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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/21/us/politics/trump-tesla-vandalism-prison.html

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President Trump escalated his threats against people who vandalize Tesla cars, musing in a social media post on Friday that those convicted of damaging or destroying the vehicles — including U.S. citizens — could be sent to notorious prison complexes in El Salvador.

“I look forward to watching the sick terrorist thugs get 20-year jail sentences for what they are doing to Elon Musk and Tesla,” Mr. Trump said, adding, “Perhaps they could serve them in the prisons of El Salvador, which have become so recently famous for such lovely conditions!”

In recent weeks, vandals in several cities have defaced or destroyed Tesla vehicles and dealerships in apparent protest of Mr. Musk’s efforts to drastically reshape the federal government and fire much of the federal work force. No serious injuries have been reported.

Last month, President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador offered to imprison convicted criminals from the United States in his country’s massive prison facilities.

Then this month, the United States deported Venezuelan migrants accused of being gang members to El Salvador. The deportation flights landed in El Salvador despite a federal judge ordering that the planes reverse course and return the detainees to the United States. The judge has vowed to continue investigating the flights and has said the Trump administration has not been cooperative.

Human rights groups say that the crowded Salvadoran prisons are holding pens for tens of thousands of people rounded up in arrests that have ensnared innocent people. The Terrorism Confinement Center is a hulking centerpiece of the system that is big enough to hold up to 40,000 inmates, some as young as 12.

Analysts say it is unlikely that a plan to detain U.S. citizens overseas would hold up in court.

Mr. Trump, who pardoned hundreds of people convicted in connection to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, has recently become fixated on delivering outsized punishments to the Tesla vandals after a journalist told the president at an event promoting Tesla on the White House lawn that “some say they should be labeled domestic terrorists.”

“I will do that,” Mr. Trump replied. “I’ll do that. I’m going to stop them."

No immediate action was taken, but a week later, Pam Bondi, the attorney general, made good on the promise and labeled the attacks as acts of “domestic terrorism.”

Then, on Thursday, Ms. Bondi highlighted weeks-old arrests of individuals charged in some of the arson attacks and suggested that they were tied to a larger plot by people “operating behind the scenes to coordinate and fund these crimes.” Earlier this week, Mr. Trump had suggested, without evidence, in a Fox interview that the vandalism was paid for “by people very highly political on the left” — echoing his claims about other protest movements like Black Lives Matter and the pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses.

Ms. Bondi, who developed a close relationship with Mr. Trump during her two terms as Florida’s attorney general, supported Mr. Trump’s pardon of Jan. 6 rioters, including people who had been convicted of violent crimes and weapons charges. The F.B.I. described those involved in the planning and perpetration of that attack as “domestic violent extremists.”

 

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  On 3/21/2025 at 10:56 PM, royiv said:

This is third world dictator shit.

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ALL of it is.  And this is what our resident Trumpkins like, and cheer.  They have never, ever had a problem with authoritarian banana republic bullshit....their only problem is that they didn't have it working on their behalf.

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It reoccurred to me that I currently own a car and the founder of that car company was, in fact, Hitler.  I'm sure glad I never bought a Tesla.

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  On 3/21/2025 at 11:00 PM, Brisketexan said:
ALL of it is.  And this is what our resident Trumpkins like, and cheer.  They have never, ever had a problem with authoritarian banana republic bullshit....their only problem is that they didn't have it working on their behalf.

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Once you buy a Tesla, you don’t want another car. I know some hardcore Harris people from the Midwest who still drive their Teslas while being proud of how liberal they are. They have no shame in driving their Tesla because they love it and can’t accept their souls have been stolen for convenience. This is how completely fucked we are. 

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  On 3/22/2025 at 1:41 AM, MrBig said:

Once you buy a Tesla, you don’t want another car. I know some hardcore Harris people from the Midwest who still drive their Teslas while being proud of how liberal they are. They have no shame in driving their Tesla because they love it and can’t accept their souls have been stolen for convenience. This is how completely fucked we are. 

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Have driven many, have been around many. This is just nonsense, they don't even execute on the electric car thing better than anyone. Mercedes has a fantastic electric car, so does polestar etc. 

