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11 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

In the raw footage that Rober released in response to criticism, rather than setting the autopilot early in the test which is easily doable, he waits until very late (<5 seconds) to attempt to engage FSD and fails on two attempts to engage before getting it to engage on a third attempt.  There's no reason he couldn't have engaged autopilot much earlier.  It's just really shady and looks like he is intentionally engaging late to confuse and cause errors in the system. https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1901449395327094898

In this tweet, it shows the autopilot disengaging at the last second. There's been a huge disparity of accident reporting where "autopilot/FSD wasn't in charge!", even an NHTSA investigation about it

https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/

They found a number of incidents where autopilot "on average aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact."

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Posted
19 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I mean... y'all knew I wouldn't leave this one alone.  It was just a matter of time before this catfish ate the stinkbait.

I did take my time and watch the entire video and did multiple viewings of all of the actual tests.

You'll all be shocked to hear that I think the video is a bit disingenuous and manipulated to give pre-determined results.  Here are my observations that inform my skepticism:

  • Rober doesn't use any FSD build and limits his testing to EAB and Autopilot.  Yes, the sensor suite and hardware is the same, but the software is vastly different between autopilot and FSD 12+.  Rober pits the latest version of Luminar's system against an older generation Tesla system.

 

  • In each test where the screen is visible (except for the EAB test), there is an out-of-focus warning notification present prior to impacting the dummy or the wall.  Anyone who uses the Tesla TACC, autopilot, or FSD system will tell you that if you have the accelerator pressed and are going above the set speed, you get the following warning:  image.png.d0715c7ff9482cc3ab207878aa4e5f94.png          Even EAB will keep going when the accelerator is pressed, which is what appears to happen in the video.  It won't give the visual warning notification, but it will give an audible alarm which you hear about two seconds prior to impact in the EAB test in the video.  To my eye, it looks like Rober is pressing the accelerator and not actually allowing the driver assist systems to maintain speed on their own.

 

  • In the raw footage that Rober released in response to criticism, rather than setting the autopilot early in the test which is easily doable, he waits until very late (<5 seconds) to attempt to engage FSD and fails on two attempts to engage before getting it to engage on a third attempt.  There's no reason he couldn't have engaged autopilot much earlier.  It's just really shady and looks like he is intentionally engaging late to confuse and cause errors in the system. https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1901449395327094898

 

  • The "fog" test was not fog, but smoke.  LIDAR is significantly degraded in actual fog when water in the air scatters and absorbs the lasers.  Credit to the LIDAR system for "seeing" through the smoke, but that is an extremely uncommon scenario for actual driving (no safe driver proceeds at full speed into an obscuring smoke cloud) that was engineered to give the LIDAR system an easy "win" in this comparison.

 

  • In the "rain" test, which did not simulate a realistic rain scenario that one would actually drive in, the LIDAR system stopped because it read the significant water spray as a solid object, not because it saw the dummy.  Judge's review does not award the point to LIDAR in this comparison.  LIDAR is degraded in rain just like in fog due to attenuation.

 

 

  • The CEO of Luminar (the LIDAR system featured in the video) is present in the video and is a previous collaborator and admitted friend of Rober.

 

For posterity:  Motherfuck Elmo for being a nazi asshole.

You may now proceed with the knob-slobbing gifs.

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Sure, FSD has a more sophisticated software stack, trained on end-to-end neural networks to include city, highway, and parking lot driving scenarios. It’s easy to fire off a post on X claiming the system would have braked before running into Rober’s fake wall. But it also could have made the same error. After all, this is the same company that knew Autopilot had difficulty detecting truck trailers crossing the path of the vehicle and did nothing to fix it.

https://www.theverge.com/tesla/631308/mark-rober-tesla-youtube-autopilot-lidar-fake-claims

Seems like a lot of what you wrote has been debunked or shrugged at. But I'm no rocket scientist.

