Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[Post Oak 20209]

Two cunts.  

[Schulz2.0 28951]

54 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

Two cunts.  

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2 hours ago, NoName said:

from a recap of the episode lol

 

Hate speech is NOT allowed on twitter, at least if you are naming a neo-Nazi from Spring, Texas - it'll get your account nuked.

2 hours ago, NoName said:

 

this last one is incredible, what an insufferable cunt.

Yep, like I said, he doesn't understand the First Amendment (didn't he have to take some kind of civics test to become a citizen?

[Neonmoon 38129]

He’s such a joke

”We are all descended from slaves”

”Let’s just move on” (regarding racism) like a true libertarian moron. “Let’s just treat everyone equally”. Lemon is like, um, we all agree with that but that is nor happening, there is evidence its not happening, so for you to tell people to move on is insulting 

lol

[Fastbreak 3984]

Yep, like I said, he doesn't understand the First Amendment (didn't he have to take some kind of civics test to become a citizen?

Yeah. The test involved counting to 1000 and Benjamin Franklin.

[Captain Ron 12872]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Holy shit he’s more of a snowflake than I thought.  And he still doesn’t understand the First Amendment after all this time.

“Choose your questions carefully”

”you are upsetting me”

 

 

 

 

Jesus Christ, Elon Musk is a fucking idiot and this interview just exposes him and puts him in such a bad light.

First - I would love someone to fact check this whole interview - it would be a fascinating breakdown, that probably would not look good for Elon. I can't fathom how many Pinocchios that the WashPo would rate this interview 

 

But as a whole, you know what he reminds me of? That idiot guy you knew back in first or second year in college in the dorms that would debate you and "get" you on stupid semantics or logical fallacies (before we understood they weren't valid arguments). 

43 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

a true libertarian moron

This really nails so much of his arguments.

Where to even begin? I think the DEI debate is as good of a place to start as any, because it seemed to be a really high point of Musk's argument making zero sense. He was throwing out a hypothetical argument about lowering standards killing people. To which Lemon pressed wasn't happening, so why imply it was happen. Elon responds with his lame: "I didn't say it's happening ... I said it will. I said if we lower status people will die." It was really sad to watch. Throwing out a hypothetical just to give yourself some layer of defense, "I didn't say that, I said IF ..." ... really? That's what you're going with Elon? And it was tiring because the whole 12+ minute thing was a lot of that. And citing something about Duke lowering the standards of becoming a doctor - something that also makes no sense since they only educate, they don't let you be a doctor. It should also be noted - there is doesn't appear to be anything that backs up this claim about Duke doing anything of the sort.

His arguments about slavery and racism were also so pathetic too. "I think we we we want to look to the future rather than the past" "Everyone was a slave okay? We are all descended from slaves." "If we keep talking about [slavery] non-stop it will never go away." And yeah, to tell anyone, especially a black person, they should just move on when it comes to racism - really?

I also love in all of that in all of the DEI/racism/trans discussions, he says something to the effect that we should care about people integrity? Him a man of such high integrity. Let's see:

• Not paying rent
• Not paying severance
• Not paying vendors and 3rd parties

And those were the quick, easy ones to find in a quick search - I know there are a ton of other things that could be used as examples.

What about the advertiser thing where Lemon just nails him?

Lemon: "You said that [advertisers] are killing the company. But you're the head of the company the buck doesn't stop with you?"
Elon: "I acquired X in order to preserve freedom of speech in America the First Amendment and I'm going to stick to that and if that means making less money so be it"
...
Lemon: "I mean wouldn't you say the buck stops with the President of the United States regardless of what happens right?"
[Elon was nods yes]
Lemon "So I why would that question upset you? You seem upset by it, are you?"
Elon: "Well you are upsetting me because the way you're phrasing questions I think is is not cogent."

WHAT THE FUCK dude? Not Cogent? I think he just put together a very basic He's the leader, the buck stops with him; you're the leader, why doesn't the buck stop with you? Example, and Elon got pissed because he was nailed to the fucking wall with that one.

I have read some articles and such that say things to the effect that "Elon got over because Don Lemon just didn't understand." Lemon didn't understand because most of Elon's arguments didn't make any fucking sense!!! He talked in word salads, and platitudes. "I care about the reality of goodness, not the perception of it." It was all over the top.

