Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[royiv 9319]

13 hours ago, tbone_ said:

I don’t get those that can’t dissociate the car with Elrod.

My GF has a model Y. I think it’s a fine car. She digs it. And I’d strap Elmo to one of his rockets if I could. So what.

Henry Ford was a nazi. Mustangs and f150s are still awesome.

I don't get those who can dissociate the car from the CEO and largest shareholders of the manufacturer. Not only that, his cars are ugly as ass from the exterior to the interior.

[Nivek 16930]

My guess is that when you start investigating you will find more reprehensible behavior from organizations you use or cannot avoid.   Dupont's penis shrinking teflon, the chicken you eat being processed at plants where they dump fat foam in creeks,  your cereal was created to stop you from touching yourself,  your BMW which used forced jewish labor, etc.   

 

[Nivek 16930]

6 minutes ago, royiv said:

I don't get those who can dissociate the car from the CEO and largest shareholders of the manufacturer. Not only that, his cars are ugly as ass from the exterior to the interior.

I think they look fine.  I was just unimpressed by how stiff the suspension/ride is.   But I live in Houston, and our roads are total shit. 

Edited February 7 by Nivek

[safe sex 11731]

Just now, Nivek said:

My guess is that when you start investigating you will find more reprehensible behavior from organizations you use or cannot avoid.   Dupont's penis shrinking teflon, the chicken you eat being processed at plants where they dump fat foam in creeks,  your cereal was created to stop you from touching yourself,  your BMW which used forced jewish labor, etc.   

 

100%. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. 

But if a company is going to straight up tell me that it's owned or run by a Nazi, especially when it comes from the Nazi's own mouth, then it's a pretty easy choice to make.

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13 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

An incomplete list of adversarial foreign leaders that have been interviewed by American outlets. 
 

Hitler

Ayatollah Khomeini

Bin Laden

[Nivek 16930]

Just now, safe sex said:

100%. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. 

But if a company is going to straight up tell me that it's owned or run by a Nazi, especially when it comes from the Nazi's own mouth, then it's a pretty easy choice to make.

If we are talking about Musk, sure.  He is and has been raised and rewarded for being a POS.   His business practice demonstrated that when he hired the guy from Mercedes to revamp their production lines, and then fired him after he completed the task in order to screw him out of the money/bonuses.  It was also apparent to anyone who knows a CEO of even a midtier size company how much work is involved, to know that it is impossible for a person to do the job for multiple organizations, that was just his hubris on display.   His move to the right was entirely predictable.  

 

[royiv 9319]

7 minutes ago, Nivek said:

My guess is that when you start investigating you will find more reprehensible behavior from organizations you use or cannot avoid.   Dupont's penis shrinking teflon, the chicken you eat being processed at plants where they dump fat foam in creeks,  your cereal was created to stop you from touching yourself,  your BMW which used forced jewish labor, etc.   

 

No doubt. But I can avoid Tesla so I do.

As for BMW, it's funny that you bring it up since I have two sitting in my garage and it's definitely something I've thought of, but the fact is that the two I own weren't built with forced Jewish labor since they were both built within the last six years. I also haven't heard that the CEO openly supports things that I find reprehensible. If I did, I would move on the next time I needed a new car. Lots of manufacturers out there to choose from.

[Nivek 16930]

1 minute ago, david chaum said:

An incomplete list of adversarial foreign leaders that have been interviewed by American outlets. 
 

Hitler

Ayatollah Khomeini

Bin Laden

Guess who's back. back again.  Disinformation Barbie is back, tell a friend. 

[david chaum 39]

9 minutes ago, safe sex said:

100%. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. 

But if a company is going to straight up tell me that it's owned or run by a Nazi, especially when it comes from the Nazi's own mouth, then it's a pretty easy choice to make.

Wait, who’s the nazi? Henry Ford? Elon?

