Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[chainsaw 9857]

6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Some of the comments:

I am interested in the fact that Musk had a lawyer there who was not admitted to practice in Texas, engaged in the unauthorized practice of law, interfering with the deposition. Surely that is sanctionable.

letting my client talk about running an alt account as a toddler then at the end going ahhh yes of course this will be confidential?

"you're even less competent than Alex Jones's attorneys" should be a career-ending insult

 

We need this:

Yeah what's the hold up

[Captainant 27637]

24 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Some of the comments:

I am interested in the fact that Musk had a lawyer there who was not admitted to practice in Texas, engaged in the unauthorized practice of law, interfering with the deposition. Surely that is sanctionable.

letting my client talk about running an alt account as a toddler then at the end going ahhh yes of course this will be confidential?

"you're even less competent than Alex Jones's attorneys" should be a career-ending insult

 

We need this:

 

18 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Yeah what's the hold up

The sanctions filing is a few posts up and was filed yesterday, and lays all that out across 162 pages

[Captainant 27637]

Huh so this case happens to also be in front of Judge Gamble in TX459, who also presided over the Jones defamation case. That's definitely a "home field" advantage for Bankston who probably has a pretty good working relationship with that court by now

[hornian 5210]

23 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Huh so this case happens to also be in front of Judge Gamble in TX459, who also presided over the Jones defamation case. That's definitely a "home field" advantage for Bankston who probably has a pretty good working relationship with that court by now

If it's in Travis, it's not assigned to a particular judge in most cases. There are procedures for getting it assigned to a specific judge (either by request or by the Court's own motion), but the default is the next judge up hears the next setting. 

[Brisketexan 105066]

 
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Saying Alex Jones had more competent lawyers

 
So [mention=593]Brisketexan[/mention] [mention=248]TwiceHorn[/mention] [mention=656]Ghost of LL[/mention] [mention=185]South Austin[/mention] etc., was this incompetence, or was it deliberately trying to wreck the deposition?

Yes.

As in “both.” Some attorneys, often NY types, think that “I’ll be a demanding bully, which means I win” is a great strategy in Texas. It is not.
Gamble will not be amused.

[TwiceHorn 31438]

And, it's kind of nutty to spring the idea of a confidential deposition when there are not any previous protective orders or other secrecy provisions.  

Because, unless you can claim some kind of surprise inquiry at the deposition, it's pretty hard to go back to the court and try to make discovery/depositions confidential after the fact.

Quinn Emmanuel is, overall, a super-competent firm like Susman Godfrey, meaning they rarely fuck up.  But this would seem to be a fuck up if they're serious or Musk is about keeping it confidential.  Quinn Emmanuel attorneys are frequently dicks, too.  Arrogant.

[Tonesky 932]

46 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Some attorneys, often NY types, think that “I’ll be a demanding bully, which means I win” is a great strategy in Texas. It is not.
Gamble will not be amused.

He’s here a mere 40 years late. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

20 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Quinn Emmanuel attorneys are frequently dicks, too.  Arrogant.

Woah, woah, woah. I thought all attorneys were frequently dicks. Except mine of course. And maybe the ones on Surly.

[High Plains Drifter 11029]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Some of the comments:

I am interested in the fact that Musk had a lawyer there who was not admitted to practice in Texas, engaged in the unauthorized practice of law, interfering with the deposition. Surely that is sanctionable.

letting my client talk about running an alt account as a toddler then at the end going ahhh yes of course this will be confidential?

"you're even less competent than Alex Jones's attorneys" should be a career-ending insult

 

We need this:

 

 

lol

 

 

[HenryJames 66038]

 

Spoiler

 

Edited April 10 by HenryJames

[DigglerontheHoof 21179]

Pathetic

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13575]

Grimes against inanity 

[Fudge Nuggets 19189]

On 4/9/2024 at 10:34 AM, Captainant said:

Musk's pleadings, showing up unannounced to defend Musk's
deposition with no authority

I read that as Musk’s ‘deportation’ and got excited for a second. 

[NoName 16351]

more shitting on cybertruck

thedrive: Tesla Cybertruck Gets Worse Towing Range Than Model X With the Same Trailer

https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-gets-worse-towing-range-than-model-x-with-the-same-trailer

 

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Bowlus hooked this trailer up to a Model X AWD before dragging it down the highway, where EVs tend to perform poorly. Nevertheless, Bowlus claimed to achieve a 235-mile range on a charge, or 71% of the 330-mile range Tesla claims for the SUV. Naturally, you'd expect that the powerful Cybertruck—which more than doubles the Model X's 5,000-pound towing capacity at 11,000 lbs—would do considerably better. Right?

Well.

Bowlus linked the same trailer to a dual motor Cybertruck, and then sent it down a mix of highway and "rural" roads. Highway speeds disadvantage EVs, particularly ones shaped like the Cybertruck, so this represented a near best-case, real-world towing scenario for the pickup. Still, it didn't do well: Bowlus said it only got 160 miles of range, which is roughly in line with some of the better results the Cybertruck has achieved in other towing tests so far.

 

also this is absolutely the most Elon Musk story i've ever heard

 

[Sawbonz 27540]

7 minutes ago, NoName said:

more shitting on cybertruck

thedrive: Tesla Cybertruck Gets Worse Towing Range Than Model X With the Same Trailer

https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-gets-worse-towing-range-than-model-x-with-the-same-trailer

 

also this is absolutely the most Elon Musk story i've ever heard

 

I’m assuming by the time he finally the big hand the other seats at the table had turned over multiple times, unless the game was filled with sycophants who were determined to let him “win” from the start

[NoName 16351]

22 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I’m assuming by the time he finally the big hand the other seats at the table had turned over multiple times, unless the game was filled with sycophants who were determined to let him “win” from the start

googled and got some more info. didn't turn over, it was a friend's game.

https://davekarpf.substack.com/p/elon-musk-and-the-infinite-rebuy

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[Max] Levchin was at a friend’s bachelor pad hanging out with Musk. Some people were playing a high-stakes game of Texas Hold ‘Em. Although Musk was not a card player, he pulled up to the table. “There were all these nerds and sharpsters who were good at memorizing cards and calculating odds,” Levchin says. “Elon just proceeded to go all in on every hand and lose. Then he would buy more chips and double down. Eventually, after losing many hands, he went all in and won. Then he said “Right, fine, I’m done.” It would be a theme in his life: avoid taking chips off the table; keep risking them.

 

Edited April 11 by NoName

[Sawbonz 27540]

10 minutes ago, NoName said:

googled and got some more info. didn't turn over, it was a friend's game.

https://davekarpf.substack.com/p/elon-musk-and-the-infinite-rebuy

 

Having a limitless bankroll relative to the table is not a strategy 

 

And picking up and leaving like that would have gotten him shot or beaten within an inch of his life at most high stakes house games not too many years ago. 

[Hank Kingsley 20906]

Spoiler alert: Nothing will change. It will only get worse. 

[Homercles 10205]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

more shitting on cybertruck

thedrive: Tesla Cybertruck Gets Worse Towing Range Than Model X With the Same Trailer

https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-gets-worse-towing-range-than-model-x-with-the-same-trailer

 

also this is absolutely the most Elon Musk story i've ever heard

 

[Captain Ron 12868]

31 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Having a limitless bankroll relative to the table is not a strategy 

 

And picking up and leaving like that would have gotten him shot or beaten within an inch of his life at most high stakes house games not too many years ago. 

Oh it's a strategy. It's one we all wish we had access to. The ability to hemorrhage cash and just buy back in would be great.

The thing is that for anyone to try to frame this in the Thiel quote is just assinine.

1 hour ago, NoName said:

 

 

[Prepuce of Doom 21053]

If it isn't already, that poker strategy ought to be referred to as "the emerald mine heir." 

[Captain Ron 12868]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

thedrive: Tesla Cybertruck Gets Worse Towing Range Than Model X With the Same Trailer

https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-gets-worse-towing-range-than-model-x-with-the-same-trailer

I think the most damning thing they say is their last paragraph:

 

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The issue here isn't with the fact that electric trucks can't tow for long ranges. That's been well established already, and it doesn't diminish what these vehicles are good at. The point is that Tesla's ostensible workhorse, its most capable vehicle of all, was shown up by its own nine-year-old SUV. No matter how you feel about EVs, Tesla, or its increasingly unhinged CEO, one thing is clear: The Cybertruck isn't the paradigm-shifter the Model S was.

 

[Nivek 16923]

If it isn't already, that poker strategy ought to be referred to as "the emerald mine heir." 

Bitchy Rich?

[DigglerontheHoof 21179]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

more shitting on cybertruck

thedrive: Tesla Cybertruck Gets Worse Towing Range Than Model X With the Same Trailer

https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-gets-worse-towing-range-than-model-x-with-the-same-trailer

 

also this is absolutely the most Elon Musk story i've ever heard

 

 

From the linked towing article:

This weakness was discovered by luxury trailer manufacturer Bowlus. The company's CEO, Geneva Long, said in a LinkedIn post that the test involved Bowlus's Volterra trailer, a low-drag camper similar to an Airstream in shape. With a 17 kilowatt-hour LFP battery, solar panels, and the ability to give an emergency charge to an EV, it's exactly the kind of trailer a Cybertruck might want in place of Tesla's shabby popup tent. Provided they can justify the $310,000 it costs, that is.

$310K for that trailer?  No thanks. 

[atomheartbevo 89628]

2 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

$310K for that trailer?  No thanks

There better be a stewardess included with that thing.  Or steward depending on your preference.

[Prepuce of Doom 21053]

[Fudge Nuggets 19189]

2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Having a limitless bankroll relative to the table is not a strategy 

 

And picking up and leaving like that would have gotten him shot or beaten within an inch of his life at most high stakes house games not too many years ago. 

Those other high stakes games aren't full of a bunch of dorks that would voluntarily hang around rocketboi.

[Foosters 17839]

[Captain Ron 12868]

5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

There better be a stewardess included with that thing.  Or steward depending on your preference.

If you’re paying 300 big ones for that, I’m sure you can solve that problem with no issue. 

[ultimaton 2966]

Disney Argues It Had a First Amendment Right to Fire Gina Carano for Offensive Posts

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In its motion to dismiss, Disney argued that there is a broad exception for companies whose business is to engage in speech, such as newspapers and entertainment companies. To support its argument, the company invoked a law review article and a commentary written by one of Carano’s attorneys, UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh. 

“Employers that speak must necessarily speak through their employees; and when an employee or prospective employee says things, even off the job, that would undermine the employer’s message, the employer must be able to distance itself from the employee,” Volokh wrote in 2022.

 

[chainsaw 9857]

https://bsky.app/profile/niedermeyer.io/post/3kps72zw3j52i

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Turns out that maybe Elon Musk is a liar and SpaceX is a lot farther from profitability than he has tried to suggest.

Who could have guessed?

"All the major airlines have spurned [Starlink] in favor of sticking with established Wi-Fi providers... Analysts say SpaceX doesn’t provide the long-term contracts and exclusivity that corporate clients often want... For Delta, the memory of a failed 2022 demonstration still hasn’t faded"

LMAO

"SpaceX has met or exceeded revenue projections over the past three years, other people familiar with the company’s balance sheet say"

What a weird claim to include in this story, given that we know Starlink is extremely not living up to revenue projections ($1.4b in '22, instead of $12b projected)

 

[totallynotabuttpirate 5395]

Super excited to get my new Tesla. Looks like I'm in for a reliable and consistent experience. 

 

 

[Captain Ron 12868]

2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

https://bsky.app/profile/niedermeyer.io/post/3kps72zw3j52i

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All the major airlines have spurned [Starlink] in favor of sticking with established Wi-Fi providers... Analysts say SpaceX doesn’t provide the long-term contracts and exclusivity that corporate clients often want... For Delta, the memory of a failed 2022 demonstration still hasn’t faded"

 

 

Man, that Delta story ... wow.

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Delta executives were eager to test Starlink internet but as its jetliner flew upwards of 30,000 feet over Chicago, the plane wasn’t connecting to the service. As a quick fix, SpaceX turned off internet for some paying customers in the city below, these people said. The move got Wi-Fi working in the plane’s cabin but it wasn’t enough to win a Delta contract, the people said. Delta, American and United declined to comment.

 

[atomheartbevo 89628]

1 minute ago, Captain Ron said:

Man, that Delta story ... wow.

[Homercles 10205]

19 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

$310K for that trailer?  No thanks. 

Looks like the ship from Flight of the Navigator

[Nivek 16923]

12 hours ago, ultimaton said:

Disney Argues It Had a First Amendment Right to Fire Gina Carano for Offensive Posts

[Captain Ron 12868]

9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

[Captainant 27637]

Any news around SpaceX failing to deliver really makes me anxious about the Artemis program. Each Artemis moon landing is going to require upwards of a dozen Starship launches and orbital refuelings just to have the ΔV to hit their planned Lunar orbit. 

[Captain Ron 12868]

59 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Any news around SpaceX failing to deliver really makes me anxious about the Artemis program. Each Artemis moon landing is going to require upwards of a dozen Starship launches and orbital refuelings just to have the ΔV to hit their planned Lunar orbit. 

I would argue that Space X rocket performance and the Starlink delivering are very different things.

Starlink is simply just satellite internet company. And their issues are purely financial, because "shocker" launching satellites is not cheap, which is coming off their bottom line. I think they are very much overestimating adoption of their service, but once the satellites are launched, that is mostly going to be a profit only company. 

 

Space X's rocket performance is pretty damn good at this point. Falcon is a rock solid platform that seems to deliver time after time. It alone has put the US back on the map for space flight.

Starship, regardless of what you think of 

Is well along and on its way to being a viable launch vehicle. I think they are going to have the kinks in Super Heavy just about worked out quite soon. And while Starship might be a little bit more time, it's likely not far behind.

 

My guess is that when you take Starlink and SpaceX as a whole, they are doing ok.

 

But in some ways, this goes back to the all in poker story. Elon does have a different view on risk, because of his wealth, he can just throw money at a problem to solve it. And his companies have this benefit. So losses now, they should be fine, unless he gets bored.

But in the same way, that Delta Starlink test demonstrates his view of risk too - turn everyone's internet in a city off? BFD, just do it. Because he doesn't get the risk that a move like that can have.

Edited April 12 by Captain Ron

[Captainant 27637]

1 minute ago, Captain Ron said:

Is well along and on its way to being a viable launch vehicle. I think they are going to have the kinks in Super Heavy just about worked out quite soon. And while Starship might be a little bit more time, it's likely not far behind.

Well and also that it will take at least DOZEN STARSHIP LAUNCHES AND ORBITAL REFUELINGS for each Artemis trip to the moon. NASA hadn't even thought about that aspect of the mission design until a guest speaker asked the question at a lecture. Starship hasn't even reached orbit, much less validated an orbital refueling procedure between two orbiting starships. And then they need at least a dozen of them to go flawlessly for a successful launch.

 

It reeks of the same slapdash design ethos that the rest of musk's projects have begun to exhibit. Amazingly groundbreaking promises that are astoundingly under delivered 

[4th&Five 41514]

Driving to work today I saw a bright orange cybertruck and chuckled a little harder than I usually do because it was even uglier. Then I saw this shit on the side and lost it. WTF are they trying to do?

[Captain Ron 12868]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Well and also that it will take at least DOZEN STARSHIP LAUNCHES AND ORBITAL REFUELINGS for each Artemis trip to the moon. NASA hadn't even thought about that aspect of the mission design until a guest speaker asked the question at a lecture. Starship hasn't even reached orbit, much less validated an orbital refueling procedure between two orbiting starships. And then they need at least a dozen of them to go flawlessly for a successful launch.

 

It reeks of the same slapdash design ethos that the rest of musk's projects have begun to exhibit. Amazingly groundbreaking promises that are astoundingly under delivered 

 

It's been talked about before in this thread - but Musk isn't as hands on at SpaceX as he is at other places. Gwynne Shotwell is really the leader of SpaceX. Sure he gets in there, but she seems to really clean up his messes. If there is one thing SpaceX isn't is slapdash.

And again, even the rockets going boom isn't as big/worrysome as it might seem - SpaceX is much more public facing than NASA & partners ever was. They had shit buttoned up a lot more before they ever put a public face on their rockets, that isn't Musk's thing.

 

And therein is the issue with Musk as a whole for all of his companies, just what you say - he over promises, and under delivers. The guy can't fucking shut the fuck up abut this shit. Back in 2021 he said landing on the moon in 2024 was doable, if not sooner. I can't find the article right now, but there was the interview where he said (2020 I believe) that Space X might just go to the moon in 2 years and stop waiting for NASA to get out of the way. He talks and talks and talks, riles up the masses, but fails to deliver.

SpaceX has advanced a lot, despite what Musk has said. I think one reason why people point and laugh when their ships explode is that we have been sold the idea that these should be 100 successes right out of the box (by Musk) instead of the reality that these are still major works in progress. Are they behind schedule for Artemis? Yes, reports by the Government Accountability Office have said as much. But they aren't the only ones in this.

[texasdago 7568]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

Driving to work today I saw a bright orange cybertruck and chuckled a little harder than I usually do because it was even uglier. Then I saw this shit on the side and lost it. WTF are they trying to do?

CYDERTRRVKK brah 

[MissingInAction 25012]

Friend of mine called the elmo truck a "wank panzer". 

 

[NoName 16351]

3 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

But in some ways, this goes back to the all in poker story. Elon does have a different view on risk, because of his wealth, he can just throw money at a problem to solve it. And his companies have this benefit. So losses now, they should be fine, unless he gets bored.

imagine what +$44b would have done for SpaceX at this point in time.

instead he lit it on fire and somehow found a worse investment than drafting off the betting that Ippei was doing that also makes him look like a dumbass

[atomheartbevo 89628]

5 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

Driving to work today I saw a bright orange cybertruck and chuckled a little harder than I usually do because it was even uglier. Then I saw this shit on the side and lost it. WTF are they trying to do?

Saw one around lunchtime at the Rudy’s on North Lamar, and they had two paddle boards in the back, sticking out 3-4 feet.  They started to park up against Rudy’s but somebody pointed out that their boards will get smashed by other vehicles driving through the parking lot.  So they back into a spot up against the sidewalk with the boards blocking the sidewalk, like complete douchebags.

You don’t realize how small the “bed” is until you see something like that. I’m actually surprised they didn’t lose the boards, as much as they were sticking out.

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[Hank Kingsley 20906]

6 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

Driving to work today I saw a bright orange cybertruck and chuckled a little harder than I usually do because it was even uglier. Then I saw this shit on the side and lost it. WTF are they trying to do?

Incel graffiti. Created by Spanksy. 

 

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[Brisketexan 105066]

 

Humanity is in a phase of elevating the most ridiculous fucking people, and I just don’t get it.