 

Oh, and I really loved the talk about the Roadster, I'm not sure which was the most far fetched claim he made: 0-60 in under 1 second of the fact that they will deliver it by the end of this year. SpaceX-Tesla colaboration?

 

And even calling the Cybertruck a "once in a decade product" was fucking rich. No dude, it's a truck and it's electric. So you made it look different ... AND? It's still a truck, a mode of transportation that's been made for decades. The iPhone was a "once in a ____" product because until then because it invented a whole new market. Jobs could do that, you just take something and change it a little "ONCE IN A DECADE!!!" I finished the Issacson book on Jobs a few weeks ago, all I can say is that Elon isn't even close to being in the same class as Jobs.

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16 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

And even calling the Cybertruck a "once in a decade product" was fucking rich. No dude, it's a truck and it's electric. So you made it look different ... AND? It's still a truck, a mode of transportation that's been made for decades. The iPhone was a "once in a ____" product because until then because it invented a whole new market. Jobs could do that, you just take something and change it a little "ONCE IN A DECADE!!!" I finished the Issacson book on Jobs a few weeks ago, all I can say is that Elon isn't even close to being in the same class as Jobs.

It doesn't seem to have tow hooks, it has a ridiculously small bed, which goes away if you buy a spare tire that can only be stored in the truck bed, because God forbid you have a problem with a tire and have to change a tire on the side of the road in the middle of Bumfuck, nowhere.  And numerous other things, none of which make people think "wow, that's new and works so much better than the F-150 I normally drive!"  Unless paying thousands of dollars extra for a tent that looks like shit is revolutionary.

I suffered through pre-iPhone smartphone and PDA hell (Windows CE/Mobile/PocketPC, Palm, some Java-based phones, etc.) and when I saw the iPhone, I was like "yup, Apple did it."   It was lightning bolt fast for me to realize the difference between the Before Times and the iPhone.  There has been nothing about the CyberTruck that leaves me with that feeling and every time I see one now, it just reinforces that the Rivian looks better.

[Hank Kingsley 20916]

I couldn't make it more than 10 minutes into that interview. Lemon sucks, and Elon is so awkward and red-pilled and hopeless. 

Guys, I've got a billion dollar app idea. It's called 2014 Twitter. Moderate the shit out of it, bring back the lulz and newsfeed aspect. The problem with places like bluesky is it was created as a political counterpart to Twitter. All I want is legitimate newsfeed(movies/TV, sports, music, basic politics) and people being funny. Free for everyone, no paid for blue checks, and wipe out the bots. No payouts for engagement or going viral. 

[Captain Ron 12872]

Cybertruck a “once in a decade” product makes sense to me now. It’s the new Tesla release schedule, once every decade. 

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

10 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Cybertruck a “once in a decade” product makes sense to me now. It’s the new Tesla release schedule, once every decade. 

Can’t wait for cybervan

[Fastbreak 3984]

Elon’s design sessions involve a fat bong and a jug of high end tequila.

“Dude, it’s the boring company. Hehehe”

[NoName 16351]

5 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

 

 

Jesus Christ, Elon Musk is a fucking idiot and this interview just exposes him and puts him in such a bad light.

First - I would love someone to fact check this whole interview - it would be a fascinating breakdown, that probably would not look good for Elon. I can't fathom how many Pinocchios that the WashPo would rate this interview 

 

But as a whole, you know what he reminds me of? That idiot guy you knew back in first or second year in college in the dorms that would debate you and "get" you on stupid semantics or logical fallacies (before we understood they weren't valid arguments). 

This really nails so much of his arguments.

Where to even begin? I think the DEI debate is as good of a place to start as any, because it seemed to be a really high point of Musk's argument making zero sense. He was throwing out a hypothetical argument about lowering standards killing people. To which Lemon pressed wasn't happening, so why imply it was happen. Elon responds with his lame: "I didn't say it's happening ... I said it will. I said if we lower status people will die." It was really sad to watch. Throwing out a hypothetical just to give yourself some layer of defense, "I didn't say that, I said IF ..." ... really? That's what you're going with Elon? And it was tiring because the whole 12+ minute thing was a lot of that. And citing something about Duke lowering the standards of becoming a doctor - something that also makes no sense since they only educate, they don't let you be a doctor. It should also be noted - there is doesn't appear to be anything that backs up this claim about Duke doing anything of the sort.

