Super Bowl LVII - Las Vegas

The Dog · February 12

8 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

I don't understand why "Mahomes was most expensive cap hit in NFL at $37M" would matter. His extension kicks in next year and he will be making close to 60 million, which has to be top 3 in the league for cap hits. Chris Jones was a huge factor in the win tonight and he's a free agent, they will need to use most if not all of their cap space to keep him. If they lose Jones, then this defense will drop off considerably, and it isn't going to get considerably better, unless they have some stud young players develop.

He's got two void years in his contract they can use to play around with the numbers and defer that. His contract gives the team a lot of flexibility while he still gets paid:

https://overthecap.com/player/patrick-mahomes/5594

tx 3 putt · February 12

On that last play, time was about to hit zero, was the game over at 00:00 in OT

mdmost · February 12

1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

On that last play, time was about to hit zero, was the game over at 00:00 in OT

No. It would've gone to the 2nd OT quarter.

tx 3 putt · February 12

5 minutes ago, mdmost said:

No. It would've gone to the 2nd OT quarter.

that’s what i thought

2nd OT was the final OT ?

David Dennison · February 12

Just now, tx 3 putt said:

that’s what i thought

2nd OT was the final OT ?

I believe they play until there's winner.

Codaxx · February 12

1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

that’s what i thought

2nd OT was the final OT ?

I believe it just goes on and on, until someone scores

TonyTexas · February 12

Just now, tx 3 putt said:

that’s what i thought

2nd OT was the final OT ?

Not necessarily. They play until there’s a winner. But there’s a new coin flip after the 2nd OT

Huckleberry · February 12

There has been a triple overtime NFL playoff game before, guys. I hope I'm missing sarcasm here about the game possibly just ending still tied.

Dammit my childhood memory failed me. The above is not accurate (well the part about it being silly to think it would just end in a tie was accurate).

Edited February 12 by Huckleberry

mdmost · February 12

Just now, tx 3 putt said:

that’s what i thought

2nd OT was the final OT ?

There is no final OT. There is only does one team get the final score. Each team got a possession and chance to score. If both scored a TD, the game would've gone on and the next score wins it. That's why the Chiefs said they would've just gone for 2 if SF had already gotten a TD in OT. It would've gone on until someone got the final score.

February 12

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-overtime-rules/

Play until a winner.

As far as I can tell, there's no need for a game clock in the playoff overtime, right? Each team gets a possession. If you lead after that, you win. If it's still tied, then you keep playing until someone scores.

Edit: The only reason for the game clock seems to be that there is a "two-minute intermission" between each period. So the game clock tracks when the intermission is if the game is still going.

Edited February 12 by FirstTimeCaller

utxmike05 · February 12

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

that’s what i thought

2nd OT was the final OT ?

I read that the super bowl OT is basically a new 4qtr game...there would have even been a short OT halftime. Per NFL site.

tx 3 putt · February 12

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

I believe it just goes on and on, until someone scores

of course someone has to be winning

956 Worldwide · February 12

The playoff overtime rules are different.

Each team gets a possession, there is a timed quarter but the game keeps going until AT LEAST both teams have a possession.

If the game is still tied after both teams have a possession, then you go to sudden death and the team that had the ball first goes on offense.

You always want to gauge the state of your team and the opponent, but the numbers say you usually want the ball first.

Ideal is to score a TD and kick the XP. Then the other team has to score a TD and 2, which is the lowest probability outcome, to beat you outright.

Otherwise you get the ball and kick the FG to win.

Texzilla58 · February 12

Yeah this was definitely the weirdest shit of the night. Chevy needs to release a commercial next week that just says "Chevy. Not founded by Nazis."

Chevy. We beat the fucking Nazis.

Had Enough · February 12

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-overtime-rules/
Play until a winner.
As far as I can tell, there's no need for a game clock in the playoff overtime, right? Each team gets a possession. If you lead after that, you win. If it's still tied, then you keep playing until someone scores.
Edit: The only reason for the game clock seems to be that there is a "two-minute intermission" between each period. So the game clock tracks when the intermission is if the game is still going.

I would assume the clocked is needed to switch ends of the field too after completion of the quarter. Not necessarily a huge deal here but if played outdoors or in some dome in which kicking is more difficult, it could matter. Again an assumption, but the clock runs just as though it’s another full game.

DigDug · February 12

59 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I’ve had no problem with the Taylor Swift coverage this season, but as much as the NFL is a whore for eyeballs on the TVs, I’m surprised at how little they showed her during the game.

