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  On 3/22/2025 at 3:51 PM, mchookem said:

yeah, i've actually felt bad for all the Tesla drivers here. there are a TON, Denver had some kind of rebate program years ago and i've never been somewhere with so many EVs! it's actually pretty cool. but knowing Denver went for Harris close to 80% i know most of the Tesla drivers here are not in support of Elon's current warpath.

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i am seeing more and more with stickers and magnets with some variation of the 'bought before i knew he was an asshole/crazy' message. the dealership here is one of the ones that has been attacked. gotta be pretty scary for the local owners. i've only seen a handful of the frankenmobiles.

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The problem for the good Tesla owners is I can’t see their stickers until I have already brake checked/ refused merge or high beamed  

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  On 3/23/2025 at 4:49 AM, Deej said:

His dad said Elon was friends with their slaves when he was a child.

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Elon talks about saving “human civilization” and not humans or the place we live. His is a grim dystopian techno-futurism where most of humanity dies off or ekes out an existence on a choking earth while a small “elite” serve as indentured servants to an even tinier techno-aristocracy off planet.  He’s not even subtle about believing this. 

The off-planet bit will never really happen but everything he does is aimed at making the first part come true. He’s making it happen.  The dude is an absolute clown but also probably one of the three most important people alive right now.  

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  On 3/23/2025 at 1:56 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

Elon talks about saving “human civilization” and not humans or the place we live. His is a grim dystopian techno-futurism where most of humanity dies off or ekes out an existence on a choking earth while a small “elite” serve as indentured servants to an even tinier techno-aristocracy off planet.  He’s not even subtle about believing this. 

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So, Apartheid but for the modern sensibility 

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  On 2/22/2025 at 3:37 AM, Beau Vine said:

Winning 7 true swing states should be identical odds to flipping a coin and getting 7 tails in a row -- 1 in 128, or 0.78%.  I would guess your argument would be about the definition/measurement of a "swing state."

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  On 2/21/2025 at 7:39 PM, C-Man said:

 

 

I know a few people who are trafficking in these ideas. I'll need to go back and find the source material but the basis of their argument is that the Stop the Steal people illegally got their hands on Dominion voting machines back in 2021 (the Colorado chick went to prison for allowing it). They had plenty of time to reverse engineer them. While the machines are not physically connected to the internet during the election, there is nothing stopping them from having had software installed at some point that allows Starlink to access them (or so this theory says). Starlink had massive rollouts in some crucial counties in the seven swing states. That gets us to the bullet ballots portion of this.

This same piece that I'm going to go look for said Trump won all seven swing states -- the first time any POTUS candidate has done that in four decades. It goes on to say the chances of winning all seven of those states and go ever-so-slightly above the threshold that avoids and automatic hand recount WHILE not surpassing 50% of the popular vote nationwide was on the order of 35 billion to one. (That seems sky high to me but I'm a C-level math student.) This is where the bullet ballots come in -- some key counties in these swing states had an extremely inordinate amount of bullet ballots, which are where the voter votes for POTUS and nothing else. Usually, the number is less than 1% and they were seeing 5-9% in some counties. The final piece to their puzzle was Musk's creating voter rolls with his $1M daily lottery giveaway to get people registered to vote.

Not saying I believe any of the above but it's certainly more evidence than I ever saw Sidney Powell or Mike Lindell present for the 2020 election.

EDIT: here's the link to the piece I read. It's from way back in late November: https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked

 

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  On 2/22/2025 at 4:20 AM, Anastasis said:

Imagine being this stupid. It's all a coin flip. 

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  On 2/22/2025 at 4:34 AM, CTC2 said:

I give you all your points and respect even those I don’t agree with. 
But, the fundamental difference between you and me is that despite agreeing on some things, I fundamentally do not believe that these are good and serious people, they have proven to be untrustworthy, have no respect for the law, have proven to be willing to do anything to further their interests and do not believe that they are acting in the best interest of the American people.  Not saying they are Nazi’s but people who are really dig them. 
So, in my opinion, it really comes down to whether or not you trust these people to act in your best interest or something even approximating that?   If you do, that’s cool. But I’m not going to apologize for thinking that opinion is really fucked up. 