His arguments about slavery and racism were also so pathetic too. "I think we we we want to look to the future rather than the past" "Everyone was a slave okay? We are all descended from slaves." "If we keep talking about [slavery] non-stop it will never go away." And yeah, to tell anyone, especially a black person, they should just move on when it comes to racism - really?

I also love in all of that in all of the DEI/racism/trans discussions, he says something to the effect that we should care about people integrity? Him a man of such high integrity. Let's see:

• Not paying rent
• Not paying severance
• Not paying vendors and 3rd parties

And those were the quick, easy ones to find in a quick search - I know there are a ton of other things that could be used as examples.

What about the advertiser thing where Lemon just nails him?

Lemon: "You said that [advertisers] are killing the company. But you're the head of the company the buck doesn't stop with you?"
Elon: "I acquired X in order to preserve freedom of speech in America the First Amendment and I'm going to stick to that and if that means making less money so be it"
...
Lemon: "I mean wouldn't you say the buck stops with the President of the United States regardless of what happens right?"
[Elon was nods yes]
Lemon "So I why would that question upset you? You seem upset by it, are you?"
Elon: "Well you are upsetting me because the way you're phrasing questions I think is is not cogent."

WHAT THE FUCK dude? Not Cogent? I think he just put together a very basic He's the leader, the buck stops with him; you're the leader, why doesn't the buck stop with you? Example, and Elon got pissed because he was nailed to the fucking wall with that one.

I have read some articles and such that say things to the effect that "Elon got over because Don Lemon just didn't understand." Lemon didn't understand because most of Elon's arguments didn't make any fucking sense!!! He talked in word salads, and platitudes. "I care about the reality of goodness, not the perception of it." It was all over the top.

 

Oh, and I really loved the talk about the Roadster, I'm not sure which was the most far fetched claim he made: 0-60 in under 1 second of the fact that they will deliver it by the end of this year. SpaceX-Tesla colaboration?

 

And even calling the Cybertruck a "once in a decade product" was fucking rich. No dude, it's a truck and it's electric. So you made it look different ... AND? It's still a truck, a mode of transportation that's been made for decades. The iPhone was a "once in a ____" product because until then because it invented a whole new market. Jobs could do that, you just take something and change it a little "ONCE IN A DECADE!!!" I finished the Issacson book on Jobs a few weeks ago, all I can say is that Elon isn't even close to being in the same class as Jobs.

 

[B00M 6414]

So anything bad that happens in the US was due to DEI?

Edited March 19 by B00M

[Neonmoon 38129]

“I have a room full of people waiting to talk to me” 

what a loser 

[Captainant 27647]

19 minutes ago, B00M said:

So anything bad that happens in the US was due to DEI?

['stache 21802]

For when all those tech bros knock up tech girls and have kids, the cyber minivan. Completely revolutionary.

 

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

“I have a room full of people waiting to talk to me” 

what a loser 

 

And that "room" was his Twitter account.

 

 

[NoName 16351]

Don Lemon Calls Elon Musk Most ‘Sensitive and Touchy’ Person He’s Ever Interviewed

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/don-lemon-calls-elon-musk-most-sensitive-and-touchy-person-hes-ever-interviewed/

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“I went into this with my eyes open. I’ve interviewed many world leaders, presidents to convicts, and no one has been more sensitive or touchy than Elon Musk,” Lemon said. “And during the interview and during other interviews, he constantly says he doesn’t care what people write or say about him. For someone who doesn’t care about what people write or say about him, he sure does care about what people write or say about him.”

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“When I questioned him about things that he put out on social media, posted or tweeted, that weren’t factual, it was very uncomfortable for him. To the point to where [he and his team] wanted to see the interview before it aired. Which was a a big capital N no.”

i think Don Lemon is a total lightweight and think next to nothing of him, but like the tweet above said - the guy just absolutely fucking cooked Elon.

Edited March 19 by NoName

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21 minutes ago, 'stache said:

For when all those tech bros knock up tech girls and have kids, the cyber minivan. Completely revolutionary.

