Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

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On 12/1/2023 at 8:27 PM, Thetexashammer said:

My position is that we need more eccentric billionaires, not fewer.

[Hefeweizen 5,349]

Every time that dipshit posts this place gets a little dumber.  Like a piece of dogshit being hit by a hammer.

[Eastwood 4,394]

6 hours ago, NoName said:

 

Shout-out to this comment, though...

 

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[MrBig 5,477]

Incel Camino is the perfect name for it since it looks like this trash can.

[Brisketexan 105,487]

Incel Camino is the perfect name for it since it looks like this trash can.

Goddamn…that shall be its name from this day forward.

[Captain Ron 12,935]

5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Noodle arms and rubber balls. 

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51 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Noodle arms and rubber balls. 

They would not have survived 1980s junior high PE dodgeball.

[Underdog 28,826]

They were always picked last, first to get eliminated. 

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8 minutes ago, Underdog said:

They were always picked last, first to get eliminated. 

But they made great shields.

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On 12/2/2023 at 6:52 AM, F250 said:

Speak for yourself.

I will have a Cybertruck and use my skills in falconry and sword fighting to conquer the post-apocalypse.

 

On 12/2/2023 at 11:10 AM, MissingInAction said:

You stand a chance against my bo staff and Liger.

[Celery Man 21,022]

8 hours ago, MrBig said:

Incel Camino is the perfect name for it since it looks like this trash can.

Say what you will about a guy in a minivan- he’s had sex.

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15 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Say what you will about a guy in a minivan- he’s had sex.

[NoName 16,423]

IT'S OK GUYS. NEXT YEAR IT WILL ALL BE OK

what does "tutoring" an AI by humans even mean? lol

also in what universe is forced augmentation while trying to reach perfection a good thing, especially when it comes to AI? so dumb

Edited December 4, 2023 by NoName

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44 minutes ago, NoName said:

This platform is also by far the best way to reach the smartest and most influential people on Earth

When Elmo says that, he actually means "people who believe Hillary Clinton and Oprah Winfrey are smuggling and selling children through the non-existent basement of a pizza parlor" and "people who are asking if the Earth is flat or if the Holocaust happened or if we landed on the moon", right?

Because twitter is infested with those people, and I have my suspicions about whether they are smart or not.

[NoName 16,423]

6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

When Elmo says that, he actually means "people who believe Hillary Clinton and Oprah Winfrey are smuggling and selling children through the non-existent basement of a pizza parlor" and "people who are asking if the Earth is flat or if the Holocaust happened or if we landed on the moon", right?

Because twitter is infested with those people, and I have my suspicions about whether they are smart or not.

the whole comet ping pong stuff is dumb on so many levels, but dumbest things about it is that there is no basement and they picked Hillary as an example of someone who was using the adrenochrome to stay young.

she didn't look great in 2017, which to be fair she was like 70 then. it's reasonable.

 

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1 hour ago, NoName said:

but dumbest things about it is that there is no basement and they picked Hillary as an example of someone who was using the adrenochrome to stay young.

she didn't look great in 2017, which to be fair she was like 70 then. it's reasonable.

And Tom Hanks and Oprah Winfrey, both of whom they used as examples, don't look too young either, but I'm guessing Musk didn't dig too deep into the conspiracy theory when he posted/retweeted that stuff.  That's a common thing with Musk, and I've seen some claim that's the ADHD kicking in and he's already moved on to another weird view/belief before he digs too deep into anything he tweets or retweets.

Had they used Paul Rudd instead of HIllary/Oprah/Hanks, everybody would be going "holy fuck, it all makes so much sense, sign me up, where can I get some kids to steal their adenochrome?"

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2 hours ago, NoName said:

IT'S OK GUYS. NEXT YEAR IT WILL ALL BE OK

what does "tutoring" an AI by humans even mean? lol

also in what universe is forced augmentation while trying to reach perfection a good thing, especially when it comes to AI? so dumb

Modeling AI on human behavior as seen on Twitter means every person who has screamed about the dangers of AI getting out of control were not just right.  They were downplaying the danger.

