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A compliant tech press that until recently thought their jobs were more PR than journalism and happened to be looking to anoint the next Genius after Jobs died probably isn't THE explanation for Elon, but it's certainly part of the explanation.

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

It's easy to sell stuff/raise money when you just fucking lie about it.

Elon Musk has overpromised and underdelivered throughout his entire career and he's always been in a position to capitalize based on hype - his early money came in the form of acquisitions when he was barely involved as anything other than a hype man (in paypal's case he was just the largest shareholder during acquisition as he was fired by the board for being a moron). 

Tesla he bought into and latched onto the "future" of EV, stock trades at an insane multiple and he funded it using clever tactics with government funding and public stock fundraising. Tesla was (and still may be) unprofitable to the point of insolvency without government subsidies, grants and assistance. 

SpaceX is more of the same, everything after that is just late stage the same thing. 

Literally everything he's created that's the case. He's the money, the founders are technical experts. They create things, then Musk gets envious they get credit for creating things, then Musk pushes or buys them out, then Musk gets credit for inventing it and gets named as the inventor or founder.

It's happened everywhere, including with Space X, but Gwynne Shotwell was hire number 11 so not a founder and she's really fucking good at what she does. Eventually she will get pushed out too whenever he has to leave TSLA.

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, I have figured out why Trump has had some success as a real estate developer: it's all hucksterism, at which Trump is satanically gifted.  His general business acumen, though, is obviously lacking.

Anyone have a "uniform field theory" as to why Musk has experienced the success that he's had?

 

Hucksterism. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

orly????

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She's the best in the business at what she does, probably the only person alive Elon can't fire. There are many factors going into why Starship is a failure.

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

She's the best in the business at what she does, 

What makes you say that?  She's obviously intelligent but nothing about her education or career makes me think she's as good as it gets.

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28 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What makes you say that?  She's obviously intelligent but nothing about her education or career makes me think she's as good as it gets.

It's all inside baseball but I know a fair number of people in the industry (at Blue Origin, SpaceX, and JPL) and every single one of them speaks extremely highly of her engineering and organizational leadership acumen. The people I know at Blue still (I was actually talking to one of them about this a few days ago) lament that Bezos was unable to poach her from SpaceX, and he tried very hard.

A direct, verbatim quote from one of my friends at SpaceX (chief engineer level, though technically SpaceX doesn't have that title) that I've referenced here multiple times is "She's the only person alive that can tell Elon no to his face and that he can't fire." She's probably his biggest hiring win, ever, SpaceX likely wouldn't be what it is today without her, and that's the last time you'll ever hear me sing the praises of a C-suiter.

That said, there are some recent rumblings that the relationship has become strained due to Elon's increased insanity and certain corners they are being forced to cut in the design and testing stages (I don't have any details for that, sorry).

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3 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

That said, there are some recent rumblings that the relationship has become strained due to Elon's increased insanity and certain corners they are being forced to cut in the design and testing stages (I don't have any details for that, sorry).

She should tell him no to his face.  Not like he could fire her or anything.

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6 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I don't give a shit.  If she's untouchable but concerned about cutting corners then she shouldn't be cutting corners. 

Yeah I guess the point I was trying to get across is she has been untouchable for a long time but maybe things are shifting as Elon becomes more and more unhinged, and perhaps he is interfering to a degree that she's unable to control now.

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18 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah I guess the point I was trying to get across is she has been untouchable for a long time but maybe things are shifting as Elon becomes more and more unhinged, and perhaps he is interfering to a degree that she's unable to control now.

No wai!

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah I guess the point I was trying to get across is she has been untouchable for a long time but maybe things are shifting as Elon becomes more and more unhinged, and perhaps he is interfering to a degree that she's unable to control now.

Everything you have said, plus what others I know have said (who are also in the industry and/or worked for SpaceX), makes me believe that she would not have skipped over building out the proper infrastructure that saw some of the test launches fucking up the launch pad and sending debris over the nearby areas.  Basically Musk was responsible for pushing that forward - the rocket was ready, and he was going to do it regardless if the launch facilities weren't.

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9 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Lets take a break from sucking Gwynne Shotwell's dick and remind ourselves that she willingly works for Elon Musk. 

