Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

['stache 21874]

Is it true that he is now the broke ass second richest person in the world?

[Neonmoon 38130]

21 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

This special Indian version of Twitter fascinates me. Due to a weird series of events I ended up being involved with Pakistani Facebook for about two years in the mid-2010s and that shit was wild. 

I love that they just duplicated Twitter, even down to the bird mascot

https://www.kooapp.com/

 

[Captainant 27786]

28 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

This special Indian version of Twitter fascinates me. Due to a weird series of events I ended up being involved with Pakistani Facebook for about two years in the mid-2010s and that shit was wild. 

Were their memes way spicier? 

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19 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Were their memes way spicier? 

Quality

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24 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Were their memes way spicier? 

[Brisketexan 105360]

27 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Were their memes way spicier? 

I looked for some memes I'd recognize there, but there were naan.

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Sickening and terrifying.

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44 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I love that they just duplicated Twitter, even down to the bird mascot

https://www.kooapp.com/

 

 

 

[BearSchlong 8114]

Haha

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3 hours ago, Chopper said:

fwiw.

Eloon Muskkk not gonna like this

text is spoilered but it's a free article so give a click if you're interested.

https://www.semafor.com/article/12/11/2022/white-house-twitter-musk-indifferent

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That’s because Biden’s team believes Twitter is largely valuable for just two things:

Selling its message to journalists and other influential figures.
Encouraging friendly activists to put pressure on those elite voices.

"There's a crowd within the White House that cares about disinformation and thinks it's a major problem for Democrats narrowly and democracy more broadly," an administration official said of Musk’s efforts to relax moderation and make the site more welcoming to the right. "But it's probably a minority."

undefined headshotMAX'S VIEW
Biden’s team seems to view the battle over moderation at Twitter as a matter of some concern — like, say, a big fire in California or the political crisis in Peru — but not something that’s exactly their problem.

The administration does not consider Twitter a vital part of any political strategy that reaches beyond the chattering classes. One former White House official told Semafor the platform is an “afterthought” in communications and press meetings, which tend to focus first on television and traditional media and on Facebook, a declining service that still reaches a mass audience.

It’s a stark contrast with President Donald Trump, who early this year sued the platform for removing him, comparing the ban to the Catholic Church’s silencing of the astronomer Galileo. As then-White House Press Secretary Jenn Psaki once put it: “I think it's safe to say that the president spends a lot less time obsessing over social media than the former president.”

The disdain for Twitter inside the White House has little to do with right-wing control of the platform, and more to do with its role inside the Democratic Party: Biden’s wing sees Twitter as fuel for activist voices who push ingroup thinking, left-of-center bias, and socioeconomic bias.

When Biden ran for president in 2016, his staff’s mantra was “Twitter isn’t real life.” Now, aides point to data from The New York Times suggesting that Democrats are “more moderate, more diverse and less educated” than those on the social media platform.

Some of Biden’s aides tweet a lot: Chief of Staff Ron Klain most prominently, but also rapid response director Andrew Bates, and Digital Director Rob Flaherty.

Klain is well aware of the scrutiny paid to his Twitter account, which he largely uses to influence the journalists he knows are glued to the platform, according to current and former officials. In the months leading up to the midterm elections, he incessantly used Twitter to highlight when gas prices were decreasing (and ignored them when they weren’t).

Flaherty is also the main point of contact with social media platforms, and has driven the outreach to many of the administration’s most vocal supporters online. The digital team pushed to reward Heather Cox Richardson, the popular liberal Boston College professor and Substacker, and Brian Tyler Cohen, a progressive YouTuber, with rare Biden sitdowns. And earlier this year, his team invited some of the biggest-name #resistance accounts to the White House for a briefing and conversation about some of the victories Biden’s team wanted to highlight.

Flaherty, who won an internal battle to move the White House’s digital messaging outside its communications office, is among those who have expressed concern that Musk’s regime could mean more “disinformation” on Twitter.

But there, too, aides said they remain much more worried about false information circulating on Facebook.

One compared the White House view of Twitter to its view of Fox News: A medium with a big audience who aren’t usually open to persuasion, but which they can’t totally ignore.