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  On 2/22/2025 at 2:33 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

Elections in swing states aren’t like coin flips, though.  Depending on the definition, they’re just states that have a history in recent years of going either red or blue, and/or where pre-election polling is very tight. 
 

Tight polling is just that, tight polling. It’s not the same as odds of winning. Because of the way it’s done and difficulties of capturing certain voters and the reality of “vibe shift” it’s probably more likely that on Election Day states will disproportionally shift to one candidate rather than having a coin flip distribution. 

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Bumping this sub-thread. Recently came across this video, which I timestamped around the 32 minute mark, where a guy jumps into a powerpoint going into his analysis of Pennsylvania. I'm not sure I'm following it, but I think the gist of it is something called "Turnout Analysis" performed at the precinct level that shows that Allegheny County precincts with a high percentage of RVs showing up to vote (60 percent and higher) were more likely to favor Trump (see the chart at the 45 minute mark). Same for Erie County (50:25 mark) and Philadelphia County (51 minute mark). Is that proof of fraud? They seem to think so, and they think Elon is involved.

I'm not sold, but I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if they turn out to be substantially correct about their suspicions. At the very least, I believe what he has found warrants further and deeper auditing.

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Well, here's the thing.  Marc Elias and the team democracy lawdogs are very good at this and on top of it.

Had there been provable election shenanigans, I fully believe we'd have heard it in the context of a lawsuit by now.

However, and here unfortunately is a sanctions defense for Sidney Powell and their ilk, but challenging an election may well require that you file suit before you have the necessary facts in-hand.

So, even as good as is Elias, there may not have been time to develop this before it was too late.  Or the facts don't exist.

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  On 3/23/2025 at 4:41 PM, TwiceHorn said:

Well, here's the thing.  Marc Elias and the team democracy lawdogs are very good at this and on top of it.

Had there been provable election shenanigans, I fully believe we'd have heard it in the context of a lawsuit by now.

However, and here unfortunately is a sanctions defense for Sidney Powell and their ilk, but challenging an election may well require that you file suit before you have the necessary facts in-hand.

So, even as good as is Elias, there may not have been time to develop this before it was too late.  Or the facts don't exist.

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On the other hand, Elias might be rhetorically boxed in by some of the arguments he had to make against the GOP's previous claims of election fraud. It's easy to imagine he would be fearful of being called out for hypocrisy and motivated not to pursue certain strategies. I have no doubt he and his team know what they're doing though.

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  On 3/23/2025 at 4:41 PM, TwiceHorn said:

Well, here's the thing.  Marc Elias and the team democracy lawdogs are very good at this and on top of it.

Had there been provable election shenanigans, I fully believe we'd have heard it in the context of a lawsuit by now.

However, and here unfortunately is a sanctions defense for Sidney Powell and their ilk, but challenging an election may well require that you file suit before you have the necessary facts in-hand.

So, even as good as is Elias, there may not have been time to develop this before it was too late.  Or the facts don't exist.

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If evidence of these types of things are uncovered once it is too late for legal action, investigative journalists at the times or post would vet and bring to light.  

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  On 3/23/2025 at 5:30 PM, GW Hayduke said:

If evidence of these types of things are uncovered once it is too late for legal action, investigative journalists at the times or post would vet and bring to light.  

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Correct, if an election was discovered to be stolen after the stealer took office really the best course of action would be a Watergate style investigation that pushes Congress (I know I know) from there.  It's hard to take this seriously (just like it was hard to take the last one seriously) when the stories only come from fringy places.  Mainstream journalism may be very diminished from what it was in the 70s but if any of this stuff had real teeth there would be some young Woodward and Bernstein on it at some mainstream publication.  Bezos doesn't own them all 😎

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  On 3/23/2025 at 5:57 PM, Surly Bevo said:

Correct, if an election was discovered to be stolen after the stealer took office really the best course of action would be a Watergate style investigation that pushes Congress (I know I know) from there.  It's hard to take this seriously (just like it was hard to take the last one seriously) when the stories only come from fringy places.  Mainstream journalism may be very diminished from what it was in the 70s but if any of this stuff had real teeth there would be some young Woodward and Bernstein on it at some mainstream publication.  Bezos doesn't own them all 😎

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I agree with this. I approach claims from fringe outlets with skepticism, but I will say this guy so far doesn't give off Cyber Ninja or Mike Pillow vibes. I would prefer if he didn't sandwich his findings between news clips about bomb threats to polling places.