Maybe for a model 3 shitbox vs a base model camry or something, but not for a real car. 

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  On 3/22/2025 at 11:44 AM, 6th Street said:

Carvana just came and hauled my Model S away last week. And they took my neighbor's Model 3 the prior week. This is in CO. So your anecdote is not entirely  accurate.

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Yes. In fact, Dealer trade-ins of Teslas are up 300% https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/general/tesla-trade-ins-are-at-an-all-time-high-edmunds-says/ar-AA1Bp9oQ

Edmunds:  found that March 2025 represents the “highest ever share” on record of Tesla trade-ins toward new or used purchases at dealerships. 

Teslas accounted for 1.4% of the cars traded in through March 15, up nearly 300% from the same month last year, when just 0.4% of trade-ins were Teslas. 

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Edmunds’ report also noted a decline in interest from consumers who are interested in similar cars made by different manufacturers. Previously, a car-shopper interested in Ford’s electric vehicles, for instance, might have considered a similar model produced by Tesla ― but that’s also on the decline.

While many Tesla owners remain fiercely loyal to the brand, a loss of external interest would invariably lead to a smaller customer base, the report warned, though it won’t happen overnight.

“Unlike switching smartphone brands or streaming services, replacing a car is a major financial decision, and even the most disillusioned Tesla owners will likely hold onto their vehicles out of necessity,” Jessica Caldwell, Edmunds’ head of insights, told HuffPost in an email.

 

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A cnbc reporter live-posted Huckster-muSSk's all-hands. It was far more bizarre than the reports.

here's a few but there's about 20 of 'em:

"There's 7,000 satellites orbiting the earth and all they use is solar panels and a battery." Predicts 90% or more of power on earth will be "solar panels with batteries." He says, "My predictions have a pretty good track record."

...If there’s a good or service you want, you can just have it. Everyone in the world will be able to have anything they want." And he's talking about this as "sustainable abundance" enabled by AI and robotics.

"Optimus is learning to walk and catch balls it's pretty cool." In a short time Optimus went from being an idea to being "the most sophisticated humanoid robot on Earth." Tesla has what others don't - "Our robot has a real brain! It's like Wizard of Oz Tin Man..."

"I think there's an opportunity" he said to make a "supersonic" electric VTOL "jet." Maybe we'll do that! (Tantalizing the fanbois.) Brings up "hyperloop" again. Oh boy.

 

 

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  On 3/22/2025 at 11:44 AM, 6th Street said:

Carvana just came and hauled my Model S away last week. And they took my neighbor's Model 3 the prior week. This is in CO. So your anecdote is not entirely  accurate.

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I just don’t get them. The fit, finish, and ride on those things is like dodge level bad. I don’t give a fuck how advanced they feel, if I’m going to buy a POS, I’m not paying base model Porsche money for it.

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  On 3/22/2025 at 12:39 PM, Bateshorn said:

I just don’t get them. The fit, finish, and ride on those things is like dodge level bad. I don’t give a fuck how advanced they feel, if I’m going to buy a POS, I’m not paying base model Porsche money for it.

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You will love and enjoy it when it is mandated you have one. The new People's Car. Except VW's were efficient and fun. This will be more of a Lada type thing. Or a Zastava 

I give you the new SUV model. (Still probably outperforms a CT on icy roads.

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  On 3/22/2025 at 12:55 PM, InkaUtexas said:

You will love and enjoy it when it is mandated you have one. The new People's Car. Except VW's were efficient and fun. This will be more of a Lada type thing. Or a Zastava 

I give you the new SUV model. (Still probably outperforms a CT on icy roads.

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I went back and forth between the laugh and rage reaction.

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  On 3/22/2025 at 12:13 AM, dcbc said:

It reoccurred to me that I currently own a car, and the founder of that car company was, in fact, Hitler.  I'm sure glad I never bought a Tesla.

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What did ‘dolph have to say about the latest quarterly sales figures at the board meeting?

