Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[Hefeweizen 5328]

Easy to remove the Twitter app today.  I installed it to follow Ukraine and there are several here who do a great job aggregating already so I have no need to generate views.  
 

Just like Spotify, voting with your feet or wallet is fine.  Let me know when the scat pics go up, I’ll swing by again.

[52-80 19163]

2 minutes ago, royiv said:

Please explain to me what is political about being against the slaughter of innocent human beings just trying to go about their daily lives.

Please explain what you or I have to do with slaughtering human beings. Do you do that? Do you picket for or against it? 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

The 3 fired execs are taking home $187m between them. Dealing with Elon or having close to $200m? The two options are almost equal.

[InkaUtexas 25986]

1 minute ago, 52-80 said:

What are you doing morally, or substantively, that impacts the actual war differently from what im doing?  

There must be something concrete that makes 1 party a hero and the other a nazi. 

Yeah, you really are not following it. Have you heard Russia's propaganda about Ukrainian Nazi's? 

Fuck it back to Elon. Dude needs to stay out of international politics. Oh wait, shall we discuss his take on China/Taiwan? 

[Brisketexan 105155]

1 minute ago, 52-80 said:

What are you doing morally, or substantively, that impacts the actual war differently from what im doing?  

There must be something concrete that makes 1 party a hero and the other a nazi. 

1 -- active support for refugees.

2 -- support of World Central Kitchen with my money.

3 -- demanding that my elected officials stay the course (they work for me, they are pursuing a policy path that I approve of, and I let them know how they feel).

I'm no hero -- one doesn't have to be.  But being a mere spectator, or even tacit supporter/enabler, of a totalitarian genocide is....ummm....bad.

[Celery Man 20968]

it is not possible to have a non political discussion of 2022 Elon Musk and it is stupid to think that it might be

[Captainant 27680]

1 minute ago, 52-80 said:

Please explain what you or I have to do with slaughtering human beings. Do you do that? Do you picket for or against it? 

Well for one, you're the one talking about appeasement with a fascist invading force. Don't do a Neville Chamberlain, you won't get dogpiled. Simple as. 

[Neonmoon 38129]

At a high level, Germany is the aggressor and should suffer some punitive damages, but at a practical level, them rounding up Jews and gassing them is just like baseball. I don’t care. 
 

Anyone who disagrees with this statement is CR mudslinger and there’s a reason they suck. 

[royiv 9325]

Just now, 52-80 said:

Please explain what you or I have to do with slaughtering human beings. Do you do that? Do you picket for or against it? 

You said you don't care about it. You could at least give a shit.

[52-80 19163]

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

Yeah, you really are not following it. Have you heard Russia's propaganda about Ukrainian Nazi's? 

Fuck it back to Elon. Dude needs to stay out of international politics. Oh wait, shall we discuss his take on China/Taiwan? 

You steered it down this path soliciting my personal opinion so you owe an explanation before ditching it. 
 

What does my stance have to do with Nazi propaganda and how does it consequentially differ from yours?

[InkaUtexas 25986]

2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Please explain what you or I have to do with slaughtering human beings. Do you do that? Do you picket for or against it? 

1- Actively support a few friends working there in Humanitarian Ops. I am slotted if they need me to head in. 

2- I cover their overwatch on other areas of the globe (since this is not the only fucked up situation on the globe) so they can focus on Ukraine. 

3- I donate all I can. Including kitting out a few SAR teams who climb through rubble thanks to Russian missiles. 

4- I know what side I stand on. 

5- I call out apologists. 

Have you asked yourself why Elon is cool with the Russians and Chinese? Could it be their markets and access to raw material? Would you be cool with the Government of Sudan committing Genocide so you could earn .00001% more in your dividends since South Sudan has some interesting REM? 

Dude, gotta pick a side and stick with it. Want the war over? Russia can leave. It is again pretty fucking easy. 

