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6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Did you even read what I posted? You're not accurately describing what happened. If you're renting someone else's servers you're bound by their policies. Parler made a point to ignore those policies and their CEO said they had no intent to comply moving forwards. 

This is a weak #bothsides. Attacking both chambers of Congress to intentionally disrupt the execution of constitutionally mandated duties isn't in the same plane of existence as the police brutality riots.

You should actually read the reasoning and not just grievance post.

I'm also not aware of a bunch of "Hey lets do arson!" posts on Facebook. It's certainly possible I missed them, though.

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4 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

The real pressing question here is the name of the lovely lady in Longhornlove's avatar.

looks to me to be lucy pinder. 

 

3 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Nope.

how long is it from 2/21/22 to 4/25/22 in your world since it is not weeks or months?

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

So uh, just no acknowledgement that your post was factually wrong?

If there was a waiting list and it wasn't available to all until migration to the current web based servicer and still restricted to US and Canada. If that makes my post factually wrong I guess I can live with that. So be it.

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14 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

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So AWS is a content editor for social media platforms? That certainly has issues attached with it.

No, their boilerplate AUP that every customer is subject to specifically prohibits calls to violence and encouragements of violence. It's not specific to social media platforms. Plus, AWS had been sending abuse notifications to parler for more than a month - which all went unreplied to. It wasn't a general "we have bad feelings about your site". They had 98 specific examples of material hosted by parler than encouraged and incited violence, and parlers CEO said he didn't think it was his job to moderate, despite building and enabling the site. Buzzfeed News had some good reporting as well, as well as some of the content that AWS specifically flagged (in spoiler below)

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You are CR'ing and lying when you describe AWS's actions as being a content editor. If parler didn't like AWS's policies, they shouldn't have decided to build their business on the platform.

EDIT: AWS also specifically prohibits hackers or spammers from using their platform. Should they also be compelled to render services to malicious actors?

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3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

No, their boilerplate AUP that every customer is subject to specifically prohibits calls to violence and encouragements of violence. It's not specific to social media platforms. Plus, AWS had been sending abuse notifications to parler for more than a month - which all went unreplied to. It wasn't a general "we have bad feelings about your site". They had 98 specific examples of material hosted by parler than encouraged and incited violence, and parlers CEO said he didn't think it was his job to moderate, despite building and enabling the site. Buzzfeed News had some good reporting as well, as well as some of the content that AWS specifically flagged (in spoiler below)

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You are CR'ing and lying when you describe AWS's actions as being a content editor. If parler didn't like AWS's policies, they shouldn't have decided to build their business on the platform.

It shouldn't have been up to AWS to pull that off. Some of that is excessive and shouldn't be allowed. Having said that, there is way worse available on the internet. We don't live in a perfect world, I get it, there needs to be a line drawn somewhere not sure how to accomplish that. Calling a man a woman when the "woman " is a biological man certainly doesn't cross the line in my book but whatever. 

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It shouldn't have been up to AWS to pull that off. Some of that is excessive and shouldn't be allowed. Having said that, there is way worse available on the internet. We don't live in a perfect world, I get it, there needs to be a line drawn somewhere not sure how to accomplish that. Calling a man a woman when the "woman " is a biological man certainly doesn't cross the line in my book but whatever. 

So in other words, you're arguing that it shouldn't be up to AWS for how they operate the hardware they own and paid for, and should be compelled to offer services with no recourse if a customer acts maliciously?

The standard isn't "well other people are worse than me..." That's some toddler shit. No duh there's worse content out on the internet. It's not AWS's job to police the entire internet - just their own servers that they're powering, maintaining, and administering. Which is where parler chose to run their business.

It's not hard to avoid running on AWS or cloud providers. It's just more work and takes longer to build. Surly doesn't run on the cloud.

Parler wasn't scrubbed out of existence, they got evicted from their rent house. 

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54 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So, as I noted, moderation is incredibly difficult to get exactly right when you're dealing with literally millions of posts a day and limited human beings to respond for requests.  If it is as you say, then FB got it wrong, because FB DOES have such a policy (in fact, its policy against such things often catches things that are obviously not pornographic, like a glimpse of a nipple while a woman is breastfeeding).  That didn't happen in the case you are suggesting because FB actually allows child pornography -- it happened because the moderation game is overwhelming and imperfect.  You're making my arguments for me.  We can all come up with plenty of examples -- and because this is the DT, stick with entirely apolitical examples -- where we think moderation was inconsistent, unduly harsh, or alternatively unduly lax, etc.  It happens all the time, every day.  Because FB, Twitter, etc., aren't going to hire 10,000 people (each of whom is human, and may make a different judgment call) to respond to all content complaints.

