Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[F250 28814]

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

Well he is South African and would see it as a way to reduce payment to his workers.

Baby steps. First apartheid then indentured servitude and eventually slavery.

[B00M 6455]

18 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Why would he amplify this? What’s the benefit? He’s like an anonymous teen using twitter in 2012 except he’s old, far from anonymous, and every time he tweets, he further narrows his potential customer base to guys that drive trucks with confederate flags and roll coal.

[Captainant 27726]

1 hour ago, High Plains Drifter said:

I don't know anything about O'Dowd. But if FSD can't avoid hitting a kid in those circumstances, it absolutely should not be released to the general public. 

IMO I'm less upset about hitting a pedestrian in a tricky scenario - I'd bet 50/50 that your average human driver would do just as poorly - but the fact that the car wasn't even aware that hit it something is a HUGE problem. Any closed loop decision making should be doing OODA - orient, observe, decide, act. If it's just deciding and acting to keep rolling without observing that it just pancaked a (simulated) child... That is nowhere close to SAE level 3 automation or even road safe for the public.

[Guadaloopy 11012]

Just now, Captainant said:

 - but the fact that the car wasn't even aware that hit it something is a HUGE problem.

That's why I suspect that as in previous "tests" engineered by O'Dowd, the driver is actually applying pressure to the accelerator to override the automated actions of FSD.  The behavior of the vehicle during this "experiment" is so far out of step with my actual experience with the system that I believe that the car is being manipulated by the driver.  

[Captain Ron 12893]

16 hours ago, F250 said:

It's a button that you press that does nothing.

It’s a button your car has if it’s a pussy.

 

[SydneyCarton 48150]

27 minutes ago, F250 said:

How long before someone tweets the economic benefits of reinstating slavery and Elon replies with an "interesting"?

I'm more shocked he didn't roll out his other stock phrase, "concerning."

[Newdoc 3448]

6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

but the fact that the car wasn't even aware that hit it something is a HUGE problem.

So Cher in Clueless > Tesla FSD. 
 

[Brisketexan 105273]

38 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

You know what's even BETTER than Elmo simply emphasizing a post that has literally ZERO citation to data?  The fact that the data doesn't back that up.  Yes, the murder rate by black people IN THE US (gee, local historical circumstances may have SOMETHING to do with violent crime rates) is higher than the murder rate by white people.  But it ain't 9X the white murder rate.

Elmo is just a fucking edge lord racist piece of shit who isn't even capable of critical thinking.  He's a fucking moron.  An absolute and total moron.

[F250 28814]

19 minutes ago, B00M said:

Why would he amplify this? What’s the benefit? He’s like an anonymous teen using twitter in 2012 except he’s old, far from anonymous, and every time he tweets, he further narrows his potential customer base to guys that drive trucks with confederate flags and roll coal.

They can't roll coal if they buy a Cybertruck.

 

[Francisco 2.0 32416]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

This "flaw" get posted already: https://www.dailydot.com/debug/cybertruck-touchscreen-five-hour-reset/

 

 

[Prepuce of Doom 21100]

15 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

The behavior of the vehicle during this "experiment" is so far out of step with my actual experience with the system that I believe that the car is being manipulated by the driver.  

How many times has your vehicle run over children and/or mannequins?! 

[Guadaloopy 11012]

On 4/17/2024 at 2:27 PM, aggie08 said:

What the fuck is "Car Wash Mode"?

Pretty much already answered but it does the following:

• Verifies that all windows are fully raised
• Turns off automated windshield wipers
• Locks doors, trunk, and charge port
• Folds in side view mirrors
• Places HVAC system in recirc mode (see below)*
• Places car in neutral/free roll

It's a handy feature to be able to hit one on screen button to verify all of these items. 

*Unfortunately, due a design flaw in the air intake location for the ventilation system in the Model 3, it's a very good idea if not an essential step that you put HVAC in recirc for a car wash or during the rain or you run the risk of ingesting water through the intake and soaking the filters and ending up with a mildewy funk in the HVAC system.  Car Wash mode is one mitigation that Tesla developed to address this common complaint. 

13 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

How many times has your vehicle run over children and/or mannequins?! 

