Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[chainsaw 9861]

19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

As someone who just made a round trip from S. Texas to Austin yesterday....I suspect a lot of people think the way you do, and they're all WAY fucking wrong.  I had to deal with driver after driver whose speed varied 10-15 mph, and it was maddening.  I just wanted to set my cruise and be done with it, but nope.

Maybe the "you can easily keep consistent SPEED" when the road is flat, but when it's rolling at all, hills of any sort, "consistent pressure on the gas pedal" doesn't come close to maintaining a set speed.  Just set the cruise control, and it will make the adjustments for you as the road elevates and drops (even slight grades influence speed).

Of course, the worst was the absolute flaming asshole in the Porsche SUV who, when we got to a stretch where there was a passing lane (so then we had two lanes on our side, the right lane for slow traffic, the left for passing), got in the left lane....and then just MATCHED the speed of the truck next to him.  They drove side-by-side almost the whole stretch, till the very end, when he finally accelerated to pass the truck....and I used the last 100 yards of lane to do the same.  Fucking asshole.

your first mistake was traveling to south texas without a private jet

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13578]

7 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

But that's the problem with a lot of the discussion in this thread.  People continually conflate Tesla's Autopilot features with FSD.  Tesla's "Autopilot" feature is simply TACC + Lane-keeping.  Tesla's Enhanced Autopilot takes it a step further and adds in automatic lane changes based on traffic conditions and set speed.  There is a third level of Autopilot called "Navigate on Autopilot" which will navigate highway interchanges and take highway exits.  FSD (Supervised) - the current revised Tesla nomenclature - does all of the above plus navigation on city streets.

The vehicle in the article above was in "Autopilot" = TACC + Lane-keeping. 

This doesn't sound confusing.

[Hank Kingsley 20908]

 

[Ted Lange 16084]

I can't imagine a much worse job than IR Chief at Tesla for the last 2 years.   

[Covri 6246]

2 hours ago, Samson's Wig said:

Fascinating. So you're one of those guys on the freeway.  Every time I get on an open highway it's obvious most people aren't aware cruise control even exists, especially younger drivers.    It's infuriating dealing with all the chucklefucks who will drive a couple of miles per hour slower than you would like to, but only speed up after you pass them and then slow right back down after they get in front of you again.  I gues they can't handle being behind someone.  Anyone who pulls that shit should lose their highway driving privileges.  Pick a fucking speed and stick with it. 

I see this too, but it’s not young drivers, usually middle aged to olds doing the up down speed and catching up when they get passed only to slow again while I’m using my ACC to maintain same speed the whole time.

 

2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Because I know how to control a gas pedal and maintain speed? And I like to pass slow drivers. 

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Whoa there ... Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) is the greatest highway driving advancement of my lifetime.

Exactly people pedal driving are missing out on the benefits of ACC I can keep an eye on it and lane change when available to maintain speed in loose traffic, or it can slow me down in heavier traffic so someone like Hank can weave in and out causing the slow down he claims he’s avoiding. 

[Ted Lange 16084]

1 hour ago, Deej said:

It's not difficult to keep consistent pressure on the gas pedal.

It also isn't near perfect.   You know what is?   Cruise Control.  

[Captain Ron 12872]

7 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

I can't imagine a much worse job than IR Chief at Tesla for the last 2 years.   

 

Edited April 23 by Captain Ron

[Mach 1 1677]

3 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Unless you are driving during rush hour, why would you not use cruise control on the freeway?

Tesla Y owner here.  I don't use basic cruise control on it because it doesn't fucking work.

I drive alot between LA and Phoenix. Straight shot, nothing difficult.  Every time I try to use it out of the blue, going 80MPH, nothing but clear sailing, IT FUCKING SUDDENLY BRAKES, slowing the car from 80 to 40 in a couple of seconds.  As if there is some obstacle that isn't actually there.  So dangerous and disturbing I don't even use it.

I bought it 2-3 years ago for work since I put on so many miles, and before Elmo ramped us his moronic shit.  And honestly I still like it as a daily driver.  It's strangely relaxing for that, even though I still prefer CEVs.

That said, I cackle at anyone that thinks FSD will ever actually work.  That fuckstick's company can't even engineer a car with cruise control that worked for Cutlass Supremes 20-30 years ago.  

