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Just now, DaysOff said:

Ana thinks he'll get to go on a rocket ride someday. Keep simping and grinding little buddy.

Not so sure of that. When asked if he'd like a ride, they'd eventually move on to the next person after listening to his rambling response that fails to answer the question 

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22 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

How much of the budget specifically goes to this function?

 

It's amazing how easily distracted people are. 

Yeah amazing so many people are distracted by 200+ years of Constitutional order being steamrolled by an unelected billionaire. If GOP doesn’t like it- they’ve got both houses of Congress. 
 

Never mind the costs to privacy, national security and literal human lives. *waves hands* it’s just so unimportant 

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1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Yeah amazing so many people are distracted by 200+ years of Constitutional order being steamrolled by an unelected billionaire.

Unelected billionaire vs. unelected bureaucrats. Meh Constitutional order. LOL.  

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Well, that would seem to be the problem wouldn't it. 

Why is that the problem?

Something that we get serious ROI for that is a rounding error in our budget should go in the "we're good with this, no need to fuck with it -- hell, even if we trim inefficiencies and shit, it's fractions of pennies on the dollar of the total budget.  Let's focus on real spending items first" bucket.

Yet....it's targe #1 for an authoritarian, racist oligarch whose clear goal is to isolate the US and become its de facto authoritarian ruler.  THAT tells us exactly why USAID is being targeted here.  It has ZERO to do with America's fiscal health, and 100% to do with Elon's personal agenda.  

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5 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

Ana thinks he'll get to go on a rocket ride someday. Keep simping and grinding little buddy.

4 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Not so sure of that. When asked if he'd like a ride, they'd eventually move on to the next person after listening to his rambling response that fails to answer the question 

Yeah, for somebody who is some big on space, he seems to get really shy when asked why he doesn't take a trip into orbit on one of his own rockets.

Almost as if it's a facade.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Why is that the problem?

Something that we get serious ROI for that is a rounding error in our budget should go in the "we're good with this, no need to fuck with it -- hell, even if we trim inefficiencies and shit, it's fractions of pennies on the dollar of the total budget.  Let's focus on real spending items first" bucket.

Yet....it's targe #1 for an authoritarian, racist oligarch whose clear goal is to isolate the US and become its de facto authoritarian ruler.  THAT tells us exactly why USAID is being targeted here.  It has ZERO to do with America's fiscal health, and 100% to do with Elon's personal agenda.  

If the things that you are telling me are so fucking essential (and I tend to agree that they are good things that we should be doing) make up less than 1% of the USAID budget, USAID is non-essential. 

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Something that we get serious ROI for that is a rounding error in our budget should go in the "we're good with this, no need to fuck with it -- hell, even if we trim inefficiencies and shit, it's fractions of pennies on the dollar of the total budget.  Let's focus on real spending items first" bucket.

Yet....it's targe #1 for an authoritarian, racist oligarch whose clear goal is to isolate the US and become its de facto authoritarian ruler.  THAT tells us exactly why USAID is being targeted here.  It has ZERO to do with America's fiscal health, and 100% to do with Elon's personal agenda.  

It really is a national security issue if it helps even a few tens of thousand American farmers have the difference between a good year and a bad year, and keeps them in production and not shutting down and getting out of the farming business, so that down the road, if the shit hits the fan, we've got those farmers still chugging along that can help keep our food supplies going.

For instance, this stuff is what USAID does and it helps use keep our agriculture chugging along.

https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2024/04/18/usda-usaid-deploy-1-billion-emergency-food-assistance

The U.S. Department of Agriculture and the U.S. Agency for International Development will deploy $1 billion in Commodity Credit Corporation funding to purchase U.S.-grown commodities to provide emergency food assistance to people in need throughout the world, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack and USAID Administrator Samantha Power announced today.

“America’s farmers are the most productive and efficient in the world, and we rely on them to supply safe and nutritious food not only to our nation, but to the global community,” Secretary Vilsack said. “With many millions of people in dire need worldwide, the U.S. agricultural sector is well positioned to provide lifesaving food assistance. The United States produces more commodities than are consumed, and therefore has the opportunity to partner with USAID and extend this food to those in our global community who are struggling.”

“During this time of staggering global hunger, America is extending a hand to hungry communities around the world – and American farmers are crucial to that effort,” said Administrator Power. “USAID is honored to collaborate with USDA to purchase, ship and distribute our surplus food supplies to people in urgent need across the globe.”

In October 2023, USDA stated its intention to bolster efforts to combat global hunger by purchasing U.S.-grown commodities and working with USAID, the lead federal coordinator for disaster assistance, to ensure those commodities reach people in need around the world.