Elon's take perhaps was first being a visionary, then profit. Now it is ego as smarter people than me on this board have pointed out. 

[Prepuce of Doom 21079]

[InkaUtexas 25986]

4 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

You steered it down this path soliciting my personal opinion so you owe an explanation before ditching it. 
 

What does my stance have to do with Nazi propaganda and how does it consequentially differ from yours?

Read my post..... I said Ukrainian Nazi's. That is a major reason for this invasion from the Russian perspective. 

From me? I know I don't fucking support anyone who wants to appease them. I know my grandfather jumped at D-Day. I know his three brothers died in the Pacific or North Sea. 

Fuck off man. Enjoy your Tesla and stock. 

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

I’m beginning to think when Elon was forced to complete the twitter deal he shorted the hell out of twitter and is now actively trying to destroy twitter’s value as a fuck you in his battle with the SEC.

[Laxtonto 12090]

People are all freaking out about this because of their own personal or political views, but to me since I use twitter as a text resource for academic research this provides a wonder divider for various types of event studies regarding pre/post Elon.

Just from a personal viewpoint, I will say that my Twitter stream is actually way less polarized today, my trending news is way less political, and I am seeing more from smaller content creators that have for reason that were not visible in my timeline.  This is just one day and there are a variety of reasons of why, but it does seem like there is a difference day 1 of MuskTwitter.

Weird enough, I am seeing reports of a dramatic drop in engagement numbers for a variety of influencers and political figures today, which tends to point to a major sweep of bot accounts as well.

Will be real curious to see what happens by this afternoon. I might want to fire up one of my hashtag scrapers and see how the engagement and reach metrics compare to the same date last year.

[52-80 19163]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

1 -- active support for refugees.

2 -- support of World Central Kitchen with my money.

3 -- demanding that my elected officials stay the course (they work for me, they are pursuing a policy path that I approve of, and I let them know how they feel).

I'm no hero -- one doesn't have to be.  But being a mere spectator, or even tacit supporter/enabler, of a totalitarian genocide is....ummm....bad.

1-did your central asian(?) refugee just switch nationalities? thats nice. i offered my house to ukrainian friend and ex-colleague (posted early in war thread. they took refuge with family near the border)

 

2-i cook at the local homeless society. sorry, dont know the allegiances of all the recipients. 
 

3-whom did you petition and vote for vs whom did i petition and vote for that takes opposing stance on this war. would love to hear this one

[InkaUtexas 25986]

8 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

1-did your central asian(?) refugee just switch nationalities? thats nice. i offered my house to ukrainian friend and ex-colleague (posted early in war thread. they took refuge with family near the border)

 

2-i cook at the local homeless society. sorry, dont know the allegiances of all the recipients. 
 

3-whom did you petition and vote for vs whom did i petition and vote for that takes opposing stance on this war. would love to hear this one

I spent 7 years in Afghanistan doing Development and Humanitarian ops. With my partners we got 90% of our team out. Yeah, some were stuck in Helmand and we are still working it. And my interpreter, who did not run early, takes his citizenship exam next quarter. My father is advising him. Ya know, cuz he has some time. We did crowd source his first tractor trailer. 

I write grants for small, minority owned businesses in my community, have sat as a director at the County Food Bank, and run a start up foundation. One of our focal areas is refugee and immigrant inclusion. 

I vote with my heart and do my research. My go to is the League of Women Voters as a standard guide. I do not vote just one color. I would say I am a Social Hawk. 

Brah, you got a micro-Elon ego. Deal with it. Do you deliver the said groceries in your Tesla or use your wife's subaru?

You got called out and failed. 

@Brisketexan I stepped in so you could continue to be a legal eagle and defend the rights of one eyed puppies. 

Edited October 28, 2022 by InkaUtexas

[Humble Beast 258]

54 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

My kids tell me the same thing.  Admittedly, I am one repetitive SOB.

