Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[Neonmoon 38130]

Damn I thought it was going to take longer until it reached 4chan status 

Edited October 29, 2022 by Neonmoon

[Brisketexan 105579]

Damn I thought I was going to take longer until it reached 4chan status 

You most not know much about America and the people in it.

[mdmost 43308]

46 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Very disappointing. I like my social media racism to be more subtle, like it is on Nextdoor. 

Edited October 29, 2022 by mdmost

[Nivek 17041]

18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You most not know much about America and the people in it.

To be fair, I prefer to live in a bubble with other civilized people, and not act like the internet comment section is representative.   It is mostly attention-seeking morons, recycling attention-seeking moronic statements.   

On the other hand, hate speech only went up 500%.  It could have been worse.  

Edited October 29, 2022 by Nivek

[Humble Beast 258]

This is a pretty tinfoil hatish assessment which may be why I thought it was interesting even though I dont buy it. 

 

 

 

 

[956 Worldwide 34931]

On 10/28/2022 at 10:43 PM, Brisketexan said:

Actually, this is a fantastic post.  Collectively, almost ALL of us suffer from 1) fooling ourselves by participating in echo chambers and 2) deluding ourselves into believing the echo chamber reflects great reality.

I'm always reminded of one of the first clear examples of that: After the 2000 POTUS election, when folks in Manhattan were quoted as saying "how could W have won?  I don't know ANYONE who voted for him?"  Fast-forward to 2020, rural America: "No way Biden won!  I don't know a single person who voted for him!"  The same issue comes up with Beto fans -- my wife says all the time "I really think he could win, look at all the signs in our hood and almost everyone I know supports him."  Yeah, you've curated your friends and your social media feed -- and then the algos in that feed do it even more, manipulating the fuck out of you -- to consume self-validating info.

Twitter doesn't reflect how "everyone" thinks.  It reflects how certain engaged constituencies thinks, in about this order: chicks with Onlyfans accounts, political extremists, scammers and grifters (of both the political and porn variety), and then an aggregation of funny accounts, news aggregators, etc.

Thinking that Twitter reflects how the world thinks is just as dumb as thinking that Surly or Texags reflect how the world thinks.  Twitter is much bigger than both, but in the grand scheme, it's still a very small percentage of actual humanity.  Sure, it has an impact.  So does Surly.  So does Texags.

I'm going to sit back and watch Elon try to do what he thinks is super-easy: manipulating a forum of human engagement in a way that everyone thinks balances civility and fairness.  I wish him much luck, he's going to need it.  If he pulls it off, I'll be the first person here praising him for doing what most everyone thinks is impossible.  For those of you fanbois.....what do you think the odds are of him pulling that off?

Sorry, it’s nice to think this way but it’s not really true. Yes, there’s a tremendous amount of trash and bots in Twitter but it is now (maybe not for long) the place where the world’s academic, social, political, business, and cultural elites meet to trade barbs, share their takes, feed off of each other, and send up trial balloons. And that shit trickles down, you have to believe. And it trickles down to people who aren’t even aware they’re being influenced. Just like a bunch of 19th century Germans wrote a bunch of thick, boring books no one really read and then all of a sudden some poor Pole in 1939 is being hit over the head with all of them at once, so to speak. 

Edited October 29, 2022 by 956 Worldwide

[Deej 77176]

5 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

it is now the place where the world’s academic, social, political, business, and cultural elites meet

You were thinking of Surly

[washparkhorn 9939]

Elon’s Twitter:

If he is visionary, it might be worthwhile for Musk to get an eye exam. 

He is killing his brand.  

[wildcat09 29453]

His free speech absolutist charade is going to take a big hit when word leaks out after he starts outing political dissidents to the Chinese, Russian, Saudi, and Indian governments, among others, which he's absolutely going to do.

[Cornpop 230]

21 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

His free speech absolutist charade is going to take a big hit when word leaks out after he starts outing political dissidents to the Chinese, Russian, Saudi, and Indian governments, among others, which he's absolutely going to do.

And why is that?

[SizzleChest 8295]

2 hours ago, Humble Beast said:

This is a pretty tinfoil hatish assessment which may be why I thought it was interesting even though I dont buy it. 

 

 

 

 

Eh, some of that is silly, but some of it's not all that far-fetched.  Particularly the part about the goals of inter-planetary colonization - this is aligned fully with Musk's goals  He doesn't really care if democracy is detonated in pursuit of it; as long as our species can be populated on Mars or elsewhere, he's fine with it.  The US government is his competition and he's absolutely a power broker with the Russians and Chinese.

You gotta sacrifice a bunch of sheep, er break a few eggs to make an omelette.

[Laxtonto 12639]

Looks like Musk fired the entire csuite for cause per the NY Times

 

Going to be real fun to see how this progresses and makes me wonder if this is tied to the bots and the SEC filings.

