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16 hours ago, sidis said:

serious question for you...i drive around lamar somewhere between 5th and windsor a million times a week and every other car i see on lamar these days is a driverless waymo. they seem to drive around fine. are they more advanced than whatever shit tesla is probably fucking up right now or what? it seems like they have it somewhat figured out...at least for low-speed, non-highway driving.

A human standing by, paying very close attention just as they would if they were driving themselves, with hands ready to take over the wheel at any second. That's Tesla's FSD in a nutshell because muSSk was too cheap to use proven technology like radar and lidar, and even turned those functions off in the early model years when Swasticars that had them already installed.

Oh I should add as @Guadaloopypointed out Swasticar has an internal camera to make sure the driver is paying attention. But it has nothing to do with FSD; it's there entirely to help the Swasticar company fight lawsuits. 

 

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Posted
42 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

 

 

You'll all be shocked to hear that I disagree slightly with Jeff's answer.  The question is too general.

Waymo and Tesla are taking two different approaches.  At the moment, Waymo is focused on an approach that is trying to solve for autonomous driving limited to surface streets in urban areas.  Their solution is only applicable in geo-fenced areas that have been meticulously mapped by LIDAR. Tesla is aiming to build a more generally applicable autonomous driving solution that is not limited to pre-mapped areas.

Waymo is more advanced on the path towards a limited level 4/5 certification.

It's arguable that Waymo is more advanced in its commercial application of its chosen solution.  One could argue that from a revenue standpoint, Tesla is on par with their FSD package purchases and monthly subscriptions.

It's also arguable that Waymo is more advanced in it's practical application.  There are significantly more Tesla FSD vehicles on the road than Waymo vehicles.

And finally, it's arguable that Waymo has a more advanced technical solution at this point.  My FSD Tesla does low speed, non-highway driving right now.  It can also drive on the highway, which Waymo does not.

 

All that said... Musk is running the company into the ground and Tesla's FSD could likely be a casualty of this shitshow. 

 

This is incorrect. Waymo operates on freeways in at least California and Arizona. Google it so I don't have to do it for you. Waymo has a far more comprehensive set of sensors and is WAY ahead of Tesla, which is not even #2 in the AV game.

The difference is that Waymo generally works with regulators to establish agreed-to geofences and parameters that allow safe(r) deployment and development of the AV solution, rather than putting erratic "beta" machines on public roads and selling them as "full" self driving, with untrained drivers at the wheel.

Source: Regulatory lawyer who has spent hundreds of hours on this very issue (not for Waymo, btw. No dog in the fight.).

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Posted
10 minutes ago, choripan said:

This is incorrect. Waymo operates on freeways in at least California and Arizona. Google it so I don't have to do it for you. Waymo has a far more comprehensive set of sensors and is WAY ahead of Tesla, which is not even #2 in the AV game.

The difference is that Waymo generally works with regulators to establish agreed-to geofences and parameters that allow safe(r) deployment and development of the AV solution, rather than putting erratic "beta" machines on public roads and selling them as "full" self driving, with untrained drivers at the wheel.

Source: Regulatory lawyer who has spent hundreds of hours on this very issue (not for Waymo, btw. No dog in the fight.).

I stand corrected on the freeway issue.  Waymo has been testing on freeways in Phoenix since January 2024 and just moved onto LA freeways this January.

I'm curious as to the measure used to state that Waymo is "WAY ahead" of Tesla.

For the bolded, this is continuously referenced as some horrible unchecked danger to the public.  The data do not bear out this argument.

 

Posted
6 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I'm curious as to the measure used to state that Waymo is "WAY ahead" of Tesla.

 


I won’t speak for the person you’re quoting, but I’d guess it has something to do with this:


As of October 2024, there have been hundreds of documented nonfatal incidents involving Autopilot and fifty-one reported fatalities, forty-four of which NHTSA investigations or expert testimony later verified and two that NHTSA’s Office of Defect Investigations verified as happening during the engagement of Full Self-Driving (FSD).”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2025/02/11/tesla-again-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/

 

 

 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:


I won’t speak for the person you’re quoting, but I’d guess it has something to do with this:


As of October 2024, there have been hundreds of documented nonfatal incidents involving Autopilot and fifty-one reported fatalities, forty-four of which NHTSA investigations or expert testimony later verified and two that NHTSA’s Office of Defect Investigations verified as happening during the engagement of Full Self-Driving (FSD).”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2025/02/11/tesla-again-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/

 

 

 

Auto-pilot ≠ FSD. 

Two fatalities have occurred with FSD engaged.  Over three billion miles have been driven with FSD. 

Waymo has had nearly 700 accidents and one fatality with somewhere around 25 million miles driven.

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On 3/11/2025 at 11:21 AM, HenryJames said:

5.0" vs 3.5" vs 3.6".

I'll take Surly circle jerks for $500, Alex.

