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8 minutes ago, bolverk said:

That sounds like the latest incarnation of Immortal, who's always quick to neg and tell folks to "take it to the CR" while ironically posting with a CR-related handle ever since the Immortal username was made not-so-immortal.

For those keeping up, the provenance would then be Immortal13 (banned) => 4doorsMoreWhores (crowd sourced) => Cornpop (banned) => Globalwarming2478 (tbd).

I’ll never understand the sheer motivation of some of those folks…not quite the village crazies like TTom or even TexanAbroad (Rocko?) managing to get banned from a noodz thread he was contributing to…but those that just keep coming back like Immortal or Animal x Tobacco.  
 

While Elon isn’t necessarily publicly propping up a specific political party, he’s very loudly embracing the anger/fear/hate bent of one…and it just sucks.  
 

TTom struck me as someone deep in substance abuse, and you could argue my rants are even more pointless as they’re done sober, knowing it’s just pissing into the wind.  
 

Oh well, still no place like Surly

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5 minutes ago, Homercles said:

I’ll never understand the sheer motivation of some of those folks…not quite the village crazies like TTom or even TexanAbroad (Rocko?) managing to get banned from a noodz thread he was contributing to…but those that just keep coming back like Immortal or Animal x Tobacco.  
 

While Elon isn’t necessarily publicly propping up a specific political party, he’s very loudly embracing the anger/fear/hate bent of one…and it just sucks.  
 

TTom struck me as someone deep in substance abuse, and you could argue my rants are even more pointless as they’re done sober, knowing it’s just pissing into the wind.  
 

Oh well, still no place like Surly

The TexanAbroad / Rocko vibes certainly resonate -- hadn't made that possible connection.

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21 minutes ago, Homercles said:

While Elon isn’t necessarily publicly propping up a specific political party, he’s very loudly embracing the anger/fear/hate bent of one…and it just sucks.  

Elon, like a lot of insecure rich people, is a starfucker.  If you are famous and pay him some attention, he'll happily digest whatever you have to say, and maybe even retweet it.

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Ricky Gervais Lol GIF

He claims to have this on his bedside table (in a convenient response to "Musk University", yet constantly shows that he doesn't understand the First Amendment and free speech in general.

 

And this is his current status - dude is clearly rocking an early/mid-2000s Internet forum moderator vibe.

 

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Ricky Gervais Lol GIF

He claims to have this on his bedside table (in a convenient response to "Musk University", yet constantly shows that he doesn't understand the First Amendment and free speech in general.

 

And this is his current status - dude is clearly rocking an early/mid-2000s Internet forum moderator vibe.

 

How big is that bedside table

 He has the constitution, the George Washington piece, the video game gun and a shitload of caffeine free diet cokes. Does he sleep on the couch next to a coffee table?

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8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Ricky Gervais Lol GIF

He claims to have this on his bedside table (in a convenient response to "Musk University", yet constantly shows that he doesn't understand the First Amendment and free speech in general.

 

And this is his current status - dude is clearly rocking an early/mid-2000s Internet forum moderator vibe.

 

Washington's Rules of Civility? lol

the number one rule:

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Every action done in company ought to be with some sign of respect, to those that are present.

a LOT of them are about respect. Elon has shown time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again he lacks the basic level of respect for other humans.

 

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Show not yourself glad at the misfortune of another though he were your enemy

Anytime I think of Elon now, I just imagine Jean-Ralphio doing this to me

The Worst GIF by Parks and Recreation

 

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https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-run-reduced-output-shanghai-january-plan-shows-2022-12-27/
 

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Tesla (TSLA.O) plans to run a reduced production schedule at its Shanghai plant in January, extending the reduced output it began this month into next year, according to an internal schedule reviewed by Reuters.

Tesla will run production for 17 days in January between Jan. 3 to Jan. 19 and will stop electric vehicle output from Jan. 20 to Jan. 31 for an extended break for Chinese New Year, according to the plan seen by Reuters.

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Tesla did not specify a reason for the production slowdown in its output plan. It was also not clear whether work would continue outside the assembly lines for the Model 3 and Model Y at the plant during the scheduled downtime. It has not been established practice for Tesla to shut down operations for an extended period for Chinese New Year.

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Tesla suspended production at its Shanghai plant on Saturday, pulling forward an established plan to pause most work at the plant in the last week of December, Reuters has reported.

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Like other automakers, Tesla has also faced a downturn in demand in China, the world's largest auto market. Earlier this month, Tesla offered an additional incentive for buyers taking possession of vehicles in December. The company has cut prices for Model 3 and Model Y cars by up to 9% in China, in addition to a subsidy for insurance costs.

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Brokerage China Merchants Bank International (CMBI) said in a report issued on Tuesday that Tesla average daily retail sales in China from Dec. 1 through Dec. 25 were down 28% from a year earlier. It said Tesla recorded 36,533 retail sales in China from Dec. 1 through Dec. 25.

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The brokerage, which tracks week-by-week retail auto sales data in China as a snapshot of demand, said industry-wide sales were up almost 15% by the same metric through Dec. 25. It said average daily sales for BYD (002594.SZ), Tesla's larger electric vehicle rival in China, were up 93% in that period.