ROOM FOR DISAGREEMENT
The White House posture has critics on the left. Crooked Media editor-in-chief Brian Beutler thinks Democrats ought to take Musk’s takeover dead seriously.

“It is not uncommon to watch ideas leap seamlessly from Twitter thread into the churn of U.S. policy making or political strategy or mainstream news media. As long as influential elites continue to use it the way they use it, having control over what dominates political discourse on Twitter will affect what our political leaders choose to prioritize,” he writes.

THE VIEW FROM INDIA
The former head of Twitter in India, Manish Maheshwari, writes: “Neutrality is essential. If you favour one side, you are bound to lose the other. And it is the notice board of the world because the world is here.” He notes that when government pressure led Twitter to force some voices off the platform, they went to a local rival, Koo, which continues to compete in India.

“The only problem today with Koo is that it is local, and if you want to interact with people outside India, you need something else,” he wrote. “What if Koo expands globally? Then it becomes a viable alternative to Twitter for content creators and consumers.

 

Time will tell, but this could be a big mistake

['stache 21874]

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

Were their memes way spicier? 

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Time will tell, but this could be a big mistake

Hopefully thats just guff. Twitter turning into a scat site is a disaster similar to the scattering and destruction of the local print press

[Chopper 17251]

Something called Dame Magazine murdered Elron in this free article but it's difficult to c&p. Elon Musk Is Ruining Twitter | Dame Magazine

Here's the beginning.

 

He's only owned Twitter for a month, but Musk is proving to be a disastrous CEO. And his fragile ego and bizarre fascistic politics threaten to make matters even worse for the once-successful social-media platform.

 

   

 

 

Allison Hantschel Dec 13, 2022

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When Elon Musk bought Twitter from its owners last month, he told the corporate media that he was doing so with the intention of supporting free speech and democracy.

It’s a reporter’s job to be skeptical of public figures’ bluster, but they swallowed this pronouncement almost as easily as they did Musk’s excuses for why his Teslas catch fire, his rockets explode, his brain chips can’t be tested on people, and his road map to a space colony on Mars is riddled with holes.

If Musk was anything other than a rich white man, his record as owner of Twitter (or Tesla) would disqualify him from working a management job ever again. He’d be a joke on par with recently convicted Theranos scam artist Elizabeth Holmes, ghosted by those embarrassed to be seen in his company.

Musk’s Twitter takeover played out in real time like a parody of CEO cluelessness as he bumbled from one snap decision to another, abruptly firing half the staff in public and then beefing with the site’s operators on the site itself. His decision to allow anyone with an account to pay for verification and credibly impersonate, say, the pope—or even Musk himself—quickly backfired as advertisers saw stock prices disappear into shitposts. 

He greeted all of this with belligerence and mockery that wouldn’t pass muster in a schoolyard shouting match.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Chopper said:

If Musk was anything other than a rich white man, his record as owner of Twitter (or Tesla) would disqualify him from working a management job ever again.

I’d argue if he were anything other than the *richest white man in the world* (give or take) then he’d be laughed out of SF and back to Texas. Even as head of a private company- he’s not the only owner and he’s got people who will eventually hold him to account 

['stache 21874]

I'm just following this for the lulz, but was he loaned $44 billion to be the sole owner? Or does he have a board that can tell him to shut the fuck up? Or did he get to appoint a new board, in which case, what lender would put that much money on the line with such absolute power in one individual?

[Chopper 17251]

I don't think there's 1 independent board member --- someone not family, not indebted to elron, or not a sycophant -- on any of his BODs. Going to be a long time before any of those businesses get control over him.

In the meantime, is this what it looks like when you realize the wingtards aren't exactly your best ally?

 

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22 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

what can possibly go wrong here?

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Mr. Musk also continues to cut staff and leaders, including Nelson Abramson, Twitter’s global head of infrastructure, and Alan Rosa, the global information technology head and vice president of information security, according to four people familiar with the moves.

 

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I've found myself in meetings where some high level execs want the technology to be improved to do X or Y.  I'm usually the low person in the room. The execs initially fail to recognize that some really smart people have already assessed that idea and rejected it. Sure it might help one aspect of the business but simultaneously create a laundry list of other problems, if not shut down the overall business.