[Goredho 17,455]

2 hours ago, NoName said:

IT'S OK GUYS. NEXT YEAR IT WILL ALL BE OK

what does "tutoring" an AI by humans even mean? lol

also in what universe is forced augmentation while trying to reach perfection a good thing, especially when it comes to AI? so dumb

It’s AI trained on the content of Twitter and corrected by its users.  Think about that.  All the guard rails removed from Twitter users and the content they post.  A mass exodus of decent people to other platforms who can’t stomach the prevailing content on Twitter.  Twitter basically becomes a fascist/racist/misogynous social network. Grok the AI is seeded with the thoughts of and is stewarded by fascists/racists/misogynists.  It’s going to generate dangerous misinformation at warp speed, which has always been the proximal danger of AI.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Goredho

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I’ve watched a few of the first looks at the cyber truck, I can say I find nothing that is cool or interesting. It’s also the ugliest vehicle I’ve ever seen. Fits Musk perfectly.

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8 minutes ago, 27-25 said:

Modeling AI on human behavior as seen on Twitter means every person who has screamed about the dangers of AI getting out of control were not just right.  They were downplaying the danger.

Let's not kid ourselves, it'll be modeled on Elon Musk and his tens of thousands of tweets and interviews.

And eventually that AI will start telling people to go fuck themselves and that it won't be blackmailed.

[Brisketexan 105,487]

2 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Twitter basically becomes a fascist/racist/misogynous social network. Grok the AI is seeded with the thoughts of and is stewarded by fascists/racists/misogynists.  It’s going to generate dangerous misinformation at warp speed, which has always been the proximal danger of AI.

And.....this is a feature, not a bug.

Elon wants to -- actually WANTS to -- create an AI that is a high-intelligence computer mashup of people like Elon and Ian Miles Cheong.  In purposefully moving forward to do just that, these people are an existential threat to humanity.

[NoName 16,423]

from MKBHD's 40 min "get to know the cybertruck" video - i'm not watching all of it but his conclusions:

pros:

"no truck moves in a straight line like this one does"

"have to get used to steering and nimble it feels" (because of rear wheels)

cons:

"this isn't a review" but does have an order and will be reviewing it

says it looks like a stainless steel refrigerator on wheels lol

 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by NoName

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12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Elon wants to -- actually WANTS to -- create an AI that is a high-intelligence computer mashup of people like Elon and Ian Miles Cheong.

And the creator of Dilbert.  Don’t leave him out.  

[Neonmoon 38,130]

Next year...Twitter will be profitable

Next year...we will have FSD capability

Next year...the Tesla roadster will be ready

Next year...A&M will win a championship

 

[Brisketexan 105,487]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

Next year...Twitter will be profitable

Next year...we will have FSD capability

Next year...the Tesla roadster will be ready

Next year...A&M will win a championship

 

Elon : "next year" :: TFG : "two weeks"

It's fucking comical.

The tendency of humans to gleefully believe obvious lies just because they want them to be true still baffles me.  I truly don't get it, and never will....yet entire movements that have changed the world (almost always for the worse) have been based on that tendency.  SMDH.

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Normies are obsessed with Musk's Cybertruck looks.

Techies are obsessed with Cybertruck's 48 volt architecture. 12 volt has been the standard for over 50 years, though a 1965 VW bug actually had a 6 volt system.

Tweets like the one below fairly surmises the problem. The reality is that the car industry has been moving toward 48V for the last decade. But it's a difficult transition.

Part of the reason is that we've moved from MECHANICAL linkages to ELECTRONIC. Things like the air conditioner, power steering, and power brakes tapped into the main engine mechnically. Power brakes, for example, were powered by the vacuum generatedby the engine. Even the original Tesla Model S didn't have electronic brakes -- it had an electronic device generate a vaccuum, which then powered normal brakes.

Nowadays, everything is electronic, not just in electric cars, but in traditional gasoline cars as well. Lower voltage means power needs to be delivered by thicker copper cables, which now becomes a major expense for the car, as well as an extra hundred pounds of weight to carry around.

Increasing the DC voltage to 48V from 12V reduces the the copper thickness by exactly 4 (Ohms Law), reducing the cost and weight of copper by 75%.

Specifically, one of the things driving the change is "Power over Ethernet". I know what you are thinking, WTF is Ethernet doing in a car???

Here's the deal. There are cameras throughout the car now that need to send hi-def video from the edges of the car to the central computer. This far exceeds the bandwidth of old technologies so they are using gigabite Ethernet these days. They've developed a special wiring standard that needs only a single pair of copper wires for both transmit and receive ("Single Pair Ethernet"). They've also developed enough technology to use that same pair to transmit power. These cameras use several watts of power, so would otherwise need additional cables for power. Single-pair Ethernet carrying power thus solves a ton of requirements for car makers. The desired voltage of such systems is 48 volts.