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Tesla's Shanghai factory, the most important manufacturing hub for Musk's electric vehicle company, kept normal operations during the last week of December last year and took a three-day break for Chinese New Year.

 

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15 hours ago, Eastwood said:

Texas seceding from the Union only to join with Mexico is some 6th grade level post apocalyptic fan fiction. Of course Elon would buy it. 

All our Texan "patriots" want to line up at the border and shoot every brown-skinned person they see but sure, we'll merge with Mexico.

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1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

Elon is absolutely Miles Bron
 

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The funny part here is how EVERYONE made the connection.  Sure, it makes sense for those of us with an already negative view of Elon to associate the two, but even Ben Shapiro whined about Rian Johnson being mean to Elon.  But there's no obvious reference in the movie:  no funny play on his name, no reference to electric vehicles or a space program or tunnels... we simply are presented with an unintelligent, unlikable, egotistical billionaire who got rich off of other people's ideas and the entire universe was like "oh, obviously that's Elon."

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yeah, had he really wanted to make it clearly Elon he would've made him Afrikaner or something extremely obvious. It's just an imitation of a stupid tech billionaire and the release happened to coincide perfectly with Elon burning his entire empire down.

Yeah, when the movie was shooting TSLA was still a STONK. They couldn't really have planned it any better than it accidentally happened with timing 

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as of 1013a

  • TSLA is down 8.37% over last day
  • 22.65% over last 5 days
  • 38.31% over last month
  • 53.93% over last 6 months
  • 71.78% YTD
  • 69.05% last 12 months

but their CEO hasn't missed any important meetings since 10/26! he is fully focused on TSLA! TWTR will bring value to TSLA stakeholders!

all you have to do matt damon GIF by Omaze

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2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Elon is absolutely Miles Bron
 

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The crazy thing is that it fits perfectly but there's no way Rian Johnson knew this or did this consciously while writing or shooting Knives Out 2. I mean Elon just immolated himself in the last 30 days, right?

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Yeah, I can't feature it dropping that fast. Seems like a slow erosion. Every tweet knocks off a little more. 

It takes Trump level shock value tweets to get that sort of movement. I suppose he could get crazier and reach that level of stupidity, but he's gonna have to Phlegm up and redouble his efforts.

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Not just the stock price sinking!

 

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Tesla used car price bubble pops, weighs on new car demand

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Tesla buyers who waited months for their new car have had an unusual choice for much of the past two years: keep the new electric vehicle, or sell it at a profit to someone with less patience.

But the days of the Tesla flip are numbered - a potential threat to new car prices that are already getting cut.

 

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Prices of used Teslas are falling faster than those of other carmakers and the clean-energy status symbols are languishing in dealer lots longer, industry data provided to Reuters showed.

The average price for a used Tesla in November was $55,754, down 17% from a July peak of $67,297. The overall used car market posted a 4% drop during that period, according to Edmunds data. The used Teslas were in dealer inventory for 50 days on average in November, compared with 38 days for all used cars.

 

Tesla used car price bubble pops, weighs on new car demand (yahoo.com)

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1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

The funny part here is how EVERYONE made the connection.  Sure, it makes sense for those of us with an already negative view of Elon to associate the two, but even Ben Shapiro whined about Rian Johnson being mean to Elon.  But there's no obvious reference in the movie:  no funny play on his name, no reference to electric vehicles or a space program or tunnels... we simply are presented with an unintelligent, unlikable, egotistical billionaire who got rich off of other people's ideas and the entire universe was like "oh, obviously that's Elon."

There were brief mentions of Alpha cars and space programs, so obviously Elon was some of the inspiration. But more as an amalgamation of all the shitty tech billionaires that we're currently stuck with.

That Elon went and claimed the "unintelligent, unlikable, egotistical billionaire who got rich off of other people's ideas" mantle all for himself in the past couple of months is just terrific.

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https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-12-27/tesla-stopped-reporting-autopilot-safety-statistics-online

 

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Like clockwork, Tesla reported Autopilot safety statistics, once every quarter, starting in 2018. Last year, those reports ceased.

Around the same time, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the nation’s top auto safety regulator, began demanding crash reports from automakers that sell so-called advanced driver assistance systems such as Autopilot. It began releasing those numbers in June. And those numbers don’t look good for Autopilot.

 

 

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Tesla won’t say why it stopped reporting its safety statistics, which measure crash rates per miles driven. The company employs no media relations department. A tweet sent to Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk inviting his comments went unanswered.

Tesla critics are happy to speak up about the situation, however. Taylor Ogan, chief executive at fund management firm Snow Bull Capital, held a Twitter Spaces event Thursday to run through his own interpretation of Tesla safety numbers. He thinks he knows why the company ceased reporting its safety record: “Because it’s gotten a lot worse.”

 

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Also on Thursday, NHTSA announced it had added two more crashes to the dozens of automated-driving Tesla incidents that it’s already investigating. One involved eight vehicles, including a Tesla Model S, on the San Francisco Bay Bridge on Thanksgiving Day.Through Friday’s close, Tesla stock has lost 65% of its value this year.

