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56 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bernie has been doing this shit for 40+ years and AOC has been doing it for 40+ days. 

Yet AOC has been more effective at pitching tangible policy ideas to the American public than Bernie ever was.  

Why is that?  What the fuck was Bernie doing for 40 years that prevented him from taking the bull by the horns and leading the charge like AOC? 

This is one of my concerns with Bernard, he’s not a great leader. 

Because we millennials are the ones who are finally listening to him and rejecting the status quo that any socialist policies are immediately evil? I mean it's refreshing to hear him when our fucking Boomer parents have wrecked the economy by buying into "all big government and regulation is evil" and becoming NIMBYs because "I got mine, fuck you." AOC ran on this and young people identified with her as well.

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9 hours ago, Dropout said:

Bernie is about the issues.

It's his strength and weakness, yes.

56 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bernie has been doing this shit for 40+ years and AOC has been doing it for 40+ days. Yet AOC has been more effective at pitching tangible policy ideas to the American public than Bernie ever was.  

Hugo, buddy. Why do you think AOC is in Congress?

Bernie Sanders is why.

The Justice Democrats exist because of Bernie Sanders. The DSA became a political force because of Bernie Sanders. The entire Democratic party moved from center-right to center-left because of Bernie Sanders. Every Democratic presidential candidate is running on Bernie Sanders's 2016 platform.

If he hadn't run against Hillary Clinton, and ESPECIALLY if she had won, none of this would be happening. Our big goal would be further subsidizing premiums in the ACA scheme and desperately finding ways to balance the budget while developing a 100-year carbon-phase-out program based on cap-and-trade and hoping to get a $12/hr minimum wage.

Instead, because of Bernie Sanders, we have a political revolution happening in Congress. We have amazing young women of color taking charge and getting shit done. Not because of Hillary. Not because of the Democratic establishment. But because of Bernie Sanders and the political revolution he started in 2015 and continues to work for to this day.

Watch. Learn. Listen to her own words.

What the fuck is your problem with this guy? It's absurd.

9 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

I’m rambling now but I’m curious why Bernie held back on that stuff. Did he feel like he’d be seen as pandering? Didn’t want to be seen as bragging? Afraid it might turn some of those weird Bernie/Trump voters off?

I don't think there's any calculation to it; it's just not in his nature to talk about himself. Also, he hasn't ever needed it in his political life up in Vermont.

As you rightly point out, the national campaign requires a different move and people (rightfully) want to see more of his humanity and day-to-day.

Here's his brother nominating him at the DNC.

 

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Please read all of this. I have to tell you something that I’ve never said out loud. THIS MORNINT, at 11:30am, if you live anywhere near Brooklyn College, you can hear me say this in person as I introduce @BernieSanders at his kickoff campaign event. Last summer, I co-hosted a justice event with Bernie in Los Angeles. I spent a few weeks researching for the introduction that I gave Bernie, where I talked about the history behind this photo of him being arrested while chained to two Black women in Chicago. They were protesting these horrible broken down trailers, with rats and holes in them, that the city was trying to use for classrooms for Black children while nearly 300 white schools had completely empty classrooms. BERNIE WAS AN INTERSECTIONAL ALLY before we even used those words in this context. This was 1963!! He literally confronted police brutality in Chicago and blanketed the city with flyers about it. He organized the first ever civil rights sit in at the University of Chicago. And when I told these stories last summer at our rally, after I finished, his wife and son came up to me in tears, and said “Shaun - all these years and we’d never heard those stories before. He just never wanted people to feel like he was using his time in the Civil Rights Movement for his own political gain.” That’s who this man is. He is the last activist from the Civil Rights Movement with a chance to become President of the United States. But all these years, he’s kept his stories to himself. Some are just that painful. And because of that, for many of us, @berniesanders begins in our mind as a disheveled gray haired man. But when it mattered, this man chained himself to Black women and fought for civil and human rights. Don’t tell me it doesn’t matter what he did or what he saw back then. It’s EVERYTHING. Just like who we are right now, in this age, matters! Bernie’s origin story is of a Jewish boy who grew up in Brooklyn surrounded by Holocaust survivors and understood the pain of systemic oppression so personally that he’s fought against for nearly 50 straight years in every way he knows how. PLEASE JOIN US THIS MORNING @ BROOKLYN COLLEGE!

WE ARE GOING TO WIN

He didn't even tell his own family these stories because all he cares about is helping the people of America.

