Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

I spent $400 on a kid’s dresser and dinged it during the assembly and it really shook me.

Hope Elmo is doing ok.

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9 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Twitter is effectively running on auto-pilot with little or no oversight with regard to security concerns or anything else due to the massive amounts of irreparable damage Elon has done in a couple of weeks. It's complete and utter madness what he's doing. I knew he was an idiot, but I never thought he was dumb enough to do some of the things he's done in the past couple of weeks. It's mesmerizing.

I would be willing to bet that Musk has no idea how critical Twitter is to the news media.  So many of them use it as a part of their daily workflow.

If he takes Twitter down, he will be hard-pressed to get positive coverage for SpaceX, Tesla, Boring, etc. in the future. 

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I would be willing to bet that Musk has no idea how critical Twitter is to the news media.  So many of them use it as a part of their daily workflow.

If he takes Twitter down, he will be hard-pressed to get positive coverage for SpaceX, Tesla, Boring, etc. in the future. 

That's my favorite part of this. If he somehow fucks up Twitter so bad that he can't use it to pump It up Tesla, then it gets real interesting for elmo. House of cards could come crashing down.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Grade of D as in David
Drunk

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[Orale 1087]

In the event it becomes unusable, where does everyone go? You'd think some rich tech guys are working around the clock on something to replace it. I don't care for Instagram, don't have Facebook, and have no idea how tiktok works. Reddit's a weird interface and I looked at Mastodon just now and closed it 30 seconds later completely confused. It'll be interesting to watch the race to be the new twitter. I only got on it during the 2020 election and am embarrassed how much time I've spent on it since then. I think my life will be better without it. Thank god for Surly. 

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1 hour ago, Orale said:

In the event it becomes unusable, where does everyone go? You'd think some rich tech guys are working around the clock on something to replace it. I don't care for Instagram, don't have Facebook, and have no idea how tiktok works.

Since Facebook got big, there’s been hundreds, or thousands of attempts at the next major social media platform, but it’s weird that nobody has cracked it,

I feel like TikToks days are numbered because of the data collection, etc,

tumblr may come back, but they need a killer app.  They are probably very busy right now

1 hour ago, Orale said:

I looked at Mastodon just now and closed it 30 seconds later completely confused. 

 

[956 Worldwide 34746]

5 hours ago, Chopper said:

Not to be overly dramatic but it's a war on democracy and truth. Certain people in society can't stand to be fact-checked and their solution is to own or blackmail the media and/or medium.

That dude was joking. If you scroll his timeline you can see.
https://twitter.com/anothercohen  it was a damn good one though

 

He’s already gone back and added a gray check “official account” to certain blue check accounts. Basically, he discovered he needed the thing he thought he didn’t need. 

[956 Worldwide 34746]

5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I would be willing to bet that Musk has no idea how critical Twitter is to the news media.  So many of them use it as a part of their daily workflow.

If he takes Twitter down, he will be hard-pressed to get positive coverage for SpaceX, Tesla, Boring, etc. in the future. 

I think that he does and that the value of killing a source of reliable information about him, his companies, and his investors (Saudis) might be at least 44 billion. 

[G650 14273]

Mastodon is essentially a diffuse Twitter. They really need to get the front end more integrated to make it convenient enough to use

[Captainant 27727]

6 minutes ago, G650 said:

Mastodon is essentially a diffuse Twitter. They really need to get the front end more integrated to make it convenient enough to use

Mastodon is what happens when a bunch of engineers build a social media site lol. It's very modern and efficient, but damned if anyone knows how to use it lol. The simplicity of twitter is its greatest limitation and greatest strength. 

I can't wait to see how complicated twitter 2.0 is, if it is at all

[G650 14273]

8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Mastodon is what happens when a bunch of engineers build a social media site lol.

Right? I was literally thinking that on my way into the office a few minutes ago

[MonkeyDoughnut 10352]

7 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Tell me you're completely clueless about the national security implications of the Twitter deal and the subsequent destruction of Twitter (and it's user safeguards) by a petulant, baboon brained manchild without telling me.