 
Posted
2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

https://www.theverge.com/tesla/631308/mark-rober-tesla-youtube-autopilot-lidar-fake-claims

Seems like a lot of what you wrote has been debunked or shrugged at. But I'm no rocket scientist.

 

My main concern with the video is the warning notifications that show up on the screen prior to impacts.  Without seeing those in focus and knowing what the warnings were actually for, it sure looks like the accelerator was engaged during some of these tests and overriding the system.

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Today I parked in a lot next to what I assume was a small Tesla sedan.  It had no badge.  It also had no occupants.  I was checking some messages before going into the store I was patronizing and I was stunned to see this car pull out and drive towards the store entrance.  Zero humans.  It actually started to cut off another vehicle (with driver) who honked and stopped.  I'm sorry, but that's just very unnerving and not really ready for prime time.

PS I'm a mechanical engineer who has done a bit of controls work in my career, I'm not a luddite.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Captainant said:

In this tweet, it shows the autopilot disengaging at the last second. There's been a huge disparity of accident reporting where "autopilot/FSD wasn't in charge!", even an NHTSA investigation about it

https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/

They found a number of incidents where autopilot "on average aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact."

Yep... that is a known issue that has been noted by NHTSA.  The fact that autopilot disengaged prior to impact isn't my main concern with that video. 

My biggest concern is with how late he engages autopilot and the fact that it took three attempts to get it to activate.  If I had the time, resources, and talent to paint a Road Runner mural, I would love to recreate this and engage FSD a quarter mile out to see what would happen.  

Posted
20 hours ago, pops said:

Lede burried. We all know Tesla self driving is bullshit. Rober lidar mapping space mountain and haunted mansion with a chest worn device was fucking awesome. 

My kid loves him and we have the crunch labs subscription. I highly recommend it if you have kids in that age range. 

I have nothing to say about musk. Fuck that twat. 

1000% reason I watched that video at first was to see him sneak a lidar sensor into space mountain and possibly get skull fucked by Mickey Mouse in the process (still might). Releasing a video that would piss off both Disney and the Elon/Tesla Stans at the same time was a rather bold choice...

 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Today I parked in a lot next to what I assume was a small Tesla sedan.  It had no badge.  It also had no occupants.  I was checking some messages before going into the store I was patronizing and I was stunned to see this car pull out and drive towards the store entrance.  Zero humans.  It actually started to cut off another vehicle (with driver) who honked and stopped.  I'm sorry, but that's just very unnerving and not really ready for prime time.

PS I'm a mechanical engineer who has done a bit of controls work in my career, I'm not a luddite.

Actual smart summon still sucks.  It still has a lot of restrictions on it and doesn't operate like supervised FSD at all.  Once the "training wheels" come off of it and the full capability of FSD 13 takes over that feature, it will be much better.  People who use that function now in crowded parking lots are assholes. 

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Just now, Guadaloopy said:

Once the "training wheels" come off of it and the full capability of FSD 13 takes over that feature, it will be much better.  

Ive Seen This One GIF by MOODMAN

Sounds quite a bit like the pitches for FSD 1-12, to be honest

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Posted
2 hours ago, tbone_ said:

Why wouldn’t Canada just ban Tesla sales in their country. I would if I were them.

I mean, why not let Tesla keep spending money transporting the, renting office space, paying sales people, and THEN have no one buy them?

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33 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

All the money in the world and spends 22 hours a day retweeting Nazis and this guy

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Hey man, Ian Cheong - noted GamerGate provocateur and DailyCaller writer - was a preferred news source for basically every moment of civil unrest in 2020. Couldn't go a page without him getting linked or sourced in DT. Dude was and is a profilic source of disinformation AND straight-from-russia propaganda 

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3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Hey man, Ian Cheong - noted GamerGate provocateur and DailyCaller writer - was a preferred news source for basically every moment of civil unrest in 2020. Couldn't go a page without him getting linked or sourced in DT. Dude was and is a profilic source of disinformation AND straight-from-russia propaganda 


 

his IMDB page is funny

 

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Actual smart summon still sucks.  It still has a lot of restrictions on it and doesn't operate like supervised FSD at all.  Once the "training wheels" come off of it and the full capability of FSD 13 takes over that feature, it will be much better.  People who use that function now in crowded parking lots are assholes. 