Edited April 23 by Mach 1

[Rudiger 1161]

42 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

I can't imagine a much worse job than IR Chief at Tesla for the last 2 years.   

IR chief at Twitter?

[Born to Run 6569]

Every road trip I've taken in the last 20 years I've set a cruise control for 4-7 mph over the speed limit just to keep me honest when it feels like I'm going to slow.

I will not own a vehicle without cruise control. Saved tons of road trip tickets. It's impossible to do 45 mph on Purgatory road otherwise.

[Born to Run 6569]

SIAP.  
 

AUSTIN (Austin Business Journal) — Tesla Inc.’s huge electric vehicle factory in eastern Travis County will no longer be subject to city of Austin environmental regulations after the company used a new state law to have the property removed from the city’s extraterritorial jurisdiction.

The controversial law — which some municipalities are challenging in court — took effect Sept. 1 and allows landowners on the fringes of major cities to petition for such removal, freeing them up to develop with fewer restrictions.

https://www.kxan.com/news/business/tesla-uses-new-state-law-to-sidestep-austin-regulations-at-gigafactory/
 
Sweet, imma catch yall some delicious bass from the Colorado just south of the factory.

[WBT 20561]

3 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Whoa there ... Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) is the greatest highway driving advancement of my lifetime.

I finally figured out how to turn it off and go to dumb cruise on my new 4Runner.  Gotdamn cars need to do what they're told.

Edited April 24 by WBT

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

46 minutes ago, Rudiger said:

IR chief at Twitter?

Investor Relations.

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

4 minutes ago, WBT said:

I finally figured out how to turn it off and go to dumb cruise on my new 4Runner.  Gotdamn cars need to do what they're told.

 

Back in 2021, we took a 3 week road trip to the Pacific NW.  Rented a small SUV from Avis, and they gave me a Hyundai Santa Fe.  Aside:  I hammered the shit out of the thing over the 3 weeks/5200 miles and it averaged 31 to a gallon.  

We left the house on a Sunday morning, and within 20 miles, I was so annoyed that I pulled over and figured out how to turn off the lane assist, adaptive cruse, driver "alert" settings (it suggested I pull over and rest after 10 miles for coffee) and other stuff.  Gradually, as the trip progressed, I'd add back one feature at a time.  By the end of the trip, I I had an appreciation for most everything the vehicle was wanting to do.  

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89630]

I have no doubt that Elmo believes this, and if it was true, he probably wouldn’t realize his role in it.

[HenryJames 66038]

38 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

https://www.kxan.com/news/business/tesla-uses-new-state-law-to-sidestep-austin-regulations-at-gigafactory/
 
Sweet, imma catch yall some delicious bass from the Colorado just south of the factory.

[HenryJames 66038]

[Bullneck 19073]

26 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Back in 2021, we took a 3 week road trip to the Pacific NW.  Rented a small SUV from Avis, and they gave me a Hyundai Santa Fe.  Aside:  I hammered the shit out of the thing over the 3 weeks/5200 miles and it averaged 31 to a gallon.  

We left the house on a Sunday morning, and within 20 miles, I was so annoyed that I pulled over and figured out how to turn off the lane assist, adaptive cruse, driver "alert" settings (it suggested I pull over and rest after 10 miles for coffee) and other stuff.  Gradually, as the trip progressed, I'd add back one feature at a time.  By the end of the trip, I I had an appreciation for most everything the vehicle was wanting to do.  

 

 

Swap “Miami airport” and “Key West” and that’s me. 

[Ted Lange 16084]

23 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

[Prepuce of Doom 21057]

I don't even know where cruise control is in any of my cars. Probably used it for less than 20 miles in my entire life. 

You uninvolved slugs can keep it, but using it doesn't exempt you from getting the fuck over when a faster car catches up to you. You shouldn't be cruising in the left lane anyway. 

#TeamHank

[Rudiger 1161]

44 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Investor Relations.

I get that. The comment was “I can’t imagine a much worse job than IR Chief at Tesla for the last 2 years,” and my poor attempt at humor was to suggest that IR chief at Twitter would be worse since, as a privately held company where Musk is the main owner, your job would be trying to keep him happy. 