A good exec will elicit this feedback and keep the conversation at the business goals level. Let the tech people figure out the tech. 

Other execs like Elon are the type that want to define the solution and just order everyone to do what he/she know is best. It would be interesting to learn how Elon has  not destroyed SpaceX or Tesla yet with this style? Does he have people in those orgs that protect them from Elon?

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34 minutes ago, NoName said:

what can possibly go wrong here?

He’s making some huge miscalculations, and I’m not talking about discovering that reading Grimes’s DMs was not worth $44 billion.  He’s increasing the wrong kind of traffic that advertisers don’t want.  He’s getting rid of people that the advertisers relied on.  He fucked up unbanning Trump’s account and was publicly humiliated when Trump snubbed him, when he should have been talking to Trump’s people beforehand to even see if Trump would come back.  Whatever you may think of Trump, allowing him back is nothing compared to allowing people like the Stormfront folks, etc. back on - he could make the case that Trump was President and had tens of millions of followers, and that misinformation could be tagged, but the actual guys that setup white supremacist websites? There’s no conversations to be had with those guys.  He got rid of the very people that were a big part of keeping the bad stuff off of Twitter (like child exploitation ) that he complained about, he’s loosening the rules that’s going to allow some to treat it like 4chan, and he appears to be getting rid of infrastructure people now, as well as scaling back on offices in SF.  He also shit all over the companies and people who legitimately did what was asked to be verified.

A friend that….works in a company with ties to Musk thinks Musk is going to force twitter employees to move to Texas (hence the stopping payment of rents for offices), and he may even setup shop for Twitter in a Tesla or SpaceX facility to save money.  He thinks Texas will toss money or tax breaks Musk’s way to make that happen as well.

Edited December 13, 2022 by atomheartbevo

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A friend that….works in a company with ties to Musk thinks Musk is going to force twitter employees to move to Texas (hence the stopping payment of rents for offices), and he may even setup shop for Twitter in a Tesla or SpaceX facility to save money.  He thinks Texas will toss money or tax breaks Musk’s way to make that happen as well.

No CR, and I haven’t been following it closely, but has hot wheels propelled himself into the conversation since posting this in April ‘22?

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Also, what the hell is he doing sending starlink stations to Ukraine then disabling their Twitter accounts?

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RE: the NYT piece; here's the full article.  Funny how these folks Elon dragged into Twitter he has removed in less than 6 weeks.  Also, not paying bills seems very.....Trumpian.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twitter-shakeup.html

 

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Over the past two weeks, Elon Musk has shaken up Twitter’s legal department, disbanded a council that advised the social media company on safety issues and is continuing to take drastic steps to cut costs.

Mr. Musk appears to be gearing up for legal battles at Twitter, which he purchased in October for $44 billion, according to seven people familiar with internal conversations. He and his team have revamped Twitter’s legal department and pushed out one of his closest advisers in the process. They have also instructed employees to not pay vendors in anticipation of potential litigation, the people said.

 

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To cut costs, Twitter has not paid rent for its San Francisco headquarters or any of its global offices for weeks, three people close to the company said. Twitter has also refused to pay a $197,725 bill for private charter flights made the week of Mr. Musk’s takeover, according to a copy of a lawsuit filed in New Hampshire District Court and obtained by The New York Times.

Twitter’s leaders have also discussed the consequences of denying severance payments to thousands of people who have been laid off since the takeover, two people familiar with the talks said. And Mr. Musk has threatened employees with lawsuits if they talk to the media and “act in a manner contrary to the company’s interest,” according to an internal email sent last Friday.

 

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The aggressive moves signal that Mr. Musk is still slashing expenditures and is bending or breaking Twitter’s previous agreements to make his mark. His reign has been characterized by chaos, a series of resignations and layoffs, reversals of the platform’s previous suspensions and rules, and capricious decisions that have driven away advertisers.

Mr. Musk did not respond to a request for comment.

 

Spoiler

As he has transitioned into the role of Twitter’s new leader, Mr. Musk has had a cast of rotating legal professionals by his side. In October, he fired both Twitter’s chief legal officer and general counsel “for cause” within hours of closing his acquisition and installed his personal lawyer, Alex Spiro, to head up legal and policy matters at the company.