[Neonmoon 38130]

Jesus 

 

[Captainant 27973]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Jesus 

 

Jfc Elon needs to get off of twitter lol. Homeboy is getting the workswithseed info feed

[boilerhorn 1450]

In Elon's post acquisition screed, one thing stood out:

 

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Twitter currently makes 90 percent of its revenue from advertising. (The rest is largely from data licensing.) This means that you, the Twitter user, are not Twitter’s customers. You are its product. Its customers are corporate advertisers and, as every businessperson knows, the customer is always right. Grocery stores care about the people shopping for Cheetos, not about the feelings of the Cheetos themselves.

It's a well-known fact to those who are paying attention, but I am astonished that he was so transparent about it.  If something's free, you're the product.

Free gmail and search can be useful, but there's a reason you get ads for "bags of dicks" soon after a google search for Bob Stoops or Brent Venables. 

[wildcat09 29453]

9 hours ago, Laxtonto said:

Looks like Musk fired the entire csuite for cause per the NY Times

 

Going to be real fun to see how this progresses and makes me wonder if this is tied to the bots and the SEC filings.

It’s tied to Elon not wanting to pay their severance packages. How it plays out is that they’ll sue and get their money.

Edited October 30, 2022 by wildcat09

[Neonmoon 38130]

Twitter ain’t going to last long if the CEO is spreading conspiracy theories 

[Jkwellborn 6878]

Jesus 
 

He gonna get suicided.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13540]

Not paying severance packages sends a very strong signal to employees.

I’ve always thought severance packages are really more about reassuring current employees as opposed to compensating someone walking out the door. No company cares about someone that doesn’t work there anymore. You care about telling current employees that you will take care of them if the time comes where they are forced to leave.

of course, if Elon threatens or withholds compensation, his fanbois will cheer a billionaire sticking it to millionaires. 

Edited October 30, 2022 by Nice Guy Eddie

[SizzleChest 8295]

I'll take "Shit That was Completely Fucking Inevitable" for $1000, Alex.

[pantone159 719]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

It’s tied to Elon not wanting to pay their severance packages. How it plays out is that they’ll sue and get their money.

Yeah, while Elon will try and make up some BS as cause for firing them, it will in fact be BS and with no substance. With normal peon employees, he might get away with that, but I suspect Twitter's General Counsel will understand how to work the legal system on this one.

The employees that are being laid off immediately, and the timing for this is also to avoid some bonuses (stock vesting I think), may have more challenge in navigating the legal system.

[Neonmoon 38130]

14 minutes ago, pantone159 said:

Yeah, while Elon will try and make up some BS as cause for firing them, it will in fact be BS and with no substance. With normal peon employees, he might get away with that, but I suspect Twitter's General Counsel will understand how to work the legal system on this one.

The employees that are being laid off immediately, and the timing for this is also to avoid some bonuses (stock vesting I think), may have more challenge in navigating the legal system.

Not just c suite 

 

[Neonmoon 38130]

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13540]

I heard an interesting analogy. If you host a party where your invitations include people that others want to avoid because of their behavior, how do you think that party ends?  Do you think the reasonable half will influence the out of the control half to behave?

twitter will only have any possible financial success if Elon creates a method to ignore the trash. Maybe then advertisers and normal users remain. Otherwise Twitter disappears within 2 years.

if you have an advertising budget for twitter ads today, are you thinking of keeping the budget the same, raising it, or lowering it? No legitimate business is considering raising it today. At best, you’re keeping it the same but most likely you’re considering lowering it.

[Captainant 27973]

27 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Not just c suite 

LBO that saddles the company with debt, immediately start firing employees to cut costs (and possibly instigate legal action), invite users back that drive away advertising dollars, Elon is managing the SHIT out of twitter lol. He truly is owning all those libz, right @Macklemore??

[Celery Man 21027]

4 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Jesus 

 

Lol

This guy could have a bugatti w-16 for a brain and it wouldn’t matter. It’s filled with cheeto dust.

[Macklemore 2881]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

LBO that saddles the company with debt, immediately start firing employees to cut costs (and possibly instigate legal action), invite users back that drive away advertising dollars, Elon is managing the SHIT out of twitter lol. He truly is owning all those libz, right @Macklemore??

I don’t care. I was shitcanned years ago after a company I worked for got bought and was in line for a large bonus that the  new owners stiffed me on. I think the C-suite will be fine with their multi-million dollar parachutes. What I do care about is right wing voices being heard and not shadowbanned. The Guardian pearl clutching article is so on point for them. That Britain First account has been suspended again.

