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So former Waymo head thinks Musk might fake his robotaxi rollout in Austin in a few months.

Former Waymo Head Doesn't Think Tesla Is Close To Ready To Deploy Robotaxis - The Autopian

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If a company were serious about building a safe robotaxi business, the robotaxi wouldn’t look anything like this prototype. A serious robotaxi would demonstrate the primacy of safety; the manufacturer would place sensors in optimal positions—on the roof, as well as on the sides and corners of the vehicle. These sensors would also have cleaning and drying functions—windshield wipers, compressed air nozzles, and so on. A serious robotaxi also wouldn’t have a low-slung coupe body design. This design makes it difficult for people to easily get in and out; not everyone will be able to use these robotaxi vehicles comfortably.

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We’ve wondered about the design of the Cybercab as well, though more about the logic of a two-seater doing taxi duty, logic that, frankly, eludes me.

Krafcik’s criticism and skepticism of Tesla’s robotaxi service, scheduled to be launched in June, is pretty dismissive, with him noting that “There are many ways to fake a robotaxi service,” … and implying that this is, in fact, what Tesla may end up doing. Krafcik mentioned teleoperation, cars that lead or follow, and extremely limited operating domains as ways Tesla could “fake” a robotaxi service, but he also suggested that maybe it just wouldn’t happen at all, and be another missed milestone from Musk.

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  On 3/15/2025 at 12:57 AM, 956 Worldwide said:

This tale contains multitudes.  First, I love that she paid extra for the “Cyberbeast.” 
 

But more I want to know how SHE ended up buying this thing.  Not to be too stereotypical but these things are extremely stupid in a VERY male-brain coded way.  A very specific male brain.  I bet the orders skew 80-20 male. 

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I was thinking 98-2

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  On 3/13/2025 at 3:59 PM, Guadaloopy said:

Auto-pilot ≠ FSD. 

Two fatalities have occurred with FSD engaged.  Over three billion miles have been driven with FSD. 

Waymo has had nearly 700 accidents and one fatality with somewhere around 25 million miles driven.

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A little more info on the Waymo accidents:  https://www.damfirm.com/waymo-accident-statistics.html

Waymo has indeed been in about 700 accidents from 2021-24, but 632 of the 700 accidents involved no injuries.  Waymo was not at fault in many of these accidents.

Only three involved serious injuries and there has been one fatality:

* One in SF involved a Waymo stopped at light.  Another car crossed a double yellow light and crashed into a SUV, which hit the stopped Waymo
* One in LA involved a Waymo following a box truck.  The Waymo had a driver.  The Waymo was hit from behind by another passenger car.  That car may have been changing lanes.
* One in SF involved a Waymo stopped at a light, that proceeded into the intersection on green.  A cross-traffic car ran the red light and crashed into the Waymo and another car.  The red light car hit a total of two cars plus pedestrians.

The fatality involved a Tesla in SF traveling at a reported 98 MPH that hit a Waymo, plus other vehicles.  Everyone but the Tesla was stopped at an intersection.  The Waymo was unoccupied at the time. The person killed was in a Lexus that was hit by the Tesla.  The Tesla had a human driver at the time.

Eventually self-driving cars are going to be much, much safer than humans, either Tesla or Waymo or whatever.  We may already be there. Crashes and injuries and fatalities are going to go way, way down.  DWI is going to go hopefully to zero.  It can't get here fast enough, IMHO.

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  On 3/15/2025 at 3:00 PM, Texas Jeff said:

The fatality involved a Tesla in SF traveling at a reported 98 MPH that hit a Waymo, plus other vehicles.  Everyone but the Tesla was stopped at an intersection.  The Waymo was unoccupied at the time. The person killed was in a Lexus that was hit by the Tesla.  The Tesla had a human driver at the time

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Exactly - the human was at fault, not the perfect FSD. /guadaloopy

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  On 3/15/2025 at 3:00 PM, Texas Jeff said:

Eventually self-driving cars are going to be much, much safer than humans, either Tesla or Waymo or whatever.  We may already be there. Crashes and injuries and fatalities are going to go way, way down.  DWI is going to go hopefully to zero.  It can't get here fast enough, IMHO.

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Maybe Tesla one day but absolutely not with what they have installed so far and probably not without a new CEO. Even muSSk has admitted their existing FSD requires an unspecified hardware upgrade. Which in antithetical to what he's said for at least a decade about Tesla just needing software upgrades, over the air. spinning and huckstering In the same fashion as he did with insisting his build of the cyperpanzer was awesome.  For example he's still refusing to implement lidar, which wasn't all that expensive to begin with but its prices have been further reduced over recent years. https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolekobie/2025/02/05/another-missed-prediction-musk-admits-teslas-need-full-self-driving-upgrades/

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  On 3/15/2025 at 3:00 PM, Texas Jeff said:

A little more info on the Waymo accidents:  https://www.damfirm.com/waymo-accident-statistics.html

Waymo has indeed been in about 700 accidents from 2021-24, but 632 of the 700 accidents involved no injuries.  Waymo was not at fault in many of these accidents.

Only three involved serious injuries and there has been one fatality:

* One in SF involved a Waymo stopped at light.  Another car crossed a double yellow light and crashed into a SUV, which hit the stopped Waymo
* One in LA involved a Waymo following a box truck.  The Waymo had a driver.  The Waymo was hit from behind by another passenger car.  That car may have been changing lanes.
* One in SF involved a Waymo stopped at a light, that proceeded into the intersection on green.  A cross-traffic car ran the red light and crashed into the Waymo and another car.  The red light car hit a total of two cars plus pedestrians.

The fatality involved a Tesla in SF traveling at a reported 98 MPH that hit a Waymo, plus other vehicles.  Everyone but the Tesla was stopped at an intersection.  The Waymo was unoccupied at the time. The person killed was in a Lexus that was hit by the Tesla.  The Tesla had a human driver at the time.

Eventually self-driving cars are going to be much, much safer than humans, either Tesla or Waymo or whatever.  We may already be there. Crashes and injuries and fatalities are going to go way, way down.  DWI is going to go hopefully to zero.  It can't get here fast enough, IMHO.

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Waymo’s not going to fuck you, dude.  
 

J/K… good info.  Thanks for sharing.  

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  On 3/15/2025 at 5:39 PM, elfenix said:

how many cybertrucks have been bought by people intentionally trying to break them?

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He tried to break the dodge ram too. How many car manufacturers make bullshit claims and then piss their pants when they get called on it is probably a better question.

  On 3/15/2025 at 5:41 PM, atomheartbevo said:

A lot.

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  23 hours ago, Chopper said:

Should you buy 20 dozen eggs this month, or a Tesla? Can't wait to see if their price slashing is effective.

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In other words, “we have inventory piling up so fast that we’re ready to lose money on them rather than having them sit on the lot”.

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  3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I don’t disagree with that. Many of us don’t

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Well, you should.  It's a false premise.  A person who is incapable of violence of any sort is by definition "peaceful".  This would include some of those who are incapable of "great violence".

It's also just pandering.

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  3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


I don’t disagree with that. Many of us don’t.
What idiots like Elon don’t realize is that many such people are not on his side.
A toast to Luigi.

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Nah he’s wrong. His cat vs human is dumb because if you get that cat in a bad spot it will do what it can to survive and you better believe that is great violence.

his real mistake is that he thinks weakness means you are hopeless and your not. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug and can save your ass when you need it to. 

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