Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

1 minute ago, WBT said:

Why?  Hypothetically, if he can demonstrate to ad-buyers that previously only 10% of the clicks they were buying came from actual people, shouldn't he be able to charge 10x per click after getting rid of the bots?

[TXSG8R 3362]

3 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Its funny that fringe accounts being banned is good for business but bots driving people to fringe content is also good for business. 

Fringe accounts being banned is good for avoiding government intervention, not business. Twitter and most social media companies do just enough to keep the government from stepping in.

[Longhornlove 4835]

1 minute ago, TXSG8R said:

[wildcat09 29355]

3 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Fringe accounts being banned is good for avoiding government intervention, not business. Twitter and most social media companies do just enough to keep the government from stepping in.

It's also good for maintaining user base. Most people don't want fringe lunatics harassing them all the time. 

[52-80 19191]

For people not keeping track, I have not once argued for the return of certain peoples or parties -- 95% of my posts are around the financial interests of the transaction.

I will however point out the contradiction that (1) bots amplifying fringe content boosts traffic, but (2) fringe contents and accounts themselves suppress traffic. 

#sensiblechuckle

[goatsaag 279]

9 minutes ago, WBT said:

Why?  Hypothetically, if he can demonstrate to ad-buyers that previously only 10% of the clicks they were buying came from actual people, shouldn't he be able to charge 10x per click after getting rid of the bots?

100% this. It will just make ads relatively more expensive compared to what they were before which is fine because they also will be generating more real value.

[TXSG8R 3362]

3 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

For people not keeping track, I have not once argued for the return of certain peoples or parties -- 95% of my posts are around the financial interests of the transaction.

I will however point out the contradiction that (1) bots amplifying fringe content boosts traffic, but (2) fringe contents and accounts themselves suppress traffic. 

#sensiblechuckle

You  she said this a couple of different ways and I still don’t get it. Fringe content and accounts are definitely part of the algorithm.  They definitely drive traffic, they don’t suppress it. Fringe content gets amplified by bots, which gets amplified by the algorithm, which increases their reach, which generates more traffic, so the algorithm favors it. It’s the hot take model writ large. A random pic of a pie isn’t going to move the needle. Someone saying fuck politician X will, on both sides, which is ideal for the algorithm. They want people engaging for and against topics, because that spurs more and more engagement. 

[AeroHorn 753]

2 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

10 IF TWEET =BOT THEN GOTO 30

20 POST TWEET

30 DON'T POST TWEET

40 END

 

Fixed it. Pay me, Elon.

you need to add "GOTO 40" between 20 and 30 lines, otherwise either the program crashes because it can't find an unposted tweet or the tweet gets removed that was just posted. 

 

Regarding monetization, Twitter can follow LinkedIn model. There is high confidence that anyone there is a real person and that real data gets monetized nicely by offering services to hiring companies, etc. If Elon can get even something similar by getting rid of bots and making people real, there are possibilities to monetize besides just ads, while leaving room for those who don't want to pay. If this succeeds, those free people will be gradually restricted, similar to what LinkedIn does by hiding profiles, connected networks, etc.

[wildcat09 29355]

19 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

For people not keeping track, I have not once argued for the return of certain peoples or parties -- 95% of my posts are around the financial interests of the transaction.

I will however point out the contradiction that (1) bots amplifying fringe content boosts traffic, but (2) fringe contents and accounts themselves suppress traffic. 

#sensiblechuckle

This really isn't difficult. There are numerous types of fringe content, fringe users, etc. Some fringe content is good at driving traffic because it's Q nonsense that generates a lot of engagement. Other fringe content are nazi assholes harassing every woman they can find and causing those women to delete their accounts. These aren't even competing ideas.

[52-80 19191]

16 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

You  she said this a couple of different ways and I still don’t get it. Fringe content and accounts are definitely part of the algorithm.  They definitely drive traffic, they don’t suppress it. Fringe content gets amplified by bots, which gets amplified by the algorithm, which increases their reach, which generates more traffic, so the algorithm favors it. It’s the hot take model writ large. A random pic of a pie isn’t going to move the needle. Someone saying fuck politician X will, on both sides, which is ideal for the algorithm. They want people engaging for and against topics, because that spurs more and more engagement. 