Edited October 30, 2022 by Macklemore

[Dbeasy 15233]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I heard an interesting analogy. If you host a party where your invitations include people that others want to avoid because of their behavior, how do you think that party ends?  Do you think the reasonable half will influence the out of the control half to behave?

twitter will only have any possible financial success if Elon creates a method to ignore the trash. Maybe then advertisers and normal users remain. Otherwise Twitter disappears within 2 years.

if you have an advertising budget for twitter ads today, are you thinking of keeping the budget the same, raising it, or lowering it? No legitimate business is considering raising it today. At best, you’re keeping it the same but most likely you’re considering lowering it.

The C Suite is full of conservatives who love Elon taking over. They may in fact direct more ad dollars now to Twitter. 

[YChang 3472]

19 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

I don’t care. I was shitcanned years ago after a company I worked for got bought and was in line for a large bonus that the  new owners stiffed me on. I think the C-suite will be fine with their multi-million dollar parachutes. What I do care about is right wing voices being heard and not shadowbanned. The Guardian pearl clutching article is so on point for them. That Britain First account has been suspended again.

So as an adherent, why is the current state of right wing viewpoints so hateful? And does it not bother you at all?

[Homercles 10206]

I’ll never understand what that ‘keep conservative voices from being silenced’ outcry is all about in the age of the internet.  There are endless ways to get your ‘message out’.  
 

On top of that, there’s tons of sane conservative voices that don’t get banned…it’s both ‘n-word +500%’ troll crowd and ‘just asking questions but here’s a false conspiracy theory that’s dangerous to gullible people and leads them to physically attack people’ that tag along as a toxic mass.  It’s a never ending victim complex that shovels hateful, angry drivel in spades. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13540]

52 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

The C Suite is full of conservatives who love Elon taking over. They may in fact direct more ad dollars now to Twitter. 

C-level doesn’t get involved in day to day marketing decisions except in small companies. And if a ceo has a strong opinion about Elon and Twitter, I doubt they’re leading anything more than a company of 5 people.

[Macanudo 13092]

43 minutes ago, YChang said:

So as an adherent, why is the current state of right wing viewpoints so hateful? And does it not bother you at all?

Because as a Log Cabin Republican, he hasn't figured out yet that the GQP hates him.

[Captainant 27973]

1 hour ago, Macklemore said:

What I do care about is right wing voices being heard and not shadowbanned.

You're right, we're much better off debating the validity of slavery and how the gays are converting your children. That's about the sum of what we're missing out on. Watch the drunk uncle bit from last night's SNL to fill in the rest of the blanks

[Macanudo 13092]

2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

C-level doesn’t get involved in day to day marketing decisions except in small companies. And if a ceo has a strong opinion about Elon and Twitter, I doubt they’re leading anything more than a company of 5 people.

Are you sure about that?   There is a lot of money being poured into politics by wealthy right wing nut job CEOs.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13540]

7 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Are you sure about that?   There is a lot of money being poured into politics by wealthy right wing nut job CEOs.

I would think that the vast majority of Twitter advertisers dollars are related to basic products and services and not political messages. The basic ads are the ones that will be remaining at the same budget but more likely decreasing their spending.

[Captainant 27973]

Genuinely shocking to see a mask off christian nationalist fascist proudly advocating for expansion of his views. Texags, sure no duh. But on a Texas board? Yikes. 

[bolverk 29822]

1 hour ago, YChang said:

So as an adherent, why is the current state of right wing viewpoints so hateful? And does it not bother you at all?

You're asking this of a hateful extremist who once stated his desire to stand atop the border wall and shoot migrants.

[YChang 3472]

1 hour ago, Macklemore said:

The GOP electoral strategy is to be in opposition to the Democratic agenda. We still haven’t vanquished the old guard RINO ideology so that’s why the message is muddled. It frustrates me too that the populist/nationalist ideology hasn’t been uniformly adopted and espoused.

Mack! Er… that’s really terrifying. I’m not white. I’m not a Christian. Goodness… y’all really want to see a system of 2n/3rd class citizens?!

Edited October 30, 2022 by YChang

[Storm the Field 5305]

7 hours ago, Captainant said:

Jfc Elon needs to get off of twitter lol. Homeboy is getting the workswithseed info feed

He appears to have deleted his tweet (without comment) after people pointed out that his "newspaper" source has previously claimed that Hillary is dead and was switched with a body double for the 2016 campaign. Ironic, given that Musk sent it to Hillary Clinton.

[Brisketexan 105579]

Mack! Er… that’s really terrifying. I’m not white. I’m not a Christian. Goodness… y’all really want to see a system of 2n/3rd class citizens?!

Yes….that’s exactly what they want. These people MASTURBATE to A Handmaids Tale, they don’t think it’s cautionary.