Mr. Spiro is no longer working at Twitter, according to six people familiar with the decision. Those people said that Mr. Musk has been unhappy with some of the decisions made by Mr. Spiro, a noted criminal defense lawyer who successfully defended the billionaire in a high-profile defamation case in late 2019 and worked his way into the Twitter owner’s inner circle.

Among those decisions was Mr. Spiro’s call to retain the Twitter deputy general counsel, James A. Baker, through Mr. Musk’s various rounds of layoffs and firings. Mr. Baker had served as general counsel at the F.B.I. until May 2018 — advising the agency on politically fraught investigations into Hillary Clinton’s private email server and Donald J. Trump’s campaign — and joined Twitter in 2020.

Last week, Mr. Musk said he terminated Mr. Baker after he learned that the lawyer had been responsible for reviewing internal communications about the company’s decision to suppress a 2020 New York Post story about Hunter Biden’s laptop. Mr. Musk had ordered that those communications, which he has called the “Twitter Files,” be given to a group of journalists to release and discredit the decision-making of the company’s past executives.

With Twitter drained of legal talent from layoffs and departures, Mr. Musk has sought lawyers from his other companies, including rocket maker SpaceX, to fill the void. More than half a dozen lawyers from the space exploration company have been given access to Twitter’s internal systems, according to two people and documents seen by The Times. SpaceX employees who have been brought in to Twitter include Chris Cardaci, the company’s vice president of legal, and Tim Hughes, its senior vice president, global business and government affairs.

A SpaceX spokesman did not return a request for comment.

Among its legal challenges, Twitter is facing more questions from the Federal Trade Commission, which is investigating whether the company is still adhering to a consent decree. In 2011, the company signed a consent decree with the F.T.C. after two data breaches and said it would not mislead users about privacy protection. In May, the company paid $150 million to the F.T.C. and Justice Department to settle allegations that it had violated the terms of that consent decree, which was expanded.

The F.T.C. has sent Twitter letters asking whether it still has the resources and staff to adhere to the consent decree, two people with knowledge of the matter said. An F.T.C. spokeswoman declined to comment.

On Friday, as Mr. Musk encouraged the release of internal information through the continuation of his Twitter Files, he also sent an email to employees noting “many detailed leaks of confidential Twitter information” showed that some were violating their nondisclosure agreements.

“If you clearly and deliberately violate the NDA that you signed when joining Twitter, you accept liability to the full extent of the law and Twitter will immediately seek damages,” he wrote. The email was first reported by the Platformer newsletter.

Mr. Musk’s team has also deliberated the merits of not paying severance to the thousands of people who have left the company since he took over, when there were about 7,500 full-time employees. While Mr. Musk and his advisers had previously considered forgoing any severance when discussing cuts in late October, the company ultimately decided that U.S.-based employees would be given at least two months of pay and one month of severance pay so that the company would be compliant with federal and state labor laws.

Mr. Musk’s team is now reconsidering whether it should pay some of those months, according to two people familiar with the discussions, or just face lawsuits from disgruntled former employees. Many former employees still have not received any paperwork formalizing their separation from Twitter, five people said. Mr. Musk has already refused to pay millions of dollars in exit packages to executives he claims were terminated “for cause.”

As Twitter has downsized, Mr. Musk’s team has been hoping to renegotiate the terms of lease agreements, two people familiar with the discussion said. The company has received complaints from real estate investment and management firms including Shorenstein, which owns the San Francisco buildings that Twitter occupies.

A spokesman for Shorenstein declined to comment.

In other money-saving moves, Twitter has laid off its kitchen staff and begun to list office supplies, industrial-grade kitchen equipment and electronics from its San Francisco office for auction.

Mr. Musk also continues to cut staff and leaders, including Nelson Abramson, Twitter’s global head of infrastructure, and Alan Rosa, the global information technology head and vice president of information security, according to four people familiar with the moves.

On Sunday night, Mr. Musk sent two emails to Twitter’s staff with advice about how to work for him that he had previously shared with SpaceX and Tesla employees. One message focused on first principles thinking, a worldview based on the teachings of Aristotle to reduce assumptions to basic axioms, which Mr. Musk credited with helping him make difficult decisions. The other advocated against workplace hierarchies.