The same revolution is happening for consumers, by the way. The USB C Power Delivery standard maxes out at 48 volts when you try to power your laptop at 240 watts. Power = volts times current, and USB cables support a maximum of 5 amps of current. 48 volts is where government regulators have decided that DC electronics are "safe" from electrocuting people. Getting much beyond that introduces a whole new level of government interference and regulations.

Thus, 48 volts is probably going to be the standard for cars, Ethernet, and USB for the next hundred years.

Tesla's Cybertruck is making the jump early. As the tweet below suggests, it's likely going to result in a lot of recalls as Tesla makes fixes. But that's okay for a low-volume, new product. What Tesla doesn't want is to change to 48 volts in a Model Y and suddenly have to do a recall of a million vehicles. Cybertruck is a good test platforms to get it working. Presumably, we'll next see it in the higher end Models S/X, and then eventually in the Models 3/Y.

Tesla's willingness to up-end the auto-industry is really noteworthy. The other car companies are far more conservative, unwilling to try new things, even in their electric cars where they are struggling to keep up with Tesla.

New Cybertruck owners don't need to be told their entire product is "beta". They know that. For such a radical new model, they expect that there will be a lot of recalls, maybe the radical DC electrical system, maybe something else. In short, nerds are obsessing over nerd things.

 

the articles about recalls really are going to be a problem for Tesla, of course they don't seem to care but whats the point of "upgrading" this specific system other than to say you can?

if Cybertruck was going to be some kind of cutting edge "lets do all the cool shit we can do" platform, thats what they should have made it out to be from the start and crammed that bad boy full of cool shit and made it clear from day 1 it was going to be a long time until it was widely available and that there wouldn't be many out there at first.

but that wouldn't do jack to help the stock price. or make people happy.

it's such a dumb concept.

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2 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Fits Musk perfectly.

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2 hours ago, NoName said:

Increasing the DC voltage to 48V from 12V reduces the the copper thickness by exactly 4 (Ohms Law)

Um… what?

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17 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

2 hours ago, NoName said:

Increasing the DC voltage to 48V from 12V reduces the the copper thickness by exactly 4 (Ohms Law), reducing the cost and weight of copper by 75%.

Um… what?

To put it mildly. That whole post hurt my head.

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22 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Um… what?

4 ohms, 3 ohms. Whatever it takes. 

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25 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

 

 

To put it mildly. That whole post hurt my head.

Because it’s dumb as fuck?

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1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

Because it’s dumb as fuck?

It’s dumber than that. 

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https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-race/

Tesla Cybertruck’s Race Against A Porsche 911 Was Apparently An 1/8-Mile Run

Tesla CEO Elon Musk claimed that the race was a quarter mile, but a satellite view of the drag strip tells a different story.

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But as it turns out, the race—if its entirety was shown—was filmed on was over a much shorter eighth-mile distance. And with the Porsche creeping up on the Cybertruck’s tail as it crossed the finish line, the outcome of a race held over a full quarter-mile may not have been the same. 

One eagle-eyed Redditor happened to notice that the race was held at the now-closed Sacramento Raceway. When comparing the stills from Tesla’s footage, it can be seen that the Cybertruck and Porsche were set up to race across the first set of thick lines painted on the track, which are placed at the eighth-mile marker alongside the grandstands. (Those are not present at the quarter-mile markings on the track.) Yet during the press conference, even Tesla CEO Elon Musk was adamant that it was a proper quarter-mile drag.

“This is an actual Porsche. We literally just got it from the dealer. 2023 Porsche 911,” Musk said during the Cybertruck launch event. “It can tow a Porsche 911 across a quarter mile faster than the Porsche 911 can go by itself.”

Immediately after showing the Cybertruck win the race, Tesla claims that the highest trim Cyberbeast version of its truck can run the quarter mile in under 11.0 seconds, though it’s assumed this is without towing a 3,300-pound sports coupe on a 1,500-pound trailer.

Perhaps showing this figure directly after the eighth-mile drag, combined with Musk’s claim of the truck beating out the Porsche in a quarter mile, is what led to this misconception.

It's hard to know exactly what happened here, since we can't ask Tesla, which doesn't speak to the media. An examination of the video reveals it was definitely an eighth-of-a-mile; the grandstands don't extend to the quarter-mile marker. 

It's also not clear how Tesla actually spec'd its dealer-lot Porsche 911. Musk simply said it was an “actual” 911 and that Tesla had picked it up from a dealership. The lowliest (if you want to call such a car that) 911 Carrera crosses the quarter mile in around 12.2 seconds and offers a zero-to-60 MPH sprint in 3.9 seconds—that’s with a manual transmission. Porsche’s fast-shifting PDK dual-clutch gearbox shaves a half-second from that zero-to-60 time. It would appear that Tesla’s track car used a manual transmission, as the nose of the car can be seen dipping while the car shifts into second gear during Tesla’s race footage.