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12 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Dupont's penis shrinking teflon, ...,  your cereal was created to stop you from touching yourself,

 

[Neonmoon 38129]

Crushing it

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6 minutes ago, F250 said:

 

It’s real. Lot of dudes walking around with less than 7 inches.

[Nivek 16930]

1 minute ago, royiv said:

No doubt. But I can avoid Tesla so I do.

As for BMW, it's funny that you bring it up since I have two sitting in my garage and it's definitely something I've thought of, but the fact is that the two I own weren't built with forced Jewish labor since they were both built within the last six years. I also haven't heard that the CEO openly supports things that I find reprehensible. If I did, I would move on the next time I needed a new car. Lots of manufacturers out there to choose from.

That was the point.  I could have wrote Mitsubishi instead. 

And Henry Ford wasn't alone in his Nazi sympathies.  To their credit, those pre-war sympathetic folks turned against them post war and after learning more about what those fucks were doing, or at least, they no longer openly supported it and many of those groups lost their open audience.  Here is a nice article, if slightly tangential. 

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17 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Guess who's back. back again.  Disinformation Barbie is back, tell a friend. 

Are you sure?  Has anybody checked the bitcoin/crypto thread?

[Neonmoon 38129]

Elon is funneling money from Tesla to X. lol

[DigglerontheHoof 21200]

10 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Elon is funneling money from Tesla to X. lol

A free MyPillow w/ every purchase!!!

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53 minutes ago, Nivek said:

My guess is that when you start investigating you will find more reprehensible behavior from organizations you use or cannot avoid.   Dupont's penis shrinking teflon, the chicken you eat being processed at plants where they dump fat foam in creeks,  your cereal was created to stop you from touching yourself,  your BMW which used forced jewish labor, etc.   

 

Look at our own Surly Horns.  We give $3.50/month to those degens and God knows what kinda twisted stuff they use it for.

[Nivek 16930]

57 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Elon is funneling money from Tesla to X. lol

let me guess, $55 billion worth of advertisement

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2 hours ago, royiv said:

I don't get those who can dissociate the car from the CEO and largest shareholders of the manufacturer. Not only that, his cars are ugly as ass from the exterior to the interior.

It's funny, there's a Telsa owner at my gym with the license plate "PFFT GAS" and they just added a bumper sticker that says "I bough this Telsa before I knew Elon was nuts" 

[C-Man 27229]

Elmo is paying Gina Carano's legal fees in her wrongful termination lawsuit against Disney:

https://deadline.com/2024/02/gina-carano-sues-disney-mandalorian-1235816821/

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When it comes to fired The Mandalorian actress Gina Carano and Elon Musk, revenge against the Walt Disney Company is served piping hot, even if it takes a bit of time and tries to snare Pedro Pascal and Mark Hamill.

Three years after ex-MMA fighter Carano was axed by the then Bob Chapek-run Disney for comparing the political climate in America to Nazi Germany, Carano on Tuesday sued Disney and Star Wars shingle Lucasfilm for dropping her from the bounty-hunter series – and the X/Tesla owner is paying for her lawyers.

“A short time ago in a galaxy not so far away, Defendants made it clear that only one orthodoxy in thought, speech, or action was acceptable in their empire, and that those who dared to question or failed to fully comply would not be tolerated,” reads the complaint seeking a jury trial filed this morning in federal court says. “And so it was with Carano.”

“The rule of law still reigns over the Defendants’ empire … and Carano has returned to demand that they be held accountable for their bullying, discriminatory, and retaliatory actions — actions that inflicted not only substantial emotional harm, but millions of dollars in lost income,” adds the suit, which alleges wrongful discharge and sex discrimination.

On February 21, 2021, not long after the second season of The Mandalorian co-starring Carano had concluded on Disney+, Lucasfilm put out a scathing statement on its business with the actress: “Gina Carano is not currently employed by Lucasfilm and there are no plans for her to be in the future. Nevertheless, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable.”

With the suit, Carano and her lawyers are hoping to call out Disney and Lucasfilm for reneging on a deal and sacrificing free speech.