On Monday, Twitter notified members of its trust and safety council, an advisory group formed in 2016, that it would dissolve immediately. The council was created to guide Twitter through challenging safety problems and content moderation issues, and was made up of organizations focused on civil rights and child safety.

“Safety online can mean survival offline,” said Jodie Ginsberg, the president of the Committee to Protect Journalists, one of the organizations involved in the council. “As a platform that has become a critical tool in both open and repressive countries, Twitter must play a constructive role in ensuring that journalists and the public at large are able to receive and impart information without fear of reprisals.”

 

 

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Not surprising. I’ve attempted negotiations (well, my lawyers did) with Space X and Tesla lawyers, said fuck this, you people are basically jerking me off, and landed in a 1,000% better gig. Now I just feel sorry for them.

- not showing up to meetings after multiple confirmations
- changing course and reneging on previously agreed to language
- expecting other companies to go ahead and fund projects with their own working capital without legally binding agreements.

The state of Texas should hold his feet to the fire. Zero quarter. He is on the cusp of raping our state.

[Captainant 27786]

4 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

The state of Texas should hold his feet to the fire. Zero quarter. He is on the cusp of raping our state.

Lol idk if you've been paying attention but our state LOVES giving away freebies to business interests. Hell, we pay Bitcoin miners more than they earn mining to turn their rigs off during demand peaks - instead of ya know, using that money to improve the grid

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

9 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

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As he has transitioned into the role of Twitter’s new leader, Mr. Musk has had a cast of rotating legal professionals by his side. In October, he fired both Twitter’s chief legal officer and general counsel “for cause” within hours of closing his acquisition and installed his personal lawyer, Alex Spiro, to head up legal and policy matters at the company.

Mr. Spiro is no longer working at Twitter, according to six people familiar with the decision. Those people said that Mr. Musk has been unhappy with some of the decisions made by Mr. Spiro, a noted criminal defense lawyer who successfully defended the billionaire in a high-profile defamation case in late 2019 and worked his way into the Twitter owner’s inner circle.

Among those decisions was Mr. Spiro’s call to retain the Twitter deputy general counsel, James A. Baker, through Mr. Musk’s various rounds of layoffs and firings. Mr. Baker had served as general counsel at the F.B.I. until May 2018 — advising the agency on politically fraught investigations into Hillary Clinton’s private email server and Donald J. Trump’s campaign — and joined Twitter in 2020.

Last week, Mr. Musk said he terminated Mr. Baker after he learned that the lawyer had been responsible for reviewing internal communications about the company’s decision to suppress a 2020 New York Post story about Hunter Biden’s laptop. Mr. Musk had ordered that those communications, which he has called the “Twitter Files,” be given to a group of journalists to release and discredit the decision-making of the company’s past executives.

With Twitter drained of legal talent from layoffs and departures, Mr. Musk has sought lawyers from his other companies, including rocket maker SpaceX, to fill the void. More than half a dozen lawyers from the space exploration company have been given access to Twitter’s internal systems, according to two people and documents seen by The Times. SpaceX employees who have been brought in to Twitter include Chris Cardaci, the company’s vice president of legal, and Tim Hughes, its senior vice president, global business and government affairs.

A SpaceX spokesman did not return a request for comment.

Among its legal challenges, Twitter is facing more questions from the Federal Trade Commission, which is investigating whether the company is still adhering to a consent decree. In 2011, the company signed a consent decree with the F.T.C. after two data breaches and said it would not mislead users about privacy protection. In May, the company paid $150 million to the F.T.C. and Justice Department to settle allegations that it had violated the terms of that consent decree, which was expanded.

The F.T.C. has sent Twitter letters asking whether it still has the resources and staff to adhere to the consent decree, two people with knowledge of the matter said. An F.T.C. spokeswoman declined to comment.

On Friday, as Mr. Musk encouraged the release of internal information through the continuation of his Twitter Files, he also sent an email to employees noting “many detailed leaks of confidential Twitter information” showed that some were violating their nondisclosure agreements.

“If you clearly and deliberately violate the NDA that you signed when joining Twitter, you accept liability to the full extent of the law and Twitter will immediately seek damages,” he wrote. The email was first reported by the Platformer newsletter.