Dad jokes are evergreen. 
 

37 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Question. Did the Biden Admin ask him to engage with the Russians? If not, perhaps we should look at his clearances. I am sure the stock owners would love that, and since old 52-80 really only cares about the finance side he might give a damn. 

 

That would be complicated. You could make a case at this point that Tesla and SpaceX are systemically important tech businesses. The US Gov needs him as much as he needs them. 
 

On another note, far more concerning than his accused connections to Russian interests are his known and verified connections to Chinese interests.  
 

He’s a complicated guy. Part scammer, part PT Barnum, part tech visionary, part pot stirrer. 

[52-80 19163]

4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I spent 7 years in Afghanistan doing Development and Humanitarian ops. With my partners we got 90% of our team out. Yeah, some were stuck in Helmand and we are still working it. And my interpreter, who did not run early, takes his citizenship exam next quarter. My father is advising him. Ya know, cuz he has some time. We did crowd source his first tractor trailer. 

I write grants for small, minority owned businesses in my community, have sat as a director at the County Food Bank, and run a start up foundation. One of our focal areas is refugee and immigrant inclusion. 

I vote with my heart and do my research. My go to is the League of Women Voters as a standard guide. I do not vote just one color. I would say I am a Social Hawk. 

Brah, you got a micro-Elon ego. Deal with it. Do you deliver the said groceries in your Tesla or use your wife's subaru?

You got called out and failed. 

Yes, my ego. After you invited my opinion on it, and my 98% apoliticalness equates somehow to tacit Russian Nazi support. (Silence is violence or something?) 
 

Not sorry i dont brainstorm playbooks on how to end a war. Sorry you need a civilian villain so bad. 

[Brian Fantana 6689]

He can't turn Twitter into a right wing cesspool without killing it. Right wing rhetoric doesn't land if there aren't libs around to own. That's why Parler etc. are failures.

[F250 28781]

36 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The 3 fired execs are taking home $187m between them. Dealing with Elon or having close to $200m? The two options are almost equal.

I read that Parag Agrawal is getting a $42 million severance package. Jimbo Fisher laughs in mediocrity while wiping his ass with hundred dollar bills.

 

[Humble Beast 258]

Just now, Brian Fantana said:

He can't turn Twitter into a right wing cesspool without killing it. Right wing rhetoric doesn't land if there aren't libs around to own. That's why Parler etc. are failures.

People have to get their dopamine hits somewhere. Twitter will be hard to replicate for a left leaning person or entity.  All the major news orgs propagate their info there. So their reporters and the blue checkmark pundits will be there. 
 

“Build your own social network.” 
 

Easier said than done. 

[InkaUtexas 25986]

5 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Yes, my ego. After you invited my opinion on it, and my 98% apoliticalness equates somehow to tacit Russian Nazi support. (Silence is violence or something?) 
 

Not sorry i dont brainstorm playbooks on how to end a war. Sorry you need a civilian villain so bad. 

You said you did not care. Enough said.

Follow him on Twitter and worry about your stock. 

[Reynolds Woodcock 4758]

56 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

CR is about allegiance-based mudslinging you’re provoking right now. 

You asked what I think Elon thinks about Putin. I answered he’s wrong for not condemning Putin. 

But beyond that, I dont LARP as a military advisor. And for not pledging fealty to a team you start insulting me…

Great game, politics is fun. 

Accusations of “Allegiance-based” mudslinging and “not pledging fealty to a team” from the guy spinning himself in circles defending non-”biz/financing” related positions from Musk. Being a stereotype must be fun.

[mdmost 43004]

That does it, I'm going back to Facebook.

The tweet from the Russian fuckface is great. Yeah Elon, please remove something that's keeping Ukrainians alive so we can kill them easier. Do it for the lolz. 

[52-80 19163]

5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

You said you did not care. Enough said.

Follow him on Twitter and worry about your stock. 