“In addition to terminating her, Defendants refused to hire her for roles already promised, including but not limited to Season 3 of The Mandalorian, the new series Rangers of the New Republic, and planned future Stars Wars full length feature films (which have recently been announced) — all because of her political beliefs and in disparate treatment from her male co-workers,” the complaint asserts.

Read Gina Carano’s lawsuit against Disney, Lucasfilm and Huckleberry Industries over her The Mandalorian firing here.

The openly conservative Carano is also seeking to paint the now Bob Iger-run Disney as having a sexist double standard. “Defendants also discriminated against Carano by treating her differently from her male co-stars who also made public, political statements on social media,” the suit says. “Her male co-stars were not disciplined, let alone terminated in a way to destroy their careers even though some would find their statements ‘abhorrent.’ “

To that point, the suit spotlights posts and statements by Mandalorian lead Pedro Pascal and Luke Skywalker himself (and Mandalorian Season 2 finale guest) Mark Hamill regarding Donald Trump and the former president’s policies being like those of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. In language similar to the references to Pascal, Carano’s suit says “Defendants did not comment on, let alone publicly condemn Hamill’s social media comments.” 

Seeking a slew of damages and a court order to get back her Mandalorian role of Rebel ranger Cara Dune, Carano took to social media today to amplify her long-delayed legal move. Claiming her “words were consistently twisted to demonize & dehumanize me as an alt right wing extremist,” the ex-UTA represented actress (the agency dropped her not long after Disney/Lucasfilm did in February 2021) also revealed that Musk is playing for her.

Disney has not replied to Deadline’s request for comment on Carano’s Musk-backed suit. If and when the Mouse House does, this post will be updated.

Musk’s team was quick to confirm its financial support of Carano and stick the shiv in Disney’s side.

“As a sign of X Corp.’s commitment to free speech, we’re proud to provide financial support for Gina Carano’s lawsuit, empowering her to seek vindication of her free speech rights on X and the ability to work without bullying, harassment, or discrimination,” read a statement released today by the Musk-owned social media platform’s head of business operations Joe Benarroch.

Of course, coming off a big defeat in federal court in Florida last week in its now-appealed free speech lawsuit against Gov. Ron DeSantis, Disney may not recognize the irony at play here. It may also wonder if Musk’s deep pockets for Carano has something to do with Disney joining other corporations to pause its advertising on X in November after the Tesla kingpin retweeted a distinctly antisemitic post.

With Iger sitting nearby, Musk lashed out at Disney and others for the ad boycott at a November 29, 2023 high-profile media conference. “Somebody’s going to try to blackmail me with advertising?” Musk responded after being a question from moderator Andrew Ross Sorkin on the situation. “Blackmail me with money? Go f*ck yourself. Go. F*ck. Yourself. Is that clear? I hope it is.”

“Hey, Bob, if you’re here in the audience,” Musk made a point of adding to Iger, who was there. “Sorry, that’s how I feel.”

Taking a swing at Chapek’s “failed leadership as Disney’s CEO” and accusation of the actress being opposed to trans rights and pronouns, the Black Lives Matter movement, Covid protocols and more, Carano’s Schaerr Jaffe attorneys have framed their client’s controversy and eventually pink-slipping as the consequence of her refusal to be bullied.

Carano claims that even before the Mandalorian firing, she was under constant pressure from Disney to “continue with her ‘re-education’ program,’ ” make “a public apology,” which never happened, and sit with two GLAAD representatives, among other missives. Carano further alleges that in late 2020, Disney/Lucasfilm “communicated to Carano’s publicist that they were going to require Carano to participate in a Zoom call with Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy and 45 employees who identify as part of the LGBTQ+ community, going so far as to say that her willingness to endure such harassment and humiliation was a ‘litmus test’ for her.”

That virtual meeting never occurred, though Carano’s filing says she did offer to take some of those employees out to dinner – an offer that was rebuffed.