Mr. Musk’s team has also deliberated the merits of not paying severance to the thousands of people who have left the company since he took over, when there were about 7,500 full-time employees. While Mr. Musk and his advisers had previously considered forgoing any severance when discussing cuts in late October, the company ultimately decided that U.S.-based employees would be given at least two months of pay and one month of severance pay so that the company would be compliant with federal and state labor laws.

Mr. Musk’s team is now reconsidering whether it should pay some of those months, according to two people familiar with the discussions, or just face lawsuits from disgruntled former employees. Many former employees still have not received any paperwork formalizing their separation from Twitter, five people said. Mr. Musk has already refused to pay millions of dollars in exit packages to executives he claims were terminated “for cause.”

As Twitter has downsized, Mr. Musk’s team has been hoping to renegotiate the terms of lease agreements, two people familiar with the discussion said. The company has received complaints from real estate investment and management firms including Shorenstein, which owns the San Francisco buildings that Twitter occupies.

A spokesman for Shorenstein declined to comment.

In other money-saving moves, Twitter has laid off its kitchen staff and begun to list office supplies, industrial-grade kitchen equipment and electronics from its San Francisco office for auction.

Mr. Musk also continues to cut staff and leaders, including Nelson Abramson, Twitter’s global head of infrastructure, and Alan Rosa, the global information technology head and vice president of information security, according to four people familiar with the moves.

On Sunday night, Mr. Musk sent two emails to Twitter’s staff with advice about how to work for him that he had previously shared with SpaceX and Tesla employees. One message focused on first principles thinking, a worldview based on the teachings of Aristotle to reduce assumptions to basic axioms, which Mr. Musk credited with helping him make difficult decisions. The other advocated against workplace hierarchies.

On Monday, Twitter notified members of its trust and safety council, an advisory group formed in 2016, that it would dissolve immediately. The council was created to guide Twitter through challenging safety problems and content moderation issues, and was made up of organizations focused on civil rights and child safety.

“Safety online can mean survival offline,” said Jodie Ginsberg, the president of the Committee to Protect Journalists, one of the organizations involved in the council. “As a platform that has become a critical tool in both open and repressive countries, Twitter must play a constructive role in ensuring that journalists and the public at large are able to receive and impart information without fear of reprisals.”

 

RE: The rent, nonpayment of assorted expenses, etc. Perhaps he will go with the 'whaddya gonna do about it' aka 'the make me' assertion knowing he can drag any legal issues out for a lot longer than certain other people Who Shall Not Be Named due to his wealth, reduced somewhat though it may be. He also knows, if he did not before, that he can easily make himself out to be the victim and sic any and all of his friendly followers after any foes with just one or two tweets (SEE: Roth, Yoel) regardless of veracity.

This was written much more eloquently by other posters several pages back, but whether his brain is 'broken' or not, he is using the outrage machine to great effect right now and in a manner that really should be setting off more and more alarm bells for what it may mean in the future. I believe author/journalist/pundit Greg O'Lear or maybe it was Brian Beutler (sp?) commented that should one replace the name Elon Musk with the name Steve Bannon it should be made clear enough. I don't think that is far off the mark given the chaos that has been a feature not a bug.

I know the whole 'reading her DMs' and his ex and all that is bandied about a lot, but at this point that is not going to matter. The rest of what I think pushes political boundaries in a nonpolitical thread so I'll stop there.

[Chewbacca 7787]

52 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I've found myself in meetings where some high level execs want the technology to be improved to do X or Y.  I'm usually the low person in the room. The execs initially fail to recognize that some really smart people have already assessed that idea and rejected it. Sure it might help one aspect of the business but simultaneously create a laundry list of other problems, if not shut down the overall business.

A good exec will elicit this feedback and keep the conversation at the business goals level. Let the tech people figure out the tech. 

Other execs like Elon are the type that want to define the solution and just order everyone to do what he/she know is best. It would be interesting to learn how Elon has  not destroyed SpaceX or Tesla yet with this style? Does he have people in those orgs that protect them from Elon?

I forget where I read it, but at SpaceX (and probably Tesla, but SpaceX is the one I saw), there are people whose sole job is managing Elon and basically keeping him out of the way as much as possible.  I think it's clear that nothing of the sort exists at Twitter and we're seeing the result of that in real time.