LET'S FUCKING GO

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Instead, because of Bernie Sanders, we have a political revolution happening in Congress. We have amazing young women of color taking charge and getting shit done. Not because of Hillary. Not because of the Democratic establishment. But because of Bernie Sanders and the political revolution he started in 2015 and continues to work for to this day.

Bernie deserves credit for starting the national conversation and moving the Democratic Party to better represent the population but he doesn’t get to claim the credit for the rise of minority women in Congress.

That was more of a reaction to the rise of Trumpism in the GOP than Bernard leadings the charge. 

My problem with Bernie is he demagogues way too much and I don’t trust him.  That might be my problem more than his but it’s my opinion at this time.  It’s not a total dealbreaker and he has plenty of time to earn my trust.  I hope he does. 

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5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bernie deserves credit for starting the national conversation and moving the Democratic Party to better represent the population but he doesn’t get to claim the credit for the rise of minority women in Congress.

And he isn't claiming it. You have brain worms.

And this is white liberalism in a nutshell: The very woman of color you were talking about was telling you in her own words how Bernie was the catalyst for her political movement but you're happy to ignore the voice of that woman of color because people of color only matter to you when they validate your center-right shitlib bullshit.

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My problem with Bernie is he demagogues way too much and I don’t trust him. 

Do you know what the word "demagogue" means? Please define it. Look it up first, because you don't seem to know.

You are being uniquely stupid today. Maybe you should log off for a bit.

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5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bernie has been doing this shit for 40+ years and AOC has been doing it for 40+ days. 

Yet AOC has been more effective at pitching tangible policy ideas to the American public than Bernie ever was.  

Why is that?  What the fuck was Bernie doing for 40 years that prevented him from taking the bull by the horns and leading the charge like AOC? 

This is one of my concerns with Bernard, he’s not a great leader. 

I disagree. Bernie is very effective at delivering his message. The medium is what has changed. It’s the Internet Hugo. Perhaps AOC has a slightly better understanding of the technology but Bernie has done a masterful job of harnessing the Internet to get his message out. That wasn’t available to him 40 years ago. He could easily be silenced. Not anymore. He can now communicate directly to the people without interference. That is what changed.

We have different definitions of leader. Bernie is the epitome of a leader. I can only assume you say this because he doesn’t work together as you see it. He couldn’t Hugo. You have to understand it’s all been too fucked. Doing what is right following your soul when faced with insurmountable odds. That is a leader. Bernie will be one of the greatest leaders the nation has ever seen if given the opportunity. 

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1 minute ago, Henry Hill said:

Who should get them? And what calculus is used? And who decides? And how much does each person get? And who pays?

All very good questions that need to be debated. This nation has yet to be reconstructed. A true reparations debate is one of many necessary steps in that reconstruction.

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37 minutes ago, Dropout said:

We have different definitions of leader. Bernie is the epitome of a leader. I can only assume you say this because he doesn’t work together as you see it. He couldn’t Hugo. You have to understand it’s all been too fucked. Doing what is right following your soul when faced with insurmountable odds. That is a leader.

Bernie wants to lead but he needs to win the presidency to do it because he can’t accomplish anything without power being handed to him by the electorate, even though he’s been a lawmaker for literally a generation and a half.

That’s not leading, it’s being a self centered egomaniac that thinks his policies are impossible unless it’s done his way.  He thinks he’s bigger than his ideas when in reality the only thing appealing about him are his ideas.  

I see something much different when I look at leaders like AOC and Warren that have worked within the party to bend it to their will.  That’s what leadership looks like to me.  Bernie doesn’t have the talent to do that so he’s going to bypass the party all together until it suites him.

Which only happens to be when he wants to be president. 

How convenient for him. 

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Bernie wants to lead but he needs to win the presidency to do it because he can’t accomplish anything without power being handed to him by the electorate, even though he’s been a lawmaker for literally a generation and a half.

That’s not leading, it’s being a self centered egomaniac that thinks his policies are impossible unless it’s done his way.  He thinks he’s bigger than his ideas when in reality the only thing appealing about him are his ideas.  

I see something much different when I look at leaders like AOC and Warren that have worked within the party to bend it to their will.  That’s what leadership looks like to me.  Bernie doesn’t have the talent to do that so he’s going to bypass the party all together until it suites him.

Which only happens to be when he wants to be president. 

How convenient for him. 

Self centered egomaniac? Bernie bigger than his ideas? Bypass the party altogether? Are we talking about Bernie Sanders?