They showed Brock Purdy's parents for about a minute or so, obviously going hard after that christian conservative market.

Had Enough · February 12

They showed Brock Purdy's parents for about a minute or so, obviously going hard after that christian conservative market.

Which begs the question about Mahomes parents. They never get shown. Where are they?

Wally Fairway · February 12

9 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The playoff overtime rules are different.

Each team gets a possession, there is a timed quarter but the game keeps going until AT LEAST both teams have a possession.

If the game is still tied after both teams have a possession, then you go to sudden death and the team that had the ball first goes on offense.

You always want to gauge the state of your team and the opponent, but the numbers say you usually want the ball first.

Ideal is to score a TD and kick the XP. Then the other team has to score a TD and 2, which is the lowest probability outcome, to beat you outright.

Otherwise you get the ball and kick the FG to win.

I thought you always want to play defense first, then you know what you have to do the win or to tie.
If KC had the ball first, and they score then Shanahan doesn't kick the shorty FG in OT; and KC doesn't know that they have 4 downs every series to get the first because it is score of go home.
But then what would I know - growing up as a Lions fan, and then becoming an Oilers fan (fuck Bud Adams) after college.

SameSame · February 12

3 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Which begs the question about Mahomes parents. They never get shown. Where are they?

I imagine Pat Sr. was trying to keep low last night, or he was somewhere breaking his probation.

Texzilla58 · February 12

And it’s funny to read all the responses about how the Swift stuff isn’t a big deal. Enjoy all of next season when she’s shoved down your throat even more and the league puts the Chiefs in the SB again. And you’re insane if you think the league isn’t going to try and cash in on more female viewers. Look for more culture war stuff, and more rule changes to make the game even more less violent and aggressive, and more feminine.

Jesus another Swift conspiracist.

Those guys were knocking the shit out of each other last night. The league is going to protect QBs because no one wants to watch scrubs playing that role. And I’m a fan of the league’s Play60 and flag football efforts. It gets kids outside and playing football at younger ages and gets single moms involved. They are the key to letting their kids play.

Pig Bellmont · February 12

2 hours ago, Helobious said:

and the league puts the Chiefs in the SB again.

hook me · February 12

2 hours ago, Helobious said:

And it’s funny to read all the responses about how the Swift stuff isn’t a big deal. Enjoy all of next season when she’s shoved down your throat even more and the league puts the Chiefs in the SB again. And you’re insane if you think the league isn’t going to try and cash in on more female viewers. Look for more culture war stuff, and more rule changes to make the game even more less violent and aggressive, and more feminine.

So the Chiefs aren't getting the 3-peat? Good to know.

30 minutes ago, utxmike05 said:

I read that the super bowl OT is basically a new 4qtr game...there would have even been a short OT halftime. Per NFL site.

More Usher? Thank God we dodged that bullet.

Incredulity · February 12

The Kelce/Swift madness didn't bother me, but the reality is that it is highly unlikely they are still together Week 1 of next season. Given Taylor's dating history and the realities of celebrity romance.

So for anyone that it bothers, rest easy.

Edited February 12 by Incredulity

956 Worldwide · February 12

8 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

I thought you always want to play defense first, then you know what you have to do the win or to tie.
If KC had the ball first, and they score then Shanahan doesn't kick the shorty FG in OT; and KC doesn't know that they have 4 downs every series to get the first because it is score of go home.
But then what would I know - growing up as a Lions fan, and then becoming an Oilers fan (fuck Bud Adams) after college.

That holds except in the NFL playoffs. You always want the ball first if the game goes to sudden death, which is what happens if the game is tied after the first two possessions.

There are more paths to an outright win OR to getting the ball first in sudden death if you go first.

hook me · February 12

32 minutes ago, mdmost said:

There is no final OT. There is only does one team get the final score. Each team got a possession and chance to score. If both scored a TD, the game would've gone on and the next score wins it. That's why the Chiefs said they would've just gone for 2 if SF had already gotten a TD in OT. It would've gone on until someone got the final score.

This is why I would still want to be on defense first. Mahomes had 4 downs to get a first down every time because they knew punting wasn't an option. Even after that terrible 1st down that left them in 2nd and 14 instead of 2 and 4 they knew they had 3 downs to get it instead of only 2. That completely changes the play calling and mindset. I understood the "rest the defense" part of the decision for Shanahan, but I would have thought not giving Mahomes 4 downs to get first downs would have outweighed resting your defense. Taking the ball first is a huge advantage if it goes to 3 possessions, but you have to hope that you can actually get to that third possession before you have that advantage.