When the 2.5 million tesla vehicles become self driving, hes gonna have 2.5 million people, including some ai robots, all with free volunteer time to sift through twitter for illegal porn

 

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2 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

Funny story, some how a video popped up on my FB feed of what was obviously 2 minors having sex in public. I reported the post and got a reply that they saw nothing wrong with the post to censor it. Go figure.

If "silence if violence" seems like actual death threats might be out of bounds but alas ...

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22 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

elon has 2 revolutionary companies in spacex and Tesla, and he wants to screw around with Twitter? Why not buy an airline while you’re at it.

even if he somehow makes Twitter work, why?

I don't see how he's going to make twitter "work" when he's really only out to make it work for him.  I can think of a lot of scenarios where he drives a shit-ton of people away in an effort to make it "work" for a small number of people, because as much as people bitch about the glacial pace of changes/upgrades to twitter, there's a reason why they can be slow.  For better or for worse, too many people rely on it as a platform integrated into their workflow, whereas Elon sees it as a place to shitpost.  

And given how he likes to sit around on twitter and take potshots at other car companies, as well as block critics of Tesla, etc., what happens when there's some recall/scandal/whatever involving Tesla cars, and #TeslaAutopilotCrashSchoolBus is trending, and Elon is sitting there with the ban hammer button?

Edit: Seems like it would have been a better use of money to lay the groundwork for his moon base, or maybe some other unique technology, not fucking social media.

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3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don't see how he's going to make twitter "work" when he's really only out to make it work for him.  I can think of a lot of scenarios where he drives a shit-ton of people away in an effort to make it "work" for a small number of people, because as much as people bitch about the glacial pace of changes/upgrades to twitter, there's a reason why they can be slow.  For better or for worse, too many people rely on it as a platform integrated into their workflow, whereas Elon sees it as a place to shitpost.  

And given how he likes to sit around on twitter and take potshots at other car companies, as well as block critics of Tesla, etc., what happens when there's some recall/scandal/whatever involving Tesla cars, and #TeslaAutopilotCrashSchoolBus is trending, and Elon is sitting there with the ban hammer button?

The same thing that happens when the Washington Post has a story that’s critical of Amazon or Bezos?  Or any of the other newspapers or media properties owned and controlled by billionaires?  We aren’t exactly moving into uncharted territory here. 

We should all be so lucky as to be able to own the place we shit post at. I feel like most of us wouldn’t spend $43 billion for the privilege but the rich are different from you and me. 

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34 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

The same thing that happens when the Washington Post has a story that’s critical of Amazon or Bezos?  Or any of the other newspapers or media properties owned and controlled by billionaires?  We aren’t exactly moving into uncharted territory here. 

This is the guy who, earlier today, said he hopes his worst critics stick around on twitter, and yet he's thin-skinned enough to block people who call him out when he does something stupid that is clearly in the wrong.

And you and I and tens of millions of other people are not writing articles for the Washington Post, but tens of millions are constantly writing stuff on twitter. Like I said, just wait for the first major Tesla problem under his ownership of twitter.  I would be happy to be proven wrong, but I could see him saying that something isn't a problem and start fucking with people on twitter who think it is.

And the flood of misinformation is bad enough on twitter here in 2022, but it feels like he's going to truly throw the floodgates open, and that would drive a lot of people away,  while bringing in even more bots.

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4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If Elon allows trump back, truth social is dead.

well, it’s already dead but proverbial nail in the coffin.

Truth social is built on Mastodon, and it should have only taken a few months to get it up and running, not this strung-out process.

So yeah, it was stillborn.

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10 minutes ago, Deej said:

I'm all for whatever kills Twitter.

It'll just be replaced by something else.  There's plenty of social media platform wannabes that are constantly starting up and then fading away - some are not just quick money grabs either, but people who really want to build The Next Big thing, and there's plenty of open-source media platforms that are just waiting to be reshaped into something that could replace the existing big platforms.

I kind of miss the old BBS and usenet days from the late 80s and early 90s, although Surly handles the BBS part and reddit handles the usenet part. Having watched AOL, CompuServe, GeoCities, MySpace, and plenty of other social media platforms (even if they weren't called that back then) rise up and then self-destruct, it's just a matter of time until the existing big platforms lose some major luster.

Although twitter/Facebook, and even spinoffs like Instagram, probably have a decent amount of staying power (assuming Musk doesn't open the floodgates and let twitter be overrun with bots) simply because they hit some kind of financial critical mass that MySpace/GeoCities/etc. were never quite able to reach.  

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