While Carano objects to being portrayed as an extremist, it should be noted that one of her first moves after being fired by Disney in 2021 was to jump into Terror on the Prairie. Carano is producing the feature with Ben Shapiro and film director Jeremy Boreing’s conservative media company The Daily Wire. In November 2021, Carano went online to announce she has joined the First Family biopic My Son Hunter from director Robert Davi. Distributed by Brietbart News, the Biden family flick with co-star Lawrence Fox was released in September 2022.

Last week, Carano took to Instagram soon after the death of Carl Weathers was made public, revealing the Rocky legend and her Mandalorian co-star/director called her up after Disney fired her to tell her he “didn’t want me to give up, he was letting me know that he wasn’t throwing me away, he was trying to keep my hope alive in what seemed like a quite hopeless scenario, he showed me he cared. That is who he was.”

 

[royiv 9319]

29 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It's funny, there's a Telsa owner at my gym with the license plate "PFFT GAS" and they just added a bumper sticker that says "I bough this Telsa before I knew Elon was nuts" 

Neighbor? I've seen that same car a couple of times.

[Js1 85340]

Just now, royiv said:

Neighbor? I've seen that same car a couple of times.

Heights/GOOF/Timbergrove bros, holla.

[royiv 9319]

Just now, Js1 said:

Heights/GOOF/Timbergrove bros, holla.

Close. Montrose here.

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I think there's a couple of people with similar tags and stickers because I stg I've seen that car too 

[Rudiger 1163]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Elmo is paying Gina Carano's legal fees in her wrongful termination lawsuit against Disney:

https://deadline.com/2024/02/gina-carano-sues-disney-mandalorian-1235816821/

 

Carano is about to find out that paying and saying you’ll pay are two different things. 

[High Plains Drifter 11049]

 

Would The Mouse just saying "Look we fired her ass because she fucking sucks as an actress. She can't fucking act. Evidence? You want evidence? Have you watched the episodes she was in?" be a viable defense?

 

 

[Js1 85340]

24 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Would The Mouse just saying "Look we fired her ass because she fucking sucks as an actress. She can't fucking act. Evidence? You want evidence? Have you watched the episodes she was in?" be a viable defense?

 

 

Her contract was up and not renewed. She has no case 

[Captainant 27671]

24 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Would The Mouse just saying "Look we fired her ass because she fucking sucks as an actress. She can't fucking act. Evidence? You want evidence? Have you watched the episodes she was in?" be a viable defense?

Thing is - she wasn't "fired". Her contract for her role in the Mandalorian finished, and mouse chose not to give her a new contract for another role. This is more boo-hoo performative victimhood

[Brisketexan 105143]

35 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Thing is - she wasn't "fired". Her contract for her role in the Mandalorian finished, and mouse chose not to give her a new contract for another role. This is more boo-hoo performative victimhood

Bingo.  Nobody is obligated to enter into a personal services contract with another person.  There could be some NARROW exception (maybe -- truly, not my area of law) if the reason was openly racially discriminatory (say, a building solicited bids from painting contractors, but said "no black people need submit bids").  But when it comes to the unique services that an actor and personality provides, the reason of "you aren't good for our brand" should be more than sufficient to overcome any complaint.  It's why, the next time they put out a casting call for the next Bond girl, and I submit my application as an unattractive 50+ yr old male, I won't have any basis for a claim when the producers decline to enter into an acting services contract with me.

Disney concluded that its target audience didn't want to see Gina Carano in their productions anymore.  Yes, it was based on some shitty things she said.  And yes, there are shitty things that other people could say that would NOT alienate Disney's target audience, so Disney wouldn't care.  That's life.  Being a fucking asshole can cost you a job opportunity in a business where "being likable" is a fucking core element of the job.