[atomheartbevo 89630]

I thought Musk was ditching the cheaper Tesla?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/business/tesla-report-earnings-result/index.html

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Tesla reported its first quarter adjusted earnings plunged 48%, falling short of lowered Wall Street forecasts, but it assured investors that it plans to move ahead with a cheaper model due out next year. The company reported a 9% drop in total revenue, which also missed analyst estimates. And its profit margin declined by 2 percentage points.

But Tesla heartened some investors by announcing it plans to move ahead with a lower priced model, which it said will go into production in the second half of 2025.

When they say second half of 2025, they mean 2027.

[Neonmoon 38129]

Musk will say anything to pump the stock. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13578]

2 hours ago, Mach 1 said:

Tesla Y owner here.  I don't use basic cruise control on it because it doesn't fucking work.

I drive alot between LA and Phoenix. Straight shot, nothing difficult.  Every time I try to use it out of the blue, going 80MPH, nothing but clear sailing, IT FUCKING SUDDENLY BRAKES, slowing the car from 80 to 40 in a couple of seconds.  As if there is some obstacle that isn't actually there.  So dangerous and disturbing I don't even use it.

I bought it 2-3 years ago for work since I put on so many miles, and before Elmo ramped us his moronic shit.  And honestly I still like it as a dily driver.  It's strangely relaxing for that, even though I still prefer CEVs.

That said, I cackle at anyone that thinks FSD will ever actually work.  That fuckstick's company can't even engineer a car with cruise control that worked for Cutlass Supremes 20-30 years ago.  

The slam-on-the-brakes-for-no-reason thing happens almost every time at the same exit (I'm not exiting) when using ACC in my semi. 

Until Full Self Driving can be a thing where there are no controls for any occupant in the vehicle, it's not Full Self Driving. It's a computer, famous for never malfunctioning, designed by people famous for never being idiots, that will randomly take control of the vehicle you're supposed to be operating. 

[BearMace 2194]

The only thing more disingenuous than claiming that Autopilot isn't a grossly overstated name for the capability is the assholes who claim they like turn signal buttons on the wheel. 

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

6 hours ago, Mach 1 said:

cruise control that worked for Cutlass Supremes 20-30 years ago

Well that was a braided steel cable, similar to what used to connect the accelerator to the carburetor. 
 

and I wasn’t positive olds made a cutlass in your stated time window so I checked and you are good- stopped in 1997. 

[InkaUtexas 25877]

5 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Swap “Miami airport” and “Key West” and that’s me. 

4,996 in about 3 weeks in a brand new Jetta from Enterprise. Was taking my daughter to visit universities on the East Coast. Suit cases in the back seat, camping gear in the trunk. As I am about the leave the clerk says "treat her well, she is brand new to us." "Sir, " I replied, "I am going to beat the shit out of this car."

Loved driving that car for sure, no wrecks, but damn it stunk like snack food and feet when we dropped it off.

[NoName 16351]

19 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

re: second quoted post - Tesla is leapfrogging Level 3 with FSD and aiming towards Level 4 certification. 

not to be this guy but there are a LOT of people in the industry who say FSD will never get SAE Level 4 Certification, much less Level 5 with their current technological setup on the car.

these are not folks with axes to grind, they are tech folks.

[morehornsepower 887]

6 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

4,996 in about 3 weeks in a brand new Jetta from Enterprise. Was taking my daughter to visit universities on the East Coast. Suit cases in the back seat, camping gear in the trunk. As I am about the leave the clerk says "treat her well, she is brand new to us." "Sir, " I replied, "I am going to beat the shit out of this car."

Loved driving that car for sure, no wrecks, but damn it stunk like snack food and feet when we dropped it off.

A phrase I heard long back: "What 2 things can drive anywhere?  An M1 Abrams and a rental car."

[NoName 16351]

12 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I have no doubt that Elmo believes this, and if it was true, he probably wouldn’t realize his role in it.

if Elon even kind of believed any of this he would be pouring every cent he owns into SpaceX to ensure we become that multi planet species he talked about a long time ago...but instead he's out here shitposting on Twitter

Edited April 24 by NoName

[choripan 790]

5 minutes ago, NoName said:

not to be this guy but there are a LOT of people in the industry who say FSD will never get SAE Level 4 Certification, much less Level 5 with their current technological setup on the car.

these are not folks with axes to grind, they are tech folks.