How the mechanics of content amplification works is not my argument.  I'm pointing out in pages past some people suggested a loosening of moderation ("censorship") will increase (political) polarization and kill the traffic due to erosion of attractiveness of the dialogue.  This Hot Take Spiral theory is in clear opposition to that. 

Edited April 27, 2022 by 52-80

[ChickenSandwich 9843]

3 hours ago, TXSG8R said:

A subscription model will be the end of twitter.  People dont want to pay for shit on the internet.  

For Blue checks and verified media outlets/businesses. Don’t need to capture the rank and file 

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

7 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

ou need to add "GOTO 40" between 20 and 30 lines, otherwise either the program crashes because it can't find an unposted tweet or the tweet gets removed that was just posted. 

[TXSG8R 3362]

1 minute ago, ChickenSandwich said:

For Blue checks and verified media outlets/businesses. Don’t need to capture the rank and file 

So that does nothing to impact the bot issue. That was the genesis of the discussion. 

[Hmbre97 6319]

47 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Funny, anytime something is political, they are told to take it to the CR. It isn't safe or wise for me to go there, my POV isn't wanted. It's actually worse than other social medias IMHO. If I say something that goes against the overwhelming narrative I am labeled not genuine or a troll. People are entirely too comfortable putting each other on blast sitting behind their monitor and keyboard. There is no civility. 

Welcome to the internet.

 

Can someone please add one of these to the Daily Texan forum heading?

[52-80 19191]

I don't think advertisement is on Elon's radar at all. 

It works for Facebook because they have many vectors for ads, and their sister service Instagram is people passively scrolling to gaze at vapid photo-centric displays of consumerism.

Twitter is people 'actively' and addictively writing, replying, and arguing.  It might be better to charge these people for the privilege of participating in the discussion hub.  Or charge the larger accounts (who values *engagement*, not just *views*) to promote their reach.

200M active users * 1$/month = $2.4B/year.  Just as the widest of all ballparks.

Their annual advertising revenue is $5B, the ad-engagement has been decreasing, and the user growth plateaued.  And have you seen their ad targeting?  horrible.

Getting the sticky userbase to pay to play might be the ticket.

 

[52-80 19191]

10 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

For Blue checks and verified media outlets/businesses. Don’t need to capture the rank and file 

Exactly.  I did a User*Cost as a rough sizing estimate, but the way ahead is some sliding model to optimize the value from each account or account type.

Subscription is supposed to be a hurdle but... have people seen Substack?  Micropayments are frictionless and people have no qualms sending nominal cash to Patreon, tipping thots on OnlyFans, monthly cloud storage, and juggling 5 streaming TV subscriptions. 

$1 for a lay user isn't a big ask, and more than that for verified accounts is even less so.  These people value their branding and broadcast.

If Twitter was on day 1 and competing with another service, a subscription would be a death knell.  And this stage in their life, people aren't leaving it for fucking Gabber.

[F250 28788]

28 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

you need to add "GOTO 40" between 20 and 30 lines, otherwise either the program crashes because it can't find an unposted tweet or the tweet gets removed that was just posted. 

 

Regarding monetization, Twitter can follow LinkedIn model. There is high confidence that anyone there is a real person and that real data gets monetized nicely by offering services to hiring companies, etc. If Elon can get even something similar by getting rid of bots and making people real, there are possibilities to monetize besides just ads, while leaving room for those who don't want to pay. If this succeeds, those free people will be gradually restricted, similar to what LinkedIn does by hiding profiles, connected networks, etc.

This makes sense. I was just thinking that Twitter could end up looking more like LinkedIn if it was to go to a subscription model and removing anonymous accounts.

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Ugh, this is true. I just realized I think Surly is the only internet thing I contribute money to. I stopped following 9.95 sites. 

If a newspaper ask me to subscribe to see an article. Hard pass. 