 

If you hit a pedestrian at the right speed with that thing, they kind of just roll up the hood and over the windshield and roof without scratching anything.
 

[B00M 6414]

5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

If you hit a pedestrian at the right speed with that thing, they kind of just roll up the hood and over the windshield and roof without scratching anything.
 

Useful for those woke protesters that like to block streets. 

 

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

“I have a room full of people waiting to talk to me” 

PUT IT ON MY GRAVESTONE 

 

[Parliament 14255]

Neither of those guys acquit themselves well in the interview.  Hard to say good things about either of them.

[NoName 16351]

1 minute ago, Parliament said:

Neither of those guys acquit themselves well in the interview.  Hard to say good things about either of them.

one guy looked significantly worse than the other in the interview - hint: it wasn't this guy

Spoiler

 

[chainsaw 9865]

All things considered, I can't really see how this could have worked out better for Don Lemon:

1. You look smart despite not actually being smart
2. An otherwise boring interview has more sizzle due to the interviewee's softness
3. You're no longer contractually bound to a joke platform that's hemorrhaging users by the day
4. Musk's attempts to get ahead of the "story" did nothing cause a massive Streisand Effect driving up interest of the interview before it was published
5. Story got so big that MSM outlets have to cover it and have to book Don Lemon as a guest right at the time Don Lemon could most use the publicity

[Hank Kingsley 20916]

3 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Neither of those guys acquit themselves well in the interview.  Hard to say good things about either of them.

Excellent and very clear "both sides" argument. 

Advantage: push. 

Nothing to see hear. Move on. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Neither of those guys acquit themselves well in the interview.  Hard to say good things about either of them.

I think if anybody is in that situation, while I would like them to press Musk on his stupid shit more than Lemon did, I think the end goal should be to just get Musk to talk as much as possible,

Musk was basically Nathan Thurm

 

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[Captain Ron 12872]

Coming back to the interview this morning. A few more things

1. I know I implied this with the use of the Pinocchio images, but I will just say this outright: ELON MUSK IS A LIAR and this interview is just a mass show of that. This could be an endless stream from the interview, but highlights: Met with Trump by chance (they just both happened to be there), the claims on the Roadster 2.0, his claims about hate speech IE views vs the content just being there isn't being promoted, etc.

2. Semantics - this is something out of high school debate. I know this one is a dead horse, but like when they were debating Twitter's responsibility for moderation and the exchange was:
Lemon: "I'm asking about you and responsibility on your platform and I see how you feel now. You don't agree ... we don't agree on this"
Elon: "Yes you want censorship and I don't"
Lemon: "no I don't want censorship at all"
Elon: "yes you do."
Lemon: "No I want responsibility I think there's ..."
Elon: "You desperately want censorship."
Lemon: "no I ..."
Elon: "You want censorship so bad you can taste it."

They have no responsibility (he did cite unless it's against the law), because to take down a single word would be censorship. And so by using this argument, he can completely skirt the debate about responsibility via semantics - weak

I will note this is the one place where I feel Lemon dropped the ball  - he didn't bring up with Elon instances where Musk has de-platformed those who stood against him. And I think this is where he could have brought to light the double standard.

3. Unless he presented them, he completely dismissed any facts or studies. Anything Lemon brought up "Don, you can get a study that will tell you whatever you want." He acts like he is the sole arbiter of facts. There are Elon facts and lies. A great example of this was him bringing up Duke and the lowering standards. He mentioned that an article which said something to that effect, and it was legit, but the studies Don cited were crap. It doesn't work like that.

 

One thing I didn't mention last night - I think the interview was fine and fair. Like him or hate him - Lemon did fine with this interview (save what I noted before) he let Elon ramble and say a lot of crackpot things. Outside of not pressing him on a few cases where he should have , I don't think Lemon did a bad job.

 

[Captain Ron 12872]

30 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

All things considered, I can't really see how this could have worked out better for Don Lemon:

1. You look smart despite not actually being smart
2. An otherwise boring interview has more sizzle due to the interviewee's softness
3. You're no longer contractually bound to a joke platform that's hemorrhaging users by the day
4. Musk's attempts to get ahead of the "story" did nothing cause a massive Streisand Effect driving up interest of the interview before it was published
5. Story got so big that MSM outlets have to cover it and have to book Don Lemon as a guest right at the time Don Lemon could most use the publicity

All of this, with a focus on #4 because ....

