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Hotez is far from bulletproof.       

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Absolutely.    Would you like other guys pointing out Hotez deficiencies?   It was actually more about Hotez but whatever? Why stick around? All the constructive back and forth

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

Shadow banning and delisting are the same thing and they happen all the time. 

i dont think you, as an administrator of a busy community website, are correct, and wait to hear more contrary opinion from the peanut gallery.

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3 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Is it nefarious or just a way to moderate? (I know you can't answer for Twitter, just curious in general) 

Delisting is a way to moderate much like "moderator approval" on surly (which we haven't used since the shadow banning due to politics in the DT spike at the start of covid) 

You can still interact with the site and you see your posts, but no one else does because they are actually "hidden" until a mod approves them, but the approval queue sometimes (cough, always, cough) gets ignored due to mods being busy or just not caring. 

So I believe Twitter when they say they don't shadowban accounts, but they probably do put accounts on approval moderated delisting and just never end up approving shit so it is basically a shadowban. 

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I think crowdsourcing moderation is the future.  And by that I don't mean democratizing it where people simply vote on action.  That'd instantly bias-shuift a platform.

A system where platform users opted-in in to review flagged posts.  Real flagged posts intermixed with fake samples would be sent (randomly at first) to reviewers.  There'd be some p-value threshold where action would take place or the content would exit the process (simple i.e.: 80/100 reviewers would agree before permanent action).  Reviewers would be graded both with the fake control samples and agreement with actions finalized.  Better reviewers would weigh more, and would be sent more content that can't clear the thresholds for being appropriate nor not.

There'd also be bias control across various categories.  If you are shown to be a bad reviewer for CFB opinion, but generally good in other areas, the algorithm will send you less CFB content for review.

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To me it seems like you ought to moderate in 2's with a diverse viewpoint together.  If a post gets flagged and they both agree that it needs to come down (spamming, porn, truly awful stuff that nobody wants to see, nazism etc) then take it down. If one says bring it down and the other says no way then you probably have hit upon a post that's not a complete shit post/without value/beyond the pale and if you are serious about having a discussion square with free-ish type speech that one then stays. 
Under this rubric you wouldn't ever ban the Babylon Bee for satire, the NY Post wouldn't get de-listed, but you wouldn't have neo nazi's filling up the site with hate speech either.  

In essence it's not that twitter was doing something wrong in the process, their problem was they had no viewpoint diversity in place so whenever they erred they erred on the side of supresseing speech, labeling it hateful and suppressing it.  That keeps the place from turning into a scat porn site or a neo nazi hang our room without destroying viewpont discrimination.  And this mod squad would get brought in whenever a certain percentage of users who interact with a post flag it (I don't know what that would be- maybe 10%?  Maybe 1%?- I don't know how often reporting is done- but set the bar somewhere where it's maybe double the typical post that gets reviewed, then you aren't creating more work for having 2 content moderators instead of 1 b/c they are only reviewing half as many posts.

I'd also probably have something as a standard rule that anyone holding elected office cannot be banned b/c their thoughts, by virtue of winning an election, probably can't in any reasonable way be classified as fringe, as evidenced by the fact that they won an election.

Would that be perfect? Probably not.  But it would work better than what they are doing currently imo, or in throwing in the towel on content moderation in general on the other side.  If I can come up with something that's probably an improvement over the current course of events in 5 minutes of thought I'm pretty sure the worlds richest man, motivated to buy this thing to change it up, can come up with something better after devoting a bunch of time and thought to it.  I think this isn't blindingly easy to figure out but it's not near as insurmountable as some make it out to be.  

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4 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I'd also probably have something as a standard rule that anyone holding elected office cannot be banned b/c their thoughts, by virtue of winning an election, probably can't in any reasonable way be classified as fringe, as evidenced by the fact that they won an election.

democracy GIF

because no leader would ever use a democratically elected office to attempt to seize unilateral control of an entire government, right?

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2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

democracy GIF

because no leader would ever use a democratically elected office to attempt to seize unilateral control of an entire government, right?

