Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

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NSIAP

Legal Eagle runs down the (as of the time of his video) many, many legal issues Musk now faces:

 

[F250 28806]

5 hours ago, G650 said:

I was actually talking to a friend of mine the other day and we were reminiscing about how there use to be a ridiculous amount of L Ron Hubbard ads back in the 80s. Good times.

Lots of Dianetics commercials back in the 80's.

 

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5 hours ago, G650 said:

I was actually talking to a friend of mine the other day and we were reminiscing about how there use to be a ridiculous amount of L Ron Hubbard ads back in the 80s. Good times.

16 minutes ago, F250 said:

Lots of Dianetics commercials back in the 80's.

If they had the kind of advertising nowadays that they had back then, combined with social media campaigns and people like Tom Cruise, etc. promoting it publicly, I wonder how popular they’d be.

Chick tracts were more entertaining, even if they were boring old black and white mini-comic books, but those Dianetics commercials with the volcano gushing, they could go hard.

[dcbc 14497]

This seems eerily familiar to the time that Eskimo douche acquired a forum, but all the people bailed and filled the forum up with scat porn.  How long before Elong is the only one posting over there like 8badmofo?

[royiv 9333]

8 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Tesla's current cars are 7 years old right? Zero replacements or new products except the Cybertruck which may not even be built. 

The Model S is seriously long in the tooth at this point. Is the Tesla business model to never update design except for some superficial cosmetic updates?

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1 hour ago, royiv said:

The Model S is seriously long in the tooth at this point. Is the Tesla business model to never update design except for some superficial cosmetic updates?

Either they don't have the resources to put out new models more often (is it the cost/scale of updating the tooling, etc.?) or they are just small and hyper-focused on a couple of models and self-driving stuff.

There are stories (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/investing/tesla-profitability/index.html) that they don't make money on the cars, and instead make money selling the zero-emission credits to other car makers.

Which seems like it would be bad that Ford, GM, etc. are going big on electric - those profits from selling credits will dry up fast.

I've wondered by Tesla wasn't making a small electric delivery vehicle (not that Cybertruck bullshit).  Something like the old Honda Element, but electric.  Seems like a lot of places in cities would buy them.

[Upgrayedd 5818]

5 hours ago, Chopper said:

So the new twitter competitor, post.news is pretty elegant. That's the one Noam Bardin, former CEO of Waze just started. Somehow I received an invite, which I think must have been an error on their end. It's missing a lot of functionality that they're still working on, and so far they've only let in 10,000 to 15,000 active users. Adam Kinzinger was the first politician to join/be allowed in, and that was just today. They're encouraging users to use real names and/or real photos as their profile pic. And apparently the big hangup currently about allowing more users in is the need to ramp up their moderation capability.

What about porn?  They got that?

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Either they don't have the resources to put out new models more often (is it the cost/scale of updating the tooling, etc.?) or they are just small and hyper-focused on a couple of models and self-driving stuff.

What's crazy is Tesla's self driving automation classification of level 2 is the same as new Honda Accords and Civics. 

Mercedes in Germany and Honda in Japan became the first fully certified Level 3 autonomous driving system approved for road use.

Tesla fans act like their autopilot and self driving systems are way ahead of competitors which just seems to be buying Elon hype to me.

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7 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

What's crazy is Tesla's self driving automation classification of level 2 is the same as new Honda Accords and Civics. 

Mercedes in Germany and Honda in Japan became the first fully certified Level 3 autonomous driving system approved for road use.

Tesla fans act like their autopilot and self driving systems are way ahead of competitors which just seems to be buying Elon hype to me.

It’s weird, when I did my West Texas/Big Bend road trip, I rented a Camry with auto assist options, and I thought that was perfect for long drives: Lane straightening, adaptive cruise control, etc.  It made driving much less stressful, and it was all very well integrated.

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7 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Tesla fans act like their autopilot and self driving systems are way ahead of competitors which just seems to be buying Elon hype to me.

Well…the beta is available now.

 

[Captainant 27714]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Well…the beta is available now.