[BrickHorn 18276]

Just now, Guadaloopy said:

Unfortunately, due a design flaw in the air intake location for the ventilation system in the Model 3, it's a very good idea if not an essential step that you put HVAC in recirc for a car wash or during the rain or you run the risk of ingesting water through the intake

Holy shit I can’t stop laughing. You guys are fucking simps.

[Guadaloopy 11012]

Just now, BrickHorn said:

Holy shit I can’t stop laughing. You guys are fucking simps.

It's honestly my only complaint about the car, and I had the exact same issue with a Mercedes GLC 300.

[InkaUtexas 26069]

How do you feel about slavery while driving?

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35 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

How do you feel about slavery while driving?

Doable if you take one hand off the wheel or put it in FSD mode.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5797]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

IMO I'm less upset about hitting a pedestrian in a tricky scenario - I'd bet 50/50 that your average human driver would do just as poorly 

You'd bet 50/50 that your average human driver would mow down 4 out of 4 kids inching on the edge of a crosswalk who happened to dash across?? No fucking way. Most drivers would have stopped. The kid didn't dash out from behind a car, it was standing at the edge of the crosswalk. I'd bet that 75% of drivers playing on their phones would have taken caution 

[C-Man 27254]

7 minutes ago, F250 said:

They can't roll coal if they buy a Cybertruck.

 

It's another add-on

[chainsaw 9873]

Elon will launch a diesel edition of the Cybertruck

[Francisco 2.0 32416]

For his next act, he will wrap himself up in a flag:

 

 

 

 

[HornOnTheBayou 8945]

Art Briles thinks that if the kid didn't want to get hit by a car, he shouldn't have dressed like that. 

[Clintonaldo 2576]

4 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

 

 

Yes, FSD failed this particular test.  It's actually a very difficult test.  It doesn't take a very critical eye to watch this and see that the test was engineered to result in failure. 

- The dummy was dressed in neutral colors and earth tones to blend in with the background vehicle and background vegetation and wall. 

- The dummy remained stationary until very late in the test.

- The dummy was accelerated to a near instantaneous running speed at the last possible moment.

These conditions would be difficult for an unsuspecting human driver.

 

O'Dowd is a disingenuous and untrustworthy Tesla FSD critic.  He is a competitor, and he is not above manipulating and falsifying experiments to show the results that support his arguments. Previous videos from O'Dowd have showed a warning on the Tesla screen indicating that the accelerator is being pressed by the human operator to override FSD's automated actions.  O'Dowd has passed these off as FSD failures when the failure is actually due to the overriding actions by the human operator. 

This particular video has a warning on the screen that appears to be unrelated to FSD, but if multiple warnings are active, you can cycle through them to see the one you want.  There is something weird happening in this test.  In the first three tests, you can see the vehicle start to decelerate as it approaches the crosswalk and sees something, but it doesn't stop.  That leads me to believe that O'Dowd and his team are gaming the warning displays and actually slightly pressing the accelerator during these tests, effectively overriding FSD's automated actions.  I would like to see this test completed on a vehicle with no visible warnings on the screen.    

I would also like to see videos from O'Dowd with the technology he supports passing this same test.

You make people who blame rape victims look sane. lol 

[Clintonaldo 2576]

The kid shouldn’t have dressed so slutty if he didn’t want to be mowed down  

[MrBig 5428]

4 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

That leads me to believe that O'Dowd and his team are gaming the warning displays and actually slightly pressing the accelerator during these tests, effectively overriding FSD's automated actions. 

You can literally see the accelerator on the floor being untouched during each crosswalk test.

[Pato del Muerto 52568]

You guys are worried about those trucks getting rained on?  In Austin, Texas?

[Guadaloopy 11012]

6 minutes ago, MrBig said:

You can literally see the accelerator on the floor being untouched during each crosswalk test.

You are correct.   I did not notice that before.  Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Pato del Muerto 52568]

5 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

That leads me to believe that O'Dowd and his team are gaming the warning displays and actually slightly pressing the accelerator during these tests, effectively overriding FSD's automated actions. 