An initial tranche of approximately $950 million will support the purchase, shipment and distribution of U.S. wheat, rice, sorghum, lentils, chickpeas, dry peas, vegetable oil, cornmeal, navy beans, pinto beans and kidney beans – commodities that align with traditional USAID international food assistance programming. USAID will determine where the available commodities will be most appropriate for programming without disrupting local markets. USDA will purchase the commodities and transfer them to USAID for distribution.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

For someone who has said a lot of stupid shit, that ranks up there.

First, nothing is "essential."  If we want to live like isolated cavemen, we can make do.  We can cut all government spending, and live as warring tribes, with no utilities, roads, anything.  Humanity will survive as roving bands of hairless apes, we've done it before.

Second, the relative cost of something has very little correlation to whether it's essential/necessary/very helpful.  I am on the top floor of a building constructed using modern techniques.  I suspect that the cost of the bolts used to connect the girders that form the structure of this building was less than 1% of the total construction budget.  But if you suggested eliminating that item from the budget because, after all, if it's just 1% of the cost, it's "non-essential," I'd ask that you give me a chance to vacate the fuck out of the premises before you do so.

Tying cost to whether it's truly valuable is dumb as shit.  Shit, I am on a medication that's essential to maintaining my health, and its cost is less than 1% of my annual budget.  By that measure, I should drop it, as it's "non-essential."  How stupid.

 

We are not talking about the precious bolts holding your ledge to the wall. This notion that if you cut out a wasteful component of government spending, it's mad max, anarchy, no roads, no electricity, no "anything", we all devolve to hairless apes...I mean, you just tell on yourself.

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28 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Unelected billionaire vs. unelected bureaucrats. Meh Constitutional order. LOL.  

Oh look, another squirrell post that fails even simple analysis.   

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5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

This notion that if you cut out a wasteful component of government spending,

You're begging the question.

You presume it is wasteful....because it is just 1% of our budget.  The size of the spend is not what drives whether it is wasteful or not.  The 1% they spent on bolts for this building?  Not wasteful.  The .001% they spent on new fancy light fixtures in the lobby?  Definitely wasteful, and silly, nobody cares.

USAID: provides a lot of bang for the buck.  Provides real-deal strategic benefit both at home and abroad.

FFS, "has a high ROI" should be one of the main criteria that puts something in the "not wasteful spending" bucket.  You, on the other hand, literally said that because it's not a large percentage of the budget, it is therefore non-essential/a wasteful component of government spending.  And that is one of the stupidest things I've read on this board.

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8 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

We are not talking about the precious bolts holding your ledge to the wall. This notion that if you cut out a wasteful component of government spending, it's mad max, anarchy, no roads, no electricity, no "anything", we all devolve to hairless apes...I mean, you just tell on yourself.

So what should replace their role? Or nah, fuck em and let them eat manioc ?

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20 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

It really is a national security issue if it helps even a few tens of thousand American farmers have the difference between a good year and a bad year, and keeps them in production and not shutting down and getting out of the farming business, so that down the road, if the shit hits the fan, we've got those farmers still chugging along that can help keep our food supplies going.

For instance, this stuff is what USAID does and it helps use keep our agriculture chugging along.

https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2024/04/18/usda-usaid-deploy-1-billion-emergency-food-assistance

The U.S. Department of Agriculture and the U.S. Agency for International Development will deploy $1 billion in Commodity Credit Corporation funding to purchase U.S.-grown commodities to provide emergency food assistance to people in need throughout the world, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack and USAID Administrator Samantha Power announced today.

“America’s farmers are the most productive and efficient in the world, and we rely on them to supply safe and nutritious food not only to our nation, but to the global community,” Secretary Vilsack said. “With many millions of people in dire need worldwide, the U.S. agricultural sector is well positioned to provide lifesaving food assistance. The United States produces more commodities than are consumed, and therefore has the opportunity to partner with USAID and extend this food to those in our global community who are struggling.”

“During this time of staggering global hunger, America is extending a hand to hungry communities around the world – and American farmers are crucial to that effort,” said Administrator Power. “USAID is honored to collaborate with USDA to purchase, ship and distribute our surplus food supplies to people in urgent need across the globe.”

In October 2023, USDA stated its intention to bolster efforts to combat global hunger by purchasing U.S.-grown commodities and working with USAID, the lead federal coordinator for disaster assistance, to ensure those commodities reach people in need around the world.

An initial tranche of approximately $950 million will support the purchase, shipment and distribution of U.S. wheat, rice, sorghum, lentils, chickpeas, dry peas, vegetable oil, cornmeal, navy beans, pinto beans and kidney beans – commodities that align with traditional USAID international food assistance programming. USAID will determine where the available commodities will be most appropriate for programming without disrupting local markets. USDA will purchase the commodities and transfer them to USAID for distribution.