Environment and rights of the people. Despite what we’ve been told since birth there isn’t anything more important than human beings and the planet we live on. These things simply can’t be overlooked. What Bernie fights for is non negotiable. Get your shit together America and I’ll be here screaming and waiting was his approach. What else could he do? Surrender or give up I suppose.

You keep mentioning AOC and Warren like they somehow contrast Bernie. They don’t. They closely align with Bernie. Perhaps even follow his lead?? Warren has certainly come a lot closer to Bernie politically than when she started. Not the other way around. AOC only campaigned for him in 2016.

He has never made it about himself. His ideas have always been far bigger than him. Bernie could of easily went the way of every politician and sat there collecting money taking it easy. He has worked with Democrats his entire career despite having significant philosophical differences. We aren’t talking about the same person.

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I agree. And that is where your problem with him rests. It’s not Russia or him being old or him being a leader. Perhaps you think your ideas are bigger than the party? By the looks of it the majority have sided with Bernie.

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I agree. And that is where your problem with him rests. It’s not Russia or him being old or him being a leader. Perhaps you think your ideas are bigger than the party? By the looks of it the majority have sided with Bernie.

Uh, the majority hasn’t even had the opportunity to decide and probably couldn’t tell the difference between the Bernie vs Warren approach.   Democracy will sort it out and if Bernie is chosen, he will have my support.

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Obviously. Obvious. You’re like a crab on the beach in the way of a tsunami. You see the blue wall getting closer just don’t know it’s going to wash you away. It’s good to know you’ll be swept up tho. Like you have a choice at that point.

I hope you survive. You’d be an asset to the team. I know you can make it. You’ll be alright. 

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2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bernie wants to lead but he needs to win the presidency to do it because he can’t accomplish anything without power being handed to him by the electorate, even though he’s been a lawmaker for literally a generation and a half.

That’s not leading, it’s being a self centered egomaniac that thinks his policies are impossible unless it’s done his way.  He thinks he’s bigger than his ideas when in reality the only thing appealing about him are his ideas.  

I see something much different when I look at leaders like AOC and Warren that have worked within the party to bend it to their will.  That’s what leadership looks like to me.  Bernie doesn’t have the talent to do that so he’s going to bypass the party all together until it suites him.

Which only happens to be when he wants to be president. 

How convenient for him. 

Please, you weren't even a Democrat until recently. Eat a bag of dicks

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54 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Great news... FOR BERNIE!

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has Castro declared? has he dropped out yet? Sorry, not too familiar with him. 

Suppose Trump repeats, all these guys will really be too old to run, so 2024 will be truly intriguing. 

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15 minutes ago, NowThis said:

has Castro declared? has he dropped out yet? Sorry, not too familiar with him. 

He declared a month ago.

It's early. Too early to dismiss anyone who isn't a nutcase (a'la Williamson). He's not in a strong position, but things happen.

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31 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

He declared a month ago.

It's early. Too early to dismiss anyone who isn't a nutcase (a'la Williamson). He's not in a strong position, but things happen.

all those at 0 or 1% should drop out soon for the good of the party. The Dems need all resources, as undiluted as possible. 

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1 hour ago, NowThis said:

all those at 0 or 1% should drop out soon for the good of the party. The Dems need all resources, as undiluted as possible. 

During the primary? Why? It's fine. Let the people run and let the voters make the choice. We can wait until after Super Tuesday.

 

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11 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

He's trying to prove that political campaigns select a racially diverse audience to stand behind the candidate during speeches.

Which they do.

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ironically, those pics are also a good representation of Antifa, his bed buddies. 

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I’ve reported on Bernie Sanders for years. A free press won’t give him what he wants.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/26/ive-reported-bernie-sanders-years-free-press-cant-give-him-what-he-wants/

Paul Heintz is a staff writer for and political editor of Seven Days, a Vermont newsweekly.

In the fall of 1988, Bernie Sanders charged up the stairs of a Montpelier bar to the Vermont offices of the Associated Press, followed by CBS News reporter Harry Reasoner and a camera crew from “60 Minutes.”

Sanders, who was running for a U.S. House seat, was steamed that the AP had skipped his news conference earlier that day at a farm in central Vermont. Once again, Sanders thought, the mainstream media had ignored the problems plaguing America — and refused to cover his proposed solutions.

“If you’re getting screwed by the media, you don’t have much recourse,” Sanders wrote of the incident in his 1997 memoir, “Outsider in the House.”

This time, Sanders thought he had recourse, in the form of a national reporter he hoped would cover the snub and his subsequent confrontation with AP bureau chief Chris Graff. “I could expose the AP to the world,” Sanders wrote. “It was delicious.”