... Don Lemon just launched his new podcast/show/whatever you want to call it with some of the the largest buzz ever. He hadn't even had episode 1 and people were already salivating to hear this interview, from both sides - his and Elons, and people who didn't even care.

[Nivek 16923]

delete

Edited March 19 by Nivek

[Nivek 16923]

On 3/17/2024 at 9:40 AM, GhostOfTomJoad said:

If anyone ever doubted Michael Dell's motivation in life then watching him suck off a Nazi-sympathizer whose platform is paving the way for a massive rise in racist, anti-semitic behavior should make it clear. How many more billions does Dell need, and how does he figure aligning himself and his company with Musk is going to help him obtain it?

Just recall that Dell is a great evaluator of relationships.  See Asus.

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

 

 

 

[Captain Ron 12872]

33 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

 

Elon think's he's Nino, he's really G-Money.

[Born to Run 6569]

PUT IT ON MY GRAVESTONE 
 

Woke protesters or protesters that are "awake, not woke." I can't keep track.

[NoName 16351]

Are you a boy or a gentleman?

[MissingInAction 25035]

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7 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

[Captain Ron 12872]

They pretty much take apart Elmo in this interview. 

I will also note, Lemon did approach Elmo like a pure journalist, for right or wrong. He is there to ask questions, not verbally spar. It might be why he comes across as a lightweight, especially in a day and age when guys like Tucker Carlson solely do it to keep their “guests” off balance. But few would consider Carlson a journalist. 
 

 

[Hank Kingsley 20916]

"Elon is a well known partier..." - Swisher regarding his drug use.

Would love to know the definition of "partying" in the Tech world. 

[NoName 16351]

27 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

"Elon is a well known partier..." - Swisher regarding his drug use.

Would love to know the definition of "partying" in the Tech world. 

My understanding is that his drug use specifically is an open secret and has been for a while in that group.

[Hank Kingsley 20916]

Drug use and partying are 2 different things. 

What's Elon's version of partying? Telling bad jokes that all his "friends" laugh at? 

 

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46 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

"Elon is a well known partier..." - Swisher regarding his drug use.

Would love to know the definition of "partying" in the Tech world. 

Getting buzzed and dancing by yourself at a rave?

[cactusflinthead 27598]

16 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Getting buzzed and dancing by yourself at a rave?

Is that wrong? Asking for a friend 

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[F250 28766]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Would love to know the definition of "partying" in the Tech world. 

 

[cabowabo 4484]

On 3/12/2024 at 3:23 PM, Brisketexan said:

And they sink FAST - they are heavy as shit.  About 1,000 pounds heavier than similar vehicles.  Comparables are a bit over 4,000 lbs, the Model X is over 5,000 lbs.

Having your shift function -- really, ANY actual driving function on a touchscreen (as opposed to limiting it to stuff like your audio, AC, and other accessory uses), when every single human knows that touch screens can be "iffy" (how many times have you pressed the wrong number when entering your phone's passcode?) is a stupid design move.  Do other manufacturers have that?  Because if so, that's also dumb.

I’m sure her having a .233 BAC had nothing to do with this incident. It’s the heavy and poorly designed EV made by a monster. 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/business/angela-chao-fatal-car-accident/index.html

Edited March 21 by cabowabo

[Captain Ron 12872]

6 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

I’m sure her having a .233 BAC had nothing to do with this incident. It’s the heavy and poorly designed EV made by a monster. 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/business/angela-chao-fatal-car-accident/index.html

.233 BAC?

[F250 28766]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

My understanding is that his drug use specifically is an open secret and has been for a while in that group.

Like other people that use partying and drug use interchangeably, this poster is a drug user.

 

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Drug use and partying are 2 different things.

This poster is not a drug user.

[Gatorubet 30206]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Getting buzzed and dancing by yourself at a rave?

 

[Hank Kingsley 20916]

[Sawbonz 27546]

2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

"Elon is a well known partier..." - Swisher regarding his drug use.

Would love to know the definition of "partying" in the Tech world.