Also, this supposedly appeared on Cesar Chavez St here in town. 

r/Austin - Seen on E Cesar Chavez

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Posted
32 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

 

Waymo has had nearly 700 accidents and one fatality with somewhere around 25 million miles driven.

Someone debunked this the last time you made the claim so hopefully they're still paying attention to this thread. My memory isn't certain but as I recall Tesla's miles driven are very different from realistic driving. They also game the system.

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39 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Auto-pilot ≠ FSD. 

Two fatalities have occurred with FSD engaged.  Over three billion miles have been driven with FSD

Waymo has had nearly 700 accidents and one fatality with somewhere around 25 million miles driven.

According to whom?

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Someone debunked this the last time you made the claim so hopefully they're still paying attention to this thread. My memory isn't certain but as I recall Tesla's miles driven are very different from realistic driving. They also game the system.

Are you claiming that Musk and his companies bend the truth to serve their agenda even if it puts the public at risk?  Is that what you're claiming?  

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

I'm curious as to the measure used to state that Waymo is "WAY ahead" of Tesla

In the nicest way possible, Waymo IS way ahead of Tesla in every single way possible when it come to robotaxis.

Anyone who says they aren't is either grossly misinformed, willfully ignorant or both.

Pick the measure: safety, rides provided over literally any timeline, robotaxi revenue, area covered over literally any timeline, number of states licensed to run a robotaxi and closeness to level 5.

 

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Posted
17 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Tesla Reported Zero Federal Income Tax on $2 Billion of U.S. Income in 2024

Elon Musk’s company avoided almost all federal income tax on nearly $11 billion of U.S. income over three years

https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-federal-income-tax-in-2024/

 

8 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

Don't worry.  They'll audit the shit out of some small businesses to make up for it.

i've been having an internal debate about whether it's worth filing for people who don't have their taxes automatically deducted. grumble grumble

https://archive.is/mVoDB

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Posted
54 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Auto-pilot ≠ FSD. 

Two fatalities have occurred with FSD engaged.  Over three billion miles have been driven with FSD. 

Waymo has had nearly 700 accidents and one fatality with somewhere around 25 million miles driven.

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

Don't worry.  They'll audit the shit out of some small businesses owned/run by political enemies of the regime to make up for it.

FIF accuracy, because the entire purpose of the Federal Government is now to serve Elon's and Trump's personal whims and emotional outbursts.  It is a fully-owned toy to them, and that's it.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Blotto said:

I'll take Surly circle jerks for $500, Alex.

Also, this supposedly appeared on Cesar Chavez St here in town. 

r/Austin - Seen on E Cesar Chavez

Can confirm as I have taken a picture of said mural.

BUT... anyone know what Guadaloopy looks like because I have a suggestion.

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Posted (edited)
49 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

I chased down that tweet Elon did running interference for Hitler, Mao and Stalin.  It is in fact real.

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-03-13/ty-article/musk-shares-claim-that-stalin-hitler-didnt-murder-millions-public-sector-workers-did/00000195-8ee8-d155-affd-8fec8f8e0000
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Tech billionaire Elon Musk, who serves as an advisor to U.S. President Donald Trump, shared a post on social media platform X on Thursday which said "Stalin, Mao, and Hitler didn't murder millions of people. Their public sector employees did."

The post, originally written by a user named "Alice Smith," was shared by another user named "Rothmos," whose post was then shared by Musk. The post has reached around half a million viewers so far.

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The user "Alice Smith" later wrote: "After the Nuremberg trials, the so-called 'superior orders' defense – 'I was just following orders' – is considered invalid under international law. Individual rather than collective responsibility for your actions is enshrined in law."

In January, Musk said in a speech at a conference of the far-right Alternative for Germany party that there is "frankly too much of a focus on past guilt and we need to move beyond that."

Amid applause from the audience, Musk added, "Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their parents, their great-grandparents."

"It's good to be proud of German culture, German values, and not to lose that in some sort of multiculturalism that dilutes everything," Musk said.

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had earlier come to Musk's defense after he was recorded appearing to give a fascist salute at a rally held after Trump's inauguration.

"Elon Musk is being falsely smeared," Netanyahu wrote in a post on X. "Elon is a great friend of Israel. He visited Israel after the October 7 massacre in which Hamas terrorists committed the worst atrocity against the Jewish people since the Holocaust," the prime minister said.

"He has since repeatedly and forcefully supported Israel's right to defend itself against genocidal terrorists and regimes who seek to annihilate the one and only Jewish state. I thank him for this," Netanyahu added.

Musk responded to the Israeli prime minister's post by writing, "Thank you."

Musk occasionally posts memes and jokes related to Nazis and the Holocaust. He recently mocked his critics in a series of jokes that included wordplay on the names of senior Nazi party officials.

"Don't say Hess to Nazi accusations!" he wrote in one post, adding: "Some people will Goebbels anything down! ... His pronouns would've been He/Himmler!"

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