[BearSchlong 8114]

The irony is that neither company progresses past “cocktail napkin scribbled idea” stage without massive government subsidies.

Not a coincidence that he amped up the honesty right after midterms.

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Seems legit:

 

[Francisco 2.0 32430]

 

 

[Brian Fantana 6690]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I've found myself in meetings where some high level execs want the technology to be improved to do X or Y.  I'm usually the low person in the room. The execs initially fail to recognize that some really smart people have already assessed that idea and rejected it. Sure it might help one aspect of the business but simultaneously create a laundry list of other problems, if not shut down the overall business.

A good exec will elicit this feedback and keep the conversation at the business goals level. Let the tech people figure out the tech. 

Other execs like Elon are the type that want to define the solution and just order everyone to do what he/she know is best. It would be interesting to learn how Elon has  not destroyed SpaceX or Tesla yet with this style? Does he have people in those orgs that protect them from Elon?

Elon does not run SpaceX. Yes, he is the CEO, but it's Gwynne Shotwell that does the heavy lifting over there. I have friends that work at Blue Origin that lament almost daily that Bezos did not hire her to run their operations. Tesla would be entirely insolvent without being heavily subsidized by the federal government. It's also harder for him to personally destroy through sheer stupidity due to them having a relatively strong customer-facing product that people enjoy.

e: spelling

Edited December 14, 2022 by Brian Fantana

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1 hour ago, BearSchlong said:

No CR, and I haven’t been following it closely, but has hot wheels propelled himself into the conversation since posting this in April ‘22?

Publicly, not sure, but if he's skipping on paying rent and stiffing vendors, then twitter is not long for San Francisco.  I don't think the companies that own the buildings or the contracts are going to think "well, we'll let him skip the payments for now, I'm sure he'll make it up latter" because he's erratic as hell, and there is absolutely nothing that he is doing that makes it look like twitter will turn a profit any time in the future.

Plus, if you are with those companies and looking down the road when Musk has various payments coming due, you know that he won't give a shit about paying you for the lease or services rendered if he's got to make payments on twitter.

This kinda feels like some dot-come bubble stuff coming back to haunt us 20 years later - CEOs in over their heads, and stiffing vendors and landlords to keep the company running.

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Last week, Mr. Musk said he terminated Mr. Baker after he learned that the lawyer had been responsible for reviewing internal communications about the company’s decision to suppress a 2020 New York Post story about Hunter Biden’s laptop. Mr. Musk had ordered that those communications, which he has called the “Twitter Files,” be given to a group of journalists to release and discredit the decision-making of the company’s past executives.

This is something else that's crazy - Musk's obsession with the laptop/Hunter's dick pics, and trying to discredit the company's previous leadership.

The world's second-richest man is the world's most insecure man, because his actions trying to discredit the previous leadership smells a lot like things are really fucked up and he's doing everything he can to blame it on the previous leadership, when he came in like a bull in a china shop and wrecked a lot of shit.

[Buzzrock 14942]

I have seen a reply or two lately lamenting “what Twitter has become” which is funny to me because I haven’t seen any difference. I have to assume they are talking about politics Twitter, which has always been a cesspool, and not sports twitter, which is awesome.

[BearSchlong 8114]

This is something else that's crazy - Musk's obsession with the laptop/Hunter's dick pics, and trying to discredit the company's previous leadership.
The world's second-richest man is the world's most insecure man, because his actions trying to discredit the previous leadership smells a lot like things are really fucked up and he's doing everything he can to blame it on the previous leadership, when he came in like a bull in a china shop and wrecked a lot of shit.

[atomheartbevo 89807]

6 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

I have seen a reply or two lately lamenting “what Twitter has become” which is funny to me because I haven’t seen any difference. I have to assume they are talking about politics Twitter, which has always been a cesspool, and not sports twitter, which is awesome.

A lot of us are getting a lot of shit in our feeds that we do not want, the amount of bots appears to have gone up substantially, and plenty of us have bots inviting us to private conversations,  and a lot of really shitty people have been invited back (and some of them are popping up in our feeds), and the bots and shitty people are filling the comments with their shit.