It's okay to be a dumbass, but maybe just sit this one out if you can't find 5 minutes of your day to learn something that doesn't involve sniffing glue.

I have a Twitter account, but I certainly don't use it much. However, I'm very aware of how important Twitter is as a communications tool. For fuck's sake, the literal day he implemented his retarded fucking Twitter Blue idea, a fake account posted a tweet that cost a company billions of dollars in market cap. Don't get me wrong, fuck Eli Lilly, but it's just an example of the impact a single tweet can have on the world.

Having trouble reconciling such an important tool that people won't pay a few dollars a month for. (I.e. great if free but like hell if well pay you anything in order to keep your employees)

[Bookman 4639]

"Mastadon" is a terrible name for a twitter-like social media network.

[Buzzrock 14936]

But a great metal band name

[Celery Man 20996]

I lived with the drummer for Mammoth Grinder for a while. I should start an app.

[Buzzrock 14936]

More stellar reporting this morning: GMA said “mass resignations” and then followed up with “we don’t know how many.”

Squawk Box said dozens.

[Celery Man 20996]

I also agree that Mastodon seems too complicated to be the new Twitter, although it also seems like the current leader in the clubhouse. I think that the server you choose isn’t ultimately that important, and that a good default is mastodon.social

 

i installed it, but it’s mostly sitting there dormant like Twitter usually was for me.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Celery Man

[wildcat09 29376]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I think that he does and that the value of killing a source of reliable information about him, his companies, and his investors (Saudis) might be at least 44 billion. 

I don’t think the plan was to kill Twitter. He thought he could reshape it to promote messages he liked and bury messages he didn’t. He fucked up because he never understood Twitter, can’t understand people, and thought he could run an established company in which none of its employees had any stake in its growth the same way he ran startups that promised shitloads of stock to early employees who grinded to build the company.

This is hubris, not genius.

Edited November 18, 2022 by wildcat09

[Celery Man 20996]

It would be fun if it was an actual mass walkout, but my hunch is that it was much less that than reported.

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5 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

It would be fun if it was an actual mass walkout, but my hunch is that it was much less that than reported.

He gave them 24 hours notice that they’d have to now work more hours for him, otherwise they get three months pay to find a new job.

[wildcat09 29376]

The entire payroll department reportedly quit and he locked everyone out of the building, but yeah, I’m sure things are fine actually.

[Bateshorn 9929]

As long as it limps along and people keep seeing posts, we will eventually see “Twitters demise is overstated” articles.  But I question whether the content curation to keep the Nazis and racists out, and the ad analytics running for revenue can continue at such reduced levels of staffing.

And none of that addresses the bad financials of Elmo’s actual Twitter purchase (I.e. the vig he owes his investors).  The trick with Musk is to ignore his tweets and pay attention to what he’s doing financially with Tesla and SpaceX, which this month include another stock sale/margin call and a proposed round of fund raising. That tells me he’s in a cash crunch.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Bateshorn

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4 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

As long as it limps along and people keep seeing posts, we will eventually see “Twitters demise is overstated” articles.  But I question whether the content curation to keep the Nazis and racists out, and the ad analytics running for revenue can continue at such reduced levels of staffing.

And none of that addresses the bad financials of Elmo’s actual Twitter purchase (I.e. the vig he owes his investors)

He added a billion in debt to it and is actively driving away its biggest revenue stream, when it already hasn’t been profitable in a couple of years.

I don’t know how long he can or will keep it going at a loss.  There’s no government contracts in the pipeline, and maybe the Saudis and Chinese will pay him for access to data, but it won’t be enough,

[wildcat09 29376]

5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

He added a billion in debt to it and is actively driving away its biggest revenue stream, when it already hasn’t been profitable in a couple of years.

I don’t know how long he can or will keep it going at a loss.  There’s no government contracts in the pipeline, and maybe the Saudis and Chinese will pay him for access to data, but it won’t be enough,

He added $13 billion in debt.