[Samson's Wig 3195]

7 hours ago, boilerhorn said:

In Elon's post acquisition screed, one thing stood out:

 

It's a well-known fact to those who are paying attention, but I am astonished that he was so transparent about it.  If something's free, you're the product.

Free gmail and search can be useful, but there's a reason you get ads for "bags of dicks" soon after a google search for Bob Stoops or Brent Venables. 

I'm sorry sir or madam, but visionaries here have made it clear that Twitter is home to the brightest minds in the world, where they trade barbs, learn from each other, and laugh at the remaining 96% of humanity that doesn't join them in their high minded ribaldry.  It is simply impossible that they are bunch of rubes who enjoy the sound of their own voice echoing back at them so much that they would sacrifice privacy and integrity for something as base as a capitalist endeavor.  

Sarcasm aside, I continue to be amazed how many Twitter fanboys have their heads every bit as far up their own asses as Musk does.  Trying to justify a platform as something high-minded when it is largely utilized to disseminate porn (just like the rest of the Internet) is hilarious.  No one gives a fuck about anyone's tweet unless it drives eyeballs for advertisers.  That dopamine rush you get when you post something clever or think you've interacted with someone important is nothing more than the cheese luring a mouse to a trap.  What a fucking utopia of brilliant minds.

[Macklemore 2881]

20 minutes ago, YChang said:

Mack! Er… that’s really terrifying. I’m not white. I’m not a Christian. Goodness… y’all really want to see a system of 2n/3rd class citizens?!

Why do you assume the worst? What we’re wanting is a coherent immigration policy. You’re a citizen you won’t be impacted. The “scary” programs we’re for are subsidies and help for working families and those having children. Concentration camps are not far behind with those policies. In only the most hyperbolic mind. Orban’s Hungary is the inspiration - not Hitler’s Germany.

Edited October 30, 2022 by Macklemore

[Samson's Wig 3195]

Holy shit. Orban's Hungary?  I can't tell if you're joking or not.

[Brisketexan 105579]

Holy shit. Orban's Hungary?  I can't tell if you're joking or not.

He’s not. And he’s too dumb to realize that the only difference is degree. Orban: a dude who thinks Putin gets things right. That’s who he idolizes.

[SizzleChest 8295]

7 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Why do you assume the worst? What we’re wanting is a coherent immigration policy. You’re a citizen you won’t be impacted. The “scary” programs we’re for are subsidies and help for working families and those having children. Concentration camps are not far behind with those policies. In only the most hyperbolic mind. Orban’s Hungary is the inspiration - not Hitler’s Germany.

 

[YChang 3472]

9 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Why do you assume the worst? What we’re wanting is a coherent immigration policy. You’re a citizen you won’t be impacted. The “scary” programs we’re for are subsidies and help for working families and those having children. Concentration camps are not far behind with those policies. In only the most hyperbolic mind. Orban’s Hungary is the inspiration - not Hitler’s Germany.

Could I be wrong/too pessimistic? Maybe. Maybe not. Likely not and that’s mainly based on the politicians offered up as thought leaders of the right espousing not exactly benign rhetoric and ideas.

[956 Worldwide 34931]

3 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Why do you assume the worst? What we’re wanting is a coherent immigration policy. You’re a citizen you won’t be impacted. The “scary” programs we’re for are subsidies and help for working families and those having children. Concentration camps are not far behind with those policies. In only the most hyperbolic mind. Orban’s Hungary is the inspiration - not Hitler’s Germany.

Orban’s Hungary is a cesspool of corruption and backdealing.  A lot of red meat to the rubes to get them to look the other way while the Fidesz mob loots the treasury. His policies have not led to a single, solitary data point of having helped Hungarian demographics, stopped migration (no one wants to migrate to Hungary and now that it’s politically useful to let them through, he is funneling them to Western Europe), or make the Hungarian economy perform an iota better than its saner neighbors with similar demographics and labor forces. It’s all a smoke and mirror show for the idiots. 
 

I really just can’t deal anymore with Americans who buy this bullshit the simulation is all fucked.  American conservatives with their nose up the ass of a corrupt Central European sleazeball and begging for subsidies, WTF. 

[Macklemore 2881]

Just now, YChang said:

Could I be wrong/too pessimistic? Maybe. Maybe not. Likely not and that’s mainly based on the politicians offered up as thought leaders of the right espousing not exactly benign rhetoric and ideas.

Start reading Compact magazine and Postliberal Order substack to get more info on the thought leaders of our movement.

https://compactmag.com
https://postliberalorder.substack.com

 

[Willfully Horn 8091]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna52842

 

Amazing, the ability of some folks to not recognize the shit they are ingesting.

[Homercles 10206]

14 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Start reading Compact magazine and Postliberal Order substack to get more info on the thought leaders of our movement.

https://compactmag.com
https://postliberalorder.substack.com