Sports twitter is still mostly great (but the trolls are bad in the comments), as is various other parts, but I'm at the point now where I don't bother with my feeds anymore and just go straight to the accounts I like the most.

[Prepuce of Doom 21104]

3 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

I have seen a reply or two lately lamenting “what Twitter has become” which is funny to me because I haven’t seen any difference. I have to assume they are talking about politics Twitter, which has always been a cesspool, and not sports twitter, which is awesome.

My feed has significantly diminished in quality and quantity of tweets from the ~1300 accounts that I follow. I follow a few automated accounts (Bosch Bot that tweets a close-up shot of one of Hieronymous Bosch's paintings every 30 minutes, a similar automated account that tweets a still shot from King of the Hill every so often, etc.) and they used to be really spread out in my timeline, but as more and more humans depart, a much greater percentage of my feed is similar automated stuff. 

I'm sticking around until it becomes clear which of the new alternatives allows me to curate a feed compromised of scientists and political hacks and racecar drivers and people who make dick jokes and art critics and companies I like and abject shitposters and everything in between. I really liked the range of information that Twitter once offered, but it's definitely a thing of the past. 

[Ghost of LL 15540]

39 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

My feed has significantly diminished in quality and quantity of tweets from the ~1300 accounts that I follow. I follow a few automated accounts (Bosch Bot that tweets a close-up shot of one of Hieronymous Bosch's paintings every 30 minutes, a similar automated account that tweets a still shot from King of the Hill every so often, etc.) and they used to be really spread out in my timeline, but as more and more humans depart, a much greater percentage of my feed is similar automated stuff. 

I'm sticking around until it becomes clear which of the new alternatives allows me to curate a feed compromised of scientists and political hacks and racecar drivers and people who make dick jokes and art critics and companies I like and abject shitposters and everything in between. I really liked the range of information that Twitter once offered, but it's definitely a thing of the past. 

This is my experience, too.  And it seems to have really come just within the last ten days or so.  Popehat is the most notable example, but there have been a number of people on law and sports twitter who have decamped.

It seems like Post is the preferred destination, but I'm holding out for now to see if that really is where everyone ends up.

[Clintonaldo 2576]

The best part is if Elon does in fact stop paying rent a certain segment will boast how is just owning people. 

[Francisco 2.0 32430]

29 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

The best part is if Elon does in fact stop paying rent a certain segment will boast how is just owning people. 

 

"That's what makes him a visionary and business genius!  Paying rent and your bills is for losers and suckers!"

[Firemans4Horn 18123]

3 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

"That's what makes him a visionary and business genius!  Paying rent and your bills is for losers and suckers!"

Worked in 2016. 

[atomheartbevo 89807]

Umm....long term, all of the major car makers will have EV versions of a lot of their vehicles.  While Tesla will be chugging along with the same designs they've had for years.

This is exactly what Tesla investors want to hear - trying to intermingle the two companies.

 

[atomheartbevo 89807]

So they fucking added Steam to Teslas, because everybody was clambering to play Steam games on the dashboard. 

And it's as powerful as a PS5

 

[mdmost 43052]

Coming soon to your Tesla, unsolicited mandatory tweets from Elon where he owns the woke left! 

[BearSchlong 8114]

And those automakers have a lot more cultural intelligence, brand loyalty, and marketing savvy than Tesla.

Petty resentments aside, this is going to be interesting.

[BearSchlong 8114]

Coming soon to your Tesla, unsolicited mandatory tweets from Elon where he owns the woke left! 

Cadillac seems to be the wokest brand around. Oh the simulation.

[DixonHur 11376]

21 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

So they fucking added Steam to Teslas, because everybody was clambering to play Steam games on the dashboard. 

What could possibly go wrong?

[shakahorn 1645]

6 hours ago, texasdago said:

Well, yeah because I covered my short the day before at $167.95.  Shorted at $189 so still made out but left at least $7 on the table.  Waiting for something else artificial to prop it up so I can short it again.  This last time it was an upgrade from some major brokerage house I forget who.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

Wait for a pop when they announce the idea of tsla stock buy backs around the time a Twitter interest payment is due.

Elon will dump shares to make the payment, buy backs won't happen and stock drops.