[Pig Bellmont 8724]

7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

The editor who chose the pictures for that lawsuit story about pay: 

[G650 14273]

31 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

can’t understand people,

This is the root of it all

[Goredho 17413]

50 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

I lived with the drummer for Mammoth Grinder for a while. I should start an app.

Well, you have a great morbidly obese gay hookup app name going for you.

[Humble Beast 258]

Ok. It’s our weekly Twitter status check.  I logged to find it’s still running, despite warnings to the contrary. I guess it’s supposed to be dead for sure by the end of the weekend. 

Here’a a different opinion.

 

 

[Brian Fantana 6690]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Having trouble reconciling such an important tool that people won't pay a few dollars a month for. (I.e. great if free but like hell if well pay you anything in order to keep your employees)

What the fuck does this post even mean

[Celery Man 20996]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Having trouble reconciling such an important tool that people won't pay a few dollars a month for. (I.e. great if free but like hell if well pay you anything in order to keep your employees)

You fundamentally misunderstand what is happening with the outrage over the “$8/mo=blue check” thing.

[Celery Man 20996]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

He gave them 24 hours notice that they’d have to now work more hours for him, otherwise they get three months pay to find a new job.

Extremely random but someone necro repped an ancient reply where surveys indicate that single people on avg are having sex like twice a month. You said that sounded crazy low, I countered that lots of people are doing no fucking at all. I suspect that lots of people even in high demand jobs  (although, huge layoffs going on in faang right now) do no fucking, both literally and metaphorically.

 

sorry, the above is not super comprehensible - was filling up my car. I'm with you on the "I would walk right the fuck out of there". employees absolutely should. talented engineers can find new work. I think people are very risk averse and while there were almost certainly a lot of people who didn't take the deal yesterday, I bet there were a lot who either did with the idea that it was a safer bet (while they look for new jobs) or did because they are actually terrified of having to replace their job.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Celery Man

[Hefeweizen 5328]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Having trouble reconciling such an important tool that people won't pay a few dollars a month for. (I.e. great if free but like hell if well pay you anything in order to keep your employees)

It’s not an important tool.

 

 It’s a fucking blight with a few positives that are rapidly disappearing.  With add revenue gone, it’s going to become a hobby, not a business.   
 

Which frankly, makes a lot more sense.  Hobbies don’t have to have a P&L.  They can be picked up and set down at Elmo’s leisure.  But it’s not a business anymore.  The problem for him is if he thinks it is a business.  All he has left to monetize is data.  And its value decreases over time if use drops.

[Goredho 17413]

The emperor has no clothes.

And he’s a hermaphrodite.

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33 minutes ago, Humble Beast said:

Ok. It’s our weekly Twitter status check.  I logged to find it’s still running, despite warnings to the contrary. I guess it’s supposed to be dead for sure by the end of the weekend. 
Here’a a different opinion.

Forget the opinions, here’s some facts:   It’s been a few years since it was profitable, and for most of its existence, it has not turned a profit. Musk has saddled it with additional debt.  Musk made policy changes that drove away a chunk of its biggest revenue stream.  Musk’s $8 solution to losing advertisers doesn’t come close to making up their revenue, and in fact contributed to the revenue streams slowing down or stopping with some companies.

Oh, and the biggest problem with generating revenue are the policy changes Musk made, things that affect human beings, but he thinks he can make software changes to make it to be profitable. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[texasdago 7577]

11 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

It’s not an important tool.

 

 It’s a fucking blight with a few positives that are rapidly disappearing.  With add revenue gone, it’s going to become a hobby, not a business.   
 

Which frankly, makes a lot more sense.  Hobbies don’t have to have a P&L.  They can be picked up and set down at Elmo’s leisure.  But it’s not a business anymore.  The problem for him is if he thinks it is a business.  All he has left to monetize is data.  And its value decreases over time if use drops.

It definitely has big issues but it a very important tool used by all kinds of legitimate organizations, experts and resources to disseminate information easily and in a very accessible manner.  Just look at how Twitter is used during emergencies, natural disasters, wars, etc.  It helps people get critical information.  