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  On 3/22/2025 at 3:12 PM, bolverk said:
 
In other news, fuck dem vets.
Trump and DOGE Propel V.A. Mental Health System into Turmoil
A chaotic restructuring ordered threatens to degrade services for veterans of wars in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Late in February, as the Trump administration ramped up its quest to transform the federal government, a psychiatrist who treats veterans was directed to her new workstation — and was incredulous.
She was required, under a new return-to-office policy, to conduct virtual psychotherapy with her patients from one of 13 cubicles in a large open office space, the kind of setup used for call centers. Other staff might overhear the sessions, or appear on the patient’s screen as they passed on their way to the bathroom and break room.
The psychiatrist was stunned. Her patients suffered from disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Treating them from her home office, it had taken many months to earn their trust. This new arrangement, she said, violated a core ethical tenet of mental health care: the guarantee of privacy.
When the doctor asked how she was expected to safeguard patient privacy, a supervisor suggested she purchase privacy screens and a white noise machine. “I’m ready to walk away if it comes to it,” she wrote to her manager, in a text message shared with The New York Times. “I get it,” the manager replied. “Many of us are ready to walk away.”
Scenes like this have been unfolding in Veterans Affairs facilities across the country in recent weeks, as therapy and other mental health services have been thrown into turmoil amid the dramatic changes ordered by President Trump and pushed by Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency.
Among the most consequential orders is the requirement that thousands of mental health providers, including many who were hired for fully remote positions, now work full time from federal office space. This is a jarring policy reversal for the V.A., which pioneered the practice of virtual health care two decades ago as a way to reach isolated veterans, long before the pandemic made telehealth the preferred mode of treatment for many Americans.
As the first wave of providers reports to offices where there is simply not enough room to accommodate them, many found no way to ensure patient privacy, health workers said. Some have filed complaints, warning that the arrangement violates ethics regulations and medical privacy laws. At the same time, layoffs of at least 1,900 probationary employees are thinning out already stressed services that assist veterans who are homeless or suicidal.
In more than three dozen interviews, current and recently terminated mental health workers at the V.A. described a period of rapid, chaotic behind-the-scenes change. Many agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity because they want to continue to serve veterans, and feared retribution from the Trump administration.
Clinicians warn that the changes will degrade mental health treatment at the V.A., which already has severe staffing shortages. Some expect to see a mass exodus of sought-after specialists, like psychiatrists and psychologists. They expect wait times to increase, and veterans to eventually seek treatment outside the agency.cont'd:
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Whatever, veterans are suckers and losers. They’re getting what this regime thinks they deserve.
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  On 3/22/2025 at 12:36 PM, Chopper said:

 

 

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I literally watched a comic book movie recently where the over-the-top, evil leader rallied his troops with promising that they would get everything they ever wanted.

there are paths where Elon becomes a Bond villain and some would argue he’s already there. He sees himself as the victim so any response is justified.

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  On 3/22/2025 at 1:41 AM, MrBig said:

Once you buy a Tesla, you don’t want another car. I know some hardcore Harris people from the Midwest who still drive their Teslas while being proud of how liberal they are. They have no shame in driving their Tesla because they love it and can’t accept their souls have been stolen for convenience. This is how completely fucked we are. 

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Disagree. I agree that some may be in this situation but anyone with decent morals is questioning their ownership of a Tesla today.

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yeah, i've actually felt bad for all the Tesla drivers here. there are a TON, Denver had some kind of rebate program years ago and i've never been somewhere with so many EVs! it's actually pretty cool. but knowing Denver went for Harris close to 80% i know most of the Tesla drivers here are not in support of Elon's current warpath.

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i am seeing more and more with stickers and magnets with some variation of the 'bought before i knew he was an asshole/crazy' message. the dealership here is one of the ones that has been attacked. gotta be pretty scary for the local owners. i've only seen a handful of the frankenmobiles.

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  On 3/22/2025 at 3:51 PM, mchookem said:

...i've never been somewhere with so many EVs! it's actually pretty cool. but knowing Denver went for Harris close to 80% i know most of the Tesla drivers here are not in support of Elon's current warpath.

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Is that a reverse "leopard eating faces?"

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