Is this still the Elon-Twitter thread or the one about how you will personally win the war?

[InkaUtexas 25986]

2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Is this still the Elon-Twitter thread or the one about how you will personally win the war?

Brah, really? Elon made some fucked up statements. You backed him up. You got called out. Take the loss pussy. 

BTW, a Central Asian (proper spelling Sir, your refugee friend may appreciate being correct) could easily be Russian...... Hmmmmmm.....  Ya know, Geography and all that. 

[Humble Beast 258]

 

[52-80 19163]

7 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Brah, really? Elon made some fucked up statements. You backed him up. You got called out. Take the loss pussy. 

His stated position is he wants to avoid *further escalation* of war.  Feel free to oppose that notion all day long. 

His position was void of any blame of Putin/RU. I explicitly disagreed with that. 

Paint that as backing him up. Do whatever you need to to appease your anger. Mighty angry for such a peace loving hero, are you?

[wildcat09 29355]

29 minutes ago, F250 said:

I read that Parag Agrawal is getting a $42 million severance package. Jimbo Fisher laughs in mediocrity while wiping his ass with hundred dollar bills.

 

That's it? Jesus, that's pathetically low.  

[InkaUtexas 25986]

Just now, 52-80 said:

His stated position is he wants to avoid *further escalation* of war.  Feel free to oppose that notion all day long. 

His position was void of any blame of Putin/RU. I explicitly disagreed with that. 

Paint that as backing him up. Do whatever you need to to appease your anger. Mighty angry for such a peace loving hero, are you?

Further escalation is pull the fuck out of the country. Stop talking Nukes. Stop having your minions sending DM's to him. Call his ass out. 

But you defend Elon. You said it once and then went after anyone who said more is needed. 

Appeasement...... And no, not angry. And if you know war you love peace. I know it and don't like it. 

Are we done? 

[babysdaddy 2725]

https://www.piratewires.com/p/elon-musk-has-taken-twitter-day-zero

[wildcat09 29355]

I think the bootlicker who can't help being a bootlicker but recognizes that's what they are and feels shame about it so pretends they're not really a bootlicker is the funniest type of bootlicker.

[Brisketexan 105155]

1 minute ago, 52-80 said:

His stated position is he wants to avoid *further escalation* of war.  Feel free to oppose that notion all day long. 

I will feel so free.  Just like I would have opposed anyone taking the position on June 5, 1944 that the Allies should "avoid further escalation of the war in Europe."

Elon is a narcissist who stepped on his own dick in most every possible way in trying to make himself much more important and relevant than he should be.  He fucked up.  Take the loss, pussy.

The fact that he's motivated by greedy self-interest underneath that ("stop making things bad for Russia, as I need their cheap raw materials and underpaid peasant labor of extracting same in order to make my next billions") doesn't make the episode any better, by the way.

Some folks can acknowledge that a person may be a fair enough businessman (the jury is still out, by the way....shit can fall apart faster than you think if that guy gets way out over his skis) but also a garbage human.  Often, the reasons for both conclusions are the same.  I mean, as one example, we could discuss at length how, in real-dollar terms, a businessman's decision to source all of his raw materials using slave labor translates to the fattest bottom line in the business......which makes him a massive producer of shareholder value AND a garbage human being.  

As for "heroes," we all use the power and leverage we can.  What you use it for is the tale of the moral tape.  Yep, with one tweet, Elon can surely make more of an impact on geopolitics than I will ever make with whatever real effort I ever make.  So, that fucker should use it wisely.  He should use it for good, not evil, ego, or self-interest.  And if he does, I'll call him out on it.  I won't be alone.  If enough of us do so, our collective political will and market power makes a difference.  Because the West is not the complete Russian-style oligarchy that Musk admires and aspires to.  At least, it ain't all the way there quite yet.

[Guadaloopy 10973]

Hey guys, what's going on in he....