UTexasFight · February 12

4 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

The Kelce/Swift madness didn't bother me, but the reality is that it is highly unlikely they are still together Week 1 of next season. Given Taylor's dating history and the realities of celebrity romance.

So for anyone that it bothers, rest easy.

Enjoy Swift dropping her breakup album on February 9, 2025 at kickoff of the Chiefs going for the three peat

mdmost · February 12

2 minutes ago, hook me said:

This is why I would still want to be on defense first. Mahomes had 4 downs to get a first down every time because they knew punting wasn't an option. Even after that terrible 1st down that left them in 2nd and 14 instead of 2 and 4 they knew they had 3 downs to get it instead of only 2. That completely changes the play calling and mindset. I understood the "rest the defense" part of the decision for Shanahan, but I would have thought not giving Mahomes 4 downs to get first downs would have outweighed resting your defense. Taking the ball first is a huge advantage if it goes to 3 possessions, but you have to hope that you can actually get to that third possession before you have that advantage.

I'll need to find the story I read about the Chiefs strategy for the OT but I'm pretty sure the Chiefs player interviewed said they would've gone on defense if they won the toss. Then the 49ers won the toss and took the ball, not realizing going on defense was the better move. They thought it was just get the TD first. The 49ers had so many questionable coaching moves and strategies last night.

Edited February 12 by mdmost

Horndog · February 12

Remember this? I don't recall many people getting too worked up.

hook me · February 12

8 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I'll need to find the story I read about the Chiefs strategy for the OT but I'm pretty sure the Chiefs player interviewed said they would've gone on defense if they won the toss. Then the 49ers won the toss and took the ball, not realizing going on defense was the better move. They thought it was just get the TD first.

ESPN had the reporting. That's shocking honestly. Looks as if the coaches were still aware, but the players not knowing is surprising.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39511676/49ers-players-say-know-super-bowl-rules

Edited February 12 by hook me

Underdog · February 12

47 minutes ago, utxmike05 said:

I read that the super bowl OT is basically a new 4qtr game...there would have even been a short OT halftime. Per NFL site.

Sooooo, more Usher, then?

'stache · February 12

2 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I think being on offense knowing your playing with 4 downs vs 3 (if opponent scores) and knowing what you need to win/continue trumps all that. I kick first.

This was my first inclination but I see the merit of playing for the first sudden death possession if the first two drives are even. The kicking team risks losing overtime having only one possession while the receiving team gets two. But last night shows the risk, giving Mahomes and Reid a full drive with four down playcalling. I think it’ll be pretty rare for two possessions to take 15 full minutes so just a bizarre overtime.

Edited February 12 by 'stache

LateAughtsHorn · February 12

2 hours ago, Helobious said:

And it’s funny to read all the responses about how the Swift stuff isn’t a big deal. Enjoy all of next season when she’s shoved down your throat even more and the league puts the Chiefs in the SB again. And you’re insane if you think the league isn’t going to try and cash in on more female viewers. Look for more culture war stuff, and more rule changes to make the game even more less violent and aggressive, and more feminine.

What's Q been up to lately?

mdmost · February 12

5 minutes ago, hook me said:

ESPN had the reporting. That's shocking honestly. Looks as if the coaches were still aware, but the players not knowing is surprising.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39511676/49ers-players-say-know-super-bowl-rules

Yes and there's the difference in the coaching staffs and gives you an idea why one side has won 3 Super Bowls and the other has lost 2 and been a part of another losing one in Atlanta.

The Chiefs, conversely, said they were well prepared for an overtime contingency in the postseason. Defensive lineman Chris Jones told reporters that Kansas City "talked for two weeks about new overtime rules," while safety Justin Reid said their preparation began in training camp.

"We've talked about it all year," Reid said. "We talked about it in training camp about how the rules were different in regular season versus the playoffs. Every week of the playoffs we talked about the overtime rule."

Jones said that if the Niners had scored a touchdown on their opening overtime possession to take a seven-point lead, the Chiefs were prepared to "go for two" if they scored on their ensuing possession.

"We knew what our game plan was -- had we won the coin toss, whether we want to defer or not, and what our plan was from there," Reid said.

Edited February 12 by mdmost

UTexasFight · February 12

12 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I'll need to find the story I read about the Chiefs strategy for the OT but I'm pretty sure the Chiefs player interviewed said they would've gone on defense if they won the toss. Then the 49ers won the toss and took the ball, not realizing going on defense was the better move. They thought it was just get the TD first. The 49ers had so many questionable coaching moves and strategies last night.