This. My wife is [redacted] at [redacted], one of the leading thinktank/policy-type journals on AVs. She is also [redacted] at [redacted], one of the handful of leading test sites/fake "cities" where AVs are tested. She is an academic and not affiliated with any brand, like Tesla, MB, Ford, GM/Cruise, Google/Waymo, etc.

At least in the US, it is Google/Waymo <gap> GM/Cruise <large gap> Ford and Tesla.

The way I hear it talked about at dinner parties, mixers, etc., Tesla is not a serious contender to reach level 4, let alone level 5, and there are serious doubts that it can ever be level 3 with a camera only approach.

[Captainant 27641]

8 minutes ago, morehornsepower said:

A phrase I heard long back: "What 2 things can drive anywhere?  An M1 Abrams and a rental car."

 

[Goredho 17397]

On 4/22/2024 at 5:43 PM, BeardIP said:

Up until like 2022 it wasn't considered unethical for a Democrat to buy a Tesla. In fact they probably proudly did so until Elon went publicly off the reservation. Now, I wonder which brand/car will fill the Tesla void for those who despise Elon Musk and all he stands for.

I drive a Vulva.

[George 491]

19 minutes ago, choripan said:

This. My wife is [redacted] at [redacted], one of the leading thinktank/policy-type journals on AVs. She is also [redacted] at [redacted], one of the handful of leading test sites/fake "cities" where AVs are tested. She is an academic and not affiliated with any brand, like Tesla, MB, Ford, GM/Cruise, Google/Waymo, etc.

At least in the US, it is Google/Waymo <gap> GM/Cruise <large gap> Ford and Tesla.

The way I hear it talked about at dinner parties, mixers, etc., Tesla is not a serious contender to reach level 4, let alone level 5, and there are serious doubts that it can ever be level 3 with a camera only approach.

Yeah, but has she talked to this fanboy about his experience and how great he thinks it is? No? Didn’t think so…

[NoName 16351]

1 minute ago, choripan said:

This. My wife is [redacted] at [redacted], one of the leading thinktank/policy-type journals on AVs. She is also [redacted] at [redacted], one of the handful of leading test sites/fake "cities" where AVs are tested. She is an academic and not affiliated with any brand, like Tesla, MB, Ford, GM/Cruise, Google/Waymo, etc.

At least in the US, it is Google/Waymo <gap> GM/Cruise <large gap> Ford and Tesla.

The way I hear it talked about at dinner parties, mixers, etc., Tesla is not a serious contender to reach level 4, let alone level 5, and there are serious doubts that it can ever be level 3 with a camera only approach.

yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup

the camera only decision was one that set them on an alternative track that is absolutely not going to be successful without tremendous changes and laser focus on solving the existing issues it has. instead of doing that, over the last 2 years Elon has become Chief Twit and spent a fortune on Twitter.

i've talked about it a bunch here w/r/t Twitter and the impact his money could have had on his other businesses i think he had bank money for about 1/3d of the $44B and the other 2/3rds was from his end? \

so specifically imagine what an extra ~ $30B into Starlink would have made a huge impact - but imagine what an extra ~ $30B would have done for something like FSD. hell, imagine what an extra $1B would have done.

for a guy who says he cares about the environment, safety and becoming a multi planetary species he sure spends his money on things that do nothing towards any of that.

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the whole "in talks with a company about licensing FSD" is a joke. this should have been the goal from day 1, but they FA and now are FO

here's the top selling brands in the US (2023):

idk how many of those companies would be willing to touch FSD with a 10' pole today. especially with the fact Waymo is already out there with robotaxis in some markets and have a pretty nifty lead in the market.

we know Ford and GM are working on their own versions of the concept. there is 0 chance Toyota touches it, plus they have their own thing in the works. can't imagine Honda does either, and are working on their own Level 3 stuff. Stellantis/Chrysler has a deal with Waymo for commercial self driving so that takes out Jeep, Ram, Dodge, etc. Volvo has Polestar.

don't imagine the German companies want to touch it Tesla. BMW and MB are working on their own Level 3 stuff.

Hyundai/Kia maybe? quick look says they delayed their plans for level 3

Subaru has their own stuff they are working on, but it's more of a lane assist thing vs self driving.