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  On 3/23/2025 at 1:56 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

Elon talks about saving “human civilization” and not humans or the place we live. His is a grim dystopian techno-futurism where most of humanity dies off or ekes out an existence on a choking earth while a small “elite” serve as indentured servants to an even tinier techno-aristocracy off planet.  He’s not even subtle about believing this. 

The off-planet bit will never really happen but everything he does is aimed at making the first part come true. He’s making it happen.  The dude is an absolute clown but also probably one of the three most important people alive right now.  

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sooooo ... elysium

(directed by south african canuck neill bloomkamp, maybe he was trying to warn us what his fellow countrymen were up to)

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  On 3/23/2025 at 5:08 PM, chainsaw said:

On the other hand, Elias might be rhetorically boxed in by some of the arguments he had to make against the GOP's previous claims of election fraud. It's easy to imagine he would be fearful of being called out for hypocrisy and motivated not to pursue certain strategies. I have no doubt he and his team know what they're doing though.

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Well, I wouldn't expect Elias to take/prosecute a case with as shitty evidence (I.e. none) as Trumpco did.  And, arguments regarding a lack of evidence are pretty routine and expected.  You wouldn't normally get called on the carpet for switching sides on that one.

Long-story short, I'm not sure these rumors have any credibility, or we would have seen something from Elias, or, if too-late-developing, from media.

It's not as rampant as the right wing, but there are still a goodly number of leftish conspiracy theory and rumor-mill sources.

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Posted
  On 3/24/2025 at 1:13 PM, immamac said:

He legitimately got the Hitler haircut? I thought that was just a meme. 

I'm in the bill burr camp, fuck these nerds. No one should be afraid of any of their shit. 

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Except musks bodyguards have been deputized as US Marshalls and have a State license for violence. So aside from his personal police force and ketamine melted brain he's harmless

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  On 3/24/2025 at 1:32 PM, Captainant said:

Except musks bodyguards have been deputized as US Marshalls and have a State license for violence. So aside from his personal police force and ketamine melted brain he's harmless

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They wouldn't do shit. Everyone knows it and just wants to pretend otherwise. 

Could you imagine this shitstorm of a US Marshall executing someone for refusing to let musk ruin a government and congressionally mandated program/organization?

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  On 3/24/2025 at 1:42 PM, immamac said:

Could you imagine this shitstorm of a US Marshall executing someone for refusing to let musk ruin a government and congressionally mandated program/organization?

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Like USIP, which is funded via legislation and got shut down by elons goons last week? 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/us-institute-peace-sues-block-doge-takeover-force-rcna197036

Yeah that would really kick off a shit storm. Judges will get mad at them and everything and then nothing is going to happen. And anyone who thinks that's a constitutional crisis gets labeled with "trump dErAnGeMeNt SyNdRoMe" by people who are oddly fixated on pedophiles.

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  On 3/24/2025 at 1:47 PM, Captainant said:

Like USIP, which is funded via legislation and got shut down by elons goons last week? 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/us-institute-peace-sues-block-doge-takeover-force-rcna197036

Yeah that would really kick off a shit storm. Judges will get mad at them and everything and then nothing is going to happen. And anyone who thinks that's a constitutional crisis gets labeled with "trump dErAnGeMeNt SyNdRoMe" by people who are oddly fixated on pedophiles.

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This is letting the nerd bully you with his goons behind him. No one wants to get jumped by the goons, but as soon as that happens the nerd and his goons become instantly persona non grata. This is all posturing nonsense and relying on the "guardrails" is an obvious failing tactic that will likely lead to a much larger mess than if they just said fuck off and meant it. 

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