[Js1 85340]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Bingo.  Nobody is obligated to enter into a personal services contract with another person.  There could be some NARROW exception (maybe -- truly, not my area of law) if the reason was openly racially discriminatory (say, a building solicited bids from painting contractors, but said "no black people need submit bids").  But when it comes to the unique services that an actor and personality provides, the reason of "you aren't good for our brand" should be more than sufficient to overcome any complaint.  It's why, the next time they put out a casting call for the next Bond girl, and I submit my application as an unattractive 50+ yr old male, I won't have any basis for a claim when the producers decline to enter into an acting services contract with me.

Disney concluded that its target audience didn't want to see Gina Carano in their productions anymore.  Yes, it was based on some shitty things she said.  And yes, there are shitty things that other people could say that would NOT alienate Disney's target audience, so Disney wouldn't care.  That's life.  Being a fucking asshole can cost you a job opportunity in a business where "being likable" is a fucking core element of the job.

Also the obvious part where Disney is not the government - they can fire her or terminate a contract or not renew her for whatever reason they want that isn't discriminatory against race, class, gender, disability or sexuality.  Isn't this the fundamentals of "right to work" that these fucking morons champion? 

Being a stupid fucking moron is not a disability. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

3 hours ago, C-Man said:

Elmo is paying Gina Carano's legal fees in her wrongful termination lawsuit against Disney:

https://deadline.com/2024/02/gina-carano-sues-disney-mandalorian-1235816821/

 

She's still not gonna fuck you, Elmo.

[Neonmoon 38129]

2 hours ago, BeardIP said:

I've always heard old school Jews refer to Mercedes and BMW's as "Nazi Sleds": https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nazi sled

I also know people who refuse to buy Mitsubishi due to their direct involvement (manufacturing and deployment) of kamikaze bombers in WWII.

You gotta pick and choose your ethical lines to cross, I guess. 

In case anyone needs help comparing BMW v Tesla. I have an easy trick 

Did the company owners PREVIOUSLY support Nazis/White Supremacy or CURRENTLY supports Nazis/White Supremacy?

 

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It's really not hard lol

[Captainant 27671]

1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

Yea, but what I posit is, why not boycott both/all? That's my ethical stance, and it has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything but Asian made vehicles because I'm poor/middle class. Maybe a little bit, most mostly ethics!

My grandaddy would've shit a brick if he knew I drove a Japanese car - have you heard what THEY did??? 

[Captain Ron 12876]

1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

Yea, but what I posit is, why not boycott both/all? That's my ethical stance, and it has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything but Asian made vehicles because I'm poor/middle class. Maybe a little bit, most mostly ethics!

I can't help what companies did in the past. I can take a stance on what they are doing now and how they are handling their past. I don't see German companies that were around during WW2 actively embracing their Nazi history. And if they were - i absolutely would be boycotting their products.

So when I see Elon Musk acting like a total A-hole about things, you're damn right I am not going to do things that directly puts money in the coffers of his companies.

And let's be fair, Musk isn't special in this regard. I make this decision in a lot of companies. Lowes > Home Depot, Target > Walmart, etc. Am I perfect in this regard? No, but I do my best.

[conVINCEd 21469]

12 minutes ago, Captainant said:

My grandaddy would've shit a brick if he knew I drove a Japanese car - have you heard what THEY did??? 

 My granddaddy did shit a brick when I pulled up in front of their house in a Toyota.

[Chopper 17235]

5 hours ago, Rudiger said:

Carano is about to find out that paying and saying you’ll pay are two different things. 

Also assuming he upholds his word, he said nothing about paying the DEFENDANT'S attorney fees. Which, because her lawsuit is total b.s. and an attempt to intimidate and harass, I believe she has a good shot at ultimately becoming responsible for paying under CA's anti-SLAPP law.

[Chopper 17235]

Wow this is so weird, almost on cue Elmo hugs an actual nazi,

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4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It's why, the next time they put out a casting call for the next Bond girl, and I submit my application as an unattractive 50+ yr old male, I won't have any basis for a claim when the producers decline to enter into an acting services contract with me.