Mazda maybe? they have something they are doing but i think it's more lane assist

why "settle" for TSLA and their all in move on vision if your goal is to limit downside (GO WITH EVERY SENSOR YOU CAN) and pick something stable which won't also torpedo your brand (which is not Tesla.) going all camera was a monumental mistake that screams it was made at the top and not made by the people who actually work with this technology. wonder how many high level staff they lost due to that decision.

 

[SydneyCarton 48069]

*Nevermind, Rudiger beat me to it. 

Edited April 24 by SydneyCarton

[SydneyCarton 48069]

11 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Musk will say anything to pump the stock. 

[immamac 42838]

31 minutes ago, choripan said:

This. My wife is [redacted] at [redacted], one of the leading thinktank/policy-type journals on AVs. She is also [redacted] at [redacted], one of the handful of leading test sites/fake "cities" where AVs are tested. She is an academic and not affiliated with any brand, like Tesla, MB, Ford, GM/Cruise, Google/Waymo, etc.

At least in the US, it is Google/Waymo <gap> GM/Cruise <large gap> Ford and Tesla.

The way I hear it talked about at dinner parties, mixers, etc., Tesla is not a serious contender to reach level 4, let alone level 5, and there are serious doubts that it can ever be level 3 with a camera only approach.

VW and Mercedes not being mentioned by convenience of US based is nice. They are doing really really good work. 

[Captainant 27641]

4 minutes ago, NoName said:

idk how many of those companies would be willing to touch FSD with a 10' pole today. especially with the fact Waymo is already out there with robotaxis in some markets and have a pretty nifty lead in the market

Drive between Houston and Dallas on 45 any given day and theres a good chance you'll see one of their self driving semi's that's covered in cameras and spinning lidar lenses. I feel like I've been seeing them since 2022

[choripan 790]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

VW and Mercedes not being mentioned by convenience of US based is nice. They are doing really really good work. 

I agree completely. MB getting level 3 actually on the streets and available to consumers for personal vehicles (contrasted with robo-taxis) is great work.

I limited the scope to US because it's not something I feel confident enough to speak on with authority. My understanding is that MB would be with or a tiny gap behind GM/Cruise, but I don't want to get "gotcha'd" down thread if I'm off because I overstepped my knowledge on it.

[gofuckyourself 8208]

On 4/22/2024 at 6:43 PM, BeardIP said:

Up until like 2022 it wasn't considered unethical for a Democrat to buy a Tesla. In fact they probably proudly did so until Elon went publicly off the reservation. Now, I wonder which brand/car will fill the Tesla void for those who despise Elon Musk and all he stands for.

It doesn't have the cachet of Tesla or other EVs, but it's more sustainable.

 

[HenryJames 66038]

37 minutes ago, choripan said:

This. My wife is [redacted] at [redacted], one of the leading thinktank/policy-type journals on AVs. She is also [redacted] at [redacted], one of the handful of leading test sites/fake "cities" where AVs are tested. She is an academic and not affiliated with any brand, like Tesla, MB, Ford, GM/Cruise, Google/Waymo, etc.

At least in the US, it is Google/Waymo <gap> GM/Cruise <large gap> Ford and Tesla.

The way I hear it talked about at dinner parties, mixers, etc., Tesla is not a serious contender to reach level 4, let alone level 5, and there are serious doubts that it can ever be level 3 with a camera only approach.

Pics [redacted].

[choripan 790]

14 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Pics [redacted].

Fair. Taken last summer/fall.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

1 hour ago, Goredho said:

I drive a Vulva.

...and I'm sure the response is overwhelmingly positive and, unlike the cybertruck, enthusiastic about being washed.

[Goredho 17397]

14 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

...and I'm sure the response is overwhelmingly positive and, unlike the cybertruck, enthusiastic about being washed.

Honestly, I'm still trying to figure out how to open the door and turn it on.

[BurntEyes 5960]

3 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Honestly, I'm still trying to figure out how to open the door and turn it on.

Use the handle button to unlock it. I can't otherwise help you with turning it on. I'm not familiar with your model.

[BurntEyes 5960]

35 minutes ago, choripan said:

Fair. Taken last summer/fall.

Pointy knees and I don't find racist women who wear blackface attractive at all.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

24 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Honestly, I'm still trying to figure out how to open the door and turn it on.

[Goredho 17397]

[Upgrayedd 5810]

Saw my first one in the wild yesterday.  Del Mar.