 

If a service is afraid to ask for money, then its a sign of their true value to their customers. It's also a symptom of companies that value user counts and not customers. It's a future person's job to figure out how to monetize users.

If Twitter is smart, they will look to make money from large accounts, especially the ones that monetize their tweets with ads. There isn't a reason that Twitter shouldn't share in that ad revenue as the medium.

[F250 28788]

18 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If a service is afraid to ask for money, then its a sign of their true value to their customers. It's also a symptom of companies that value user counts and not customers. It's a future person's job to figure out how to monetize users.

If Twitter is smart, they will look to make money from large accounts, especially the ones that monetize their tweets with ads. There isn't a reason that Twitter shouldn't share in that ad revenue as the medium.

Think of all those corporate accounts that run their customer service via Twitter. A lot of them provide better customer service on Twitter than the call centers in India. I would imagine those accounts would be willing to pay for a premium subscription fee.

 

[52-80 19191]

50 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

So that does nothing to impact the bot issue. That was the genesis of the discussion. 

the bots elon and others elude to are crypto-scammers and hijacked accounts and other nefarious actors.  not bots posting unpopular messages. 

its about removing noise from dialogue , instead of favoring different flavors of the dialogue. 

its shit like this:

 

[StruggleBus 3922]

1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:

There is no civility. 

Fuck your mother

[Neonmoon 38129]

26 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If a service is afraid to ask for money, then its a sign of their true value to their customers. It's also a symptom of companies that value user counts and not customers. It's a future person's job to figure out how to monetize users.

If Twitter is smart, they will look to make money from large accounts, especially the ones that monetize their tweets with ads. There isn't a reason that Twitter shouldn't share in that ad revenue as the medium.

The services aren't afraid to ask for money. Not enough people will pay it. Therefore, they have to survive on selling user data. 

People don't even pay for porn. They definitely aren't going to pay to rage tweet. 

 

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

[gsoda3 3263]

1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

For Blue checks and verified media outlets/businesses. Don’t need to capture the rank and file 

 

this is how it's going to be.  companies right now are using twitter as free customer support.  implement a tiered pricing plan which charges based on the levels of interaction generated by each user and that's your business model.

 

1 hour ago, TXSG8R said:

So that does nothing to impact the bot issue. That was the genesis of the discussion. 

 

bots drive tweets which adds to the bottom line.  if you remove the conflict b/t having a superior product without bots (cannibalizing revenue) and making a half-hearted attempt to regulate bots while collecting revenue then it clears the way to address the process of bot removal.  

Edited April 27, 2022 by gsoda3

[Longhornlove 4835]

4 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

Fuck your mother

Exactly, except they mean it.

[High Plains Drifter 11050]

5 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Yup, we are all just rats in a Skinner box. 

 

hmmm.

"Despite all the rage, I am still just a rat in a cage skinner box."

 

yeah, doesn't have quite the zip.

 

 

[52-80 19191]

People who paid $120 a year to read about high school football players expresses skepticism at paying a token amount to read about every topic on earth happening at real-time

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

1 minute ago, High Plains Drifter said:

"Despite all the rage, I am still just a rat in a cage skinner box."

Despite all the shocks, I am still just a rat in a skinner box.

[High Plains Drifter 11050]

 

better.

[JMFP 1120]

49 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If a service is afraid to ask for money, then its a sign of their true value to their customers. It's also a symptom of companies that value user counts and not customers. It's a future person's job to figure out how to monetize users.

If Twitter is smart, they will look to make money from large accounts, especially the ones that monetize their tweets with ads. There isn't a reason that Twitter shouldn't share in that ad revenue as the medium.

But twitters customers are the companies paying for ads, not the people writing tweets...

[BabaYaga 15302]

31 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

Fuck your mother

[Ag with kids 581]

1 hour ago, AeroHorn said:

you need to add "GOTO 40" between 20 and 30 lines, otherwise either the program crashes because it can't find an unposted tweet or the tweet gets removed that was just posted. 