Simple question.  Why does Elon discount LIDAR?  It's a relatively simple solution.  I can answer, because he's a fake ass know-it-all-prick that needs to have his balls roped by South African black people and dragged through a cactus patch.  Repeatedly.  Like for eternity.  Fuck Elon and fuck everyone associated with him.  

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Simple question.  Why does Elon discount LIDAR?  It's a relatively simple solution.

I don't think it is quite that simple of a solution.  I think there are a few contributing factors that possibly answer your question:

  1. Cost. Elon's goal was to rapidly scale an affordable autonomous driving solution.  When the decision was made, LIDAR was still a relatively expensive sensor that significantly cut into that goal.  If it's expensive, it's not really scalable.  The facts have now changed a bit, but Elon is committed for better or worse.
  2. Neural net training.  It's a relatively straightforward process to train a neural net by having it watch a huge amount of video of good drivers and learn from those examples.  The data set for driving with LIDAR is a bit "fuzzier."  The data set isn't nearly as big and it's a bit more abstract on how one could use it to train a neural net.
  3. There were reports that Tesla was having difficulty with its algorithm based FSD model with respect to prioritizing information between radar and visual sensors.  So they punted and went visual only.
  4. LIDAR is most effective in a very well mapped environment where it can compare what its seeing to a recorded baseline.  Musk didn't want that restriction.  He wanted to build a solution that was free from the pre-mapping requirement.

 

I don't think the final jury is in on his decision. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Lurch said:

Trumpkins in a golf group chat.

It’s a fucking cult

They're probably dumb enough to believe the rocket went to the moon and back. Test 'em and report back.

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Posted
37 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Just saw a video where the rescued Astronauts were praising Elon Musk. 

That’s so cool bro. Do you have a link? Where was the video you saw? I love stuff like this. Did they say “thanks Elon Musk for rescuing us?” 

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Posted
21 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

People not realizing he is getting billions from us to do exactly this. 

As opposed to Boeing getting billions of dollars from us to do, exactly not this.

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8 minutes ago, Da Fino said:

That’s so cool bro. Do you have a link? Where was the video you saw? I love stuff like this. Did they say “thanks Elon Musk for rescuing us?” 

The astronaut came up— big guy, tall with huge muscles. And he had tears in his eyes and he said “sir, thank you so much for rescuing us.  Joe Biden could never.”  And I said you better thank Elon too and he said “and Elon is the best, I’m never going to drive anything but a Tesla. He’s found so much corruption and is doing a great job.”

Then I asked him, what if you’re in the space station and it’s depressurizing and it’s going to suck you into the black void. But inside the rescue capsule 10 feet away there’s a shark. 

Would you choose the freezing void or the shark? And I said “gimme the freezing void! I’m not taking the shark in the rescue capsule. Give me the freezing black void.”

And the astronaut said it’s a good question. No one ever asked it before. 

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Shit, the failure was starliner. So actually Boeing. Hard to keep track of which essential "defense industrial base" contractor is shitting the bed at the moment versus the one that is actually delivering results.  

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5.0" vs 3.5" vs 3.6".

Oh Jesus Christ. A 350 is 5.7 liters, a 302 cubic inch engine is 5.0 liters.


Unless for some unknown reason you are talking about the old Chrysler 3.5 engine and the old 3.6 liter GM engines.
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Starliner also returned safely and NASA called off the return even though it was safe. I am very glad the Astronauts are home, but let's not pretend this was the only option. 

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1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

Just saw a video where the rescued Astronauts were praising Elon Musk. 

Has your Cybertruck been delivered yet or did it get caught up in the recent delay?