 

I wonder if it's a real launch, or a twitter blue sort of launch lol.

[HenryJames 66139]

You have to pay for a beta version?

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He really is just trying to please his tech bros and not the advertisers

Reclassifying?

 

Bills have got to be paid at some point.

[Goredho 17413]

8 hours ago, Upgrayedd said:

What about porn?  They got that?

You are asking for a friend aren't you?  Your best and very little friend...

[Francisco 2.0 32395]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

You have to pay for a beta version?

 

Yep.  $15,000 or $99-199 per month subscription cost, depending on if your Tesla has the software package necessary to run it.  If it does not, then you have to buy that upgrade, then you get the privilege of purchasing vaporware.

 

https://electrek.co/2022/09/05/tesla-raises-full-self-driving-price-to-15000-is-it-worth-it/

 

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Tesla has officially raised the price of its Full Self-Driving (FSD) package to $15,000, as CEO Elon Musk promised.

Is it worth $15,000?

For years now, Musk has stated that Tesla would keep gradually increasing the price of its Full Self-Driving (FSD) package as functionality improves leading to the actual final form of the product, which is, as its name suggests, the capacity to fully drive autonomously. 

However, the feature hasn’t lived up to its name so far. It has been in beta for two years now, and it is still far from self-driving.

 

Edited November 24, 2022 by Francisco 2.0

[royiv 9333]

I've been really curious about whether or not Elon's behavior on Twitter and in general will impact sales at Tesla. It seems he's doing his best to really piss off and alienate a significant portion of his target customer base. With other manufacturers offering viable options in the market, consumers have a ton more choices than they did just a few years ago. @Biff Tannen or any other Tesla owners reading this thread, does any of this impact your thinking about replacing your Tesla with another Tesla in the future?

[Francisco 2.0 32395]

8 minutes ago, royiv said:

I've been really curious about whether or not Elon's behavior on Twitter and in general will impact sales at Tesla. It seems he's doing his best to really piss off and alienate a significant portion of his target customer base. With other manufacturers offering viable options in the market, consumers have a ton more choices than they did just a few years ago. @Biff Tannen or any other Tesla owners reading this thread, does any of this impact your thinking about replacing your Tesla with another Tesla in the future?

 

Musk's Twitter escapades aside, the one thing that has been touched on in this thread that will impact Tesla sales more than anything is new sheet metal.

It's an old Detroit axiom (sheet metal sells) and it's true.  A refresh of an existing model can bump sales.  With a Tesla Model S, what incentives exist for an existing owner to get a new one? It came out in 2012, with little physical changes.  Mechanically, they have improved the battery and tech stack, but essentially, a 2012 Model S appears like a 2022 Model S.

Very little in the rest of the automotive world will still look the same after 10 years.

 

 

 

 

[Aqua Buddha 14599]

Tesla is wildly overvalued and it always has been.  The list of shorts that have lost their ass is long and legendary.  Tesla simply became a cult stock and financials didn't matter.

That's starting to change now, it seems.  I've said repeatedly the real risk to all of this is when Elon realizes it's rich liberals who have been buying his cars and not right wing tech bros.  While the richest person in the world, Elon really wasn't all that liquid.  The vast majority of it was on paper via Tesla stock.  Now, it's in a pinch because he can't afford to keep Twitter running with the debt service while simultaneously propping up Tesla stock.  

Others have brought it up but why invest in Tesla at this point?  The majors are moving into the EV space now and they have bigger and better production capacity. When Tesla stock comes down to its correct valuation, Elon will have the short squeeze of all short squeezes.  

[Shaddie 1651]

People bought it as a tech stock when it is a car company. Not a very good car company. 

[Chopper 17242]

13 hours ago, Upgrayedd said:

What about porn?  They got that?

I haven't seen any. I read they just "unbanned" certain curse words.

[Chopper 17242]

another take on the differences...

[texasdago 7576]

11 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Musk's Twitter escapades aside, the one thing that has been touched on in this thread that will impact Tesla sales more than anything is new sheet metal.