 

[52-80 19163]

18 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Further escalation is pull the fuck out of the country. Stop talking Nukes. Stop having your minions sending DM's to him. Call his ass out. 

But you defend Elon. You said it once and then went after anyone who said more is needed. 

Appeasement...... And no, not angry. And if you know war you love peace. I know it and don't like it. 

Are we done? 

Cool. Thats your position - not my interest to dissect it. 

I said hes right about some things, and wrong about some things. That goes for this topic as much as everything else he does (eg Thai cave). 

Then you piled on me for not showing contrition about a war i neither support nor am in a position in influence. Lol. Wheres your public support for the rest of the active global conflicts?

My family are immigrants of war and I dont find it fascinating to obsess over or fantasize playing General.  Great for you if you do. 

[Brian Fantana 6689]

I don't understand why people think that Elon Musk needs them to defend him. Weird behavior.

[Humble Beast 258]

23 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I will feel so free.  Just like I would have opposed anyone taking the position on June 5, 1944 that the Allies should "avoid further escalation of the war in Europe."

 

These analogies all fall flat. They’re missing one key distinction. Hitler didn’t have nukes. If he did we wouldn’t have been able to incinerate his cities. 
 

25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Some folks can acknowledge that a person may be a fair enough businessman (the jury is still out, by the way....shit can fall apart faster than you think if that guy gets way out over his skis) but also a garbage human. 

You’re having trouble acknowledging that the richest man in the world is a “fair enough businessman”. 😂 That’s like saying Wilt Chamberlain might’ve been a playboy, but the jury’s still out! I love this site. 

[InkaUtexas 25986]

2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Cool. Thats your position - not my interest to dissect it. 

I said hes right about some things, and wrong about some things. That goes for this topic as much as everything else he does (eg Thai cave). 

Then you piled on me for not showing contrition about a war i neither support nor am in a position in influence. Lol. Wheres your public support for the rest of the active global conflicts?

My family are immigrants of war and I dont find it fascinating to obsess over or fantasize playing General.  Great for you if you do. 

Man, you got no idea about my family so don't bring it up. Just let it go. No one piled on you. We are not aggys. You made a statement. People disagreed. I was wrong on an earlier post about starlink, got corrected, said cool and let it go. 

BTW, not one Central Asian (again, correct spelling) would say that. They would say they are Tajik, Uzbek, etc..... 

Musk took Kremlin talking points and reposted them. but wait, you just care about the money. Oligarch much?

I smell a troll @Brisketexan  This dude don't make sense. Maybe he should head over and give financial advice on texags. 

[Brisketexan 105155]

Just now, Humble Beast said:

These analogies all fall flat. They’re missing one key distinction. Hitler didn’t have nukes. If he did we wouldn’t have been able to incinerate his cities. 
 

You’re having trouble acknowledging that the richest man in the world is a “fair enough businessman”. 😂 That’s like saying Wilt Chamberlain might’ve been a playboy, but the jury’s still out! I love this site. 

It ain't how much you have today.  It's how much you end up with.  It's like calling someone the world's greatest gambler because he's up $100k in Vegas at 10 pm.  Let's see where he is at 3 am.

And if you want to ignore his plain toadying to China and Russia because he is willing to sacrifice the lives and freedom of millions so he can have a nice supply of raw materials and consumers, have at it.  I won't.  I think it's immoral.

[Storm the Field 5295]

The last 2 pages of this thread, in a nutshell.

[Bateshorn 9928]

4 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I don't understand why people think that Elon Musk needs them to defend him. Weird behavior.

This. He’s the richest man in the world.  He literally doesn’t think about you and If he did, it would probably be something to the effect “ew, gross, a poor.”
 

 

[InkaUtexas 25986]

3 minutes ago, Humble Beast said:

These analogies all fall flat. They’re missing one key distinction. Hitler didn’t have nukes. If he did we wouldn’t have been able to incinerate his cities. 
 

