job. If Bernie was involved with Russia on anything in 2016 it will come out. I don’t see how Bernie would escape that fine tooth comb.

I agree he should release any tax stuff. I don’t know that he’s fought this so it’s hard for me to hold that against him at this moment. I believe Bernie is on record calling out Trump on this issue so the hypocrisy of not releasing his own would be uncharacteristic.

Edited February 19, 2019 by Dropout

[bad_teammate 13,132]

LET'S FUCKIN' GOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

 

[Hank Scorpio 17,723]

6 minutes ago, Dropout said:

Bernie has called out Russia and Putin on multiple occasions on a wide range of issues. Let’s also realize he may not have control of what Russian trolls or bots are doing. How can the man be blamed for this without direct evidence of his involvement?

Which leads to Mueller. I trust this man to do his job. If Bernie was involved with Russia on anything in 2016 it will come out. I don’t see how Bernie would escape that fine tooth comb.

I agree he should release any tax stuff. I don’t know that he’s fought this so it’s hard for me to hold that against him at this moment. I believe Bernie is on record calling out Trump on this issue so the hypocrisy of not releasing his own would be uncharacteristic.

Get this reasonable shit out of here. This thread is reserved for unhinged conspiracy theories that revolve around the TV show the Americans actually being true and Bernie being a secret Russian operative placed in America when he was a child to infiltrate the highest levels of government and, uh, make sure that everyone has healthcare. The plan is almost devious in its simplicity. 

Edited February 19, 2019 by Hank Scorpio

[Dropout 355]

This thread needs you Hank

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

There’s no way we could ever elect a Kremlin sympathizer president so we should just put this Russia talk behind us. 

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[NowThis 931]

1 hour ago, EuroHorn said:

White, old, and male. Three strikes for the Dems.  Not going to happen...

the current POTUS is that. HRC was 2 of the 3, with the 3rd questionable.

also, fuck Hugo 

[bad_teammate 13,132]

 

lol "Mooslims"

[AeroHorn 735]

I sincerely hope that the last two years have disillusioned people enough to see through political gamesmanship (both parties) and divisive nastiness (Trump) to at least apply a filter to understand the message and the person behind the message. Bernie was a far ahead leading candidate for me but voted for Hilary as a far behind second choice. He starts as a leading candidate for me but I am very open to be won over by Warren, Harris or any other candidate.

May the best message and the messenger prevail.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

Crazy that Wikileaks has been tweeting about Bernie all fucking day.

[GSU&UT 1,798]

1 hour ago, AeroHorn said:

I sincerely hope that the last two years have disillusioned people enough to see through political gamesmanship (both parties) and divisive nastiness (Trump) to at least apply a filter to understand the message and the person behind the message. Bernie was a far ahead leading candidate for me but voted for Hilary as a far behind second choice. He starts as a leading candidate for me but I am very open to be won over by Warren, Harris or any other candidate.

May the best message and the messenger prevail.

 

For all the handwringing about Bernie's age, race, his supposed unpopularity with black people, this is my response to all that shit. This is a huge wide-open primary and I (perhaps optimistically) assume every major candidate will get a fair chance and the one with the best platform/message/optics will win the nomination.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

From Planet Stupid

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R election fraud & other shenanigans
Ignore Russian election meddling
Skyrocketing debt
Ignore now commonplace mass shootings

Yep, sounds free, prosperous, and safe. Same Rs as the old Rs.

[Goredho 17,348]

Is he an old, fat, mushroom-dicked racist who hates brown people, wants to make America an autocracy and has Putin's hand firmly lodged up his ass?

No?

He's got my vote then.

[Hank Scorpio 17,723]

 

[gmr548 16,511]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

From Planet Stupid

He scurred.

[TexArcher 37,508]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

From Planet Stupid

I think she's accusing him of coddling the wrong dictators?

[bad_teammate 13,132]

In his Young Turks interview he said he wants a woman VP.

Sanders/Warren 2020 oh my god let's go

(dream: Sanders/Tlaib)

Edited February 20, 2019 by bad_teammate

[Hank Kingsley 20,695]

Wait, when did Kayleigh become National Press Secretary? 

Fucking CNN. She was all over their channel during the 2016 election. Add another disingenuous grifter to the Trump club. 

 

 

 

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[Continental Op 3,934]

He has passed my stringent vetting process, which involves asking the question  "He's not Ted Cruz or Donald Trump, right?"  so I guess he has my vote if he wins the Democratic nomination.  

Edited February 20, 2019 by Continental Op

[bad_teammate 13,132]

8 hours ago, Continental Op said:

He has passed my stringent vetting process, which involves asking the question  "He's not Ted Cruz or Donald Trump, right?"  so I guess he has my vote if he wins the Democratic nomination.  

 

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FYI - Biden will be joining the race. And he will promise a woman as vp just the same. And he will keep Schultz out.

Never negotiate with terrorists.

[GSU&UT 1,798]

Not going to claim Sanders doesn't struggle communicating with black people (I've heard black Sanders supporters lately say this is basically true), but this is interesting.

 

[NowThis 931]

10 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

In his Young Turks interview he said he wants a woman VP.

Sanders/Warren 2020 oh my god let's go

(dream: Sanders/Tlaib)

AIPAC would shit their pants if a Palestinian American were to become VPOTUS.  Imagine a Jew/Arab combo ticket, wow. 

Edited February 20, 2019 by NowThis

[Js1 85,109]

Lmao at Tulsi. Get fucked.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

14 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

Not going to claim Sanders doesn't struggle communicating with black people (I've heard black Sanders supporters lately say this is basically true), but this is interesting.

 

bErNiE hAs A pRoBlEm WiTh BlAcK vOtErS

[NowThis 931]

which is sad because he went to jail for them 

look at that arrogant bystander (probably JSack's grandpa)

Edited February 20, 2019 by NowThis

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Just now, NowThis said:

which is sad because he went to jail for them 

 

~*~*~ very Hugoishly ~*~*~

You know who else stirred up trouble in America during the Civil Rights Era?? THE RUSSIANS!!

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Dear white libs,

Stop pretending you're the Black Voter Whisperer.

You're not.

[David Dennison 18,656]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Dear white libs,

Stop pretending you're the Black Voter Whisperer.

You're not.

Seriously, though, the black vote is a big issue for Bernie to overcome.

 

[Hank Scorpio 17,723]

8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Seriously, though, the black vote is a big issue for Bernie to overcome.

 

Disagree. He connects with the youth, especially the black youth vote since they grew up watching him ball. 

 

 

And before the trolls try and say it's not true: