Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[Prepuce of Doom 21097]

2 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

And I'd prefer we not beta test teenage drivers on roads with people on or around them.  Or beta test drivers over 75.  Or beta test drivers with over 0.05 BAC.  Or beta test driving while texting.

There are much more significant and common risk factors on our roads than drivers using FSD.

...right now. 

[atomheartbevo 89758]

19 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

There are much more significant and common risk factors on our roads than drivers using FSD.

Those drivers using FSD trust a system that relies on cameras, pushed by a guy who tweets some of the dumbest and most juvenile shit imaginable.  

Edited March 26 by atomheartbevo

[NoName 16364]

21 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

There are much more significant and common risk factors on our roads than drivers using FSD.

this should just become your profile pic at this point.

i get the point you are trying to make, but if you don't think its a problem to beta test self driving software, which only is using cameras + AI, on the roads in general - i think we are going to have to continue to agree to disagree

this isn't a "it's bad for drunk people to drive" discussion, it's a "beta testing full self driving on the roads is bad" discussion.

Edited March 26 by NoName

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Has anyone put a Texas DPS official in the passenger seat with one of these self-driving cars and, with no assist from the owner, tested the car to see if it could pass? Also, does the self-driving software enable the vehicle's cameras to look right before turning right because I've almost been killed (pedestrian/runner) numerous times had I not noticed the driver wasn't looking my way. That's all I got.

[TheStoicPaisano 9922]

Let Abbott test it, I'm sure it's on his bucket list.

[Guadaloopy 10989]

9 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Has anyone put a Texas DPS official in the passenger seat with one of these self-driving cars and, with no assist from the owner, tested the car to see if it could pass? Also, does the self-driving software enable the vehicle's cameras to look right before turning right because I've almost been killed (pedestrian/runner) numerous times had I not noticed the driver wasn't looking my way. That's all I got.

Based on my experience, FSD 12.3 would pass a standard driving test.  I'd love to see someone do a Youtube video of that.

Due to the camera placement, the vehicle has better visibility around corners than a human in the driver seat does.  Not to mention that FSD is almost to a fault overly cautious of pedestrians.  If a Tesla almost ran you over, it wasn't in FSD mode.

  

 

[choripan 790]

1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

And I'd prefer we not beta test teenage drivers on roads with people on or around them.  Or beta test drivers over 75.  Or beta test drivers with over 0.05 BAC.  Or beta test driving while texting.

There are much more significant and common risk factors on our roads than drivers using FSD.

Because other things may be unsafe, *my* thing is not unsafe?

Am I following the logic here?

[Guadaloopy 10989]

7 minutes ago, choripan said:

Because other things may be unsafe, *my* thing is not unsafe?

Am I following the logic here?

No... the logic is that all of those things I listed are much more common concerns on the road than another driver using FSD.  There are only 400,000 cars in all of North America that have FSD.  Your likelihood of being on the road with a Tesla driver using FSD is pretty damn low.

It's analogous to being overly concerned about sharks at the beach while not caring much about rip currents.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

28 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Due to the camera placement, the vehicle has better visibility around corners than a human in the driver seat does.  Not to mention that FSD is almost to a fault overly cautious of pedestrians.  If a Tesla almost ran you over, it wasn't in FSD mode.

 

To be clear, I don't usually note the make and model when having these experiences while out and about; it was a general comment.

[choripan 790]

1 minute ago, Guadaloopy said:

No... the logic is that all of those things I listed are much more common concerns on the road than another driver using FSD.  There are only 400,000 cars in all of North America that have FSD.  Your likelihood of being on the road with a Tesla driver using FSD is pretty damn low.

It's analogous to being overly concerned about sharks at the beach while not caring much about rip currents.

I prefer to worry about rip currents, sharks, and (lately) especially orcas.

[Guadaloopy 10989]

OK... let me put it this way -  It's like being at the beach, seeing a dolphin, and yelling "SHARK!"

[Captainant 27690]

32 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Based on my experience, FSD 12.3 would pass a standard driving test. 

In ideal conditions. 

 

33 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I'd love to see someone do a Youtube video of that.

I'd love to see TSLA stand up to the SAE testing to validate their claims, but theyve found a market to get people to pay ten thousand dollars to be a guinea pig so they're prolly gonna keep charging the useful idiots

[F250 28802]

4 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Does it count as a war crime to provide material support to Russia's war efforts? Or is it just a regular crime?

General Motors would say it is not a crime.

[Guadaloopy 10989]

16 minutes ago, Captainant said:

In ideal conditions. 

[HenryJames 66135]

[C-Man 27239]

8 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Not in the theme of the thread, but I got upgraded to FSD 12.3 on Saturday.  I have used it for six trips so far involving rural roads, highway driving, construction zones, city driving, and stop and go traffic.  It performed extremely well and feels much smoother and more natural like a human driver.  This version isn’t just an incremental  improvement.   It is a significant jump in performance, and IMHO lives up to the hype.  

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89758]

2 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Your likelihood of being on the road with a Tesla driver using FSD is pretty damn low.

I’m in Austin, so it’s pretty damn high.  

Probably equal to my chances of encountering somebody in a Subaru blaring Tracy Chapman, the Foo Fighters, or Bob Marley.

[27-25 2047]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

Assortative mating = Eugenics

Who's got that on their bingo card?

His assertion that there's been a massive rise in exceptionally smart people recently seems to fly in the face of the even larger amount of data present in the form of social media.

Yet he thinks we'll all be Big Head Bighetti in the future.

 

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

Very fun day trying to gather info on the FSK bridge today on X. 

 

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

The top post when you click on the "Francis Scott Key" trending topic on X 

Actual Biden quote she posted if you click on the link: "At about 1:30 a container ship struck the Francis Scott Key bridge, which I've been over many, many times, commuting from the state of Delaware either by train or by car". 

 

Edited March 27 by Hank Kingsley

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The top post when you click on the "Francis Scott Key" trending topic on X 

 

Of course and most who view that clip will not go and watch the entire five(!) minute talk to understand the context of that because...reasons.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

43 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Very fun day trying to gather info on the FSK bridge today on X. 

 

Torbush

[JMFP 1120]

10 hours ago, HookEm said:

I don't know anything about any of this, but curious why a vision only driving model is insufficient.  Isn't that what humans have?

I'm all for doing BETTER than humans, but if we can do just as good, then that is a solid start.

 

 

[Ted Lange 16110]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The top post when you click on the "Francis Scott Key" trending topic on X 

Actual Biden quote she posted if you click on the link: "At about 1:30 a container ship struck the Francis Scott Key bridge, which I've been over many, many times, commuting from the state of Delaware either by train or by car". 

 

Elon in the replies, “this is why I’m voting for Donald Trump.”

 

probably. 

[Smax 3800]

11 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I should also add in that the bots and porn bots are way worse since then as well too.

 

I don't mind the porn bots .... my wall is inundated with right wing politics. My "following" tab leaves out tweets from people I follow and fills with with right wing bullshit, doesn't matter how many time I select not interested I still get them. The "for you" tab has even more maga bullshit and now, when you click on tweet to see comments... its nothing but blue check mark accounts less then a year old spamming some crap. Elon has ruined twitter

 

The cyber truck is the ugliest vehicle ever to hit the road, it looks like something out a cheap cheesy 80s sci fi movie

[Captainant 27690]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The top post when you click on the "Francis Scott Key" trending topic on X 

Actual Biden quote she posted if you click on the link: "At about 1:30 a container ship struck the Francis Scott Key bridge, which I've been over many, many times, commuting from the state of Delaware either by train or by car". 

 

It's almost like that specific person has a history of materially misrepresenting public figures, or something. There's a reason why the deacon loves her so much

[Parliament 14272]

42 minutes ago, JMFP said:

Teska Autopilot crashes into motorcycle riders - why?

Because motorcycle riders are aholes.  I'm on Tesla's side here.

42 minutes ago, JMFP said:

Teska Autopilot crashes into motorcycle riders - why?

Because motorcycle riders are aholes.  I'm on Tesla's side here.

[Parliament 14272]

49 minutes ago, JMFP said:

Tesla Autopilot crashes into motorcycle riders - why?

Because motorcycle riders are aholes.  I'm on Tesla's side here.

Edited March 27 by Parliament

[C-Man 27239]

2 hours ago, Parliament said:

Because motorcycle riders are aholes.  I'm on Tesla's side here.

Because motorcycle riders are aholes.  I'm on Tesla's side here.

 

2 hours ago, Parliament said:

Because motorcycle riders are aholes.  I'm on Tesla's side here.

[Fudge Nuggets 19209]

8 hours ago, Smax said:

 

I don't mind the porn bots .... my wall is inundated with right wing politics. My "following" tab leaves out tweets from people I follow and fills with with right wing bullshit, doesn't matter how many time I select not interested I still get them. The "for you" tab has even more maga bullshit and now, when you click on tweet to see comments... its nothing but blue check mark accounts less then a year old spamming some crap. Elon has ruined twitter

 

The cyber truck is the ugliest vehicle ever to hit the road, it looks like something out a cheap cheesy 80s sci fi movie

This post wins yesterday’s “No fucking shit” award.  Congratulations. 

[Schulz2.0 28993]

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89758]

13 hours ago, 27-25 said:

Assortative mating = Eugenics

For somebody who may have tendencies towards selective breeding/eugenics, you gotta wonder why he carries Russia’s water at time.

Raw materials?

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

[atomheartbevo 89758]

“Old friends” means “friends” that are old.

[mdmost 43011]

I finally saw a Cybertruck in the wild this morning. It looks so incredibly stupid. Like a stainless steel refrigerator was made into a car. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26510]

2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I finally saw a Cybertruck in the wild this morning. It looks so incredibly stupid. Like a stainless steel refrigerator was made into a car. 

On a very sunny Sunday a few weeks ago one was cruising slowly by the Mueller farmers market and the driver had his arm out the window, wearing sunglasses, playing Tame Impala’s “Elephant,” and somebody yelled “GAY!”

There was clapping and howls of laughter, and the driver rolled up his window, followed by even more clapping and laughter. 

Mueller is the birthplace of the “In this House we Believe” yard sign. So much for the tolerant left!

[Pato del Muerto 52535]

Had one pass me just outside of carnation, WA on Sunday. It’s like when people make full scale versions of hot wheels original designs. 

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

D - M I N U S    I N    B I O 

 

[Sawbonz 27580]

On 3/26/2024 at 3:08 PM, Mrs Whiggins said:

Has anyone put a Texas DPS official in the passenger seat with one of these self-driving cars and, with no assist from the owner, tested the car to see if it could pass? Also, does the self-driving software enable the vehicle's cameras to look right before turning right because I've almost been killed (pedestrian/runner) numerous times had I not noticed the driver wasn't looking my way. That's all I got.

[Celery Man 20981]

On 3/26/2024 at 6:24 PM, HenryJames said:

[HenryJames 66135]

Things are going great, imo.

[F250 28802]

Elon throughout this entire Twitter fiasco.

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19209]

11 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Things are going great, imo.

Only 4 accounts have over 5,000 subscribers?  That's sad / funny.

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

On 3/26/2024 at 7:33 PM, Hank Kingsley said:

The top post when you click on the "Francis Scott Key" trending topic on X 

Actual Biden quote she posted if you click on the link: "At about 1:30 a container ship struck the Francis Scott Key bridge, which I've been over many, many times, commuting from the state of Delaware either by train or by car". 

 

 

Libs of TikTok (AKA Chaya Raichik) strikes again! People actually base their opinions on this idiot's content. 

 

 

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

Nostradumbass strikes again. 

 

[Neonmoon 38130]

Things are moving along as expected 

[Brisketexan 105180]

11 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Things are moving along as expected 

Odds that the very same political leaders who are up in arms about porn dirtying up the minds of our precious youth will take action against X similar to their suits against Pornhub and such?  What's that?  Chances are 0.0%, because no way will they go after Elon?  Gosh, you're a cynical bunch.

[Francisco 2.0 32395]

https://jalopnik.com/teslas-quality-control-is-so-bad-customers-are-taking-d-1851369990\

 

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Tesla’s build quality problems are well known; from panel gaps to crummy interiors to glass roofs that just fly off for no reason, it’s safe to say customers should be on the lookout when they purchase a brand-new Tesla. The Cybertruck has been just as bad as previous models, despite its over $100,000 price tag. Customers looking to protect themselves against the company they’re giving 100 grand to can now use aftermarket checklists to ensure all the problems with their brand new truck are recorded. 

 

 

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We first spotted the forms on Bluesky by a post from automotive writer and critic E.W. Niedermeyer. An Etsy seller by the name of EverydayChrisTesla is selling a 10-page Tesla Cybertruck delivery checklist for $4.99. That price gets you a “comprehensive” .pdf document to help Cybertruck owners double check their own vehicles. It’s even got Tesla-style font and branding! From the Etsy description:

 

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TESLA Cybertruck Delivery CHECKLIST!

Got your new Tesla Cybertruck? Take the stress out of figuring out what to look for that needs to be fixed! This is a thorough checklist that keeps you organized and prevents you from forgetting the small things before it’s TOO LATE to fix!

 

Spoiler

 

This entrepreneur provides checklists for every other Tesla model for owners to check for manufacturing errors specific to that model. For instance, the Cybertruck checklist says to check for imperfections and defects in the stainless steel body and to inspect the weather seals and LED lighting in the cargo bed. The checklist for the Model 3 — as well as the new Highland refresh — has things to check for like windows and making sure the hood and other body panels are flush. 

This is pretty sad, when you think about it. If Tesla completed similar checklists before delivery, customers wouldn’t need to inspect every inch of their immensely expensive purchase. In fact, the seller makes sure to mention that the checklists are “UNOFFICIAL” and, “created by a Tesla owner, but is not affiliated nor endorsed by Tesla, Inc.”

Instead of being up in arms about quality issues on one of the most expensive purchases most people will ever make, Tesla customers are selling ways to double check quality problems to other owners. It’s safe to say, no other automaker could ever get away with something like this.

 

 

 

 

[Brisketexan 105180]

2 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://jalopnik.com/teslas-quality-control-is-so-bad-customers-are-taking-d-1851369990\

 

 

 

 

 

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This entrepreneur provides checklists for every other Tesla model for owners to check for manufacturing errors specific to that model. For instance, the Cybertruck checklist says to check for imperfections and defects in the stainless steel body and to inspect the weather seals and LED lighting in the cargo bed. The checklist for the Model 3 — as well as the new Highland refresh — has things to check for like windows and making sure the hood and other body panels are flush. 

This is pretty sad, when you think about it. If Tesla completed similar checklists before delivery, customers wouldn’t need to inspect every inch of their immensely expensive purchase. In fact, the seller makes sure to mention that the checklists are “UNOFFICIAL” and, “created by a Tesla owner, but is not affiliated nor endorsed by Tesla, Inc.”

Instead of being up in arms about quality issues on one of the most expensive purchases most people will ever make, Tesla customers are selling ways to double check quality problems to other owners. It’s safe to say, no other automaker could ever get away with something like this.

 

 

 

 

That's just necessary because Tesla is so EXTREME and HARDCORE and NOT WOKE.  Only WOKE cars are manufactured up to exacting standards of quality.  You don't want a WOKE car, do you?  That's WOKE MIND VIRUS thinking!

[Captain Ron 12887]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

That's just necessary because Tesla is so EXTREME and HARDCORE and NOT WOKE.  Only WOKE cars are manufactured up to exacting standards of quality.  You don't want a WOKE car, do you?  That's WOKE MIND VIRUS thinking!

The opposite of WOKE is ASLEEP. So you’re saying that Tesla is sleeping on the job?