What the fuck?  Bootstraps or sandal straps or whatever those shithole country people wear.   Just like Christ said, "Fuck you this bread is mine." right after, "yeah bitch, I can raise Lazarus, right after you put down this dick."   Amen. 

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9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Good. Then they should be resilient to a full and transparent auditing of their spending. 

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Because....

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and that's not happening.  The spending is being cut because DEI, something something.

...This.

If what was announced was "we are going to perform a full and transparent audit of the spending of USAID [or any other agency]," functionally everyone would say "cool, go for it."

That, of course, is entirely different than what is actually happening.  How about you speak to what is actually happening, instead of moving the goalposts and concluding that expenditure X is by definition non-essential because it's under 1% of the budget?

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11 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Good. Then they should be resilient to a full and transparent auditing of their spending. 

 

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and that's not happening.  The spending is being cut because DEI, something something.

Correct. Elon and the guys from Pied Piper have skipped right past auditing and are into the cutting phase. (That's the best case scenario because who the fuck really knows what kind of info Elon is truly harvesting from the classified files.)

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

How about you speak to what is actually happening

We just shot a government entity that had a history of funding torture training in south america into the sun. I am ok with that. I think that the farmers will be fine. 

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7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

We just shot a government entity that had a history of funding torture training in south america into the sun. I am ok with that. I think that the farmers will be fine. 

And someday, when somebody buns you down, instead of weighing all of the things you've done, we can say "someone just took out someone who is a known liar.  I'm okay with that."*

 

* Because every single human has told a lie at some point in their life.  If the benchmark for whether it's okay to destroy something or someone is "has it ever done anything I don't morally agree with," then we should exterminate all humans and all human endeavors.  FFS, Mother Teresa surely did something bad/evil at some point in her life.  The sane approach to....literally everything....is to evaluate it in its full measure.  You, on the other hand, are literally espousing the logical fallacy of "if person/endeavor X has ever done a single thing wrong, then he/it should be destroyed."  That is incredibly stupid.

But, it does fit the pattern.  Yet again.....there's literally nothing that Trump and Elon can do that you don't support.  It's amazing, you claim you don't care for them, yet you are their most steadfast defender on this board.  Hell, your statements that you don't care for them have been proven to be a lie, so I don't even need to look back in your deep past to find a lie.  I can find it right here in these threads.

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12 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

ITT people who've never heard of USAID before this week express strong expert opinions on its efficacy and merit.

You are ignoring the people on this board and in this very thread who have direct experience with/knowledge of USAID, or at least pretty strong secondhand knowledge.  This week is not the first that most of us have heard of USAID.

Do you think that, in going after something that is a tiny sliver of our total budget, Elon is 1) actually pursuing a goal of fiscal responsibility, or 2) pursuing a personal agenda/vendetta?  Because the equivalent of this is me declaring that we must get control of our household budget, and me starting by throwing out all of the decorative soaps in the guest bathroom and forbidding the purchase of any future decorative soaps, then strutting around and saying "look at me, the budget slasher!"

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

You are ignoring the people on this board and in this very thread who have direct experience with/knowledge of USAID, or at least pretty strong secondhand knowledge.  This week is not the first that most of us have heard of USAID.

Do you think that, in going after something that is a tiny sliver of our total budget, Elon is 1) actually pursuing a goal of fiscal responsibility, or 2) pursuing a personal agenda/vendetta?  Because the equivalent of this is me declaring that we must get control of our household budget, and me starting by throwing out all of the decorative soaps in the guest bathroom and forbidding the purchase of any future decorative soaps, then strutting around and saying "look at me, the budget slasher!"

Elon can multitask.  $40 billion annually here.  $40 billion there.  It adds up to real money.  Nothing like the $200 billion we've handed over to Ukraine, $100 billion which disappeared like a fart in the wind.

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5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Brisket on board with obfuscating torture training in latin american countries and simultaneously not understanding how USAID as an entity is viewed by others throughout the world is non-shocking. 

Actually, my statement presumed, without questioning, that your allegation is correct.  I am a grown-ass man.  I am aware that every single institution of any real size and duration  will have at least one (usually more) black marks on its record.  And USAID's track record, particularly in the hottest era of the Cold War, includes more than one example of shitty actions.

You have decreed that having any moral black mark merits total destruction.  As in, the total ledger of good and bad is irrelevant.  If there is an entry on the "bad" side of the ledger, it has to go.  I simply noted the folly of such an approach, as your personal ledger - and the ledger of every living human and every human institution -- surely has at least one such entry.  It's a stupid rule, and one that, if you apply it consistently, means that every human and every enterprise must burn.