Ogan, using NHTSA crash numbers, Tesla’s previous reports, sales numbers and other records, concluded that the number of reported Tesla crashes on U.S. roads has grown far faster than Tesla’s sales growth. The average monthly growth in new Teslas since NHTSA issued its standing order was 6%, he figures, while comparable crash stats rose 21%.

 

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The Tesla Autopilot crash numbers are far higher than those of similar driver-assistance systems from General Motors and Ford. Tesla has reported 516 crashes from July 2021 through November 2022, while Ford reported seven and GM two.

To be sure, Tesla has far more vehicles equipped with driver-assist systems than the competition — an estimated 1 million, Ogan said, about 10 times as many as Ford. All else equal, that would imply Tesla ought to have a NHTSA-reported crash total of 70 since last summer to be comparable with Ford’s rate. Instead, Tesla reported 516 crashes.

Tesla’s quarterly safety reports were always controversial. They did put Tesla Autopilot in a good light: For the fourth quarter of 2021, Tesla reported one crash per 4.31 million miles driven in cars equipped with Autopilot. The company compared that with government statistics that show one crash per 484,000 miles driven on the nation’s roadways, for all vehicles and all drivers.

But statisticians have pointed out serious analytical flaws, including the fact that the Tesla stats involve newer cars being driven on highways. The government’s general statistics include cars of all ages on highways, rural roads and neighborhood streets. In other words, the comparison is apples and oranges.

None of the statistics, Tesla’s or the government’s, separate out Autopilot from the company’s controversial Full Self-Driving feature. FSD is a $15,000 option that’s more aspirational than its name implies: No car being sold today is fully autonomous, including those with FSD.

Autopilot combines adaptive cruise control with lane-keeping and lane-switching systems on highways. FSD is marketed as advanced artificial intelligence technology that can cruise neighborhood streets, stop and go at traffic lights, make turns onto busy streets and generally behave as if the car drives itself. The fine print, however, makes clear the human driver must be in full control and is legally liable for crashes — including those involving injuries and deaths.

The internet is filled with videos of FSD behaving badly — turning into oncoming traffic, confusing railroad tracks for roadways, running red lights and more.

The number of injuries and deaths involving Autopilot and FSD is unknown — except, perhaps, to Tesla. Publicly available safety statistics about autonomous and semiautonomous vehicles are scarce. Meanwhile, the crash reporting system in the U.S. is rooted in 1960s methodology, and no serious attempt to update it for the digital world appears to be in the works, at NHTSA or elsewhere.

NHTSA’s driver-assist crash statistic collection order, issued in 2021, depends on the car companies for accurate and complete reporting. (Musk has misstated FSD’s safety record in the past, including a claim that the technology had been involved in no crashes, when the public record made clear it had.)

Not all the information sent to NHTSA is available for public scrutiny.

Ogan, who drives an FSD-equipped Tesla, said more public information would allow a lot more transparency into robot car safety, at Tesla and other automakers. Tesla once reported its Autopilot utilization rate but no longer does so. “I’m looking at the only data available,” he said.

The California Department of Motor Vehicles has been investigating whether Tesla is violating its rule against marketing vehicles as fully autonomous when they’re not. Musk has stated clearly that the company plans to develop FSD to create a fully autonomous robotaxi that Tesla owners could rent out for extra cash. He had promised 1 million of them on the road by 2020, but that date came and went and no fully autonomous Tesla exists. The DMV declined to comment.

FSD’s safety and capabilities are, by Musk’s own admission, existential concerns — especially as Tesla stock continues to dive-bomb. In a June interview with Axios, he said that “solving” FSD is “really the difference between Tesla being worth a lot of money and being worth basically zero.”

 

 

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5 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

And if anything, it’s real value is probably less now than it was at the start of 2020 since (a) the guy controlling the company has proven to be a lunatic grifter obsessed with alienating Tesla’s core customer demographic, (b) yet more time has passed and more promises have been broken to expose that the robo taxi pitch was just a bunch of horseshit, and (c) everyone else has gotten into EVs and now people can no longer pretend Tesla will own that market.  

only PROBABLY less than it is now?

at one point they had a market cap bigger than Toyota + VW + Daimler + Ford + GM...combined. in 2021 Q4 they had a market cap bigger than the next 9 biggest automakers combined.

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it's going to be a joke forever about things being overvalued - even if they could deliver on every single TSLA promise Musk has ever made before 12/31/22 they still aren't worth more than the next 9 automakers combined.

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Oh without a doubt.  I meant its actual fair intrinsic value - whatever fraction of its current market cap that is - is probably less than the fair intrinsic value in early 2020.  The landscape has only gotten worse for Tesla and it’s still valued almost 4x what the market valued it at in January 2020.  There is way, way more room to fall.

harkening back to the article @Francisco 2.0posted earlier today... (FSD = full self-driving)image.thumb.png.37cedc999e0ceaf8eb35f0e50d645c34.png

 

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