I really want him to be successful but Shanahan really is becoming the king of blowing super bowls

Surly Bevo · February 12

The other thing that could tip going on defense first. Say the team that gets the ball first has some shitty return or even if they get the ball at the 25. You 3 and out them with minimal gain you have a good chance for some solid field position on your first possession without the downside risk of sudden death ending it.

'stache · February 12

If overtime went straight to 2-pt conversion shootouts soccer style neither team gets a coin flip advantage. I’d be good with that system.

USNALonghorn · February 12

3 hours ago, Homercles said:

SF getting 5 yards a pop running the ball however they want…”well guess it’s time to start throwing it”.

Sark?

Incredulity · February 12

8 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Sooooo, more Usher, then?

TonyTexas · February 12

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

I’ve had no problem with the Taylor Swift coverage this season, but as much as the NFL is a whore for eyeballs on the TVs, I’m surprised at how little they showed her during the game.

The Houston Chronicle tracked it. During the game broadcast, she was shown 12 times for a total of 53 seconds.

Incredulity · February 12

1 minute ago, TonyTexas said:

The Houston Chronicle tracked it. During the game broadcast, she was shown 12 times for a total of 53 seconds.

something, something....30 second commercial 7.5 million...something, something......Billionaire....something, something.....fix is in, average looks,....something, something... conspiracy MAGAt....

There done.

hook me · February 12

8 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If overtime went straight to 2-pt conversion shootouts soccer style neither team gets a coin flip advantage. I’d be good with that system.

Most (all?) major soccer tournaments have periods of sudden death before it goes to penalties.

F250 · February 12

48 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Which begs the question about Mahomes parents. They never get shown. Where are they?

Wilcox Cummingtonite · February 12

wtf was Kelce doing screaming at Andy Reid on the sidelines?

gernblansten · February 12

Talking heads always need things to talk about, and this 49ers OT thing looks like one of those classic overblown stories. It starts with two players flippantly saying they didn't know the rule and turns into "Kyle Shanahan failed to prepare his team so they lost in OT." Can someone explain to me how Arik Armstead would play differently if he "knew the rule"? Did he let the Chiefs score a TD because he thought it'd help the 49ers win? Did he play with hesitation not knowing the rule and thinking maybe the defenses goal was to not stop the offense? I'm pretty positive after the Patriots-Falcons Super Bowl a Patriots player said he didn't know the overtime rule, but I can't find it after a quick search. But, there is this. I guess Mecole probably slept through all the meetings the Chiefs had on it.

“Can I tell a quick funny story? I threw a touchdown to this dude to end the game, and he had no idea,” Mahomes said, with his arm around Hardman. “I said, ‘Dude, we just won the Super Bowl.’ He had no idea. He didn’t even celebrate at the beginning.”

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/mecole-hardman-didnt-know-overtime-rule-patrick-mahomes-had-to-tell-him-he-won-the-game

PittsburghTiger · February 12

Didn’t hear about this last night.

F250 · February 12

43 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

The Kelce/Swift madness didn't bother me, but the reality is that it is highly unlikely they are still together Week 1 of next season. Given Taylor's dating history and the realities of celebrity romance.

So for anyone that it bothers, rest easy.

'stache · February 12

6 minutes ago, hook me said:

Most (all?) major soccer tournaments have periods of sudden death before it goes to penalties.

Soccer doesn’t have set “possessions” like American football or downs. Any advantage to first possession works itself out over 15 minutes. Any system in American Football that includes a clock and possessions in overtime provides a coin flip advantage to one side or the other. Straight to conversion shootouts is the only system that doesn’t have any advantage. It would also be fewer plays almost every time since player safety is an issue.

Incredulity · February 12

I guarantee a team could have 3 meetings a week all season long and special daily practice sessions for the two weeks focused on playoffs overtime rules/coin toss strategy leading up to the game and some of the players wouldn't know the overtime rules. Some are too stupid, others are too focused on the 11 million other things a football player needs to remember, but mostly they really don't give a shit. Those decisions are on the coaching staff.

DigDug · February 12

36 minutes ago, Horndog said:

Remember this? I don't recall many people getting too worked up.

We're now pulling from old twitter, it must have circulated to facebook.

Quagmire · February 12

Remember this? I don't recall many people getting too worked up.

Huge rocking tits tend to do that

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