 

Regarding monetization, Twitter can follow LinkedIn model. There is high confidence that anyone there is a real person and that real data gets monetized nicely by offering services to hiring companies, etc. If Elon can get even something similar by getting rid of bots and making people real, there are possibilities to monetize besides just ads, while leaving room for those who don't want to pay. If this succeeds, those free people will be gradually restricted, similar to what LinkedIn does by hiding profiles, connected networks, etc.

Do NOT encourage the continued used of GOTO.  Just don't.  It needs to die a painful death.

[Longhornlove 4835]

10 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

[F250 28788]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

People don't even pay for porn.

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

49 minutes ago, JMFP said:

But twitters customers are the companies paying for ads, not the people writing tweets...

How's that been working for them?

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

How's that been working for them?

[F250 28788]

37 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

Do NOT encourage the continued used of GOTO.  Just don't.  It needs to die a painful death.

Years ago I was embedded with a team of Linux kernel developers and they would cut you for making this statement.

 

[Captainant 27682]

5 minutes ago, F250 said:

Years ago I was embedded with a team of Linux kernel developers and they would cut you for making this statement.

sounds like you worked with some BASIC bitches

[Ag with kids 581]

16 minutes ago, F250 said:

Years ago I was embedded with a team of Linux kernel developers and they would cut you for making this statement.

 

I worked for decades on legacy FORTRAN code.  Some the the code was probably written before I was born in 1968.  GOTOs all over the place.

Any time I saw one I rewrote the code to remove it.

FORTRAN 77 gave you the ELSE statement.  No need to continue on with FORTRAN 66 (IV) anymore.  Let.  It.  Die.

While I like Italian food, I do NOT like Spaghetti Code...

Edited April 27, 2022 by Ag with kids

[TexArcher 37988]

Pre-VHS programming talk not going away.

[Brisketexan 105161]

1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

Pre-VHS programming talk not going away.

I mean, now, you can simply speak out loud to your hand-held computer "find me videos of people having simulated sex with animated frogs," and it pulls up 78 results.  Or so I heard.  

[Biff Tannen 45692]

6 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

Funny, anytime something is political, they are told to take it to the CR. It isn't safe or wise for me to go there, my POV isn't wanted. It's actually worse than other social medias IMHO. If I say something that goes against the overwhelming narrative I am labeled not genuine or a troll. People are entirely too comfortable putting each other on blast sitting behind their monitor and keyboard. There is no civility. 

You poor dear.  Just come with logic and facts and you've got nothing to worry about.  Come with bullshit and bad faith arguments?  Yeah, you're gonna have a bad time.

[Longhornlove 4835]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

You poor dear.  Just come with logic and facts and you've got nothing to worry about.  Come with bullshit and bad faith arguments?  Yeah, you're gonna have a bad time.

That's just a bait and switch comment to get me to go back. No thanks. I've tried that multiple times. That place has a bad reputation for a reason.

[Sawbonz 27580]

5 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

Funny, anytime something is political, they are told to take it to the CR. It isn't safe or wise for me to go there, my POV isn't wanted. It's actually worse than other social medias IMHO. If I say something that goes against the overwhelming narrative I am labeled not genuine or a troll. People are entirely too comfortable putting each other on blast sitting behind their monitor and keyboard. There is no civility. 

If you post something that is untrue you will be called a liar. If you post stupid shit you will be called a dumb fuck.

It’s simple post things that are true and don’t say stupid shit

[Longhornlove 4835]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

If you post something that is untrue you will be called a liar. If you post stupid shit you will be called a dumb fuck.

It’s simple post things that are true and don’t say stupid shit

You love it so much, go have fun, I'm not going......Final answer.

[Sawbonz 27580]

1 minute ago, Longhornlove said:

You love it so much, go have fun, I'm not going......Final answer.

Believe me you won’t be missed

[Longhornlove 4835]

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Believe me you won’t be missed

I know, don't care.

[Sawbonz 27580]

Just now, Longhornlove said:

I know, don't care.

Yet you cry about it in this forum

[Longhornlove 4835]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

Yet you cry about it in this forum

Are you stalking me? 

[Longhornlove 4835]

2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Yet you cry about it in this forum

So you are here to cry about my crying?