 

 

She also deserves criticism and some percentage of the blame for the awful handling of sexism, sexual assault/harassment, etc. at SpaceX. She's not a saint, she's just objectively a rockstar engineer, which was the original point. From a technical competency standpoint, she's everything Elon Musk wishes he could be, and she's a woman so I'm sure that's why she may be getting overruled by him lately.

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

She also deserves criticism and some percentage of the blame for the awful handling of sexism, sexual assault/harassment, etc. at SpaceX. She's not a saint, she's just objectively a rockstar engineer, which was the original point. From a technical competency standpoint, she's everything Elon Musk wishes he could be, and she's a woman so I'm sure that's why she may be getting overruled by him lately.

Ackshually probably engineering MANAGER.  There is a difference.  That she's a degreed engineer probably helps.

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7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ackshually probably engineering MANAGER.  There is a difference.  That she's a degreed engineer probably helps.

Lol buddy trust me you don't have to explain the difference to me, I've seen plenty of both.

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

I think the bullying is starting to wear him down. I'm concerned he's going to overcorrect and return to wokeness, delivering a sort of killshot to the appeal of progressive values.

Nah, other than when he's alone on an airplane trying to game, he's surrounded by guys like this

CDN media

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Posted (edited)
13 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I think the bullying is starting to wear him down. I'm concerned he's going to overcorrect and return to wokeness, delivering a sort of killshot to the appeal of progressive values.

 

I don't see it happening.The guy has always been this asshole, we just didn't see it. So I finished reading this.

 

On 4/8/2025 at 9:35 AM, Captain Ron said:

I'm currently reading Breaking Twitter. It's kind of like a short oral history of Twitter around the time when Elon buys it. It starts 2 years prior and I'm assuming its maybe the 6 months after. Musk bought it the end of Oct 2022 and the book came out in Nov 2023. It's a fun and silly read, it really shows the sausage making of how Elon fucked things up. Dude is an idiot.

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The basic gist I finally came away with is that his biggest mistake was buying something as public facing as Twitter - and by that I mean their day to days. Because he was able to do stuff at SpaceX and Tesla through force of will and being an asshole because it was behind closed doors. Social media and Twitter isn't like that. He was on very public display being the top dog at Twitter. And the JUST DO IT force of will he exerted at Tesla and SpaceX, behind closed doors worked. Twitter - just makes him an asshole.

 

What this book really showed me? He shouldn't run a fucking lemonade stand, much less be a CEO. AND MUCH LESS be a CEO of however many companies he is the CEO of. The guy is a fucking idiot. Oh and the book end with him naming Yaccarino as CEO.

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Good news for @Guadaloopy - you may finally get that feature you paid 5 figures for years ago

Financial Times: Musk’s Doge fired self-drive car safety experts at agency that regulates Tesla

Maybe don't use it in a neighborhood though, unless your neighbors kids are annoying

edit: here's an archive.is link to get past the paywall

 

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54 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Good news for @Guadaloopy - you may finally get that feature you paid 5 figures for years ago

Financial Times: Musk’s Doge fired self-drive car safety experts at agency that regulates Tesla

Maybe don't use it in a neighborhood though, unless your neighbors kids are annoying

edit: here's an archive.is link to get past the paywall

Bbbbutt we aren't living in an oligarchy!

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56 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Good news for @Guadaloopy - you may finally get that feature you paid 5 figures for years ago

Financial Times: Musk’s Doge fired self-drive car safety experts at agency that regulates Tesla

Maybe don't use it in a neighborhood though, unless your neighbors kids are annoying

edit: here's an archive.is link to get past the paywall

 


My premonition of getting plowed over by a Cybertruck while walking on the sidewalk is nearer. 

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Elon Musk’s attorney running to succeed Paxton as Texas attorney general | KXAN Austin

Tech billionaire Elon Musk’s attorney John Bash is running to succeed Ken Paxton (R) as Texas’s attorney general, becoming the first candidate to throw his hat in the statewide race. 

Bash, who is a partner at Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan LLP, said he is running because the Texas attorney general’s office is at the “forefront of all the critical legal issues facing the country, and that office should be led by the strongest possible attorney – one who is battle-tested and will be ready on Day 1.” 

“I have been the U.S. Attorney under the first Trump Administration; I clerked for Justices Scalia and Kavanaugh; I’ve handled hundreds of cases before the US Supreme Court; and I’ve represented clients facing the toughest legal challenges,” Bash said in a statement to The Hill on Wednesday. 