If he's being supported by 25% or more of the population by definition that is in no way fringe. I don't think I've ever seen a major national politician with less than 25% support, even at their nadir, so, yeah, I'm sticking with I would make that a rule against banination.  That likely wouldn't be the only one- I'd probably also not ever ban anyone that is employed by a media company who has a reach of over 1,000,000 people engaging with the shit they are paid to spew by said outlet. I'd even be magnanimous enough to exempt CNN into that, even though 1,000,000 is aspirational to those guys right now.  I'm sure there are others that should be sufficiently insulated from banning because they have proven themselves to have a following that goes beyond fringe.  

 

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Nazism isn’t fringe either, at least not in the authoritarianism version of it these days. 

Just because a person is elected to office, doesn’t mean they can’t be a monster. Insert name of whatever current politician that has been accused of molesting kids recently 

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20 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

# of active neo-nazi groups over time as identified by the southern poverty law center

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these social anxiety numbers are rookie numbers.  gotta pump it up

Yeah, but that probably excludes Illinois Nazis.

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20 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Elon doing psychopharm now...

 

 

Andreesen's issue might be cultural. Adderall in the Tech community is similar to meth in Oklahoma. When you are working 30 + hours nonstop and need to be cognizant that shit comes in handy.

 

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Because pharma SSRIs have never been linked to suicide and suicide risk ever. 

We should ban people expressing an opinion on drugs until authorities like FDA d--oh wait.

How dare people besmirch medicine.  Have billion dollar pill companies ever been found of wrongdoing? 

 

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2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Because pharma SSRIs have never been linked to suicide and suicide risk ever. 

We should ban people expressing an opinion on drugs until authorities like FDA d--oh wait.

How dare people besmirch medicine.  Have billion dollar pill companies ever been found of wrongdoing? 

 

Do you even risk/benefit, bro?

But hey, if Elon wants to also take on the rot at the FDA, he’s welcome to it.  Plenty of rot there to tackle, but he may be too busy for that.

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12 hours ago, StruggleBus said:

Who in the tech community works 30 hours nonstop? 

Not uncommon in the 90's and early 2000's. The industry has matured since then but twenty years ago it wasn't an 8 to 5 industry.

 

 

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1 hour ago, 52-80 said:

Guy doesn’t like dude talking about a certain subject, using a platform dude’s buying full ownership of, ostensibly to allow folks to say whatever they want. 
 

Life truly is a simulation. 

That's the Surly way.

 

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On 4/26/2022 at 7:04 PM, BLKNSTY said:

the worlds richest man basically bought all our DMs and took the company private. Twitter doesn’t use end to end encryption on DMs so that shit is wide tf open to anyone who has access. 100% private company with minimal oversight.

yeah yeah I know, what about Zuck? I don’t think that’s exactly the same - it’s a public company with a board and Zuck has at least some track record. Shareholders and fiduciary responsibility etc. yeah yeah companies are already making bank off my data but that’s keywords or some dude making $35k a year who has no beef with me reading about how I’d eat my coworkers ass on a silver plate. yeah yeah what about Bezos? I dont DM on Amazon and I could give two fucks about WP as I’ve never even visited their website.

I have absolutely no doubt this shit is going to end badly. Some real sensitive DMs bout to get leaked. Genuine question, what’s stopping Elon from busting open all the DMs of anyone who’s looked at him sideways/his competitors/governments and politicians capable of being blackmailed and fucking up their shit? This some NSA level access but at least we can chalk that up to terrorism.

I know the legal system is there but this mf really called a guy a pedo on Twitter and still one the defamation suit.

I’m in for the ride though baby, crank up that simulation shit baby

Fraud ass Shaun King's wack ass Surly handle. The only ass you eat is your own.

 

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21 hours ago, 52-80 said:

Because pharma SSRIs have never been linked to suicide and suicide risk ever. 

We should ban people expressing an opinion on drugs until authorities like FDA d--oh wait.

How dare people besmirch medicine.  Have billion dollar pill companies ever been found of wrongdoing? 

 

Wellbutrin is not an ssri 

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I’m confused where Wellbutrin comes in as ‘worse’ than an amphetamine?  Two very different drugs for different purposes and addiction potential. 
 

Who am I kidding, probably can’t wait until he can ban manufacturers of Bupropion from Twitter for whatever reason they slighted him.  

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