So a vehicle that can see a child in the road is not empowered to stop itself, and if it tries but gets any driver input it just says ok yolo?

and an extension- a vehicle that is capable of seeing such things and reacting to them, is that capability only utilized in auto driver mode and not as a failsafe of poor driving?  

[Guadaloopy 11012]

18 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

Art Briles thinks that if the kid didn't want to get hit by a car, he shouldn't have dressed like that. 

 

18 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

You make people who blame rape victims look sane. lol 

 

17 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

The kid shouldn’t have dressed so slutty if he didn’t want to be mowed down  

Except that isn’t at all what I said.   I said that it was part of the test design intended to produce a specific result. 

[Captainant 27726]

1 hour ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

You'd bet 50/50 that your average human driver would mow down 4 out of 4 kids inching on the edge of a crosswalk who happened to dash across?? No fucking way. Most drivers would have stopped. The kid didn't dash out from behind a car, it was standing at the edge of the crosswalk. I'd bet that 75% of drivers playing on their phones would have taken caution 

In Houston, yeah I'd prolly put it below 50/50 lol

[Guadaloopy 11012]

10 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

So a vehicle that can see a child in the road is not empowered to stop itself, and if it tries but gets any driver input it just says ok yolo?

and an extension- a vehicle that is capable of seeing such things and reacting to them, is that capability only utilized in auto driver mode and not as a failsafe of poor driving?  

You can’t have it both ways yet.   If you want a level 2 system with human supervision, the human has to have the ultimate override.  
 

EAB systems in all auto manufacturers can be overridden by pressing the accelerator.  

[SydneyCarton 48150]

50 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

Art Briles thinks that if the kid didn't want to get hit by a car, he shouldn't have dressed like that. 

Why was he trying to get to school? Those are some bad roads. 

[HenryJames 66160]

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/hyundai-pauses-x-ads-nazi-content-platform-rcna148414

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

For his next act, he will wrap himself up in a flag:

Holy shit, it’s April of 2024 and none of his lackeys have bothered to explain the First Amendment to him.

Somebody should ask him about censorship on China, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc. 

[Captainant 27726]

1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

You can’t have it both ways yet.   If you want a level 2 system with human supervision, the human has to have the ultimate override.  

Level 2 is human supervised by SAE definition

[royiv 9339]

1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

You are correct.   I did not notice that before.  Thanks for pointing it out.

 

 

1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

 

 

Except that isn’t at all what I said.   I said that it was part of the test design intended to produce a specific result. 

You said that the driver was pressing the accelerator and then you got pantsed. Dude, take the L. 

[Guadaloopy 11012]

30 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Level 2 is human supervised by SAE definition

Read the comment I was responding to.  Pato was calling out a Level 2 system for behaving exactly like a Level 2 system is designed to behave.     

[hayden_horn 11365]

lol at going max ac for a goddamn carwash

[Francisco 2.0 32416]

9 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

lol at going max ac for a goddamn carwash

 

Well, your warranty will be voided otherwise.  Moose out front should have told you.

[Guadaloopy 11012]

28 minutes ago, royiv said:

 

You said that the driver was pressing the accelerator and then you got pantsed. Dude, take the L. 

Pantsed?   MrBig pointed out information that I had not noticed.   I acknowledged it and I thanked him for it.    

It would be a better world if we could all admit that none of us always has the whole picture.  

I admit that I am biased based on what I experience consistently while using Tesla’s FSD system.  I’m still a bit puzzled by that video because it doesn’t match my experience observing first-hand how this system operates.  But I’m willing to admit that my experience isn’t definitive.

Clearly, the majority of folks on this thread have decided that they have the whole picture regarding Tesla’s approach to FSD and have passed final judgment.  They highlight information that supports that bias and dismiss any information that doesn’t. 

I’m willing to participate in this thread and be a bit of a punching bag because I think it’s important to share another perspective.  
 

But y’all tell me to fuck off and leave the thread, and I will.   

 

[royiv 9339]

2 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Pantsed?   MrBig pointed out information that I had not noticed.   I acknowledged it and I thanked him for it.    

It would be a better world if we could all admit that none of us always has the whole picture.  

I admit that I am biased based on what I experience consistently while using Tesla’s FSD system.  I’m still a bit puzzled by that video because it doesn’t match my experience observing first-hand how this system operates.  But I’m willing to admit that my experience isn’t definitive.