You’re having trouble acknowledging that the richest man in the world is a “fair enough businessman”. 😂 That’s like saying Wilt Chamberlain might’ve been a playboy, but the jury’s still out! I love this site. 

No, but no one did. He was working on them. We were just better at it. See, he prosecuted a lot of people and they were smart. And they went to the west. And we were smart and used that knowledge. 

[wildcat09 29355]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It ain't how much you have today.  It's how much you end up with.  It's like calling someone the world's greatest gambler because he's up $100k in Vegas at 10 pm.  Let's see where he is at 3 am.

And if you want to ignore his plain toadying to China and Russia because he is willing to sacrifice the lives and freedom of millions so he can have a nice supply of raw materials and consumers, have at it.  I won't.  I think it's immoral.

Fuck you, that's uncalled for! No I don't need your stupid when the fun stops flyer!

[Brian Fantana 6689]

2 minutes ago, Humble Beast said:

You’re having trouble acknowledging that the richest man in the world is a “fair enough businessman”. 😂 That’s like saying Wilt Chamberlain might’ve been a playboy, but the jury’s still out! I love this site. 

His businesses (pre-Twitter) are or have been entirely dependent on the taxpayer dime to be solvent. He just bought a company that has only occasionally turned a profit in the last 9 years based on a whim driven by his need to shitpost.

Even charlatans can make money.

[Storm the Field 5295]

13 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I don't understand why people think that Elon Musk needs them to defend him. Weird behavior.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10301]

8 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I don't understand why people think that Elon Musk needs them to defend him. Weird behavior.

I mean when there is an "OR" literally in the topic title it should be expected, no?

[Celery Man 20968]

3 minutes ago, Storm the Field said:

[52-80 19163]

3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Man, you got no idea about my family so don't bring it up. Just let it go. No one piled on you. We are not aggys. You made a statement. People disagreed. I was wrong on an earlier post about starlink, got corrected, said cool and let it go. 

BTW, not one Central Asian (again, correct spelling) would say that. They would say they are Tajik, Uzbek, etc..... 

Musk took Kremlin talking points and reposted them. but wait, you just care about the money. Oligarch much?

I smell a troll @Brisketexan  This dude don't make sense. Maybe he should head over and give financial advice on texags. 

You sure like to misrepresent positions to swat them down. 

I mentioned nothing about *your* family. I mentioned mine, and why I dont care to obsess about hypothetical geopolitical/military strategy. 

Im not disturbed about your (or others’) piling on.  Im pointing out that its based on a silly fabricated premise. 

Brisket mentioned that the teen he took in was Afghani. Or could be Kyrzgyztani.  Or somewhere around there. Thats why we they have regional descriptors. Are you really picking nits on geographic semantics?

Which political talking points originated from whose party is not my ballpark. At all. Im fascinated by the Twitter acquisition saga. Its hard to see why you take such umbrage with that, but anger is the soup du jour. 

[InkaUtexas 25986]

2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

You sure like to misrepresent positions to swat them down. 

I mentioned nothing about *your* family. I mentioned mine, and why I dont care to obsess about hypothetical geopolitical/military strategy. 

Im not disturbed about your (or others’) piling on.  Im pointing out that its based on a silly fabricated premise. 

Brisket mentioned that the teen he took in was Afghani. Or could be Kyrzgyztani.  Or somewhere around there. Thats why we they have regional descriptors. Are you really picking nits on geographic semantics?

Which political talking points originated from whose party is not my ballpark. At all. Im fascinated by the Twitter acquisition saga. Its hard to see why you take such umbrage with that, but anger is the soup du jour. 

Cool Dude. Enjoy your weekend. And your spelling sucks. All the refugees I have sponsored I knew their country, and usually, ethnic group. So yeah, cuz in that part of the world it matters a lot. Maybe you should learn some things about the international world. 

We defended our take. You did not like it. Enjoy your investments.