 

[Neonmoon 38129]

4 hours ago, BeardIP said:

Yea, but what I posit is, why not boycott both/all? That's my ethical stance, and it has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything but Asian made vehicles because I'm poor/middle class. Maybe a little bit, most mostly ethics!

Why not boycott all? It’s a choice, but to err is human, and redemption is a noble pursuit. Acting like a piece of shit in the present deserves ridicule and derision 

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1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Wow this is so weird, almost on cue Elmo hugs an actual nazi,

At first glance I thought the guy in the red hat was Clayton Bigsby.

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12 hours ago, safe sex said:

100%. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. 

But if a company is going to straight up tell me that it's owned or run by a Nazi, especially when it comes from the Nazi's own mouth, then it's a pretty easy choice to make.

Guess you don’t like space travel. 

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5 hours ago, Captainant said:

My grandaddy would've shit a brick if he knew I drove a Japanese car - have you heard what THEY did??? 

5 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

 My granddaddy did shit a brick when I pulled up in front of their house in a Toyota.

Should have been a Mitsubishi, and then he could tell you about the logo and Pearl Harbor.

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Tesla is the worst-performing stock in the S&P 500 this year so far.

but sure, let's give the CEO $55b!

 

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1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

Fair enough. The one thing that sticks out to me is Chanel and Hugo Boss being Nazis. For my part I won’t ever give them any money and wince when I see people— especially gays, blacks and Jews— wearing Hugo Boss.

Also I don’t like to take any Bayer-backed medicine. 

Hugo Boss died over 75 years ago.  I'm pretty sure he's not benefitting from people buying the clothes that bear his name.  

[Captain Ron 12876]

1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

Fair enough. The one thing that sticks out to me is Chanel and Hugo Boss being Nazis. For my part I won’t ever give them any money and wince when I see people— especially gays, blacks and Jews— wearing Hugo Boss.

Also I don’t like to take any Bayer-backed medicine. 

29 minutes ago, Longhornfan1024 said:

Hugo Boss died over 75 years ago.  I'm pretty sure he's not benefitting from people buying the clothes that bear his name.  

 

My bigger thing about companies like this is that the time to take action against them was after WW2, not now. If they were such detestable people, why not shut them down then?

Like I said - many companies in the past made their money being Nazi, using slave labor, sweat shops, and various other bad actions. If they still do it - don't spend their money there.

And if you want to take that stance "once bad, always bad" - make sure you look at everything you buy.

[Captainant 27671]

3 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Like I said - many companies in the past made their money being Nazi, using slave labor, sweat shops, and various other bad actions. If they still do it - don't spend their money there.

https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-investigation-c6f0eb4747963283316e494eadf08c4e

[Captain Ron 12876]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-investigation-c6f0eb4747963283316e494eadf08c4e

[Captain Ron 12876]

14 hours ago, Chopper said:

Wow this is so weird, almost on cue Elmo hugs an actual nazi,

So looked at Malema, got details ...

First - he isn't going to be elected prime minister, his party has maybe 15% support nationwide. So they won't be able to take power.

Now as for calling for genocide ... it's complicated - but he does use very incendiary language - specifically a song "Kill the Boer" which can be interpretable as that, though his group claims it's not. I will say the song isn't quite as far a "from the river to the sea ..." - which was coopted by terrorist groups and thus is associated with antisemitism. But it is language from an oppressed people about wanting to take back that which they feel was taken from them. And it is pretty fiery.

Gifted article on the topic - https://wapo.st/42w5B62

 

[royiv 9319]

2 hours ago, BeardIP said:

Fair enough. The one thing that sticks out to me is Chanel and Hugo Boss being Nazis. For my part I won’t ever give them any money and wince when I see people— especially gays, blacks and Jews— wearing Hugo Boss.

Also I don’t like to take any Bayer-backed medicine. 

How do you feel about modern day companies like Nike and Apple using child labor?