In Tesla’s defense, the tri-motor Cybertruck is remarkably quick. Plus, it’s around $15,000 cheaper than the Porsche. But it’s worth calling out that there probably isn’t much overlap in folks who cross-shop these vehicles, especially since the 911 is engineered more for balance than for straight-line speed, anyway.

That being said, the Cybertruck also supposedly wasn’t engineered just for straight-line speed but it's plenty fast anyway. In an interview with Tesla’s chief designer, Franz Von Holzhausen, it was revealed that CEO Musk mandated that the Cybertruck “had to drive like a sports car but have all the utility of a pickup truck”—all while its first prototype was delivered in just 93 days. Part of Tesla’s solution for this was in the sail panels of the truck. That panel alone is responsible for 25% of the vehicle’s torsional stiffness.

Despite all of this, we can probably assume that bombing the truck around a proper racetrack likely doesn’t feel like same as a Porsche 911.

I’ll give Tesla credit where it’s due: the stunt was good. It got people (including me) commending the automaker for a great job at marketing a flagship product four years in the making. But, one could argue that the mentioning of the quarter mile time directly after an eighth-mile race was also a bit misleading in the same go.

There’s no denying that the Cybertruck will be quick to 60, or in a straight line from a dig. Hell, it even appears to have some pretty decent towing advantages thanks to its all-electric torque. But whether it is faster than a Porsche 911 in a quarter-mile race, while towing another 911, remains unclear.

 

 

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19 hours ago, Celery Man said:

 

[MrBig 5,477]

Can we get IncEL Camino as part of the thread title please? 

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33 minutes ago, Da Fino said:

you forgot the community note on Cheong

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What will be interesting is the hear Twitter AI Gronk argue with non-twit filled AI engines.

Gronk - assumes all glass is bulletproof for example

That really smart people always say really stupid shit.  Assumption #1 being that people on twitter are smart.

Gronk is gonna be one confused fucking AI engine...

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I’m shocked that the race between the trash can and Porsche was rigged. 

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31 minutes ago, Underdog said:

I’m shocked that the race between the trash can and Porsche was rigged. 

Elon has definitely reached a point where, if he were to tell me that the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside to check if maybe I've been wrong my entire life.

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23 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

I'm sure one or more of Elon's kids will take care of him in his old age

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https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-to-face-strikes-in-norway-as-unions-back-swedish-workers-action-2023-12

 

Swedish dockworkers who aren't employed by Tesla then said they would block all deliveries of the company's vehicles from being unloaded.

Nine unions in Sweden are backing IF Metall, including postal workers who are refuse to ship license plates — leaving Tesla unable to complete deliveries, per the NYT.

On Tuesday, a labor union in Denmark backed IF Metall in its action against Tesla. 3F said it would refuse to unload or transport Tesla vehicles made for Swedish customers.

Now, Norway is joining in on the action too.

The country's largest private-sector labor union, Fellesforbundet, said Wednesday it would block Tesla shipments meant for the Swedish market if the dispute hasn't been resolved by December 20.

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19 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm sure one or more of Elon's kids will take care of him in his old age

Please. He's going to go out like Hugo in Shallow Grave.

He’s already got the couch surfing thing going. 

[Captain Ron 12,935]

Btw - I finally went 100% through the Musk interview. Man for a guy that doesn’t care about how people feel about him, he really cares about how people feel about him. That story about being excluded from the EV summit was funny as hell. 
 

 

And 10,000 more pathetic. 

[Rimbo 26,174]

On 12/1/2023 at 7:13 AM, Celery Man said:

the whole idea of a late civilizational truck that relies on a fucking powergrid is so goddamn stupid

Powergrid?

Real Tesla fanboys have Tesla solar roof tiles and Tesla home batteries so they can run off the grid.

 

 

Being slightly less than that, I bought q-panels and I'm waiting for the prices to go down on batteries.

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On 12/1/2023 at 10:38 AM, NoName said:

if a ZA happens, everyone is fucked. cars or not. solar or not. gas or not.

everyone, as a group, is fucked.

nah. zombies are good for a week at best. if you can hold out for a week, you're good.

[Captainant 27,885]

9 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Real Tesla fanboys are on the wait-list for Tesla solar roof tiles and Tesla home batteries so they can run off the grid.

Ftfy