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7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Brisket on board with obfuscating torture training in latin american countries and simultaneously not understanding how USAID as an entity is viewed by others throughout the world is non-shocking. 

You quite literally had no knowledge of USAID one week ago, so take your pompous self somewhere else.

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8 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

AP interview with the president of Ukraine. 

Not so much. Rather, that's RT's interpretation of his statement that about $100 billion did not flow directly into the Gov's coffers, but instead went to humanitarian aid orgs, and other related entities, including US companies

its funny though, when you google the "loss of 100 million" the only results are RT and other Russian alligned media sources. Then you come here, and its you and  Sack parroting that same line. Curious.

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Since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the U.S. has poured tens of billions of dollars into the country’s attempt to survive. For many American voters and commentators, Ukraine aid headlines may evoke images of planes delivering palettes of cash to Kyiv, but this isn’t how the system works.

In reality, only a small percentage of the overall aid package takes the form of cash transfers to Kyiv; the vast majority goes right back into the U.S. economy through several federal government mechanisms.

One of the main mechanisms through which the U.S. provides security assistance to Ukraine is the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI)—a funding program led by the Department of Defense. Aimed at bolstering Ukraine’s armed forces, USAI provides funds for training and advising of Ukrainian military personnel, as well as for procurement of weapons. Nearly $32 billion has been allocated to USAI in three years of Russia’s all-out war.

The State Department’s Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program is a similar tool, yet its focus is not only on Ukraine but, rather, U.S. foreign policy goals more broadly. FMF helps American allies like Ukraine buy weapons specifically from U.S. manufacturers, supporting U.S. international interests and its military-industrial complex. FMF funding is not transferred to the recipient and is executed by American government agencies. Congress has allocated roughly $6.3 billion to this program for Ukraine security purposes since 2022. 

And then there is the Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA), which allows the president to authorize the provision of weapons or services from Defense Department stockpiles to partners. This mechanism provides almost immediate help to allies in emergencies, with assistance sometimes arriving within days of presidential approval. Between August 2021 and April 2024, the State Department used PDA 44 times, providing Ukraine with military assistance worth $23.8 billion.

The U.S. also sends direct financial assistance to the Ukrainian government through the United States Agency for International Development (USAID). The majority of USAID funds fill up Ukraine’s budget and keep the country’s government running by paying salaries to state employees. A fraction of those funds address humanitarian projects of one sort or another.

The State Department also supports development initiatives in Ukraine through its Economic Support Funds and provides aid to Ukrainian refugees.

Taken together, these tools form the almost continuous flow of security and financial assistance to Ukraine. 

The administration gets money for all these programs mainly through supplemental funding requests to Congress. Since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022, Congress has approved five Ukraine supplemental appropriation acts, worth a total worth of  $174.2 billion. 

But that figure can be misleading. Importantly, every supplemental includes many more dollars than end up directly in Ukraine. Things that also fall under the umbrella of “Ukraine aid” include the financing of increased U.S. military presence in Europe, intelligence operations vis-a-vis Ukraine and Russia, support of European states that have also been affected by Russia’s war, and every other activity in any way related to Russia’s war in Ukraine.

The majority of weapons and munitions the U.S. government has sent to Ukraine are pulled from America’s own stockpiles using presidential drawdowns, since this program allows for the quickest delivery. The supplementals then provide the Pentagon with funding to replenish those stockpiles, which it does primarily through the military contractors that build weapons for the U.S. military.

For example, the fifth supplemental covers the costs of the latest assistance package by giving money to the Pentagon to replenish its inventories of the air defense interceptors and artillery shells provided to Ukraine in April. The supplemental will also cover similar assistance packages this upcoming year. 

The $62 billion package, however, does nothing to lift some of the key limitations placed on the use and supply of certain American weapons to Ukraine.

 

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18 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Not so much. Rather, that's RT's interpretation of his statement that about $100 billion did not flow directly into the Gov's coffers, but instead went to humanitarian aid orgs, and other related entities, including US companies

its funny though, when you google the "loss of 100 million" the only results are RT and other Russian alligned media sources. Then you come here, and its you and  Sack parroting that same line. Curious.

 

It's almost like sack and ana are propagandist pieces of shit or something.

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2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Yeah amazing so many people are distracted by 200+ years of Constitutional order being steamrolled by an unelected billionaire. If GOP doesn’t like it- they’ve got both houses of Congress. 
 

Never mind the costs to privacy, national security and literal human lives. *waves hands* it’s just so unimportant 

But they think this will somehow a) get them a pay raise and b) lower the cost of living.  So fuck all that land of the free rule of law shit.

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