 

Someone just needs to recreate Twitter, call it Flapper or Stonker or whatever and get people to move over without an Elon or Ellison or Jack or whatever in charge.

 

Say what you will about Bezos - he wouldn't have screwed it up like this.

[HornOnTheBayou 8945]

41 minutes ago, Humble Beast said:

Ok. It’s our weekly Twitter status check.  I logged to find it’s still running, despite warnings to the contrary. I guess it’s supposed to be dead for sure by the end of the weekend. 

Here’a a different opinion.

 

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10352]

3 minutes ago, texasdago said:

It definitely has big issues but it a very important tool used by all kinds of legitimate organizations, experts and resources to disseminate information easily and in a very accessible manner.  Just look at how Twitter is used during emergencies, natural disasters, wars, etc.  It helps people get critical information.  

 

Someone just needs to recreate Twitter, call it Flapper or Stonker or whatever and get people to move over without an Elon or Ellison or Jack or whatever in charge.

 

Say what you will about Bezos - he wouldn't have screwed it up like this.

With the responsibility and liability governments have thrown on Twitter no way anyone with half a brain is going to enter that market space. It's a money loser before you even start.

[NoName 16369]

1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

I lived with the drummer for Mammoth Grinder for a while. I should start an app.

[G650 14273]

8 minutes ago, texasdago said:

It definitely has big issues but it a very important tool used by all kinds of legitimate organizations, experts and resources to disseminate information easily and in a very accessible manner.  Just look at how Twitter is used during emergencies, natural disasters, wars, etc.  It helps people get critical information.  

 

Someone just needs to recreate Twitter, call it Flapper or Stonker or whatever and get people to move over without an Elon or Ellison or Jack or whatever in charge.

 

Say what you will about Bezos - he wouldn't have screwed it up like this.

I don't like Bezos, but he is one capable motherfucker

[NoName 16369]

11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Forget the opinions, here’s some facts:   It’s been a few years since it was profitable, and for most of its existence, it has not turned a profit. Musk has saddled it with additional debt.  Musk made policy changes that drove away a chunk of its biggest revenue stream.  Musk’s $8 solution to losing advertisers doesn’t come close to making up their revenue, and in fact contributed to the revenue streams slowing down or stopping with some companies.

Oh, and the biggest problem with generating revenue are the policy changes Musk made, things that affect human beings, but he thinks he can make software changes to make it to be profitable. 

let's add some numbers in here for context.

I believe they were profitable for two years in their existence.

Last year Twitter had a little over $5 billion in revenue, 89% (!) of that was based on selling ads.

Elon added about $1 billion in debt service per year to the business.

 

[HenryJames 66160]

9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

https://twitter.com/TheRock/status/64877987341938688

 

Also this:

 

[Brisketexan 105274]

What the fuck does this post even mean

It means he doesn’t understand the model of Twitter…or Facebook…or radio….or network TV.

Platforms that make their money from ads need viewers. Charging the viewers….to generate orders of magnitude LESS revenue than ads do…necessarily costing you many eyes that won’t pay…is not smart.

[Fudge Nuggets 19211]

14 hours ago, Constant said:

It makes me feel crazy but I’m pretty sure he spent 44 billion dollars to destroy an app. 

And get dunked on non-stop by internet trolls.  Worth it.

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30 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Platforms that make their money from ads need viewers. Charging the viewers….to generate orders of magnitude LESS revenue than ads do…necessarily costing you many eyes that won’t pay…is not smart.

Not only do they need viewers, they need content that doesn’t actively drive away advertisers, they need people to be able to trust those that claim to be legit, and they need policies that don’t directly fuck with advertisers (the Eli Lilly insulin fiasco).  And they don’t need Elon publicly threatening to reveal advertisers who pulled or paused their ads as if he’s going to sic his fanboys on them, or Elon just acting shitty with advertisers in general.  He needs advertisers more than they need him

Oh, and if advertisers are spending millions, they want stability, not somebody making changes to the live platform to see what happens..