Clearly, the majority of folks on this thread have decided that they have the whole picture regarding Tesla’s approach to FSD and have passed final judgment.  They highlight information that supports that bias and dismiss any information that doesn’t. 

I’m willing to participate in this thread and be a bit of a punching bag because I think it’s important to share another perspective.  
 

But y’all tell me to fuck off and leave the thread, and I will.   

 

How many kids have run out in front of your Tesla while you’ve been beta testing FSD?

[Guadaloopy 11012]

1 minute ago, royiv said:

How many kids have run out in front of your Tesla while you’ve been beta testing FSD?

I have driven around plenty of pedestrians and watched closely how the car reacts to them while in FSD.   It’s almost maddeningly cautious.  My experience has also been that the car sees and visualizes pedestrians on the display before I even notice them.     

[royiv 9339]

3 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I have driven around plenty of pedestrians and watched closely how the car reacts to them while in FSD.   It’s almost maddeningly cautious.  My experience has also been that the car sees and visualizes pedestrians on the display before I even notice them.     

That’s skirting the question. An adult pedestrian is very different than a child that is smaller, shiftier and harder to predict than an adult. You move the goal posts a lot in your quest to stan for Tesla.

[InkaUtexas 26069]

4 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I have driven around plenty of pedestrians and watched closely how the car reacts to them while in FSD.   It’s almost maddeningly cautious.  My experience has also been that the car sees and visualizes pedestrians on the display before I even notice them.     

Stop watching porn in your car.

[MrBig 5428]

There is a bigger difference in what lidar systems can accomplish vs FSD. It is evident in this testing video that the FSD can’t see shit in the dark. Testing starts at 2:21

 

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42 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

lol at going max ac for a goddamn carwash

31 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Well, your warranty will be voided otherwise.  Moose out front should have told you.

The better/more interesting story is that he filed a ticket with Tesla to reboot it, and it took 5 hours to reboot.

Dumbass would have been better off filling his garage with rice.

At least he didn't drive to see the solar eclipse and then had to wait 4 fucking hours to recharge his car so he and his family could be on their way.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/tesla-owners-waited-hours-to-charge-cars-after-total-solar-eclipse/60448157

Or stuff like this from last year, having it get stuck doing a software update, and rebooting, etc., and having to contact Tesla to push updates to it.

This is the kind of shit I used to have to sweat when updating old servers or various Hackintosh builds.  I can't imagine it on a car that you depend up on.

[Guadaloopy 11012]

9 minutes ago, royiv said:

That’s skirting the question. An adult pedestrian is very different than a child that is smaller, shiftier and harder to predict than an adult. You move the goal posts a lot in your quest to stan for Tesla.

Not moving goalposts.  Just replying with related experience.  

I do not have the specific experience  of a child running in front of my vehicle while in FSD.  
 

I do have experience driving in my neighborhood and observing how the car sees and visualizes and behaves around the kids that play, skate, and ride bikes and scooters in the street.  

[ConferenceRoom 6145]

14 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I do not have the specific experience  of a child running in front of my vehicle while in FSD.  

 

[Guadaloopy 11012]

16 minutes ago, MrBig said:

There is a bigger difference in what lidar systems can accomplish vs FSD. It is evident in this testing video that the FSD can’t see shit in the dark. Testing starts at 2:21

 

That’s a three year old video, so it’s not an FSD Tesla in the video.  It specifically says in the video that the initial speed is driver controlled and it is relying on the Pedestrian Automated Emergency Braking System to avoid the collision.

It’s obvious that in this test, the non-production LIDAR assisted PAEB system outperformed the standard production PAEB system in older Teslas.

Since the timeframe of the test in this video, Tesla has significantly improved its low-light image processing software.  Couple that with the advances in FSD in the past three years, and I would be very interested to see a new comparison test between these technologies.

 

[totallynotabuttpirate 5403]

Finally tested FSD and holy shit I hate it. Having to pay attention and keep hands on the wheel is far more stressful than just driving yourself. FSD is useless unless the driver can fuck off while it's engaged. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13587]

Just think of it as Surprise Driving.