It's an old Detroit axiom (sheet metal sells) and it's true.  A refresh of an existing model can bump sales.  With a Tesla Model S, what incentives exist for an existing owner to get a new one? It came out in 2012, with little physical changes.  Mechanically, they have improved the battery and tech stack, but essentially, a 2012 Model S appears like a 2022 Model S.

Very little in the rest of the automotive world will still look the same after 10 years.

 

 

 

 

Yup, and there are a lot of people like me who look at Teslas as boring, soulless cars.  But they have fart noises and touch screens.  Whatever.  They are ugly and lame... you can stop trying to convince me otherwise, Tesla fanbois.  

[HOOKEM4 5039]

They are fun for the first month, then a year later you start wondering why the fucking door won't open or the ac won't turn on.  So you call for service and it is like getting a root canal. Then you remember who runs that shit show. Meh, I will just pay for the gas and buy a new battery every 5 years. 

[Biff Tannen 45697]

Meh, they are badass and I don’t need to defend them. Like what you like. But they are amazing cars and I would buy another one in a second. 

[HenryJames 66139]

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Twitter needs to bring advertisers back on board, because it managed to pick up a billion a year in debt thanks to Elon, and it’s only been profitable for two years (and that was a while back).

After spending a few seconds thinking about it, Elon is crowd-sourcing how Twitter is managed, because he’s still trying to win a popularity contest instead of running a business that relies on advertising.

Edited November 25, 2022 by atomheartbevo

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Those of us who use Twitter, I guessnext week we get to drink from the firehose,

Edited November 25, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[Bama Chick 28596]

lol criminals and spammers, huh?

Nazis, those who engage in hate speech, racists, creeps, stochastic terrorists, homophobes, anti-semites, authoritarians, dictators - totally cool.

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[G650 14273]

So apparently quite a few of us have gotten in Post at this point. I can pretty much say it's way easier than mastodon.

[Left Coast 863]

23 hours ago, royiv said:

I've been really curious about whether or not Elon's behavior on Twitter and in general will impact sales at Tesla. It seems he's doing his best to really piss off and alienate a significant portion of his target customer base. With other manufacturers offering viable options in the market, consumers have a ton more choices than they did just a few years ago. @Biff Tannen or any other Tesla owners reading this thread, does any of this impact your thinking about replacing your Tesla with another Tesla in the future?

We have a Tesla (Model Y) that we got last year and so far it’s been a good, fun car. Our problem has been the random phantom braking when it is in cruise control mode, but in LA we very rarely use any self-driving/cruise control features.

I will say Elon’s bullshit has put me off buying another one, I’ll just get one of the many EVs coming out from Rivian, Hyundai, Volvo,Ford etc.

Anecdotally my friend is selling his Model X because a) the car and the gullwing doors are annoying as fuck and b) he hates where Elon has gone politically.

Don’t know how many Tesla owners know or care about Elon’s politics, but it has to be more than a few.

[Chopper 17242]

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2 hours ago, Left Coast said:

Our problem has been the random phantom braking when it is in cruise control mode

 

[G650 14273]

It's a pretty well known flaw

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4 hours ago, G650 said:

So apparently quite a few of us have gotten in Post at this point. I can pretty much say it's way easier than mastodon.

No new invites until Monday unfortunately.  I’m fairly impressed with what I’ve seen and who all is working there and what they are doing.

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[aggie08 21513]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

I'm sure there's a bit of exaggeration and office gossip directed at the boss to parse out in this--especially from an intern--but how hilarious is it that this will no doubt cross his desk, and he'll spend an non-insignificant amount of time trying to come up with the perfect sick meme response.

Edited November 25, 2022 by aggie08

[Humble Beast 258]

It seems like the narrative is shifting a bit here from Twitter is going to die to Elon’s Twitter business is going to hurt Tesla. That seems more likely imo. Just depends on people putting themselves in lesser electric vehicles to spite Elon.  

[Left Coast 863]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

 

Oh yeah I would never trust this car to “self-drive” and I won’t trust cruise control. Lol at the suckers who paid $15k for the opportunity for their car to kill them.