I was in the tech industry for nearly 20 years, and am still somewhat involved, and I encountered many tech bro types like Elon that thought of everything in terms of black or white, 1s or 0s.  Musk thought he’d bring “free speech” to the most visible public square around, but he he came in without a solid understanding of what free speech actually is (and yes, it includes things such as parody) or even what the Constitution has to say (and where the Constitution doesn’t apply) and he didn’t understand why advertisers didn’t love his changes.

Free speech to Musk was either 1 or 0, on or off, and he didn’t understand the nuances behind it, so he got upset at the parody accounts and threatened to ban them unless they labeled themselves as such, because Musk doesn’t get humor or parody very well.  He wants you to say anything you want, but only if you say it in the way he wants you to say it, which is not the wide-open Wild West free speech he thinks he’s promoting,

And when Musk threatened to reveal advertisers who were pulling or pausing their spending, he failed to see the humans behind those companies who got really fucking pissed that he threatened them.  He just saw them as problems that annoyed him, not as the companies who would determine whether he can make a profit or lose money.

And unfortunately because he doesn’t understand nuanced issues very well, he’s decided he can engineer his way out of the financial mess, as if Twitter is just a rocket booster that needs to land, and he just needs the right software fix to make that happen.

As if simplifying the interface or speeding it up slightly, or reducing the amount of bandwidth needed, will bring billions of dollars to the platform.  Twitter is a people problem, not a software problem.  

[Brisketexan 105274]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Twitter is a people problem, not a software problem.  

Perfect TLDR summary.  And the key to why Elon is repeatedly stepping on his dick.  

Twitter is a medium FOR human behavior, and it's product IS human behavior (eyes on screens, in a way that's attractive to advertisers).  Engineering is the means of DELIVERING that product, just like engineering flat screen TVs and broadcast signals and HD cameras is the engineering that delivers "The Bachelor."

People are messy.  They defy engineering and binary reasoning.  Lawyers see this all the time when it comes to laws and regulations that are drafted.  Make them too rigid, and you often break the very thing you are trying to protect.  Make them too narrow, and there are so many ways to get around the law that the law fails in its essential purpose.  Make them too broad, and you end up banning conduct you never meant to ban.  A good "law" makes clear enough what is allowed/prohibited, states clearly its intent to guide interpretation and application of the law, and leaves some margin for human judgment: by the public, by the courts, etc.

Presenting and regulating speech, even on a private platform, IS REALLY FUCKING HARD BECAUSE BRIGHT LINE RULES ARE IMPOSSIBLE.  For example, it's good business to ban hate speech.  Most sane people would agree with that rule.  And we have no problem with deciding that "The nazis were right, all jews should be exterminated" is hate speech.  Just like we have no problem with deciding that "you are foolish, and your ideas are wrong" is not hate speech.  But it gets REALLY fucking messy as you get closer to a midline.  There can be no easy bright line.  Someone who thinks only like an engineer -- particularly someone who may have underlying psychological issues that prevent him from being fully funcitonal when it comes to social interaction (someone on the spectrum, like Elon) -- just can't conceive of that.  They may SAY that they can, but what they REALLY think is that "no engineer as brilliant as I am has ever tried to tackle this problem -- I am the genius who will come up with the perfect approach to make this easy-peasy."  Ultimate hubris.

TLDR version; engineers can build rockets.  Other people are the ones who convince astronauts to strap themselves INTO the giant explosive that every rocket is.  Elon needs "other people," and he needs to let them do their jobs.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

Imagine, for a second, coming to this site and mocking the notion that Twitter is in a free fall and your evidence against that notion is that the site hasn't gone completely offline.

Kudos?

[NoName 16369]

 

[Pig Bellmont 8724]

20 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Not only do they need viewers, they need content that doesn’t actively drive away advertisers, they need people to be able to trust those that claim to be legit, and they need policies that don’t directly fuck with advertisers (the Eli Lilly insulin fiasco).  And they don’t need Elon publicly threatening to reveal advertisers who pulled or paused their ads as if he’s going to sic his fanboys on them, or Elon just acting shitty with advertisers in general.  He needs advertisers more than they need him

Oh, and if advertisers are spending millions, they want stability, not somebody making changes to the live platform to see what happens..