Paxton announced on Tuesday that he will run for Senate, challenging incumbent Republican Sen. John Cornyn (Texas) after signaling his willingness to primary the four-term senator for some time.

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Bash, who was the U.S. Attorney in the Western District of Texas during Trump’s first term, is representing Musk, President Trump’s influential advisor, in a Texas defamation case. 

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That defamation case? 

Elon Musk facing defamation lawsuit in Texas over posts that falsely identified man in protest | The Hill

A California man who says he was harassed after Elon Musk amplified posts on his social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter, that falsely placed the man at a confrontation involving far-right protesters sued the billionaire for defamation in a lawsuit filed Monday.

Benjamin Brody, 22, is represented by Mark Bankston, a Texas attorney who won a defamation case last year against conspiracy theorist Alex Jones in a lawsuit brought by families of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting. Brody is seeking a jury trial in Austin, Texas, and unspecified damages of at least $1 million.

Attorneys for Musk did not immediately respond to requests for comment left through a spokesperson.

In June, video posted to X showed a confrontation involving protesters near a Pride festival in Oregon. Some of those involved wore the same colors of the Proud Boys extremist group, according to The Oregonian. On X, some users falsely identified one of the participants as Brody, highlighting his post-college plans to work for the government to spread baseless assertions that federal agents were involved.

The lawsuit includes screenshots of Musk engaging with users spreading the posts involving Brody, including one in which Musk described it as a “probable false flag situation.” Brody, a recent college graduate who said he was in California when the event happened, came under harassment because of Musk’s reach, according to the lawsuit.

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So imagine if Musk gets his hooks into the Texas AG's office.

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

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Elon Musk’s attorney running to succeed Paxton as Texas attorney general | KXAN Austin

Tech billionaire Elon Musk’s attorney John Bash is running to succeed Ken Paxton (R) as Texas’s attorney general, becoming the first candidate to throw his hat in the statewide race. 

Bash, who is a partner at Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan LLP, said he is running because the Texas attorney general’s office is at the “forefront of all the critical legal issues facing the country, and that office should be led by the strongest possible attorney – one who is battle-tested and will be ready on Day 1.” 

“I have been the U.S. Attorney under the first Trump Administration; I clerked for Justices Scalia and Kavanaugh; I’ve handled hundreds of cases before the US Supreme Court; and I’ve represented clients facing the toughest legal challenges,” Bash said in a statement to The Hill on Wednesday. 

Paxton announced on Tuesday that he will run for Senate, challenging incumbent Republican Sen. John Cornyn (Texas) after signaling his willingness to primary the four-term senator for some time.

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Bash, who was the U.S. Attorney in the Western District of Texas during Trump’s first term, is representing Musk, President Trump’s influential advisor, in a Texas defamation case. 

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That defamation case? 

Elon Musk facing defamation lawsuit in Texas over posts that falsely identified man in protest | The Hill

A California man who says he was harassed after Elon Musk amplified posts on his social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter, that falsely placed the man at a confrontation involving far-right protesters sued the billionaire for defamation in a lawsuit filed Monday.

Benjamin Brody, 22, is represented by Mark Bankston, a Texas attorney who won a defamation case last year against conspiracy theorist Alex Jones in a lawsuit brought by families of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting. Brody is seeking a jury trial in Austin, Texas, and unspecified damages of at least $1 million.

Attorneys for Musk did not immediately respond to requests for comment left through a spokesperson.

In June, video posted to X showed a confrontation involving protesters near a Pride festival in Oregon. Some of those involved wore the same colors of the Proud Boys extremist group, according to The Oregonian. On X, some users falsely identified one of the participants as Brody, highlighting his post-college plans to work for the government to spread baseless assertions that federal agents were involved.

The lawsuit includes screenshots of Musk engaging with users spreading the posts involving Brody, including one in which Musk described it as a “probable false flag situation.” Brody, a recent college graduate who said he was in California when the event happened, came under harassment because of Musk’s reach, according to the lawsuit.

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So imagine if Musk gets his hooks into the Texas AG's office.

Bryan Cranston Reaction GIF

 

Running against Paxton? That doesn't really make much sense financially. I'm pretty sure that paying off Paxton is pretty much cheaper and easier than running against Paxton.

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