[Left Coast 863]

11 minutes ago, Humble Beast said:

It seems like the narrative is shifting a bit here from Twitter is going to die to Elon’s Twitter business is going to hurt Tesla. That seems more likely imo. Just depends on people putting themselves in lesser electric vehicles to spite Elon.  

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And quite frankly many of the electric cars coming out are better than Teslas. It’s Tesla’s charging network that is unsurpassed.

[Chopper 17242]

27 minutes ago, Humble Beast said:

It seems like the narrative is shifting a bit here from Twitter is going to die to Elon’s Twitter business is going to hurt Tesla. That seems more likely imo. Just depends on people putting themselves in lesser electric vehicles to spite Elon.  

I've been saying BOTH will happen since Day 1. Edit - the reason is he obviously can't manage twitter and will cause it to go bankrupt and become a widely despised company. Also he's made himself the public face of twitter and has pissed off many of his potential customers. It's not magatards like elmo who buy teslas.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Chopper

[G650 14273]

16 minutes ago, Humble Beast said:

It seems like the narrative is shifting a bit here from Twitter is going to die to Elon’s Twitter business is going to hurt Tesla. That seems more likely imo. Just depends on people putting themselves in lesser electric vehicles to spite Elon.  

I doubt a lot of people rush to get Chinese EVs, I see pretty much everyone getting vehicles superior to Tesla from BMW, Merc, Volvo, Ford et al

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58 minutes ago, G650 said:

I doubt a lot of people rush to get Chinese EVs, I see pretty much everyone getting vehicles superior to Tesla from BMW, Merc, Volvo, Ford et al

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2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

I'm sure there's a bit of exaggeration and office gossip directed at the boss to parse out in this--especially from an intern--but how hilarious is it that this will no doubt cross his desk, and he'll spend an non-insignificant amount of time trying to come up with the perfect sick meme response.

I seem him spending his time trying to root out the people who were trying to keep him from fucking things up.

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1 hour ago, Humble Beast said:

It seems like the narrative is shifting a bit here from Twitter is going to die to Elon’s Twitter business is going to hurt Tesla. That seems more likely imo. Just depends on people putting themselves in lesser electric vehicles to spite Elon.  

The narrative has not really shifted, we are just discussing how Elon is financing his purchase of one company with another, and how his brilliant moves are negatively affecting multiple companies.

Twitter has still only turned a profit twice out of the last 15 years, and Elon saddled it with an additional billion in debt every year.

And now that Elon is farming out Twitter content moderation to the internet and willing to allow the Nazis, Qanons, etc. to come back (as long as they didn’t break the law), he’s going to keep those advertisers away who had paused their ad buys and/or drive even more away.

Which means he will have to sell more Tesla stock to keep paying the bills for Twitter.   

[tchookem 3905]

I'm not saying we need bullying in schools - I'm not a monster - but I am saying we need to bully adult nerds.  And they will thank us for it someday.  Elon would ultimately have more self-esteem, and an extra $44 billion, if we stuffed him in a few lockers and slapped him around from time to time instead of encouraging him to let the whole world see his tweets.

No we need to stop treating rich people (especially those born into wealth) as though they deserve any kind of respect simply for being rich. That goes double for any rich person that seeks any kind of notoriety.

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10 minutes ago, tchookem said:

On 11/22/2022 at 1:11 PM, longhornmatt said:

I'm not saying we need bullying in schools - I'm not a monster - but I am saying we need to bully adult nerds.  And they will thank us for it someday.  Elon would ultimately have more self-esteem, and an extra $44 billion, if we stuffed him in a few lockers and slapped him around from time to time instead of encouraging him to let the whole world see his tweets.

No we need to stop treating rich people (especially those born into wealth) as though they deserve any kind of respect simply for being rich. That goes double for any rich person that seeks any kind of notoriety.

This is basically it. America on particular has a warped perspective of conflating wealth with wisdom, judgment and ability.

[Francisco 2.0 32395]

Good luck with that.

 

 

[Prepuce of Doom 21098]

 

 

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Elon publicly lied to his fanboys about how his firstborn child died?