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https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/tesla-is-dying-and-polestar-wants

 

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Musk is killing Tesla. His lack of integrity, lack of internal consistency, and deeply fascistic leanings are now on full display for the world to see. And the world has responded by violently throwing up in their mouths. Tesla sales in the EU are down 45%, despite the EV market growing 37%. Tesla’s share price has plummeted by 41%, wiping hundreds of billions of dollars from its value. There are no signs that this will end, and JP Morgan is predicting that Tesla’s shares will lose 66% of their value by the end of the year. In fact, Tesla is selling so few vehicles that they are risking their lucrative regulatory emissions credit business, responsible for 30% of their total income! But if Musk is killing Tesla, Polestar wants to deliver the final blow. They are offering Tesla drivers a $20,000 discount for a new Polestar if they trade in their “swasticars.”

 

 

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Yep, Polestar is offering anyone who owns or leases a Tesla $5,000 off a lease on a brand new Polestar 3. Combined with their latest $15,000 Polestar Clean Vehicle Incentive, any Tesla driver can buy a Polestar 3 for a whopping $20,000 off.

So, is that a good deal?

 

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Well, take the Long Range Dual Motor variation of the Polestar 3. This gorgeous EV has a massive 111 kWh battery that gives it a WLTP range of 392 miles and can charge from 10% to 80% in only 32 minutes. It’s also no slouch, able to zip from 0 to 62 mph in just 5 seconds, and reviewers have highlighted that it handles and rides far better than anything Tesla has produced. On top of all of that, it’s super practical, with over 500 litres of cargo space and a massive 2,200 kg (4,850 lbs) towing capacity. Normally, this car retails for $79,400 and is pitched to compete against the new electric Porsche Macan and the Audi A6 Avant e-Tron Performance. In other words, it’s pretty damn premium. But, with Polestar’s incentives, it costs just $59,400 (when leased and a Tesla is traded in).

 

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That is a few hundred dollars less than the brand-new Model Y with the terrible Cybertruck-esque facelift. It only has a 78.1 kWh battery, giving it a 353-mile WLTP range. It can charge from 10% to 80% slightly faster in just 27 minutes, but the range added in that time is less than the Polestar 3. It is somewhat faster with a 4.8-second 0–62 mph, but it reportedly handles much worse, and its ride is more choppy, so in the real world, it won’t be faster. It has slightly more cargo space than the Polestar but a smaller towing capacity of 1,600 kg (3,527 lbs).

So, they seem like close competitors, right? Well, no. The interior, technology, and reliability of the Polestar are in an entirely different league. It is a premium car, and the Tesla now feels more budget than modern budget cars. Not to mention that Tesla has a palpable brand association with Nazis, meaning that even if the EV specs were identical, the Polestar would still utterly dump on the Tesla. For the Model Y to compete with the Polestar 3, it has to dramatically cut its price, which will make Tesla’s sales, cash flow, and stock price issues so much worse.

So, if Musk has taken Tesla out the back to shoot it in the head, Polestar is pulling the trigger.

And it isn’t just Polestar doing this. Take Jaguar’s reinvention; it seemed a little silly at the time, but doesn’t it look attractive now? Buying a new electric Jaguar (when they come out) will be a perfect middle finger to the DEI-destroying Musk. Or what about Hyundai/Kia, BYD, MG, Renault, BMW, VW/Audi/Škoda, Rivian, XPeng, and others who are all slashing prices and launching new, high-quality EVs with better specs than Tesla?

The industry has seen where Tesla is going and is moving to cut its head off. And good — it’s time for Tesla to die. It was once a beacon of hope, but now it is a broken poison chalice.

 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Broke: Massive defense contractors with woke CEOs. 

Bespoke: Massive defensive contractors with Nazi CEOs. 

Fuckin’ Anastasis man. What a dipshit. 

They should all take a massive haircut. Or at least some performance based scale. 

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