Graff remembers it differently. “He had been embarrassed,” Graff told me years later. “He holds a press conference and not one reporter shows up.”

Such has been the story of much of Sanders’s political career. Since he mounted a failed 1972 bid for the U.S. Senate on the left-wing Liberty Union Party ticket, Sanders has been underestimated, underappreciated and often ignored by the press. He has long maintained that if the media would only cover what he has to say, the American people would embrace it — a theory that was bolstered by his surprising success in the 2016 Democratic presidential primary.

But Sanders’s remedy for what ails the media — uncritical, stenographic coverage of his agenda — betrays a misunderstanding of the role of a free press. And his dismissal of legitimate journalism not to his liking as “political gossip” bears a troubling resemblance to what another politician refers to as “fake news.”

Like most of Sanders’s political positions, his views on the media have remained remarkably consistent over his nearly five decades in public life.

In an essay published 40 years ago in the Vanguard Press, a since-shuttered Vermont alt-weekly, citizen Sanders argued that the television industry’s corporate owners were seeking to “use that medium to intentionally brainwash people into submission and helplessness,” creating “a nation of morons.” He bemoaned the “psychological damage that constant advertising interruptions have on the capacity of a human being to think.”

Eighteen years later, Sanders argued in “Outsider in the House” that “Television, which provides instantaneous coverage of earthquakes thousands of miles away, seems to have ‘missed’” the “precipitous decline” of the nation’s working class.

“One of the greatest crises in American society,” Sanders added, “is that the ownership of the media is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.”

Many of those views now seem prescient. Corporate consolidation has decimated U.S. newsrooms, contributing to a 23 percent decline in journalism jobs over the course of a decade. The rise of right-wing propaganda outfits such as Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting has validated Sanders’s thesis on the influence of corporate owners. And reporters’ obsession with the political horse race and the latest clickable micro-scoop has come at the expense of a serious discussion about public policy.

Though Sanders understands the problem, his solutions leave something to be desired. The way the senator sees it, the job of a journalist is merely to transcribe his diatribes unchallenged and broadcast his sermons unfiltered.

“He would not be happy with anything that did not basically publish his press release in its entirety — word for word, quote for quote,” said Graff, who spent nearly three decades reporting in Vermont for the AP.

Back when Sanders held regular news conferences in Vermont — it’s been a few years— he typically refused to answer questions unrelated to his chosen topic of the day. That’s problematic for local reporters, who rarely have the opportunity to quiz the members of Congress they cover without spokespeople running interference.

At a 1985 forum on the media, the late Vermont political columnist Peter Freyne complained to Sanders, then the mayor of Burlington, that he had reneged on his promise to hold regular press conferences, pointing out that “When asked a question you don’t want to answer, you leave the room.”

Sanders’s response? An ad hominem: “Peter, you are basically a gossip columnist.”

Decades later, Sanders hasn’t changed. During my time covering him for Seven Days, a statewide weekly based in Burlington, the senator has refused to answer questions I’ve posed on topics ranging from gun rights to the Syrian civil war to drone strikes on American citizens — hardly “political gossip.”

Sanders has always preferred to bypass the news media in order to stay on his chosen message. That’s why he hosted his own cable access show as mayor, his own talk radio show as a member of the House and his own podcast and social media empire as a senator.

In December 2015, as Sanders’s first presidential campaign was gaining traction, the candidate returned to familiar rhetoric, accusing the networks of engaging in a “Bernie blackout.”

Back home, Vermont news organizations were suffering from a different kind of Bernie blackout: For more than two years, he refused to speak with VTDigger or Seven Days, and he refused to appear live on Vermont Public Radio’s marquee call-in show, “Vermont Edition.”Unlike the “corporate” media he loathes, it should be noted, the three news outlets are nonprofit or locally owned.

The boycott coincided with aggressive reporting the three organizations conducted on his wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders’s, troubled presidency of the bankrupted Burlington College, which prompted an FBI investigation.

In January 2018, nearly three years after Sanders blacklisted Seven Days, his spokesperson finally granted me an interview. But the offer came with a caveat: The senator would not answer questions about “political gossip” or members of his family.

Such conditions are unacceptable to ethical news organizations, so I declined the offer — but I showed up anyway to Burlington International Airport, where the interview was to take place. As I followed him to security, I asked when he’d finally grant us a real interview.

“I don’t talk to gossip columnists,” he said. “I talk about issues.”

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