I was in the tech industry for nearly 20 years, and am still somewhat involved, and I encountered many tech bro types like Elon that thought of everything in terms of black or white, 1s or 0s.  Musk thought he’d bring “free speech” to the most visible public square around, but he he came in without a solid understanding of what free speech actually is (and yes, it includes things such as parody) or even what the Constitution has to say (and where the Constitution doesn’t apply) and he didn’t understand why advertisers didn’t love his changes.

Free speech to Musk was either 1 or 0, on or off, and he didn’t understand the nuances behind it, so he got upset at the parody accounts and threatened to ban them unless they labeled themselves as such, because Musk doesn’t get humor or parody very well.  He wants you to say anything you want, but only if you say it in the way he wants you to say it, which is not the wide-open Wild West free speech he thinks he’s promoting,

And when Musk threatened to reveal advertisers who were pulling or pausing their spending, he failed to see the humans behind those companies who got really fucking pissed that he threatened them.  He just saw them as problems that annoyed him, not as the companies who would determine whether he can make a profit or lose money.

And unfortunately because he doesn’t understand nuanced issues very well, he’s decided he can engineer his way out of the financial mess, as if Twitter is just a rocket booster that needs to land, and he just needs the right software fix to make that happen.

As if simplifying the interface or speeding it up slightly, or reducing the amount of bandwidth needed, will bring billions of dollars to the platform.  Twitter is a people problem, not a software problem.  

He never wanted free speech. He just wanted amplification for his right wing troll agenda, which is shown by him hanging out in the mentions of LibsOfTikTok and Kyle Rittenhouse while the company burns down around him. 
 

It started out as a 44 billion dollar toy, but now it’s a constant public display of ego and embarrassment 

[Goredho 17413]

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Perfect TLDR summary.  And the key to why Elon is repeatedly stepping on his dick.  

Twitter is a medium FOR human behavior, and it's product IS human behavior (eyes on screens, in a way that's attractive to advertisers).  Engineering is the means of DELIVERING that product, just like engineering flat screen TVs and broadcast signals and HD cameras is the engineering that delivers "The Bachelor."

People are messy.  They defy engineering and binary reasoning.  Lawyers see this all the time when it comes to laws and regulations that are drafted.  Make them too rigid, and you often break the very thing you are trying to protect.  Make them too narrow, and there are so many ways to get around the law that the law fails in its essential purpose.  Make them too broad, and you end up banning conduct you never meant to ban.  A good "law" makes clear enough what is allowed/prohibited, states clearly its intent to guide interpretation and application of the law, and leaves some margin for human judgment: by the public, by the courts, etc.

Presenting and regulating speech, even on a private platform, IS REALLY FUCKING HARD BECAUSE BRIGHT LINE RULES ARE IMPOSSIBLE.  For example, it's good business to ban hate speech.  Most sane people would agree with that rule.  And we have no problem with deciding that "The nazis were right, all jews should be exterminated" is hate speech.  Just like we have no problem with deciding that "you are foolish, and your ideas are wrong" is not hate speech.  But it gets REALLY fucking messy as you get closer to a midline.  There can be no easy bright line.  Someone who thinks only like an engineer -- particularly someone who may have underlying psychological issues that prevent him from being fully funcitonal when it comes to social interaction (someone on the spectrum, like Elon) -- just can't conceive of that.  They may SAY that they can, but what they REALLY think is that "no engineer as brilliant as I am has ever tried to tackle this problem -- I am the genius who will come up with the perfect approach to make this easy-peasy."  Ultimate hubris.

TLDR version; engineers can build rockets.  Other people are the ones who convince astronauts to strap themselves INTO the giant explosive that every rocket is.  Elon needs "other people," and he needs to let them do their jobs.

Counterpoint from CEO Strangelove:

 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

3 minutes ago, NoName said:

 

Haha yeah this.

the @Humble Beast’s are actually beating their chests that <checks notes>…the site is still online.

Well done, Elmo. A true genius!